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Mitt Romney on the Attack; U.S. Marine Killed by Police; Tornados Devastate Parts of Texas; Congress Outlaws Insider Trading for Government Officials; Law Enforcement Authorities Admit to Tracking Cellphones Without Warrants; Kids Participate in Fight Club on Video; Gunman in Oakland School Shooting to be Charged with Murder

Aired April 04, 2012 - 15:00   ET

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BROOKE BALDWIN, CNN ANCHOR: And now this. All right, hour two, I'm Brooke Baldwin.

There was a mystery I want you to hear about this. Thereon this, a sheriff's deputy shoots and kills a Marine after he gets out of his SUV, there he is, the sergeant's young daughters still in the backseat.

Now as his family is demanding answers, there's a new video, 31 minutes of surveillance video showing what happened moments before this Marine's death. We will speak live with the family's attorney about this mysterious case in California.

But first, developing this hour, Mitt Romney rips President Obama in what suddenly feels like the beginning now of the general election.

Also, the police officers convicted in shootings after Hurricane Katrina learn their fate. And a bomb surprises American soldiers. Roll it.

Let's begin "Reporter Roulette" here with a bitter face-off in the race for president.

CNN's political director, Mark Preston, joins me.

Gloves are off. Sir, hello. Let's talk first. Give me a little background of Mitt Romney's speech today.

MARK PRESTON, CNN POLITICAL DIRECTOR: Game on.

Mitt Romney before influential reporters in Washington, D.C., goes directly at President Obama, Brooke, and tries to get the media on his side, kills them with kindness and then asks for them to help them expose President Obama and his lies.

BALDWIN: Let's listen to this particular comment here. He's referring to the open mike moment that caught President Obama telling Russia's president just to give him some space until after the election in November. Roll it.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) MITT ROMNEY (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: He doesn't want to share his real plans before the election either with the public or with the press. By flexibility he means that what the American public doesn't know won't hurt him. His intent is on hiding. You and I are going to have to do the seeking.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BALDWIN: Hiding and seeking, what did I count, twice that reference in the speech?

PRESTON: Yes.

And in many ways what we saw from Mitt Romney was really trying to goad all these journalists and try to go out and look President Obama's promises and his policies and see if they match up. You know what else is interesting? I'm sure the blogosphere is going to blow up once they really dig into this.

Mitt Romney took a shot at the blogosphere and says he wishes people would go back to the old guard journalism, where people would have more than one source, there would be editors and there would be controls in journalism.

BALDWIN: Slamming the media.

PRESTON: Certainly the new media.

BALDWIN: We have heard that one before, haven't we, Mr. Preston?

PRESTON: Absolutely.

BALDWIN: Thank you so much.

Moving along here let's talk about New Orleans. Four former New Orleans police officers should find out if they will soon be spending the rest of their lives in prison for killing unarmed civilians in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina. Sentencing is currently under way.

I want to go to Jean Casarez in New York.

Jean, remind us what these officers were found guilty of.

JEAN CASAREZ, CNN CORRESPONDENT: This is in federal court so these are civil rights violations.

This all took place during the chaos of Hurricane Katrina. And there was a police radio call at the time that said officers were being shot at on a bridge in New Orleans. So officers responded to that call, but what they did was, they just took out their guns and started shooting the civilians.

There were six civilians. Two died, four were injured. But you must say maybe the cover-up was what escalated all of this. It could have been determined at that point an accidental shooting potentially. But one officer to be sentenced today actually planted a gun on one of the civilians to try to show they were shooting at them.

They fabricated evidence, they tampered with witnesses. The state charges were thrown out because of prosecutorial misconduct in and of itself. Now it's in federal court. Conviction was last year. But they're facing 35 to 65 years for one of the officers.

BALDWIN: Well, 35 to 60 years. So you mentioned the convictions since these four officers were convicted of these firearms charges, carrying mandatory minimum sentences. They could, you're saying at least one of them could get the maximum, could get life.

CASAREZ: That's right, one of them that did shoot the second individual that died. And, you know, when you're talking about federal court, you're talking about pretty firm sentences. And now in federal court there can be downward departure and that is allowed.

And part of what is important today is they're going to put on mitigating and aggravating witnesses that show why there should be the minimum allowed vs. a downward departure, so the minimum statutory years in jail. One of the officers is going to put witnesses on the stand to show how he saved lives during Katrina to try to help him today with that maximum sentencing potential.

BALDWIN: We're watching the right along with you. As we mentioned, sentencing is under way. Jean Casarez, appreciate it.

Next here on "Reporter Roulette," the Taliban claims it is behind that suicide bombing at a vegetable market in Northern Afghanistan that killed at least nine people and wounded three American troops.

