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Massive Credit Card Breach; The Biggest Jackpot Ever; Birth Control Pill & Finding Mr. Right; Birth Control Pills And Finding Mr. Right; Bin Laden Fathered Four Children On The Run; How U.N. Peace Plan Could Backfire; Abrams: Ceasefire Hurts Syrians; Escaping a Killer Tornado; Carson Daly Sorry For Homophobic Joke
Aired March 30, 2012 - 14:00 ET
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FREDRICKA WHITFIELD, CNN ANCHOR: All right, make it your habit to stick with the CNN NEWSROOM. I'm Fredricka Whitfield. Brooke Baldwin's up next.
BROOKE BALDWIN, CNN ANCHOR: Nice segue. Thanks, Fred.
Hey, everyone, I'm Brooke Baldwin. Happy Friday to you. Let's get everyone caught up on the news making this hour. "Rapid Fire." Let's roll it.
Just in. Gas prices, yep, they are staying high. In fact, we have gotten word that the president has given the green light for new punishments against Iran. We are told the White House believes there is enough oil on the world markets to insure the move will not hit Americans where it counts, at the gas pump. These new sanctions would hit banks and other financial institutions buying oil from Iran.
And the defense team for Army Sergeant Robert Bales says its facing an information blackout from the government and has had little to no access to the prosecution's evidence against Bales. You know he's the soldier accused of killing those 17 civilians in Afghanistan. And his lawyer says they haven't been able to view any of the aerial footage of Bales the night of that rampage back on March 11th, nor, he says, have they been able to interview witnesses in Kandahar, even though they say the prosecution has.
And the Mega Millions jackpot. You're all atwitter over this one. It has now soared to $640 million. Let me just say that again, $640 million. The lines now to buy a ticket for a chance at the largest jackpot ever, they are very, very long with sales tripling in some stores across the nation. The drawing is tonight. Now I have to tell you this part. The odds. The odds of winning are one in 176 million. I know. And if no one wins, the pot will grow even higher to an estimated $975 million. So, good luck.
Remember these protest? This was Wisconsin. These people were very, very angry with the governor there. Governor Scott Walker's support for a law that would trim the rights of state workers and their collective bargaining agreements. Well now Walker is facing a recall election and the state's government accountability board ordered the election to happen today. An election is scheduled to actually happen June 5th. And it is a vote we will never hear the results of. But, today, the nine Supreme Court justices hold their very first private meeting to see where each member stands on the health care law. They heard three days of oral arguments, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday of this week. Now they will decide the constitutionality of that controversial individual mandate. A final decision is expected possibly as late as the last week of June.
And police in France, they are cracking down on suspected terror networks, arresting 19 people there. And these raids here, they come one week after a violent 31-hour showdown between French officers and that gunman who claimed links to al Qaeda. His name was Mohamed Merah. He killed seven people, including schoolchildren, soldiers and a rabbi. French President Nicolas Sarkozy spoke out today about these raids.
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NICOLAS SARKOZY, PRESIDENT OF FRANCE (through translator): It's not just links to Toulouse. It's all over the country. It is in connection with a form of radical Islam.
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BALDWIN: And new details out today on Osama bin Laden's life on the run just after his 9/11 terrorist attack. And they come from the youngest of his three widows. According to her, during his nine years on the run, bin Laden lived in five different safe houses in Pakistan in that time. He fathered four children, she say. And two were born in government hospitals. Bin Laden was killed during that Navy SEAL raid, SEAL Team 6, on his compound in May of last year.
And just in to CNN. World of a massive breach involving credit cards. Want to go straight to Alison Kosik live in New York.
Alison, what's the story?
ALISON KOSIK, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, we're getting the details right now. The information is actually a little bit short on details, but what we have learned is that a payment processing firm that actually processes the payments that you make on your credit cards may have been subject of a data breach. And we're not exactly sure which one was breached, but we are hearing it could be one called Global Payments. We did watch their stock fall 9 percent. Its shares were halted. Now its shares are trading again.
What Visa and MasterCard are saying is that possibly this could have compromised credit and debit card information on major credit card brands. So not just MasterCard or Visa, but it could be other credit cards as well. As well as -- as well as we don't know how many people are affected. But one thing Visa and MasterCard did say is that they're reaching out to credit card issuers. That includes banks, that could include department stores, and alerting them to this possible breach.
Brooke. BALDWIN: OK. I know you don't have a ton of information, Alison Kosik. Let us know. Of course the big question is, how can people know if, in fact, their information was breached. Maybe we'll talk about that a little later in the next two hours.
KOSIK: OK.
BALDWIN: Alison, thank you.
