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Romney Tries to Win Over Social Conservatives; Man Believes Charles Manson is Father

Aired April 11, 2012 - 11:00   ET

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KYRA PHILLIPS, ANCHOR, "NEWSROOM": Hello, everyone. I'm Kyra Phillips. It's 11:00 on the East, 8:00 out West. We've got a busy hour ahead. Let's get straight to the news.

His name is synonymous with evil and in about 25 minutes Charles Manson, the man behind one the most notorious murder cases in American history, will be up for parole.

He's the ringleader behind the 1969 killings of actress, Sharon Tate, and six others. It's not clear if Manson will attend today's hearing, but one person who will is Sharon Tate's sister, Debra. She says she hopes Manson will be there.

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DEBRA TATE, SISTER OF SHARON TATE: I think that he needs to look into our eyes, victim's eyes, and see the pain that he's caused. I think that is something that is essential to his coming to peace, perhaps before he passes. As you said, this is probably going to be his last parole hearing.

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PHILLIPS: Our Miguel Marquez is monitoring the hearing in California and will bring us any developments as they happen.

In a couple hours, we are going to hear from Trayvon Martin's parents. They are expected to speak during a news conference held by the National Action Network, a civil rights organization.

And Attorney General Eric Holder just spoke about the Justice Department's investigation into the Martin case moments ago.

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ERIC HOLDER, ATTORNEY GENERAL: The department will conduct a thorough and independent review of the evidence.

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PHILLIPS: In less than 72 hours, we could know more about the state's investigation and that's when special prosecutor, Angela Corey, says she will release new information about the case.

She will decide whether or not George Zimmerman will face charges for shooting Trayvon Martin. We'll take you live to Sanford, Florida, for the latest in less than eight minutes.

And President Obama pitching the "Buffett Rule" at a speech just a few minutes ago. He said that millionaires must step up and pay their fair share of tax. A point that Republicans firmly oppose.

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PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA: That means we can't afford to keep spending more money on tax cuts for wealthy Americans who don't need them and weren't even asking for them and it's time we did something about it.

And I want to emphasize, this is not simply an issue of redistributing wealth. That's what you will hear from those who object to a tax plan that is fair.

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PHILLIPS: The rule is named after billionaire investor, Warren Buffett, who says he pays a lower tax rate than his secretary.

Overwhelming joy and tears of relief in Peru. Nine miners trapped more than 600 feet underground for six days walked back into daylight today. Wearing sunglasses and draped in blankets, they are greeted by loved ones and Peru's president.

They became trapped when the Wildcat Copper Mine collapsed last Thursday. They have been getting food and water through a giant tube while rescuers dug through the rubble. All the miners are said to be in good health.

A tsunami watch has been lifted from the Indian Ocean after two massive earthquakes struck off the cost of Indonesia. The first quake had a magnitude of 8.6. A second huge quake occurred about two hours later.

Frightened people fled the buildings and rushed to higher ground. Those quakes were felt as far away as Thailand and India. So far, no reports of injuries or destruction.

The peace plan to end the bloodbath in Syria appears to be falling apart. Special envoy, Kofi Annan, now leaning on Iran, a Syrian ally, to shore up support. Annan says that he's received promises from Syria that government troops will ceasefire on Thursday.

But as that deadline approaches, the reality on the ground in Syria is far from peaceful. There still seems to be no end to the bloodshed. Syrian forces are continuing to pound on cities like Homs. At least 22 people were reported killed today alone.

In North Korea, an expected rocket launch has the rest of the world on edge. Pyongyang says that it has started fueling a long- range rocket that will be used to launch a satellite. But the U.S. and South Korea say that it's just a cover for a ballistic missile test. Washington has now suspended food aid to the north over the controversy. Santorum is out, so as of now, there's not much standing between Romney and his party's nomination as he pursues the presidency. Romney will meet with workers later today at a Connecticut business, then head to Rhode Island for a town hall later tonight.

And the Obama campaign is wasting no time giving Romney the frontrunner treatment. In a new Web video, Romney's greatest hits, all his conservative remarks from the campaign trail, a video sure to irritate and energize any true-blue Democrat.

University of Arkansas football coach, Bobby Petrino, fired for reckless behavior. The 51-year-old married man crashed his motorcycle while taking a ride with his 25-year-old alleged mistress who also worked for the team.

At first, Petrino told officials he was alone during that crash, but an investigation revealed that wasn't really the case. The university athletic director says Petrino's, quote, "personal and professional relationship" with this employee was a key to the school's decision.