I want to bring in Nick Paton Walsh in Kabul, Afghanistan.

Nick, what happened?

NICK PATON WALSH, CNN CORRESPONDENT: It appears a suicide bomber, accord to a statement from the Afghan presidential palace here, was actually using a vehicle to carry this exceptionally large charge up towards a vegetable market where we understand ISAF troops were on patrol in that particular area.

No confirmation as to nationalities, but as you say one Afghan official saying three American soldiers were taken away from the site of that explosion and wounded -- Brooke.

BALDWIN: There seems to be this uptick, this upsurge of attacks in Afghanistan. Are there concerns the Taliban right now are just getting started, as the country is heading into the spring fighting season, there could be so many more?

WALSH: The concern about this is it happened in the north and the north has traditionally not been a hotbed of insurgent violence, although recently there's been pockets of Taliban control there and concerns violence could certainly spread worsening in that direction.

You're absolutely right. There are some months ahead, traditionally fighting season. ISAF has been keen to point out the violence is on a downward trend across the country by their own measurements. But even by their own figures, they had to admit that last year the key areas of the south and the east saw a rise comparatively. And also independent observers, the United Nations and other people tallying violence here say completely disagree and say violence is on the rise.

This is a key summer, Brooke, as you well know. It's all about the withdrawal ahead in the coming months. U.S. troops starting to recover the surge they put in last year and fears as how to the country is going to look with an awful lot less Americans here about six months' time -- Brooke.

BALDWIN: Nick Paton Walsh for us in Kabul, Nick, thank you.

Next, a young Marine, veteran, a father, behind the wheel of his SUV with his girls inside, his daughters, does something strange. He goes and crashes through the gates of a school, gets out of his car, a sheriff's deputy there opens fire. Now the Marine is dead. Obviously there are all kinds of questions about this one. His family right now, they're demanding justice. You're going to hear what step they're taking next.

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BALDWIN: Now to this mystery that involves a Marine sergeant shot to death by a sheriff's deputy in California.

Here's what we know right now. The Marine, Manuel Loggins Jr., had his two daughters in the backseat of his SUV. He pulled on to the grounds of San Clemente High School, and this was early one morning. "The Los Angeles Times" is reporting a security capture at the school captured images of the SUV speeding onto school property, apparently then crashed through a gate, got out the vehicle and walked to this nearby playing field.

Early reports from Orange County news outlets are that Loggins was speaking irrationally. CNN is now in the process of getting that surveillance video for you right now so we will be able to show it to you soon, although we're told it doesn't have any audio. We do have this aerial video here of the scene and this was after the shooting. You can see the SUV, a number of patrol cars there as well.

But the circumstances are this. As I mentioned, it's a mystery right now. Loggins is dead. The deputy who shot him is back on the job. And an investigation is now under way and Loggins' widow who just gave birth to their fourth daughter is now suing the county.

Joining me now is the attorney for the Loggins family, Brian Dunn.

Mr. Dunn, we appreciate you joining me.

Let me just begin with what has Sergeant Loggins' widow told you about what he was doing there that very, very early morning at that high school?

BRIAN DUNN, ATTORNEY FOR LOGGINS FAMILY: Well, thank you for having me, Brooke. And specifically what we know is that pursuant to a ritual that the family had, they were going on a prayer walk. They were very religious. Mr. Loggins was very religious. In the early morning hours, it was his practice to go to the playing field of the San Clemente High School and walk with his daughters and meditate in a spirit of prayer. That's what they were out for and that's what they were doing this morning.

BALDWIN: So this was something fairly typical, this was typical favor of Mr. Loggins, even though it was 4:00 or 5:00 in the morning, to not only go and bring his Bible and on these prayer walks, as you mentioned, around the school track, but also to take his daughters with him?

DUNN: Absolutely. Not only was the prayer walk typical, but the time of day was typical.

This was a full-time Marine. He was on the clock. He had to be very busy. And these particular mornings, those were the times when he had a special private time with his daughters.

BALDWIN: Let me ask you about this video here from the surveillance camera, this video from the surveillance camera, we mentioned, we're getting it right now, CNN is. But from what I understand, it's 30 minutes, 31 minutes actually of tape. Have you seen this video?

DUNN: I have.

BALDWIN: And what does it show?

DUNN: Well, what we see is what appears to be a traffic accident. We see the SUV that was driven by Mr. Loggins appear to run or drive into a gate.

The severity of the accident is not clear. The extent of the property damage is not clear. I have had a chance to look at the vehicle. There is some damage to the vehicle. And following that, we see the sheriff's deputy with its lights on, not sirens, follow the police vehicle.