Meantime, got a lot for you here on this Friday in the next two hours, including this.
It's got everyone talking. What would you do with a $600 million jackpot. I'm going to talk to a mathematician and we'll ask him, are your dreams of winning realistic? I'm Brooke Baldwin. The news is now.
Carson Daly under fire for a homophobic JetBlue joke. Now the mom of a gay hero on board Flight 93 is furious. And she joins me live.
Ceasefire in Syria? Really? You're about to hear why this deal may be a perfect storm for the government to keep slaughtering its own people.
Plus, police say a group of neo-Nazis beat a guy for an hour and burned swastikas in his skin. But prosecutors suddenly changed their minds about the charges.
And I'll as a sexpert, yes, you heard me, a sexpert about whether taking the pill impacts who women find attractive.
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BALDWIN: OK, let's talk lottery. And these are pictures as one after another buying -- you know, hoping, dreaming, hoping to become, you know a big winner against these sort of astronomical, ridiculously bad odds -- and we're going to get to that in a minute -- to win this massive jackpot here. The Mega Millions jackpot, it is now at $640 million. It is the largest ever in the world. And since everyone is now focused on this numbers game, we're going to consult a numbers expert, because I wanted to talk math today.
Aaron Abrams from Emory University, who has a doctorate in mathematics.
Welcome.
AARON ABRAMS, MATHEMATICIAN, EMORY UNIVERSITY: Thank you.
BALDWIN: OK. So, dare I ask, as we talk about the odds, show me. Let's do a little math live on CNN.
ABRAMS: OK.
BALDWIN: Grab the -- let's do black.
ABRAMS: So the number of tickets, the number of different tickets that are possible for the lottery tonight, it's the same as for any Mega Millions drawing any night.
BALDWIN: OK.
ABRAMS: It's just that the jackpot is extra large tonight. Here's the -- a formula for the number.
BALDWIN: And for all you math nerds, because I was wondering this myself, this is a factorial equation. Right, so starting at 56 down.
ABRAMS: That's right. And there's a 46 at the end, which is for the mega ball.
BALDWIN: That's the mega ball.
ABRAMS: That's right. So this tells you how many tickets there are with -- for the first five numbers and this is the last number.
BALDWIN: OK. What's the answer.
ABRAMS: And the answer is very large.
BALDWIN: Consult your -- very large. So we need to consult --
ABRAMS: The answer is 175,711,536.
BALDWIN: So this is the number. These are your odds. So one in this number --
ABRAMS: That's right.
BALDWIN: The odds of winning.
ABRAMS: That's correct.
BALDWIN: OK.
ABRAMS: That's about how many blades of grass there are on a football field, by the way.
BALDWIN: So what are you telling me, you're not playing the lottery since you know the numbers very well. You laugh at us who play?
ABRAMS: Well, I probably won't play.
BALDWIN: What about -- what about the odds of having multiple winners now that the jackpot is so high? Does that increase the odds as well?
ABRAMS: That is an interesting question. Well, yes, certainly it does. Because there are so many tickets sold for this particular drawing, that makes it much more likely that there will be multiple winners. So if you do win the jackpot --
BALDWIN: You're going to have to share.
ABRAMS: You're very likely to have to share the jackpot.
BALDWIN: What about just today. So my team, we just put in some money. So a lot of people are doing the office pool think versus a single ticket. That has to increase your odds as well, correct?
ABRAMS: It's true. If you buy more tickets, your odds increase, yes.
BALDWIN: OK.
ABRAMS: Of course, you could buy one of every ticket, you could buy 175 -- you could buy that many tickets, all the different tickets --
BALDWIN: Uh-huh.
ABRAMS: You'd be guaranteed to win. But, of course --
BALDWIN: But there's a but.
ABRAMS: Well, for -- there's a couple buts. That's not so easy to do. The lottery won't let you do that. But second of all, if it were easy to do, someone else would do it too and then you'd' be sharing it with them.
BALDWIN: What about -- and maybe you're going to laugh, but you know how people talk about hot stores. Like, oh, this store is extra lucky or someone's won there before. Is that a factor at all or is that just nonsense?
ABRAMS: My guess is that that's completely random.
BALDWIN: Totally random.
ABRAMS: Yes, as far as I know.
BALDWIN: What about -- what about numbers? You know how some people go with their birth date or their age. Are there certain numbers, certain, I don't know, unusual number, odd versus even --
ABRAMS: Right, well there's --
BALDWIN: Does that make it better for you?
ABRAMS: The numbers that are chosen, if they're chosen randomly, as they should be, all of these numbers have the same odds. However, you can increase your odds of being -- if you do win, you can increase your odds of being the only one who wins.
