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Tulsa, Oklahoma Shootings: Manhunt Underway in Tulsa After Gunman Kills Three; All Safe After Navy Jet Crash; Relentless Violence in Syria; Jamie Moyer Pitching at Nearly 50

Aired April 07, 2012 - 17:00   ET

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DON LEMON, CNN ANCHOR: Hello, everyone. Thank you for joining us. I'm Don Lemon.

Sadly, the people of Tulsa, Oklahoma, are spending this holiday weekend in fear of being gun down by a man driving around and shooting and killing innocent people. Since Friday morning, five people were shot, left laying on the ground, bleeding. Three of them died. The two others are in the hospital. They should be OK. The Tulsa mayor says, police haven't yet found a common link between the shootings. And within the last hour, police told reporters just how bad it is.

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CHIEF CHUCK JORDAN, TULSA, OKLAHOMA, POLICE: This is something we have never seen in Tulsa, Oklahoma, at least since I have been a police officer here, and that's over 40 years.

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LEMON: The killer is still out there which it tells you. Ashlei King was at that news conference. She is a reporter for our affiliate KOTV. Ashlei, thank you for joining us. The chief was adamant about finding out who this guy is, the resources he's putting in place. I understand there's a new task force.

ASHLEI KING, KOTV REPORTER: Yes, that's right, Don. There's a task force called operation random shooter. He said there's going to be 30 people working around the clock to find out who gunned down these people. It's going to involve the U.S. marshal, the FBI, Tulsa county sheriff and the Tulsa Police Department. Now, they said this is a vicious and cowardly crime, that something they have never, ever seen here in Tulsa happen before, and they really are dedicating all of the people here to try to find who committed this crime.

LEMON: I would imagine, and Ashlei I have to ask you this, I mean, people living there, I remember the D.C. sniper case and people were just afraid to even leave their homes. What's it like being in that community?

KING: Well, a lot of people in North Tulsa right now are afraid to even leave their houses. They're afraid that if they walk on the street, someone is going to come up to them, possibly show a gun, shoot them. They're just really -- there's a lot of fear and everybody just on edge right now. We had some of the NAACP leaders here tonight. And they also said, you know, you should be able to walk around. This has got to stop. They have to find out who did this so that people can feel safe in their own town.

LEMON: All right. Thank you very much. We really appreciate that. And speaking of Ashlei, speaking of the NAACP, we're going to talk to the leader of the NAACP, the local leader there, he's been in speaking with police, questioning police and getting information. And also, there's some concern about the victims all being African-American whether or not this is a hate crime. Police at the press conference say, no information leading them to believe that at this point, but we're going to check in with our guest in a moment.

And our next story, you have to see this video to even believe it. Have you seen this? It was a fiery crash involving a navy jet fighter in Virginia Beach. No one can believe that no one was killed in this and everybody who was missing has been found. Look at that. The pilots are getting credit for how they handled the situation.

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REAR ADM. TED BRANCH, U.S. NAVY: I think the pilots deserve a lot of credit for staying with the airplane as long as they possibly could. You know, I watched it and I witness, it appears from where the canopy was and the ejection was just within a couple seconds of the airplane impact.

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LEMON: Well, CNN Sandra Endo has been following this story for us from Virginia Beach.

SANDRA ENDO, CNN CORRESPONDENT: State and local officials here in Virginia Beach are calling this an Easter miracle. There are no fatalities and everyone has been accounted for despite the fiery jet crash into five apartment buildings yesterday afternoon. There is dramatic video taken just six minutes after the plane went down, showing emergency responders kicking down doors, checking for residents inside the complex. The dramatic video also showed billowing smoke and fire shooting out of the complex as well as the wreckage of the jet lying in the courtyard. It also shows the tail wing and the after burners lying there as first responders are responding to the scene. The video also shows the parachute dangling off the side of the building, and that is because two pilots ejected just moments before the plane went down. One of those pilots is shown in the video being treated by first responders. Now that the search and rescue effort is over, maybe official say, they want more answers as to how this all happened in the first place.

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BRANCH: The investigation has just got under way. And so, what we have done here is control the site, we're now going to start moving in, now that the city has gotten the whole site under complete control, we're going to come in, sort of in a parallel activity and work our way from the outside in, gathering all the parts, examining the parts, we'll take all of those parts and put them into what is it, hangar 23, over at NAS Oceana, and lay them all out and start doing the detailed examination of what we find, looking at all the tapes, listening to all the tapes. We'll get the data recorders from the aircraft. It's going to take weeks to put this all together.