I think, Brooke, what's important about this video is not what it shows, but what it doesn't show. This is the case involving the death of a man. It was a man that was shot and killed in the presence of his two daughters. We know that he wasn't armed. We have no concept as to why the deputy fired.

We know the deputy was not in fear of his life. We know that no crime had been committed. And at the same time, deadly force was used, specifically force that resulted in the death of this individual. And not only was he killed in his car, but he was killed in the immediate presence of two of his daughters who were age 14 and 9.

So when we start talking about the video, what we're interested in, what the family is interested in is answers regarding why this shooting happened in the way that it did. And so far, we have seen nothing whatsoever from the Orange County Sheriff's Department that has given us any information whatsoever that would justify this.

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BALDWIN: Let me jump in, Mr. Dunn, because we, of course, doing our due diligence at CNN, we reached out to the Orange County Sheriff's Office.

Let me just read you what they gave us as a statement -- quote -- "The Orange County district attorney's office is conducting an independent investigation as per our policy to ensure clarity and transparency." They go, "Until that investigation is complete, we would not be able to comment."

In addition to that statement in that investigation here, we have also learned that this deputy, Deputy Sandberg, has won awards for his service to the department. Ironically enough, he has also served in the U.S. Marine Corps, a very, very highly trained individual.

And Mr. Loggins I know was a Marine sergeant based not too far away in Camp Pendleton. Had he ever been deployed overseas before?

DUNN: No.

BALDWIN: Never. What was his position on base?

DUNN: He had not been deployed.

DUNN: He had several positions.

One of the most -- one of the things that he spent most of his time doing was recruiting other Marines. At the time that this incident happened, he was also in nursing school and was studying to become a nurse.

BALDWIN: Can you tell me anymore about the family's situation? We mentioned that his now widow just gave birth to their fourth daughter. Was there anything out of the ordinary going on at home?

DUNN: Nothing out of the ordinary. And specifically again when we look at what happened out there that day, there was nothing that was going on that was irrational on behalf of Mr. Loggins. There was nothing that was going on that was out of the ordinary.

(CROSSTALK)

BALDWIN: Forgive me. What about the fact that he was crashing through the gate and these reports that he was acting irrationally? How does that speak to his behavior?

DUNN: Well, again, with regard to crashing through the gate, I didn't see the video that way. What I saw was at most a minor traffic accident. I don't even know if he could see the gate because of the time of day.

The concept that he was acting irrationally presupposes that he somehow intended to break the law. And we don't have any evidence of that. And if he was, the sheriff's department hasn't told us what he was doing. What was he saying that was so irrational? What was he doing that was so irrational? Why did you have to take this man's life?

(CROSSTALK)

BALDWIN: We have reached out to the sheriff's department. Hopefully, someone with the sheriff's department, the sheriff of Orange County, would love to have them on the show and answer them some of those questions.

(CROSSTALK)

DUNN: Well, I can tell you, they know the answers to those questions.

BALDWIN: Well, hopefully we can get some of those answers for the sake of your client, the widow here of this man and also on their behalf as well.

But I do have to ask here about these two daughters, these young daughters, as you point out, 9, 14 years of age. They were in the car. They witnessed this horrific incident. And I know police questioned them for multiple hours. How involved will they be, Mr. Dunn, in this case that you're building against the county right now?

DUNN: Well, they have a dual role, Brooke.

As heirs of Sergeant Loggins, they act in the capacity as plaintiffs in a wrongful death case, but what's unusual about their position here is not only were they plaintiffs, but they were also what we call percipient witnesses. In other words, they saw exactly what occurred. They were then when it happened. They perceived it happening and they remember what happened.

And I can tell you with regard to what their position is, we're not hearing anything from those girls saying their father was acting irrational. We know he wasn't armed with any kind of weapon. We're not hearing anything out of these girls that is leading us to believe that there could even be the remotest justification for the use of deadly force.

BALDWIN: How are they?

DUNN: They are going to never be the same. This incident has scarred them and has left a mark that will never be healed. They are going to have problems as a result of this deputy's misconduct for the rest of their lives.

BALDWIN: Brian Dunn, we appreciate you coming on. We're going to continue this conversation.

Again, let me reiterate, we would love to speak with someone with the Orange County Sheriff's Office.

Thank you, sir. It is a club that only allows men and despite protests, backlash and pushback over the year, the club always stuck to this rule. But there's a female CEO who creates a bit of a dilemma for this boys-only club. Veteran sports columnist Christine Brennan in studio. We will talk next.

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BALDWIN: Got some news here just into here at CNN from our affiliate in New Orleans WWL.

As we were just talking about this case out of New Orleans, sentences have now been handed down in the Danziger Bridge case.