Reebok and Nike have called a truce over Tim Tebow. Reebok will stop producing sports apparel printed with the football star's name. A court has ordered it to remove all unauthorized Tebow products from the stores and buy back the t-shirts and the jerseys.

Nike sued Reebok last month, saying it had the sole right to produce and sell the jersey since it is now the exclusive licensee of the NFL.

Charges could come any moment, but where is George Zimmerman? The parents of Trayvon Martin are calling for justice and are speaking out in D.C. today. Martin Savidge is live next.

But first, what a shame that we won't see softball in the Olympics this summer because we have a gold medalist in the making right here. This is high school softball pitcher, Erin Gabriel. She's from Poland, Ohio, and she can bring it.

She struck out 34 batters in 16 innings, according to "The Palm Beach Post." Yes, you heard me right, 34 strikeouts in a single game. And, yes, I said, 16 innings, not seven.

It was a marathon of a game and Gabriel led the Poland Seminary Bulldogs to a 2-to-1 victory. And for her relentless drive on the diamond, Miss Gabriel, you are today's rock star.

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PHILLIPS: So, in just a couple hours, Trayvon Martin's parents are expected to speak at a news conference with the National Action Network. That news conference among several key developments and right now all eyes are on this woman, special prosecutor, Angela Corey.

In less than 72 hours, Corey says she will release new information about the case. She will decide whether or not George Zimmerman will face charges for shooting Trayvon Martin. Here's what she told affiliate, WJXT, just a couple of weeks ago.

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ANGELA COREY, STATE ATTORNEY: Every criminal case has complications and details that have to be fully developed before any decisions can be made and that's what we are expecting to do, is fully develop all of the facts and circumstances.

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PHILLIPS: Those facts and circumstances seem especially pressing right now after Zimmerman's attorneys held this conference yesterday making the shocking announcement that they were no longer representing Zimmerman.

Martin Savidge is on the ground in Sanford, Florida, working his sources to bring us the latest. So, Marty, you know more about this announcement that Corey's expected to make, right?

MARTIN SAVIDGE, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, here is what we know. I mean, we have a clock ticking down 72 hours and you have to figure, if she says I need to make an announcement, it's probably going to be some sort of decision. Anything short of that would be extremely disappointing and troubling.

Because here is the thing. This community, especially Sanford, I know in conversations that I had with the mayor, they hoping to get some sort of official heads-up from her office so that they could plan, maybe bring in extra law enforcement, at least be ready to respond to whatever the decision is.

Well, it appears that's what she's done. She said, look, 72 hours, both to the media and now, of course, to law enforcement, to the city of Sanford, to everyone. Be ready. She's going to have an important announcement. We assume it means a decision either to charge or not.

Kyra?

PHILLIPS: All right, so, Martin, let's talk about the press conference where Zimmerman's attorney's talked. They actually talked about his mental state and whereabouts. Take a listen.

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HAL UHRIG, GEORGE ZIMMERMAN'S FORMER ATTORNEY: George Zimmerman in our opinion and from information made available to us is not doing well emotionally, possibly suffering from post-traumatic disorder.

For those who are engaged in the late Easter egg hunt, looking for him, you can stop looking in Florida. Look much further away than that.

(END VIDEO CLIP) PHILLIPS: So what are you finding out, Marty? What more can you add to this?

SAVIDGE: Well, I have to tell you, after doing this job as long as I have, there are a few things I consider jaw dropping anymore, but that was jaw dropping. I was stunned.

First of all, we thought that this announcement coming from the attorneys might be that they had worked out a deal where George Zimmerman would turn himself in and this is the big announcement.

But instead, it was the attorney's saying they lost contact with Zimmerman, that they were now basically resigning from being his representation, so all of us were taken aback.

And then by the amount of information that they were releasing, his state of mind, his possible whereabouts, he's not in Florida, long way away, on and on and on. I mean, we were just really shocked.

I reached out to a number of George Zimmerman's friends to get their reactions because one in particular was really surprised by the mental state that these attorneys painted because it seemed quite dire.

But then I talked to Frank Taffy and here is the quote that Taffy gave me. He's a friend of George Zimmerman. He said he spoke to George the day before yesterday and he sounded clear, concise and lucid, the exact opposite of what the attorneys were describing there.

So we've got this disconnect and we can't really know what to make of it. Kyra?

PHILLIPS: And we are also hearing from Attorney General Eric Holder as well. What is he saying now?