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ENDO: Navy officials so far are calling this a catastrophic mechanical malfunction. And to give you a perspective of this community, it is heavily populated with military families, the community is used to these training runs and hundreds of jets flying overhead. A CNN iReporter caught the mushroom cloud just moments after that jet went down. Another FA (ph) fighter jet was circling around the site of the accident and just panning over, you can see the coastline of Virginia Beach, just two miles away from the site of the crash is the naval air base where that jet took off. Now, of course, officials do want more answers and they say the investigation will take weeks to conduct. Reporting from Virginia Beach, I'm Sandra Endo.

LEMON: Sandra Endo. Thank you very much. One of the story that has captivated the nation. The Trayvon Martin story. There's some new information to tell you about right now from a woman who says she saw the scuffle between neighborhood watch captain George Zimmerman and Trayvon Martin. Our producers in Florida confirmed she lives in the complex and has told her story to police. She spoke exclusively to CNN's Ashleigh Banfield on AC 360 last night, her face is in shadow to conceal her identity.

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ASHLEIGH BANFIELD, CNN ANCHOR: Where were you looking at the moment the gun fired?

UNIDENTIFIED EYEWITNESS: I was looking at the two men on the ground and heard the gun shot.

BANFIELD: Could you tell who was on the top, who was on the bottom?

UNIDENTIFIED EYEWITNESS: I know it was very dark, but I really would have to say that I thought it was the larger person that was on top.

BANFIELD: And when the gun fire went off, what happened to the larger man who you think might have been on the top? What happened at that moment?

UNIDENTIFIED EYEWITNESS: Well, I would just say a couple seconds later, that larger man was walking closer to where I could see him.

BANFIELD: Before those couple of seconds, at the moment the gunshot went off, what happened with the larger man?

UNIDENTIFIED EYEWITNESS: Obviously, the other man, the boy was dead, and the other person got up and was walking away from the body.

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LEMON: She also responded to Zimmerman's claims that Martin slammed his head against a hard surface. Surveillance video has shown some kind of cut or bruises or bruise on Zimmerman's head.

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BANFIELD: Since that time, the lead investigator Chris Serino has been reportedly, an account of his has been reportedly been to another resident who had a 10-year-old boy who called 911 that he didn't necessarily believe Mr. Zimmerman's story. Does that surprise you?

UNIDENTIFIED EYEWITNESS: Well, it was just kind of bewildering to me at the time to think, wow, I really thought it was the boy crying for help, but here's the lead investigator telling me that no, it was Mr. Zimmerman.

BANFIELD: Where you saw the fight taking place, was there a hard surface anywhere nearby, a sidewalk, a street?

UNIDENTIFIED EYEWITNESS: The back of the complex where the back of the homes are facing where it happened. And there is a sidewalk, but when I watched it, they were always on the ground.

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LEMON: That's Ashleigh Banfield on AC 360 last night.

What is an iPhone worth to you? How about an iPad. One teen decided it was worth selling his kidney, and this woman says, it's not easy being beautiful. Really? What do you think, is she beautiful or she a little arrogant or not self-aware? What do you think? We're going to talk about it.

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LEMON: This is our top story today on CNN, in Tulsa, Oklahoma, five people have been shot. Three of them are dead. Two are in the hospital. They're expected to survive. The Tulsa mayor says, police haven't yet found a common link between the shootings, but one commonality. All of the victims are African-American. And here is what is happening here. Someone is just driving around, randomly shooting people. They've shot five people since yesterday morning.

Let's talk now to Reverend Warren Blakney, he is the president of the Tulsa, NAACP and he joins us now by phone. Reverend, thank you for joining us. First though, I want you to listen to what the police chief said just a short time ago at the press conference, and then we'll talk.

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JORDAN: The whole race issue, the hate crime issue, there's a very logical theory that would say that that's what it could be. But I'm a police officer. I have to go by evidence. I'm not going to make the statement at this time that that's what it is when we have had no evidence, no racial slurs thrown, we haven't arrested anybody yet that may have literature. It's just not time for us to say that.

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LEMON: So, Reverend Blakney, I think that is a good call by the police chief because there were some people jumping to conclusions that this may be some sort of hate crime, but I think what he said is regardless of what it is, I just want to get this killer off the streets.

REV. WARREN BLAKNEY, PRESIDENT, NAACP TULSA: That's correct. I was in the conference with the mayor earlier, and we all agree that we need to do whatever it takes to get the perpetrator of this crime behind bars. And we stood unitedly together to that call to make certain that we do what we can to see this person behind bars.

LEMON: Is there something Reverend that we don't know or maybe we're not hearing on this end that would leave some to believe that this is some sort of hate crime or that this is racial? Is it just because all of the victims are African-American? Or what is going on?