You have Kenneth -- Faulcon sentenced to 45 years, former Sergeant Kenneth Bowen sentenced to 40 years, Robert Gisevius sentenced to 40 years, Arthur Kaufman sentenced to six years, and Anthony Villavaso sentenced to 38 years there.

That was the aftermath of shooting those four unarmed civilians just after Hurricane Katrina.

I do want to take you back to Augusta National Golf Club. The Masters starts tomorrow. And the non-announcement, we will call it that, the non-announcement today from club chairman Billy Payne. Take a listen.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

QUESTION: Mr. Chairman, you began talking about a number of the changes that happened at this course since you have been chairman. All of those changes have been well documented. One of the changes that hasn't happened to the club is the all-male membership.

I'm wondering if you ever foresee that changing and why or why not?

BILLY PAYNE, CHAIRMAN, AUGUSTA NATIONAL GOLF CLUB: Well, as has been the case, Mike, whenever they question is asked, the -- all issues of membership are now and have been historically subject to the private deliberations of the members. And that statement remains accurate and remains my statement.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BALDWIN: So there you have it, no real change here in the membership policy at Augusta National. At least none announced today here on the eve of the Masters.

Here with me now, veteran sports columnist Christine Brennan.

So nice to meet you finally in person.

CHRISTINE BRENNAN, "USA TODAY": Great to see you as well.

BALDWIN: Fellow tall female. I love it.

With regard to this non-announcement announcement, are you surprised? BRENNAN: No, I'm not, because I asked this question back in 1999 to Billy Payne's predecessor, Hootie Johnson.

And he said it's a club matter, ma'am, and all club matters are private. Followed up as journalism 101 asking questions. Again, club matter, all club matters are private. So now, what, 13 years later, it's the exact same answer.

BALDWIN: So we're talking now about president and CEO of IBM, Virginia Rometty, or Ginni.

You know her. You know her.

BRENNAN: Yes, I do.

BALDWIN: Does she even golf?

BRENNAN: She does play golf. And I only know that from reading the wire stories. They say she plays a little bit.

I know Ginni Rometty because we went to college together. She was a year ahead of me at Northwestern University and we also -- full disclosure -- we also both serve on the 73-member board of trustees of our alma mater, Northwestern. I saw her a few weeks ago. Didn't think to even ask about this. We talked a little bit.

This has certainly become a huge story after actually Bloomberg broke the story last week. And of course, just with what the Masters does not want, to have this issue, which is an Achilles' heel for them in this country in 2012, that they're excluding women members and it's coming up in this big way.

And knowing Billy Payne as I do, he was the Atlanta Olympics chief, it's known as the women's Olympics, Brooke. Billy has been all about equality in the Olympics. And to think that he's in charge of this club that still apparently, unless Ginni is a member...

BALDWIN: What do you think he's thinking?

BRENNAN: I think he's thinking he's got 300-plus members and he has to listen to a lot of them and there's old-school thinking.

One point we should make, though, is we don't know.

BALDWIN: If she's a member or not.

BRENNAN: Ginni Rometty could be a member of the club.

BALDWIN: She could have a green jacket.

BRENNAN: And the reason we're talking about this is, as is well documented, IBM, the previous CEO have been all members. And the reason for that is IBM is one of the three big sponsors of the Masters.

(CROSSTALK) BALDWIN: Thank you for pointing that out. I shouldn't assume that people knew that.

Martha Burk, you mentioned Achilles' heel, thorn in the side of Augusta National and also here of IBM. Take a listen to what she said recently.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

MARTHA BURK, FORMER CHAIR, NATIONAL COUNCIL OF WOMEN'S ORGANIZATIONS: This problem is of their own making. They have had nine years to do something about this, and so has the club.

Why are they coming up two days out from the tournament, a brand-new female CEO that has been in place since January? My goodness, don't these guys think ahead? How do they run the business?

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BALDWIN: My goodness, she says. You laugh, but is this a Martha Burk is this thing a Ginni Rometty thing right now?

BRENNAN: Well, Martha Burk read my column that I wrote back in 2002. I didn't know Martha. I wrote about the fact that it's absolutely unacceptable to discriminate against African-American men in golf, but it's still fine and accepted to discriminate against women.

I didn't know Martha. She read my column and she went ahead and did what she did, wrote a private letter to Hootie Johnson. He then made it public to make a big deal so that he could then say we will not be dragged into this at the point of a bayonet, which was an interesting choice or words.

I think Augusta wanted the fight frankly. I think Martha Burk is great. I think calling on corporations to be responsible and to look like America in 2012 is exactly what most of us believe in. And so I think it's great. But in this case, this is now not about an outsider and it's not about me asking a question or my colleagues.