BALDWIN: And do tell.
ABRAMS: The way you can do that is, as you say, there are a lot of popular numbers. People like to choose birth dates and favorite numbers and things like this. And so there are more common ticket -- it's more common to have tickets with lower numbers, because birthdays, for example, are never more than 31. No one's born on the 32nd of the month.
BALDWIN: So you're saying pick a higher number?
ABRAMS: So if you pick higher numbers, those are likely to be less common numbers. And it's not going to increase your odds of winning. But if you do win, it will increase your odds of being the only one who wins.
BALDWIN: What about the obvious patterns? If somebody isn't very creative and goes in and says, one, two, three, four, five, six or two, four, six, eight, 10, 12, does that matter?
ABRAMS: Those tickets -- again, those tickets have exactly the same odds as any other ticket, but it may be that if a lot of people do that and you bought that ticket you won, you would have to share it with a lot of people. So it's probability best to avoid patterns, too.
BALDWIN: OK. OK. Final question, as we're talking about the mega, mega jackpot, which, by the way, would potentially be in the 900 something million dollar range if nobody wins tonight.
ABRAMS: If nobody wins tonight, which is unlikely at this point.
BALDWIN: Which is unlikely. So you think we're going to have a winner at least tonight?
ABRAMS: There's only about a 5 percent chance that nobody will win the jackpot tonight.
BALDWIN: OK. But what about the odds that this is simply the largest in the world? That has to be crazy odds too.
ABRAMS: Well, it is the largest in the world.
BALDWIN: So the odds of that happening?
ABRAMS: Well, it's -- the odds of it getting -- the jackpot getting this large, it should happen about once every 200 years.
BALDWIN: So we're making history.
ABRAMS: So we're making history.
BALDWIN: And hopefully making a little money as well.
ABRAMS: We'll see.
BALDWIN: Thank you very much.
ABRAMS: Thank you.
BALDWIN: Hopefully some people took some tips away from this math lesson. I don't like that number one bit, but I still played, thank you very much.
By the way, so we did all the numbers here. And now I want you to stay with us because next hour we're going to talk lottery law. So basically what you need to know if you're plunking down numbers in your office lottery pool, as I mentioned my team did today, so you don't wind up in a lawsuit if you are a lucky winner. That's coming up next hour.
Meantime, I know you have heard from Trayvon Martin's family, you've heard from police now, but there's only one person alive who knows what really happened the night Trayvon Martin was shot and killed. And that man is George Zimmerman. And his brother speaks exclusively to us here at CNN. But it's not only what he said, it's how he said it. You're going to hear straight from him, next.
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BALDWIN: The man who admits shooting Trayvon Martin still is not talking, but his family is. George Zimmerman's brother backed up his story on CNN's "Piers Morgan Tonight." Zimmerman got suspicious and followed Martin when he saw the 17-year-old walking in his neighborhood. What happened between them isn't clear, but Martin was killed by a gunshot. He was carrying ice tea and Skittles on him, but no gun. Zimmerman's brother says he was only defending himself when Martin attacked.
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ROBERT ZIMMERMAN JR., GEORGE ZIMMERMAN'S BROTHER: And what Trayvon said was either to the effect of, I believe this is going to be easy, you die tonight or you have a piece you die tonight. And then attempted to disarm him. So when you say, have a bag of Skittles and an ice tea, nobody just stood there with a bag of Skittles and an ice tea. You return force with force when somebody assaults you. George was out of breath, he was barely conscious. His last thing he remembers doing was moving his head from the concrete to the grass so that if he was banged one more time he wouldn't be, you know, wearing diapers for the rest of his life and being spoon-fed by his brother. And there would have been George dead had he not acted decisively and instantaneously.
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BALDWIN: Now an eyewitness told a slightly different story in an exclusive interview with CNN'S Anderson Cooper. And that person didn't at all remember seeing the struggle happen on the concrete. Take a listen.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE (via telephone): Two men on the grass, one on top of each other. I thought I saw like -- I couldn't see a lot of movement. It was very dark. But I felt like they were scuffling. And then I heard the gunshot, which to me were more like pops than they were like a bang.
ANDERSON COOPER, CNN: You say gunshots, plural. Was there more than one to your memory or was there just one? UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Well, the sound that I had from where I was walking, it was more like a pop. And it definitely was more than one pop noise. So I don't know if it was an echo or anything else. But it definitely made more than one pop.
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BALDWIN: Zimmerman hasn't been arrested or charged with anything, but he is in hiding right now and his brother spoke about his state of mind to Piers Morgan.