BLAKNEY: Well, think the concern that we have which makes me believe that and I'll speak for me, is that from 5th to 6th Street north in Tulsa back down toward the downtown area is primarily African- American, heavily African-American, and a great majority of the African-Americans in the city live in that particular area. And for a white male to come that deep into the area and that deep North Tulsa and start to indiscriminately shooting people, African-Americans, that lends itself for me to believe that it was probably was indeed a hate crime.

LEMON: Yes. And if you had been in the most conversations with police, do they have any idea of who this person is? You said that they believe that it's a white male. Obviously, they're getting this from people who did survive the shootings. Are you getting any information that they might know who this is, someone who may have a beef with someone in that community?

BLAKNEY: No, what I got today from talking to the chief and all those associated with this case thus far is that they're kind of interestingly looking for this individual. The only thing they really know is that he is a white male, he was driving a white older pickup truck. Those are the two pieces of information that we have at this point. Other than that, we're not certain of anything else yet.

LEMON: All right. Thank you, Reverend Warren Blakney, Tulsa, Oklahoma NAACP. We appreciate you joining us. Get back to us if you get new information, OK?

BLAKNEY: Thanks so much for having me.

LEMON: Thank you. And as police continue to track down the suspect, we're going to let you know as we get new information on this and also, we'll going to be talking to the captain of the Tulsa Police Department coming up. The man who held the press conference, 7:00 p.m. Eastern, right here on CNN. He doesn't hold back. He's a straight shooter. So, we'll be talking to him soon. What would you do for an iPad or an iPhone? Five people in China are charged with helping a 17-year-old boy do the unthinkable, sell his kidney so he could buy those Apple products. The five men are charged with intentional injury. The teenager is now suffering from renal insufficiency. He got $3,500 for his kidney. The surgeon got nearly $35,000. Can you believe that?

Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez will travel to Cuba tonight for more radiation treatment for his cancer. Chavez had just returned from Cuba on Thursday. He's expected to meet with his cabinet before leaving tonight. The 57-year-old president says, doctors in Cuba have operated on him twice to remove cancerous tumors. Thursday night, he spoke at a mass in Western, Venezuela where he pleaded with Jesus to let him live so he can keep working for the good of his country.

We're going to go now to Syria. The government is taking full advantage of the time left before a cease-fire takes effect. The regime promised to pull security forces out of the cities by Tuesday, but as CNN's Ivan Watson explains, that's not stopping them from punishing the opposition.

IVAN WATSON, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Less than three days before the Syrian government has pledged to withdraw its forces from population centers, all the indicators are that the violence has gotten worse rather than better inside Syria. Syrian opposition groups claims more than 100 people have been killed across the country on Saturday alone. And I have to caution viewers about this next video. It emerged from the embattled City of Homs. Opposition activists say, they stumbled across 13 bodies, they are laying at a foot of a wall that was a Syrian school. And you can claimly see bullet holes in the wall. It appears these 13 men were lined up and shot to death execution style by an impromptu firing squad. We don't know who did it. But opposition activists claim that school was appropriated by Syrian security forces who used it as a temporary detention center.

Now, there has also been intense fighting reported by residents of another city, Homa. The U.S. ambassador to Syria who pulled out of the country weeks ago, has published satellite images that he say, indicates the Syrian government has done a partial withdrawal of some tanks and armor from some cities and towns, but these also indicate, he says, that artillery and tanks continue to be employed and placed in other cities and towns, that the Syrian government claims to have withdrawn its forces from in a statement to the United Nations. The U.N. secretary-general has gone one step further, condemning the Syrian military assault on civilians in recent days and going on to say, quote, "The 10th of April timeline to fulfill the government's implementation of its commitments as endorsed by the security council is not an excuse for continued killing." The U.N. secretary general himself suggesting that Damascus is using these final days as an opportunity to intensify its attack against its enemies in the country." Ivan Watson, CNN, Istanbul.

LEMON: All right, Ivan. Thank you very much. Don't hate me because I'm beautiful. Not my words. That comment comes from a British woman. As you can imagine, it got a whole lot of people talking. Is she beautiful? Look at her. (COMMERCIAL BREAK)

LEMON: OK, so help me out on this one. I need you to tweet me or Facebook me for your comments on this next story. A columnist for Britain's daily mail newspaper took up the subject of the advantages of being in her words, so beautiful. That set of a blizzard of e-mail on twitter comments that quickly turn ugly. Samantha Brick wrote about the positive attention that she gets from men, she gets free drinks, she gets paid cab fare, she gets flowers. She writes, "While I'm no Elle Macpherson, I'm tall, slim, blonde, and so I'm often told, a good looking women. I know how lucky I am, but there are downsides to being pretty. The main one that other women hate me for no other reason than my lovely looks." But is she being arrogant or just proving a point here?