To your point, it is about the fact that Ginni Rometty is one of their own. She's a CEO, the CEO of IBM. Do they want to discriminate against her?

BALDWIN: This is a mega-corporation. This woman is running it. She's the president, she's the CEO. We're talking 2012 and she's obviously gone toe to toe with women and men in business. Do you think she's sitting back listening to us and everyone else pontificating on this whole story and getting a good chuckle? If she really wanted to be a member, do you think she could be?

BRENNAN: Now, I do. They have to ask her. Again, it's possible she's been asked, it's possible she's a member. In fact, I'm anxious to get over there and see if I see her and if she's in a green jacket. We have always thought we would find out, not by an announcement. They don't care about us. They don't care about what we think, Augusta. BALDWIN: But by tossing a green jacket on someone.

BRENNAN: So that she would be walking around, and we see a woman, Condi Rice, Ginni Rometty, Annika Sorenstam, Nancy Lopez, in a green jacket. That's how they operate.

That's not saying she still won't be a member. Maybe it will take some time before she becomes a member. I don't know.

BALDWIN: We will be watching your Twitter feed @CBrennanSports to see if you're tweeting and Twitpicking a green jacket on Ginni Rometty.

So nice to meet you. Thank you so much.

(CROSSTALK)

BRENNAN: It's a pleasure. Thanks.

BALDWIN: Now this. Still ahead, to see this and hear it, a bomb kills two sports leaders and police say a woman set it off as she blended with the crowd.

Plus, as of today, sharing stock secrets in Congress is a no-no. It's no longer legal. But which lawmakers pocketed cash from insider trading, you ask? That is next.

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BALDWIN: A bomb blast rocks Somalia's national theater.

Several people in that crowd were killed, including two of the country's top sports officials. Police blame a female suicide bomber who set off the device while standing in the crowd.

Four deadly shark attacks in seven months off the south coast of Western Australian, the latest victim, a 33-year-old father of two killed Saturday while diving with his brother.

Now an intensive effort is under way to insert these little acoustic tags inside the sharks in this particular area.

The tagging teams uses long lines and bait to hook the sharks and then place the warning systems inside.

Millions of genealogy and family history buffs have overwhelmed a new website containing detailed information from the 1940 census. A national archives spokeswoman said the site had more than 22 million hits just in the first three hours on Monday. The census offered detailed information as the country was entering exiting the Great Depression and about to get into, as you know, World War II.

And pictures I want to share with your from California. Look at this crowd. These are students at Santa Monica College in California moments after being pepper sprayed by police. About 100 students were protesting tuition hikes during a board of trustees meeting. This was just last night. You see some of them wiping their eyes. And that is when the officers sprayed them. Two students had to be hospitalized. Several others suffered minor injuries as a result of that pepper spray.

Insider trading in Congress is now illegal. I know, you're asking wait, how was it legal in the first place? Alison Kosik live at the New York Stock Exchange. We know the president signed this bill into law today.

ALISON KOSIK, CNN BUSINESS CORRESPONDENT: Exactly. You asked how they got around it? Congress actually wound up falling into a gray area. So when they go ahead and put together legislation, Brooke, lawmakers and staffers are allowed to talk about pending legislation that's could impact, eight private firms on firms on Wall Street. But thanks to a loophole that was in place, this insider trading was never applied to them. This legislation the president signed today changes all of that. It makes it illegal for lawmakers, executive branch employees, people who work for them, makes it illegal for them to make trades on Wall Street based on inside information. It means everybody has to play by the same rules.

BALDWIN: Do we know how many lawmakers profited off of inside knowledge?

KOSIK: Here's what's interesting. This whole issue gained momentum after a "60 Minutes" piece last year that suggested lawmakers had made money from inside political knowledge from the financial crisis. After that authorities began looking at Alabama Congressman Spencer Baucus, and he said back in February -- he's under investigation for possible insider trading violations -- he says he will be cleared. But there's one nonprofit group, the Sunlight Foundation, that says there's plenty of abuses involving improper behavior by lawmakers that have yet to be exposed. Brooke?

BALDWIN: Alison Kosik, I remember the "60 Minutes." Thank you very much.

Still ahead, Tyler Perry says he was pulled over because he is black. Now police make an announcement about Perry's traffic stop and the officers who questioned him.

Plus, someone could be tracking your cellphone, the one you use for personal calls, personal messages. They're apparently doing it without a warrant. Wait until you hear the new evidence on this one. That's next.