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ZIMMERMAN: He has very severe emotional injuries. He has very -- he's been diagnosed with post traumatic stress disorder. He was not right from the moment it happened. He didn't call his family and express anything but, you know, sadness. There was just a darkness. He had changed. He wasn't the same. He would never be the same. He was very disappointed that none of the neighbors had come out and helped. That the whole situation potentially could have been avoided by just someone coming out and saying, hey, what's going on out there?
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BALDWIN: When Piers asked Zimmerman's brother what he would say to Trayvon Martin's family, this was his response.
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ZIMMERMAN: Well, to his mother, you know, personally, myself, I can't speak for George, this is a tragedy her son was lost. I feel very badly about that. And I want, in the end, not for her son's memory to be seen as how we degraded our system and turned into mob rule and went into a hate speech, you know, carnival of hatred and let's go get him and tweeting addresses.
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BALDWIN: Tweeting addresses. He just mentioned that. That is becoming a serious issue in this whole Trayvon Martin case. Director Spike Lee will have to pay up for retweeting an address he thought was George Zimmerman's. It turns out it belonged to an unrelated Florida couple in their 70s, Elaine and David McClain. Lee has reached a settlement with the McClains. The terms have not been disclosed. The McClains say the harassment forced them to leave their home, get out of there. Lee did offer to cover their hotel costs and the McClains say they are not out to profit from this, but they do think it was a thoughtless act.
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ELAINE MCCLAIN, ADDRESS GIVEN OUT BY SPIKE LEE: Well, of course we accept it. Its -- I just don't think he understands the fear for us and our families have for us and having to leave our home. I just wonder how it would be for him if he was afraid to go home. I don't think he ever thought about the ramifications of what he did. (END VIDEO CLIP)
BALDWIN: Elaine McClain has a son from a previous marriage whose name is William George Zimmerman. He used to live at their address, which is probably where that confusion comes from.
And another reminder for you. Tonight, 8:00 Eastern, we hope you watch CNN for this special town hall hosted by Soledad O'Brien. She will examine the racial tension in our country right now and how this neighborhood tragedy has become a nationwide story.
But here, coming up next, ladies on birth control and guys who share a bed with them, this is for you. There is a chance that your whole sex life could change when she stops taking the pill. Yep. I'm talking science behind the laws of attraction, next.
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BALDWIN: That tiny little pill so many women take each morning is making news today. Yep, I'm talking birth control. And, no, this time it's not about politics. What we have here is a medical study, it's out of Scotland, so here's the basic premise. Taking hormone changing birth control pills determine if a woman sees a man as Mr. Right or Mr. Wrong. And here's the clincher. She goes off the pill, the person who was hot can suddenly become not hot.
The study got us wondering, though, to what degree birth control pills might alter who a woman finds attractive. So we asked clinical psychologist and certified sex therapist Judy Kuriansky to join me and help us understand I guess what exactly is at play here.
So, Judy, welcome.
And, first off, let me just say, if a woman is on -- is taking this birth control pill, or maybe some other kind of hormone emitting contraception, how does that impact who she sees as attractive? What kind of man does she tend to like?
JUDY KURIANSKY, CERTIFIED SEX THERAPIST: Well, the whole idea here really is, Brooke, that the pill changes your hormones, OK? So if you're going to have a higher level of hormones, or lower level of hormones, that's going to change how you see guys. But I'm going to caution women that they don't go rush to their gynecologist and say, I want to go off the pill because if I stay on the pill then I will be less sexually attracted to my husband after a period of time. They're going to get all confused about it. And that will end up really, I think, creating lots of habits. So be very --
BALDWIN: And people sitting on your sofa saying, well, what do I do and, sorry, honey, I'm blaming the pill. But let me -- let's go back because --
KURIANSKY: Right. Exactly, they're blaming the pill.
BALDWIN: If you're on the pill, what does that do to your hormones? Thus, what does that do to who you find attractive? KURIANSKY: Well, it depends on what your hormones actually are, which pill you're taking, because there are so many of them, OK. So the idea is being on the pill, maybe women have higher estrogen, maybe they have a tiny bit. Sometimes they're getting testosterone in it. That makes them more assertive, more aggressive. Maybe some men would say more of that b word and therefore they might be attracted to men who are not as alpha males. So that's how some of the thinking goes. And saying the opposite may be true, as the researchers said, that you'll be attracted to more dads rather than the cads, the guys who stray.
But I really worry because then women will say, well, you know, if I'm on the pill and I'm less attracted sexually to my husband after a while, because that's some of the fear, then does that mean being on the pill I'm going to have more affairs? This is how the thinking goes.