SAVIDGE: Keep in mind, there is a separate but parallel federal investigation that's under way. He said that is continuing. He couldn't talk too much about what has been uncovered because it's an ongoing investigation, but that we know that they are looking for any sort of civil rights crimes that may have been committed in this particular case.

Even, if Angela Corey comes out with her decision, it doesn't mean that the federal investigation, their possibility for prosecution, ends. That goes on.

We also know that there are representatives from the community services department of the Department of Justice. They are here to try to ease the relationship in the community, simmer down some of the tensions and act as a go-between on the local and federal level, so that's what he's referring to.

But, again, no indication on where their investigation is going.

PHILLIPS: All right, Martin Savidge, thanks so much.

I want to talk about the stunning development that Martin just talked about. Let's bring in our CNN legal analyst, Paul Callan.

And the stunning development is exactly what Martin just told us about George Zimmerman and the fact that the attorneys made this announcement that they are not representing him anymore. There's mixed feelings or mixed reaction to his actual state of mind.

What is your reaction to what we have heard today, Paul?

PAUL CALLAN, ATTORNEY: You know, I share Martin's observations that this is jaw dropping to see attorney do this. I start out by saying, first of all, I'm not even sure that these guys are his attorneys.

They basically said they have never had one-on-one, personal contact with him. It's only been telephone and while, theoretically, you can establish a attorney-client relationship over the telephone, it's very, very rare.

And here where you have a man who's the suspect in the most highly publicized murder case in the country, I would think you want to meet with your client before you hold a press conference saying he's suffering from mental problems.

So I'm stunned by it. I think it's -- I think a lot of lawyers would say it's not proper conduct by these attorney to be making any public statements.

PHILLIPS: Well, where would they get that information? It's possible they haven't even talked to him and they are getting that from somebody else?

CALLAN: Well, Kyra, there were news reports that they had never had a personal meeting with George Zimmerman and that, in fact, their only contact was by the telephone.

Now, we don't know where they are coming up with the post- traumatic stress diagnosis. Is it from talking to friends or from talking to him on the phone? I don't know. I haven't heard that a doctor is involved in the case.

I do know, if I were defending a man in a self-defense situation, I wouldn't want to portray him as unstable, mental case. I would want to portray him as somebody acting reasonably, acted in self-defense.

This presentation at this press conference makes him look unstable, makes him look like he has mental problems, will hurt him in any criminal prosecution, so I'm very surprised.

PHILLIPS: So let me ask you this. If you were advising Zimmerman, if you had him on the phone, what would you tell him and what would be the next step for him?

CALLAN: Well, Zimmerman is making an enormous mistake not sitting down with an attorney he has trust in to map out his strategy going forward. Obviously, there are a lot of people in this country who support him and he's probably raising money on this website that he opened up.

But I'm sure other lawyers would volunteer to represent him. But he needs legal representation and he needs a strategy going forward because there are a lot of forces that are mounting that look like will result in his indictment.

So he really does need to consult with counsel he trusts. Obviously, these lawyers, he didn't have faith or trust in them.

PHILLIPS: All right, let's take a minute to listen to what prosecutor, Angela Corey, told one of our affiliates, Paul, WJXT, about this case. She talks about probable cause. Take a listen.

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COREY: If you make an arrest on probable cause and you can't prove the case beyond a reasonable doubt then that's a short window of time that the perpetrator will serve in jail. We always try to work with the police to build stronger cases before we make the arrest.

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PHILLIPS: So what is she getting at here, Paul?

CALLAN: Well, what she's getting at is something that prosecutors everywhere know. When the police go out, look at a crime, they can arrest on a fairly low standard, probable cause, which is just there's more reason to believe you committed a crime than that you did not commit a crime, a very low standard.

However, when the case is presented to a jury, it's beyond a reasonable doubt. That's a very heavy standard, so what she's basically saying is, I want to build my reasonable doubt case here if I'm going to proceed with the case, and she's hinting, I think, that she's looking at building a case, a stronger case than a mere what she calls probable cause case.

PHILLIPS: Got it. Paul Callan, thanks so much.

CALLAN: Nice being with you, Kyra.

PHILLIPS: Likewise.

He just landed on the most wanted list, an alleged child pornographer who has the ability to blend in anywhere. We'll talk live with the FBI, next.

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PHILLIPS: He's tall, lanky, nice looking and a third grade teacher who is now filling the spot formerly held by Osama bin Laden on the FBI's Most Wanted List.

Eric Justin Toth is a former private schoolteacher and camp counselor accused of possessing and producing child porn. He's been on the run since 2008 when he was arrested after the sexual images were found on a school camera in his possession.