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BALDWIN: Atlanta police are now investigating the traffic stop involving film and television mogul Tyler Perry. This whole thing happened last month. This was all brought to life because of this Facebook post on Sunday. Tyler Perry called this racial profiling. I want to bring in defense attorney Joey Jackson who is on the case with us today. And first, what do you think of the Atlanta police department launching this internal investigation? JOEY JACKSON, ATTORNEY: I think it's always good, Brooke, because what investigations do is thy get at the fact. And so if there's any type of claim or allegation, you want to have a full, fair, and thorough investigation. To the extent to which the police are involved, it makes sure that the investigation will leave no stone unturned. And if something was done that's amiss, then it should be addressed and corrected not only as it relates to Tyler Perry but any other motorist who might be stopped for an improper reasoning.

BALDWIN: In terms of final putting the pressure on with regards to the Atlanta police department, do you think it was the post itself or the fact that 100,000 people or so liked the post, spread the post around?

JACKSON: I think it has to be that. What happens is Facebook is a tremendous medium. Social medium, I post it now, it goes viral everywhere. Particularly when you have a celebrity involved in the mix, I think it makes it different. It elevates it and brings attention to it.

And, you know, ultimately I think good comes of this. Why? Because it now has the focus of many people, certainly the people who were carrying out an administering the laws. And therefore, as long as those laws are administered in a fair and even way for everyone, everyone is happy. That's what is hoped to get out of this. But certainly when it concerns Tyler Perry, people are going to take noticed, Brooke.

BALDWIN: When Tyler Perry says something a lot of people listen. He said this was racial profiling, which is a very serious accusation. He also in this post he talked about Trayvon Martin, also mentioned these two still-missing Florida men. How hard is it, though, to prove racial profiling?

JACKSON: Well, in this case it's somewhat difficult, and I'll tell you why. What you have sometimes are what we call pretext stops. It means you're being stopped and there's no basis for it. There's a reason invented why you're being stopped.

But in this particular instance apparently there's been some confirmation by him, at least the reports indicate, that he did make some type of illegal turn. And so when you do engage in activities where it's a violation of the law, not necessarily criminal -- sometimes we speed or go through stop signs -- then the police are within their boundaries. What's on their mind while they're doing it is always a very difficult question. That's why you look to statistical analysis to see who the people are who are being stopped and see if that supports any accusation that it's racial profiling and people being stopped should not be. So we'll see.

BALDWIN: Yes, we'll see.

But I do want to get to this other case. We have a cellphone, and my ear certainly perked when I heard about this this morning. So there's an ACLU report that says law enforcement often track people's cellphones often without a warrant. Huh? JACKSON: That's a big problem. There's a problem in general, Brooke, and here's what it is. There's an inherent intention in the law enforcement in the Fourth Amendment. Briefly stated, here's what it is -- we want police to detect and deter crime because we want to all feel safe. At the same time, we want police to leave us alone, OK? And so what law enforcement argues is that we need the tools, we need the vehicle, we need to find out who the criminals are. And what we argue is we're criminals, so leave us alone.

But as it relates to a cellphone, certainly there's a constitution in this country, things have to be done accordingly. They have to be done right. They have to be done pursuant to protocol. It just can't be because there's technology that allows you to, Brooke, be tapping into people's cellphones and tracking them all over where they go. If you want to do it, get a warrant.

BALDWIN: ACLU puts this report out there. Hundreds of agencies responded, and they acknowledged cellphones. Some made it a habit of getting warrants, others did not. So I guess the issue is, does suspicion trump privacy?

JACKSON: Well, what happens is -- here's the question. Suspicion and probable cause always trump privacy because you have to have the probable cause to detect criminal activity, right? That's what gives the police a basis to stop a person, to frisk a person, and tap into cellphones. The bigger issue is when there's no cause, no suspicion. It's just being done just because the fact that somebody may be a criminal, it might lead to something else. You have to be really careful. I know we all want to feel safe and certainly we support our law enforcement. But at the same time you can't invade and trample on people's individual liberties. There's a procedure. It needs to be followed.

BALDWIN: It should be followed. I just though, my goodness, a personal cellphone? Joey Jackson on the case. Thank you, Joey.

And this thyme yesterday, pretty much two hours, Chad Myers and I were talking about this. This whole thing was break on our watch, tornadoes rocking Texas. One woman captured the frightening moments from her home. You're going to hear from her and see this incredible before and after video next.

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BALDWIN: So many of these pictures we are getting after that tornado outbreaks are simply amazing. This is from the town of Forney. You can see the large stovepipe cloud just churning its way through this community. And what's really stunning, all the tornadoes that broke out this time yesterday, no one was killed. Let me say that again -- no one was killed.