Human behavior expert Dr. Wendy Walsh joins me. I can't wait to talk to you about this. So, Wendy, I mean, listen, there's so much to talk about because, first it would depend on your idea of what you actually think is beautiful, right? She says, I'm tall and -- some people would say, well, I could be short and dark and that's beautiful as well. So, it's -- being beauty, right? We're talking universal standards or western standards here. What do you think of this, of the article that she wrote?

DR. WENDY WALSH, HUMAN BEHAVIOR EXPERT: Well, first of all, the very fact that you're asking is she pretty shows how objectified women are based on their looks. I could agree with her certainly that there are far more advantages to being an attractive woman than disadvantages. But the disadvantages aren't so much about the female to female competition Don that you might experience. It's more ominous. It's stuff that happened in early life, that young attractive girls are more susceptible to predators, to sexual abuse. That young girls are often steered away from educational opportunities and steered toward runways and Hollywood sets, so they're not living to their full intelligence or the intellectual potential. So, those kinds of things are the more dangers of being beautiful. But, you know, these woman represents what the media, the western media would call a standard of beauty, she's tall, slim and blonde. Well, is she more beautiful than Beyonce who we love here? You know, this is not the point of what she was saying. She's saying there are downsides to being pretty.

LEMON: OK. All right. And you know, there's nothing wrong with a healthy self confidence, right? Because we're also talking about how to give young women the confidence to feel good about themselves, and then she does and we bash her. I want you to look at some of the responses. Some of them are from twitter. This one is from Heidi. She says, "Samantha Brick baited both genders into making violent, sexist, bile-fueled remarks. It worked. What an ugly light. The whole things shines." From Darren Brown, Darren Brown says, "Hilarious, I wish I had such an inflated view of my looks. Someone, please tell me, it's a spoof." And then there's yet another one, it says, "I've heard of beer goggles, Samantha Brick would appear to possess a beer mirror."

WALSH: That's terrible.

LEMON: That is terrible, but it is funny.

WALSH: That's terrible, Don.

LEMON: But, hey, it's funny.

WALSH: No, the point is -- we don't accept good, healthy self pride.

LEMON: All right.

WALSH: This woman thinks she looks just fine, and somehow we interpret that as being arrogant, and her point is she was just using it as a crutch to try to explain some of the challenges to attractive people, but we both know, Don, since you're so hot and I used to be, that being beautiful is more positive than negative.

LEMON: Right. Well, listen, you know, I can see the joke in that, but I completely understand when it comes to the self confidence thing. Like people often ask, like, oh, you know, you're on TV, do you think you're good looking? No, I think I'm attractive. Nothing wrong with it, then people sends me outrageous things. Oh my gosh, you're so conceited. It's like, OK, stop it. But I understand that. It's nothing wrong with the healthy self confidence. But I don't know, I think that she's maybe going out a little bit, because is she really beautiful? I mean, you have to be realistic about being attractive.

WALSH: OK. You know where she lives? She lives in a tiny farming community in the countryside in France. Yes, she's probably a 10 around there, trust me.

LEMON: OK, all right.

WALSH: It's all relative.

LEMON: But you know, I do want to have this conversation with you. Because a lot of my friends are not that great looking guys, but they always get the girl. We'll go out to a bar someplace, and right away, boom, and how does that happen? I mean, is it all about -- what they portray or how they feel?

WALSH: Well, because mates look for -- gender looks for different things in partners. Of course, men are very visually wired, and they look for more attraction in females. Women look for much more. We look for personality, we look for income, we look for who has a good a-game and sometimes maybe they just have a good a-game. Yes. Self confidence, all that is sexy to women.

LEMON: OK. Is this a healthy conversation to be having or is this damaging to women?

WALSH: I think when you ask, is she pretty enough, that's not very healthy? I mean, the point is every woman is beautiful in her own way, no matter her race, no matter how tall she is or how much body fat she has. Every woman is beautiful and we want every woman to know they're beautiful.

LEMON: Yes. And I'm just being a jerk. That's it.

WALSH: But I love you.

LEMON: I admit. I'm just being a jerk and snarky. Thank you, Dr. Wendy Walsh, I love you, too. Hey, see you soon for your birthday. By the way.

WALSH: That's right, thank you.

LEMON: Thank you. All right. With more people identifying as multiracial, can there ever be an all American beauty? You can check out the story on cnn.com. It's on our home page.