BALDWIN: So are you saying -- are you saying -- hang on, hang on, I'm trying to follow you. So are you saying, if you get off the pill, your testosterone levels go up, meaning you want to find someone who, goodness, you want to find somebody that makes you happy?
KURIANSKY: Now you see how it gets all -- well, there's not always testosterone in it, but the idea is being that the -- the study was suggesting that if you're on the pill, then you're going to be attracted to men who are less of an alpha man because you're more of the alpha woman. You're more assertive and aggressive.
BALDWIN: Got it.
KURIANSKY: But your relationship may last longer even though your sex drive goes away. As a sex therapist, I worry about that, because that's making a connection between being on the pill and sex and not -- and being off the pill and your sex drive, you know, changing.
So here's the idea, though.
BALDWIN: OK.
KURIANSKY: Women who have more -- this is why you should go to your gynecologist and test your hormone levels. This is my advice about it. Because if you have certain hormones called -- the oxytocin, it's called the cuddle chemical, that makes you want to nurture, bond. That's what women have more of.
BALDWIN: It makes you cuddly?
KURIANSKY: Yes. And want to cuddle with your guy and therefore choose a guy who wants to cuddle more. And this is the chemical that women have when they have babies. So, bottom line, with all of that is, be very careful in interpreting this, not to say that you're on the pill, you're going to have more affair. You're off the pill, you're going to --
BALDWIN: No, I know, and I understand, but, Judy, let me just jump in because -- and this is my final question to you is this is what got some guys I think in our morning meeting a little --
KURIANSKY: Yes.
BALDWIN: A little, you know, blushing.
KURIANSKY: Worried.
BALDWIN: Blushing. Because the question a lot of us ladies have is, what if, you know, you marry a guy while you're on the pill, you decide to have kids, you go off the pill, if the study's findings are correct, are you not as attracted to your guy anymore?
KURIANSKY: Well, that's what this study is suggesting. This is what makes me worried. So I've got two suggestions from that. You get your hormones tested, number one. Number two, you think about alternative contraceptive if that's the case. Number three, you talk about the fact that there's an intervening variable there. After a long-term relationship, people's sex drive normally ends up going down a lot because they're not as attracted to their mate. So get counseling to make sure that it's not due to just your contraceptive pill --
BALDWIN: OK.
KURIANSKY: But the fact that you really need to have better sex.
BALDWIN: Bottom line, get your hormone levels tested and talk about it with your significant other.
KURIANSKY: Right. And find out the ways that you're going to enjoy your sex life together, other than what your contraceptive is. You can make up for that by how you touch, love, and do all those other sexy things.
BALDWIN: Uh-huh, Judy Kuriansky, we're going to leave it there. Thank you so much.
Meantime, a former Marine gets veterans to take on a new mission, disaster relief. Here is this CNN Hero.
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JAKE WOOD, COMMUNITY CRUSADER: In the military, everyone is taught how to lead, they're taught how to follow and how to solve problems. We pride ourselves on being ready, willing to go anywhere.
I serve in the Marine Corps and deployed to Afghanistan. When I first saw the earthquake that hit Haiti, a lot of the images felt like I've seen them before driving through the streets of Fallujah or Afghanistan. I realized I could actually help out.
So I went on Facebook, I said I'm going to Haiti, who's in? In 72 hours after that, we were we were on our way to Port-Au-Prince. We got to work setting up a triage clinic. We realized veterans are really useful in these types of situations.
I'm Jake Wood and I want to help veterans transition into civil life and help others in need. It started as a disaster leaf organization and then we realized that we can help the veteran community as well.
We bring these veterans together to bring a part of a team once again. They're almost recharged.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You get out, you get that feeling of what are you really doing? It's important in the world. Team Rubicon provided a great opportunity to help people in need.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Put your foot back as far as you can.
WOOD: Most of the work with we do internationally is emergency medical triage clinics. We've gone to Chile, Sudan, and Pakistan. Here in home, we've been in Tuscaloosa, Joplin, doing debris clearing operations, search and rescue.
We have about 1,400 volunteers and about 80 percent of them are military veterans helping other people is part of the healing process.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I can't thank you all enough.
WOOD: There's really no limit to what veterans can do. We have the ability to help and want to serve. I think it's a win-win situation.
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BALDWIN: I want you to remember "CNN Heroes" are all chosen from people like you. So if you do know someone making a difference, we want you to go to cnnheroes.com. Do you know someone who is making a big difference in the lives of others?
Again, let me tell you, cnnheroes.com. Your words might change the life of someone working every day to help others. Nominate a 2012 CNN HERO today.