I do want you to look and listen to this. Listen to this -- iReporter Eric Gould was onboard a plane sitting on the runway at DFW. Needless to say the flight was delayed. I'm assuming that was a lot of hail pelting that plane. Now here's another iReport.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It's huge. Pay attention. Which way is it going?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: No, stay there.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I think it's disappearing. Holy crap.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Is it coming this way?

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BALDWIN: I would be asking that, "Is it coming this way? Put down the camera and run." I talked to Kelly Carrasco. She's one of the voices you hear. We talked about what it is she saw and why she didn't run for cover.

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KELLY CARRASCO, WITNESSED TORNADO OUTBREAK: And we put the kids and the dogs in the shelter, well, in the closet. And before we knew it, I mean, our right side was completely clear. And when we went to the backyard, we could see the clouds on the right hand side, clear blue sky coming in and gathering with the dark clouds. And there was very little wind. It wasn't raining. You can see in the video. It was really clear. So we weren't sure what was happening.

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BALDWIN: She did tell me next go around, she will be get into the shelter along with her kids and not standing with the brother taking video. You and I this time yesterday watching the destruction of these twisters, and now you have pictures of the before and the after.

CHAD MYERS, AMS METEOROLOGIST: I think we were just standing there in awe. We were trying to fight for words, but we didn't need words. The video was so unbelievable.

Here's a still picture from some of the video, some of the areas we've been getting in. This is Forney, Texas, where an EF-3 hit. And that's the top of a house, it was the top of a house. If you go to Bing Maps, kind of like Google Earth, Bing Maps made by Microsoft, you can see what that house really should look like. Obviously the grass wasn't green yet in this picture. But there is the before and the after.

Here's the second one now. We'll get rid of that one. We'll take a look and spin it around. Take a look at the next graphic, the next picture. The same home that way coming through here. Here's the first home. And if you take a look. That's what that first home should actually look like, completely there. That house now completely gone.

And so when you go and take a look at what people now are picking up, the damage people are picking up, you can look right inside the house. You can see right inside the closets. You can see why you shouldn't be on the top four. The top floors are gone where the bottom floors are still there. They were survivable tornadoes. They were 125 to 150. And that will not knock a whole building away. You will be able to survive that inside your home. Even if you don't have a basement, these are all sleds, everybody survived.

BALDWIN: Thank goodness. Chad Myers, thank you.

MYERS: You're welcome.

BALDWIN: Just in to us at CNN, homes here, look at this. These are pictures, this is out of Philadelphia. In fact this is a fire that broke out about an hour ago, I'm told. This is in Radnor Township. If you know this area, this is a mansion, a massive, massive home. Look at this. Flames shooting out, plumes of black smoke. We don't know who owns the mansion. We don't know if anyone was home when this fire started. But the fire department tells CNN no injuries, no reports of any injuries. And our affiliate there WPBI reports all firefighters were ordered out of the structure so they could attack this thing from the outside. Stunning pictures, someone's mansion up in flame in the Philadelphia area.

Keeping you in the loop here -- a man accused of lining up classmates, shooting them execution style, about to make his first court appearance. We're live in Oakland, California, coming up.

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BALDWIN: A little Political Pop for you on this Wednesday. It was a normal afternoon at the White House today until a water main broke. Look at this. It happened. A contractor working on the West Wing's renovation hit a water line causing this enormous geyser. It looks like it's raining, it's not. The contractor was soaked and the White House was soaked, and the leak was eventually fixed. Not a bad day to kick off spring cleaning right around the White House.

We are ten minute away from the Wolf Blitzer. Wolf Blitzer, I feel like we haven't talked in a while. How are you?

WOLF BLITZER, CNN HOST, "THE SITUATION ROOM": What am I supposed to do, just sit around and wait?

BALDWIN: I'm crying tears every night, but it's been so long.

BLITZER: All right.

BALDWIN: How are you, and what do you have coming up?

BLITZER: You've been off a little bit, too, right? You haven't worked every day?

BALDWIN: A Monday here and there.

BLITZER: You deserve some time off.

BALDWIN: Thank you. BLITZER: You are doing an excellent job. I was going to tweet @BrookeBCNN "doing an excellent job," but then I got tied up with something else.

BALDWIN: Thanks a lot, Blitzer.

BLITZER: You're doing an excellent job.

Let's talk a little bit about what we have coming up. Reince Priebus, the chairman of the Republican National Committee will join me live in THE SITUATION ROOM during the 4:00 p.m. eastern hour, the next hour. Dan Pfeiffer, the White House communications director, he's joining us in the 5:00 p.m. eastern hour, as is Mike Allen of Politico. He's got a new eBook out entitled "Inside the Circus," what's going on in the Republican race for the White House.