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LEMON: Coming up on half past the hour now. Going to get you caught up on the headlines. We're going to start in Oklahoma. This was our lead story tonight where people are living in fear of being gunned down by a man driving around shooting and killing innocent people. Five people have been shot since Friday morning. Three of them have died. The two others are in the hospital, but they're expected to be OK. A police task force is hunting for the killer, it's a special one they set up. The police chief says, he hasn't seen anything like this in his 40 years on the force. He's going to join us at 7:00 p.m. Eastern on CNN.

An Easter miracle. That's what folks in Virginia Beach are calling it. Everyone has been accounted for and no one was killed when a Navy jet fighter crashed apartment buildings and burst into flames -- crashed into an apartment building and it burst into flames.

The seven people who were injured have also been released from the hospital. An investigation into the crash is now under way. The Navy says it may take several weeks to determine exactly what happened here.

More embarrassment for a government agency already in trouble with Congress. The "Huffington Post" is reporting this, releasing videos of skits and games played by members of the General Services Administration at a conference in Las Vegas.

They make jokes and sing songs about government waste and out-of- control spending. Your tax dollars paid the almost $1 million cost of the conference. That includes a half-million dollars for iPods and other gifts for government employees, a half-million dollars for iPods and other gifts for government employees.

The head of the GSA resigned a few days ago, and the agency is under congressional investigation.

Rick Santorum will take a day off from campaigning Monday to be with his daughter at the hospital. His campaign hasn't said why 3-year-old Bella Santorum was hospitalized. She suffers from a rare genetic disorder and was hospitalized with pneumonia at the end of January. Our thoughts and prayers are with the family. Former Washington, D.C., Mayor Marion Barry is in the spotlight again. He has had to deal with a whole lot of controversy. But this time it involves a public statement describing Asian-owned businesses as, quote, "dirty." CNN's Athena Jones has the story.

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ATHENA JONES, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Washington, D.C., council member Marion Barry's latest dust-up came at his re-election victory party when he criticized Asian-owned shops in his low-income majority black neighborhood in southeast Washington.

MARION BARRY, WASHINGTON, D.C., COUNCIL: These little neighbor shopping centers. We got to do something about these Asians coming in, opening up businesses or dirty shops and getting -- they got to go. I am going to say that right now. You know, but we need African- American business people to be able to take their places, too.

JONES: Asian and black leaders blasted Barry, once known as a fighter for civil rights, for what they called racially divisive remarks. Barry later apologized for what he said was a bad choice of words. We caught up with the former four-term mayor in his ward.

BARRY: I said something that I could have phrased it differently, but the meaning is the same. You're not going to have people who are exploiting us in this community. They're going to be a part of the community. We welcome all business people here. I want them to participate in life, but give us a job.

JONES: Barry's comments have touched a nerve.

HELEN LEE, RESTAURANT OWNER: Yes, I was very mad, mad to him.

MIRIAM LEE, RESTAURANT OWNER: We work really hard to keep our facility clean and to serve this community. We have been here for over 20 years now. So it's really insulting for him to come out of the blue and say that we're dirty and that, you know, we should be replaced, basically, because we have been here for so long.

BARRY: She's mad at me but I tell her, you put your money in this community, hire some people in this community.

JONES: Perhaps best known for the 1990 federal drug sting that caught him smoking crack in a hotel room, more recently Barry was sentenced to probation for failing to file tax returns. Still, he remains extraordinarily popular and defiant.

You're not a stranger to controversy. It seems like every few years, there's something, some story out. How does that make you feel? Why do you think that is?

BARRY: Well, because I'm doing such a great job. I'm doing a fantastic job. My political enemies, the haters and other kind of people, got to find something to do. They attack Marion Barry. That's all. They ought to do something else. JONES: Marion Barry told me his record as a civil rights leader is well known. He has a great deal of support in the Asian community, and he stands by his complaint that Asian store owners need to hire more local workers and be more a part of the community -- Athena Jones, CNN, Washington.

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LEMON: All right, Athena. Thank you very much. It's been weeks since Trayvon Martin was killed and the man who admits to shooting him is not charged and not under arrest. Coming up, we're pushing the story forward and looking at what's going to happen this week.

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CHRISTINE ROMANS, CNN BUSINESS CORRESPONDENT: Jobs, jobs, jobs. The private sector has been adding them now for 25 straight months. So who is getting hired? Baby boomers for one. Since the start of the Great Recession, employment for Americans age 55 and older is up by 3.9 million.

Things are looking better, too, for new college graduates. The National Association of Colleges and Employers says starting salaries are up 4.5 percent from last year and more grads are expected to be hired this year than last year.

KEN ROGOFF, PROFESSOR, HARVARD UNIVERSITY: I think the glass is half full for 2012. I think things are definitely a little better than in 2011. I would rather be looking for a job this year.

ROMANS: Here are a couple of things can you do to improve your chances of getting hired. Don't sabotage those chances with an unsuitable social media profile. Google yourself to see what's there.