And now, he was the world's most wanted terrorist. Now 10 months after Osama Bin Laden's death, one of his widows is speaking out about how long the al Qaeda leard was out on the run and how many children he fathered after 9/11. That's next.
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BALDWIN: Turns out life on the run must not have been so hard for Osama Bin Laden. The slain al Qaeda leader found the time to father four children after 9/11.
And we're learning all of these from an interrogation with one of Bin Laden's widows conducted by Pakistani police. I want to bring in Brian Todd who I know has been looking into these documents from that.
I know some of the surprising details are coming out, but so we're clear, though, Brian, which one of these three widows are we talking about?
BRIAN TODD, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Brooke, this is Amal Ahmed Abdul Fatah. She was born in Yemen. She's about 30 years old now and is the youngest of Bin Laden's wives. A passport photo of hers was discovered by Navy SEALs during that raid last year that killed Bin Laden.
She was the wife who was shot in the leg when the SEALs burst into Bin Laden's bedroom according to various accounts. This information from her comes from a Pakistani police document that we've obtained.
A document on her interrogation conducted in January. According to the Pakistani newspaper, "Dawn," the other two wives who lived with Bin Laden along with their children have refused to cooperate with investigators -- Brooke.
BALDWIN: So one of many questions about sort of his history is how long he was hiding out in Pakistan. What did she tell interrogators?
TODD: This is where it really gets interesting, Brooke. According to Ms. Fatah, they were moving around only in Pakistan for all nine and a half years after 9/11, staying in no fewer than six safehouses or apartments.
I've spoken with terrorism analysts today who say it's hard to believe that someone of some authority in Pakistan, not necessarily top government official, but at least people with resources didn't know about their movements. We've tried to get response from Pakistani authorities to this. We've not heard back.
BALDWIN: What about, Brian, what about his children? He reportedly fathered four since being on the run after 9/11. Where were they born?
TODD: That's right. According to this document, Ms. Fatah had four children with him while they were on the run, two boys, two girls. What's interesting here according to this interrogation report, one daughter and one son born in 2003 and 2004 were born in a government hospital in town of Haripur in Pakistan.
She says that she stayed in the hospital for only about two or three hours on each occasion of their births. "The New York Times" cites another document saying that she gave a fake identity to the hospital staff.
Again, we've tried to get Pakistani officials to answer questions on all this. What kind of government hospital was this? Did anyone in authority know anything about this? We have not heard back on that. But at least two out of those four children, born while they were on the run, born in a Pakistani government hospital.
BALDWIN: Right, and what did Pakistan know about this all this time? Brian Todd, thank you so much for us in Washington.
Meantime, they're calling it a ceasefire. This apparent deal in Syria could actually mean the regime can keep killing its own people.
Plus, we have some shocking new video showing what appear to be Syrian soldiers shooting a corpse. This is the closest we've gotten to seeing some of these soldiers of Bashar Al Assad's regime.
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BALDWIN: Shocking new video out of Syria. Syrian soldiers mock and brutalized a body. As always we just have to warn you that what you're about to see is very graphic, but it's important to show to tell the story.
As you can see, Syrian soldiers here believed to be posing over the body of one of their victims. What they're doing is they're cursing him, they're calling him a terrorist and in some of the frames here, if the camera goes back up, they're smiling.
And later, they shoot his already dead corpse. We don't know who he was. A protester, an innocent bystander, and we probably never will. Since Syria's government severely limits us from entering the country to report the truth.
Activists say Syrian forces like this are responsible for 10,000 death deaths, men, women and children. We've shown you a lot of videos of the Syrian government slaughter, but there is a very rare up close look at some faces of Syria's forces.
This man here on the ground, he was already dead and it's hard to call this anything other than sheer, pointless brutality. You're going to hear a woman scream as people run from shelling in the city of Homs.
All of this even though Syria's President Assad agreed to a ceasefire peace plan this week, his forces have killed 42 people today alone. That's according to activists. It would seem this U.N.-backed peace plan is a good thing, right?
Well, I might be wrong because this plan could be the perfect storm for Assad to continue his slaughter of thousands. I want to bring in Elliott Abrams. He is a former deputy national security adviser.
Mr. Abrams, my welcome to you. I know you recently wrote this blog and I want to quote you here that this plan, quote, "Guarantees months of diplomatic wrangling while Assad methodically murders his way to victory."
You go on, "The death toll may double or triple, but there will be endless meetings in nice hotels in Europe and the Middle East. Are you saying Mr. Annan's plan is just sort of making matters worse here and how so? ELLIOTT ABRAMS, FORMER DEPUTY NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISER: Well, Brooke, I think in a sense you've shown the problem. Assad says, yes, I'm for peace and then look what happens, more killings day after day.