We have a lot of news and fallout from the tornadoes yesterday. We were all over it 24 hours ago, as I know you were, as well. So we've got a full network of coverage coming up in THE SITUATION ROOM.

BALDWIN: Thank you, Wolf. We will see you in a couple of minutes.

Until then, I have to tell you about this real-life fight club revealed. Dozens of teens get together to watch kids beat up on one another. You're about to see this violent video and why one adult apparently brought a gun to the brawl. A real-life fight club, don't miss it.

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BALDWIN: Young Tyler Durden wannabes in northeastern Ohio, head's up, you just smashed through the first two rules of fight club.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: First rule of fight club is you do not talk about fight club. The second rule of fight club is you do not talk about fight club.

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BALDWIN: Well, these young guys didn't just talk about fight club, they put it on YouTube. And now police and school officials are working to match faces to the fighters. Watch this from Gerry Ricciutti of our Youngstown affiliate WKBN.

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GERRY RICCIUTTI, WKBN REPORTER: As more and more see these images the outrage is growing, especially in Boardman where the YouTube videos originated.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I think it's a shame just because it happened in Boardman Park, we don't know that it's Boardman kids, and that's disparaging to Boardman as a whole. RICCIUTTI: Police say the most recent incident happened behind the shops of Boardman Park gathering 100 teens and young adults to watch others fight. Some of those at a meeting of the local PTA says it comes down to a lack of parental responsibility.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You need to keep track of your kids and you need to know your kids' friends. If my daughter starts talking about someone I don't know, I ask yes, who is this person? I need to know their parents.

RICCIUTTI: In the meant we've learned administrators in both Austin Town and Youngstown are offering their assistance in determining if any of their students were shown in the videos and what roles any of them may have played.

WILLIAM MORVAY, SECURITY CHIEF, YOUNGSTOWN SCHOOL DISTRICT: We have as many as 25 officers that work in the schools on any given day. So the chances are great that they would be able to identify not only the current students but former students.

RICCIUTTI: With police calling Saturday's incident only the latest in these local brawls, some wonder if the people involved here aren't simply copying what they've been seeing elsewhere.

FRANK LAZZERI, BOARDMAN SCHOOL SUPERINTENDENT: They watch, you know, "Fight Club" and all sort of movies that are out there. And so I think in some cases we have life imitating art.

RICCIUTTI: At this point, police have not filed any charges.

In Boardman, Gerry Ricciutti, 33 News.

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BALDWIN: We just had this also. Police say one adult brought a gun to referee the fighting there.

The suspect in the tech school slayings in Oakland, California, from this past Monday is about to make his very first court appearance. He is One L. Goh, described as a former student who had money problems and held a number of grudges. Dan Simon is standing by for us now in Oakland. And Dan, first this hearing, when is it supposed to start, and what should we expect from it?

DAN SIMON, CNN CORRESPONDENT: It will start in about an hour, Brooke. And from what we understand it will be a short hearing. One Goh will be explained the charges against him, at least seven murder charges and three attempted murder charges. There's also a special circumstances provision which means prosecutors have the option of pursuing the death penalty if they decide to do that. At this point, from what we understand, the suspect does not have an attorney so he'll be referred to the public defender's office for representation. Brooke?

BALDWIN: As more and more details have been coming out since 48 hours, the police are still looking for the murder weapon, correct? SIMON: They are. They've actually been searching an estuary where they believe the suspect Goh threw the weapon into this body of water. There have been divers over there. It's interesting to note that police say Goh purchased this weapon legally in the gun store in the state of California. They haven't disclosed what kind of weapon this is, but there is an active search for that.

BALDWIN: And finally, Dan, remind us how many victims and what we know about these victims -- 60 seconds.

SIMON: Seven total victims, three people wounded. They've been released from the hospital. We're talking about six women and one men who died, their ages ranging from 21 to 53 years of age, some of them were young mothers. That's what's so heartbreaking here, the fact that you have a guy that shoots up a school and you have children who aren't going have their moms for the rest of their lives.

BALDWIN: I read somewhere that it was reported that he had grudges, grudge with women. Are you hearing that?

SIMON: Well, he certainly seemed to have anger management issues. He was targeting, allegedly, a specific female administrator, and when he realized that she wasn't there, the rampage begins. And he went into a classroom and lined people up according to police and just shot them one by one.

BALDWIN: Absolutely horrendous. Dan Simon, we'll look for your reporting after that court appearance during "THE SITUATION ROOM." I thank you live for us in Oakland.

And I thank you so much for watching. I'm Brooke Baldwin here at the world headquarters here in Atlanta. Now to my colleague, Wolf Blitzer. THE SITUATION ROOM starts right now. Wolf?