Join professional sites like LinkedIn and network offline, too. If you applied for a job months ago and haven't heard back, it's time to check in again. Companies are hiring. Most importantly, don't blame other people. Work on yourself.

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ROMANS: And don't forget, your job market is a job market of one. The only job statistic that matters to you is whether or not you are employed. For "Smart is the New Rich," I'm Christine Romans.

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LEMON: We're going in-depth on a story that has captivated the nation now, speculation continuing to grow on whether George Zimmerman will face criminal charges for shooting unarmed teenager Trayvon Martin.

Zimmerman says he shot in self-defense, of course the story has been hashed and rehashed all over in the media. But we want to talk law and justice, and we want to get people up to what is going to happen this week. Holly Hughes is here. She's a criminal defense attorney.

And the grand jury next week, is he -- do you think he'll face charges?

HOLLY HUGHES, CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY: I think he will if Angela Corey, the state attorney assigned to investigate this, decides to do a presentment. She's got a couple options, Don. She might say my investigation is ongoing and I don't think I have enough evidence to do a presentment.

She may bypass the grand jury altogether and do what we call a direct indictment and say my evidence is so strong, that I'm just going to file a direct indictment, and have him arrested and tried, or the third option is go before the grand jury. She thinks she's got enough evidence to do a presentment this coming week.

So it all depends on how she proceeds. If she does, in fact, do a presentment, that means she feels there's enough evidence to let the citizens decide, the grand jury is a lot different than what we call a petit jury.

Grand jury is a body of citizens who are summoned into court, like you get a jury summons for any jury service. You come in, there's going be between 15 and 21 people on a Florida grand jury, and basically, only one side is heard. It's interesting because it's not like a trial that you see --

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LEMON: Wait, wait. One side -- one side is heard? What side?

HUGHES: That's going to be the state's attorney presenting the evidence. They might call investigators, they might call in paramedics --

LEMON: OK.

HUGHES: -- they might call in eyewitnesses. Typically, the defendant is not present, and there's no other side. So they just put up the evidence --

LEMON: Just what it is?

HUGHES: -- but it's much lower (inaudible).

LEMON: And then from that who decides whether or not --

HUGHES: The grand jury votes --

LEMON: The grand jury votes from there. HUGHES: -- and it's all in secret. And the state's attorney can't even be in the room when they decide whether or not they're going to what we call -- return a true bill of indictment.

LEMON: Yes.

HUGHES: But bear in mind, the standard of proof is a lot lower. It's not beyond reasonable doubt, which we see in a courtroom when there's a trial. It's just going to be is there probable cause that some kind of crime was committed.

LEMON: Well, that's the whole thing that everyone is saying that they believe -- that probable cause, George Zimmerman --

HUGHES: Something happened out there that was illegal.

LEMON: -- happened there, whatever it is, whatever it is.

HUGHES: (Inaudible) right, whether it's murder one or whether it's manslaughter --

LEMON: Or whether nothing.

HUGHES: -- a whole host and --

LEMON: Or whether nothing.

HUGHES: That's exactly right, because when they vote in secret, they can say, yes, we vote to indict for manslaughter; yes, we vote to indict first degree murder or they can say no, we don't think there's enough evidence. So we no-bill it (ph).

LEMON: All of the stuff that we have been seeing in the media like the videotape, the 9-1-1 tapes, this witness saying this. Is that -- any of that going to enter or matter?

HUGHES: Well, yes, because that's the evidence that they have. Again, you and I were talking about this on the break. There is that time period, that two-minute timeframe that we sort of narrowed down when we did our timeline last weekend when nobody --

LEMON: Nobody knows.

HUGHES: -- except Trayvon and George --

LEMON: There you go.

HUGHES: -- know what happened. So what they're going to do is present the evidence that led up to it, the evidence that comes after it, and evidence being 9-1-1 calls, not just from George Zimmerman, but from all of the different eyewitnesses --

LEMON: All the people, yes.

HUGHES: -- and earwitnesses who called in. Then the paramedics may have something to say that were on the scene, the investigators may have something to say. All of that plays into --

LEMON: Yes. It's been interesting how -- you know, just in the country, how the divide that has happed over this and people --

HUGHES: It's extremely polarizing. Very polarizing.

LEMON: It's -- and you have seen this when -- in trials that you prosecuted. How do you handle that? Can you -- if it, in fact, if he has to go to trial, can he get a -- have a jury that's impartial with all of that?

HUGHES: I got to tell you, and a lot of us, my attorney friends and investigator friends, police officers, that's the fear here, is that George Zimmerman, at this point, cannot get a fair trial because there's been so much publicity.