I'm sure that Kofi Annan is trying for peace. But what he has proposed is a plan that leads Assad in place, keeps the violence going and meanwhile, we'll negotiate. The problem is that because there's a peace plan, we're not doing the additional things we really need to do to help the opposition.
BALDWIN: Well, let's talk about the we. Let's talk about the world and part of that is the timing, right? You look at Washington. This is an election year. You write that the White House was, quote, "Abandoning efforts to end the Assad regime.
Does this particular peace plan and as you say, Kofi Annan, he wants the peace, but does it let countries off the hook by sort of taking some of the pressure off?
ABRAMS: That's what I think. I think that what it does is it allows people to say Kofi Annan is in charge of this. The U.N. is in charge of this. We don't have to get involved.
But we do need to get involved if we're going to stop Assad from keeping this killing machine going. We should in my opinion be helping the opposition, helping the Syrian people with at least nonlethal aid, communications and uniforms things like that, which the British have now said they'll be doing a little bit of.
I think without that help, what's going to happen is the only piece you're going to get in Syria is the piece of the grave. Assad will just keep killing until he can crush this. We need to do better than that.
We need to do a better than having Kofi Annan go over and just speak in a friendly manner to everyone including the people in that regimes who are doing these killings. That's not going to solve it.
BALDWIN: We've seen many times before, you know, when it comes to President Assad, there are words and there are actions. Is he just -- do you see this as him following in his father's footsteps? We know what happened in Hama.
ABRAMS: I do. I think in fact, we've given him a kind of lifeline here. We were about a month ago, we, the United States, the U.N., the Arab league were saying Assad has to go. We were getting serious, we were getting tough.
But shoving Kofi Annan in the middle of this to say now everyone just come to the table and talk I think is exactly the wrong thing to do because Kofi is just against violence. That's fine, but the violence is on the part of the regime -- defenseless population there.
BALDWIN: So then what's the right thing to do? What is the solution? ABRAMS: Well, in my view, this regime does have to go. The president has said that and I think he was right. I think we start with nonlethal aid to the opposition to get to know them better.
And then I think we're going to have to move to lethal aid to let them defend themselves. It is a civil war already. The question is, does Assad win or the people of Syria win? And we ought to be helping them.
BALDWIN: Elliott Abrams, thank you.
ABRAMS: Thank you.
Coming up, the mother of a 9/11 victim is livid at Carson Daly. She's going to tell me why live.
Plus this -- look at this powerful tornado racing towards a school bus. Find out what happened to the 11 kids onboard. That's next.
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BALDWIN: Before we show you some of this dramatic new video we've gotten here in CNN, I want to refresh your memory. Take a look at this video. Do you remember this?
This is Henryville, Indiana. This was 28 days ago. That school bus had just been tossed about by a massive tornado. This tornado. Thirteen people lost their lives that day, but the 11 school kids on that bus survived. Here's why.
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ANGEL PERRY, SCHOOL BUS DRIVER: And I stopped the bus for a second and put my hands down and I said dear Lord, what do I do?
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BALDWIN: That is Angel Perry. She was driving the bus that day and here's where dramatic new video comes in. It comes from the bus' surveillance camera. When you watch, I want you to also listen to the sound of just the wind.
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PERRY: Eleven. Thank you so much. If anybody needs to call their parents we're going back to the school.
UNIDENTIFIED CHILD: I do. I don't know my parent's phone number.
PERRY: We'll call when we get to school.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Radio Henryville. There is a tornado on the ground.
PERRY: Tornado on the ground, guys. Quiet. The tornado is on the ground.
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BALDWIN: This is so rare we get to see video like this. So obviously you can tell the inside view of what happened to the bus. Barely moments after the driver got all those kids out of there.
And what we're also hearing today, the sound of driver Angel Perry reacting to the crisis. Obviously, this is a lesson in staying calm under the pressure.
I want to play a little bit more here. You're going to hear the drive getting those kids to safety without a second, a second to spare.
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PERRY: Everybody stay together. Our group together. Right now. Go, go, go, go, go. One, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine. Come on! Come on. 10, 11. Go, go, go, go!
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BALDWIN: Listen to that, counting them, moving them out. She's taking these kids through this crisis while she's doing her best to dodge what turned out to be an F4 tornado. Think of that as you listen to this.
You can see the debris. Angel Perry stood there and counted those 11 kids off this bus in those critical few seconds before the tornado picked up the bus, tossed the bus, swirled it up into the air before slamming it down on to the ground.