And a lot of the issues discussed are really outside the realm of the evidence because it's brought to bear a discussion on racial relations and police procedures and the interpretation of laws that the legislature has enacted. So it goes beyond just guilt or innocence here.

LEMON: Yes. It's interesting. I have got to go, but how soon will we know? Once the grand jury comes, is it going to take a while? How long will we -- before we know?

HUGHES: Well, we'll know if there's going to be a presentment when April 10th comes and goes. If it's being presented, it could take a day or two to present all the evidence, but the vote will come back immediately.

LEMON: It'll be -- well, so we'll know.

HUGHES: Yes.

LEMON: We won't have to wait. That's what I wanted to know.

Thank you, Holly Hughes, appreciate it.

Just ahead here on CNN, a college student tried to do the right thing and paid for the speeding ticket he received. So why wouldn't the city take his bucketful of coins as payment? That's money, right?

And it's a day that every kid who grew up watching "The Jetsons" dreamed about. I love "The Jetsons." The flying car is here. "Meet George Jetson." Remember that? "His boy, Elroy."

HUGHES: That's right. What was the name of the --

LEMON: Daughter Judy; Jane, his wife.

HUGHES: That's right. And the dog?

LEMON: Wasn't it Pluto or something?

HUGHES: No. LEMON: What was it?

HUGHES: What was it?

LEMON: Astro.

HUGHES: Astro.

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LEMON: The City of Ft. Collins, Colorado, is dealing with an extreme case of nickel and diming.

Good writing. Who wrote that? That was very good.

That's how this student wanted to pay his $160 fine for speeding, all in coins. He says he waited until the last minute and only had this chunk of change on him. But the city says it's not a good use of taxpayer money to accept the coins.

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TED NISCHAN, STUDENT FINED FOR SPEEDING: I went back home, grabbed my savings, my change here. Went back in, tried to pay it, they would not accept it.

KIM NEWCOMER, CITY OF FT. COLLINS: The large amount of coin, and so what we would have to do is actually count that by hand, not once, but twice, to assure that we had the right amount there.

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LEMON: It's money, isn't it? All of this could have been avoided if someone had told the student there's a coin counting machine in the parking office. The student ended up paying his fine online.

Well, one day you may look up and see a sky full of cars. CNN's Susan Candiotti is at New York Auto Show with the machine that may kickstart it all.

Susan, what do you have?

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SUSAN CANDIOTTI, CNN CORRESPONDENT: The top prize for one of the most amazing things that you will see at this year's auto show is this. Now, the question is, is it a plane that drives or is it a car that flies?

It's actually both. It's called the Transition and made by a company called Terrafugia, which means "escape from the Earth." This already is street legal and it has an experimental license from the FAA to fly. It's already taken one test flight and gone up 1,400 feet. Many more test flights are planned, and it takes 40 seconds for the wings to unfold -- an amazing sight to see. When you look inside, the dashboard pretty much looks like one that you would see in any car. It has both a speedometer and an altimeter. Now that's different. Wouldn't you like one?

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LEMON: Ah, very cool. Thank you, Susan. Yes, I would love one. So how much will the fine car cost? Well, its website say the anticipated price for -- a base price of -- a base model, $279,000. Driventofly.com,driventofly.com if you want to find out more information, base model 279,000 buckaroonies. Price sure to come down.

All right. Olympic gold medalist Amanda -- not the plane, the price of the car.

Olympic gold medalist Amanda Beard has already been a beauty in the water and out of it, but while millions have found her attractive, she hasn't always agreed with them. Dr. Sanjay Gupta shares Beard's struggle with negative body image, next.

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DR. SANJAY GUPTA, CNN CHIEF MEDICAL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): This little girl always dreamed big.

AMANDA BEARD, FOUR-TIME OLYMPIC SWIMMER: I was 10 years old watching the '92 Olympics. And right then and there decided, that's what I wanted to do.

GUPTA: Only four years later, swimmer Amanda Beard's dream did come true. The 90-pound 14-year-old walked away from the '96 Atlanta Olympics with a gold and two silver medals.

BEARD: After that, I had a huge growth spurt. I grew to about 5'8", and then I weighed about 130.

GUPTA: Her growing body sparked her struggle with a negative body image.

BEARD: All of a sudden, I wasn't swimming very well. And I blamed that all on because I got bigger.

GUPTA: Uncomfortable in her new body, she turned to bulimia, sometimes throwing up a couple times a day.

BEARD: It totally was based on how I was feeling emotionally and how I felt, you know, in my own skin.

GUPTA: She began abusing drugs and alcohol. She struggled with depression. But despite her inner demons, she continued to succeed in swimming. Her emotional low triggered a dangerous new habit.

BEARD: I felt this kind of -- this, like, rage almost, take over me, like just running through my veins. And I just grabbed my hand and started digging my thumbnail into myself.

GUPTA: She'd hide in the bathroom using eyebrow razors to slice small scratches on her arms or ankles.

BEARD: You know, it was like this relaxing, like, outlet for me.

GUPTA: It wasn't until her boyfriend, Sasha Brown, discovered Beard's self-destructive behavior that she began to seek help to overcome it.

Now at 30, four-time Olympian Beard and photographer Brown are happily married. They're proud parents of 3-year-old Blaze.

BEARD: I went through all of these things. And here I am, happy, healthy with a great family and continuing on, trying to make my fifth Olympics.

GUPTA: Dr. Sanjay Gupta, CNN, reporting.

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LEMON: He has been pitching in the majors since before some of his teammates were even born. And at 49 Jamie Moyer isn't ready to quit. Good for him, as I approach that age. He takes the mound tonight. But first, hear why and how he keeps going and going.

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LEMON: If you're not a baseball fan, you've probably never heard of Jamie Moyer. You should know him. He's played in one All-Star Game -- one -- and probably won't ever be elected to the Hall of Fame. But tonight he could set a baseball record that may never be broken. Here's CNN's Ed Lavandera.

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ED LAVANDERA, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Doesn't get old walking out on to a baseball field, does it?

JAMIE MOYER, PROFESSIONAL BASEBALL PLAYER: No. There's not a better feeling than this right here.

LAVANDERA: Jamie Moyer first walked onto a Major League baseball field in the summer of 1986. Ronald Reagan was president, America was dancing to "Walk Like an Egyptian," and "Ferris Buehler's Day Off" had just premiered in movie theaters.

Jamie Moyer is 49 years old and found out just a few days ago that he earned a spot as a starting pitcher for the Colorado Rockies, a team that didn't even exist when he broke into the major leagues more than 25 years ago.

You're 49 years old, playing a kid's game, right?

MOYER: That's correct.

LAVANDERA: I mean, it doesn't get any better. MOYER: It doesn't. And sometimes I have to pinch myself. And I've been very blessed to, you know, to have the opportunities to have a long career and at 49, still feeling like a kid.

LAVANDERA: If Jamie Moyer wins his first game this season, he'll become the oldest pitcher in Major League history to win a game. Three of his pitching teammates were born after Moyer started his big league career. Let the old man jokes begin.

No one's asked you if you played with Babe Ruth?

MOYER: I get that on occasion. Yes, yes. And I -- actually sometimes I kid guys that I used to clean his shoes and things like that. So it kind of --

LAVANDERA: Babe Ruth's shoes?

MOYER: -- yes, I used to -- it breaks the ice.

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LAVANDERA: When Jamie Moyer talks, the young, baby-faced players listen. Moyer says most of his close baseball friends have long retired.

MOYER: When I got on the airplane last night and guys started -- sat down and I went back to the bathroom, I'm thinking, oh, my gosh, I feel like I'm -- like we're on a field trip and I'm kind of watching over the kids.

LAVANDERA: Moyer is playing against his oldest son's friends now.

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"TERENCE MANN": The one constant through all the years, Ray, has been baseball.

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LAVANDERA: That was James Earl Jones, capturing the timelessness of baseball in the movie "Field of Dreams," just like Jamie Moyer has been a constant in baseball for more than a quarter century -- Ed Lavandera, CNN, Houston.

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LEMON: Jamie Moyer, good luck, buddy. Giving me inspiration.

We want to check your headlines before we get out of here in just a few minutes.

A gunman is on the loose in Tulsa, Oklahoma. Five people have been shot since Friday morning. Three of them have died, two others are in the hospital but expected to survive. And police believe the shooter is a white man while all the victims are African-American. And that's left a lot of questions about whether the shootings are race-related. They're saying hold off on that, they're not sure yet. A 25-person task force is hunting for the killer. Coming up at 7:00 Eastern, the captain of the Tulsa Police Department will join us and give us the latest on this case, answer all of our questions for us. Make sure you join us then.

This was the scene moments after a Navy jet fighter crashed into a Virginia Beach apartment complex and burst into flames.

Amazingly, no one was killed and everyone has been accounted for. All seven people who were injured, including the two pilots, have been released from the hospital. An investigation is now under way but it could be another couple of weeks before we know exactly what happened in that case. Stay tuned.

I'm Don Lemon at the CNN World Headquarters in Atlanta. I'll see you back here one hour from now. Make sure you join me. In the meantime "THE SITUATION ROOM" with Mr. Joe Johns begins in just a couple seconds here on CNN.