And with the release of all these pictures, it's safe to say, a lot of people will be calling Angel Perry a hero. And we do have an update on another hero from this storm. Do you remember Stephanie Decker?
Here she is. She's the Henryville mom whose story captured our attention. Now right after that tornado hit about a month ago, she lost both of her legs using her body to shield her own children from the storm. And as of this week, Decker is now out of the hospital and back home with her own family.
Carson Daly meantime, he's in some hot water for saying if a pilot freaked out on his plane, with his luck, the passengers would all be gay. He basically implies no one would fight back.
Well, one of the heroes on flight 93 was, in fact, gay. His mother has some words for Carson Daly. She is good enough to join me live next.
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BALDWIN: Carson Daly, he really stepped in it. Did you hear about this, this week? Daly is the host of the singing competition, "The Voice." He also has a radio show in Los Angeles.
So Daly was riffling on a story that broke, actually broke during our show this week. Do you remember the in flight meltdown by JetBlue pilot, Clayton Osbon.
TMZ got the audio. I want to play this for you. I want you to listen to what Daly said about the male passengers on this plane that took down, restrained that ranting pilot. Take a listen.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It turns out on this particular flight, most of the people were on their way to some sort of security conference in Las Vegas.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes. It was a group of very large men on that side.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There were a bunch of dudes and well trained dudes. What are the odds of that?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Thank God, right?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: If that were me, I mean, my luck, this would be the plane going to pride in San Francisco. That would be my colleagues. We're headed down to Vegas for the floral convention. Can we get a little help here for the pilot?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I might break my nails.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No, thank you. Handle it.
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BALDWIN: Well, Carson Daly later tweeted. I'm going to quote, "This morning on my radio show, I attempted to make fun of myself and offended others by mistake. I sincerely apologize."
But is an apology enough in this case, Alex Hogan's son was one of the heroes of Flight 93 back on 9/11/2001. Mark was gay and Alice is good enough to join me live.
Alice, give me a little context. I mean, when did you first hear about what Carson Daly said and what was your visceral reaction?
ALICE HOAGLAND, MOTHER OF MARK BINGHAM: I first heard about it day before yesterday in the afternoon late when I got a call from TMZ and a few other media people asking me to give my input on it.
So I was happy to sit down and get a little bit of feedback on Mr. Daly's -- well, his unfortunate comments. But the truth is, Carson Daly is not the enemy. And even the myriad anti-gay groups in the United States that would stifle gays at every chance and crash gay jokes at every opportunity, they're not the enemy.
And it's not fruitful to point to religious fanatics that would drop walls on gay people or hang them or shoot them. The enemy really is ignorance and the anecdote to ignorance is education.
That's why I'm so grateful to the California Senator Mark Leno who is a gay man, by the way, who has pushed through the legislature, the California education act to get rid of the ugly stereotypical attitudes.
When California students hear about Father Michael Judge and Harvey Milk and Greg Louganis and myriad other gay people who could be considered heroes --
BALDWIN: They're educated.
HOAGLAND: They won't be tempted. That's right. Our students won't be tempted to fall into this kind of gross ignorance.
BALDWIN: When you heard this, though, does it make you sad? Does it make you angry?
HOAGLAND: Both. I've been reluctant at first and now a kind of awed spokeswoman for the gay community. I used to crack those gay jokes before my son, Mark, who I love more than anything in the world mustered the courage to tell me, mom, I'm gay.
And when I heard those words I had to re-examine my whole outlook on life. I think that Carson Daly and I are on the same continuum, but maybe at different points. So we need to patient with one another.
And we need to be patient with people who hates and realize that the best antidote to hate is to look into the eyes of the men or women you hate and find something in common with them.
And if you can't find anything in common, any shred of grief or values or hopes, anything that you share with those other human beings, then you have to look harder because we all are members of the human race. We're all trying to get there and we all need to include and love one another.
BALDWIN: Let me read this. Because we do now know Carson Daly, he gave a lot longer apology after talking to GLAAD, the Gay and Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation.
So let me read this for you. He says, I'm a supporter of gay, lesbian and transgender rights and I'm saddened that my comments however unintentional offended anyone, specifically members of the LGBT community. The fact that I have hurt anyone is devastating. I'm not that guy.
Last question to you, if he was sitting next to you right now and you could look him in the eye, what would you say?
HOAGLAND: I would say Carson. I hope you take the opportunity to go to the L.A. rebellion game against San Diego Armada tomorrow in the L.A. area. Those are two members IGRAB, the International Gay Rugby Association Board. They are welcoming to people of every sexual orientation, every race and color and creed and they would welcome you and you could learn a lot. And there you would see some burley guys who would very well --