Then he vanished. Now the FBI need your help. Toth is 30-years- old and said to be a computer and social engineering expert. He may be advertising online as a tutor or male nanny. And he's believed to have lived in Arizona in 2009 and visited all the states shown right there on our map.

Joining us now, Kevin Perkins, the assistant director of the FBI's criminal investigative division. So, Kevin, let's start with what more you can tell us what you can tell us about Toth.

KEVIN PERKINS, ASSISTANT DIRECTOR, FBI'S CRIMINAL INVESTIGATIVE DIVISION: Yes, good morning, Kyra, and thanks for having us today.

It's very important that we utilize the public's ability to talk about Toth. Toth is a danger to society. The allegations made against him and the charges that have been brought are serious and they are the type of charges that could get him into a lot of trouble with our youth.

Toth is an individual that can blend in, as you mentioned. He's been a camp counselor. He's been a schoolteacher. He's the type of person that will blend into society and that's why it's important that the public take a close look at the photograph and try to see if they recognize this guy.

PHILLIPS: Kevin, describe how he operates. How does he get alone time with these kids? What is his M.O.?

PERKINS: His M.O. is he's -- you know, you don't feel defensive around him. He's an average guy. He's a schoolteacher. He's friendly. As you mentioned, he's very good at social engineering.

He develops and works on relationships not only with the children, but with the parents. He puts himself at a position of trust with the parents that allows alone this time with children.

PHILLIPS: All right. Besides his mug shot, I'll get to his physical description and the fact he might be changing his look and name.

Actually here is what I was looking for, the Most Wanted with all the different looks he's had. While we hold this up so folks can get a chance to look at this, look at his various pictures, what is your best guess on where he is and what he's doing now?

PERKINS: Well, Toth could really be almost anywhere as far as location goes. Obviously, we do know that he's been in Arizona. We do know he's traveled throughout the Midwest. He grew up in Indiana. I think he has some ties to that area, but he really could be anywhere in the U.S.

More importantly, it's what he's probably doing. It's more likely that the public is going to run into him in his professional role, whether as a schoolteacher, a male nanny, a camp counselor, someone counseling children. That's the important part, is where we're going to find him.

PHILLIPS: How bad have these alleged crimes been? You know, why do you want him so badly? He's number one on your list now.

PERKINS: He's a member of the list. We don't really rank one over another. But, that being said, what he has done and what he's alleged to have done, the charges brought against him involving child pornography, the production and possession of child pornography, is a very heinous act. It's a violent crime. It's photographs of children in compromising situations that just violent in nature.

PHILLIPS: FBI's Kevin Perkins. Kevin, appreciate it so much.

PERKINS: Thanks, Kyra. Appreciate it.

PHILLIPS: A second chance at life. A woman survives a near- death experience, falling 70 feet off a cliff. We're going to tell you about her comeback, next.

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PHILLIPS: Well, if you have ever seen a performance of Cavalia, you know it's a quite an equestrian spectacle, unbelievable stunts and acrobats on horses. And for riders like Fairland Ferguson, it was a dream job.

But a freak accident almost ruined her chances. Dr. Sanjay Gupta shares her amazing story in this week's "Human Factor."

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DR. SANJAY GUPTA, CNN CHIEF MEDICAL CORRESPONDENT: Fairland Ferguson's high flying career came very close to not happening after a freak accident almost left her unable to walk.

She and her friends were diving 70 feet off a cliff in Virginia.

FAIRLAND FERGUSON, SURVIVED FALL FROM CLIFF: I fell down the rocks and just fell and fell and hit and hit and hit and hit, all the way down until I fell into the water.

GUTPA: She lost consciousness and began to drown. Her friends rescued her from the water, but her bones were broken in 46 places and she had to undergo eight operations over six months.

FERGUSON: The doctors told me that because of the severity of how bad my left leg was, they were like, you probably will not walk again and, if you do walk, it will be with such a severe limp.

I respected their judgment, but I didn't believe it.

This one is super hard on my ankle.

GUPTA: Ferguson says she knew to overcome her injuries, she had to work hard in rehab, to be patient and to stay positive. FERGUSON: There are mornings I wake up and I limp to the bathroom and my leg hurts. When it rains, it's terrible. You know, stuff like that.

But it's almost like a reminder, just like, hey, remember where you were and so get up, get going and, you know, live this life that you have a second chance at.

GUPTA: Despite the pain, she didn't give up and she got back on her feet. Working toward her dream of performing, she turned her love for horses into a career, landing her at Cavalia, performing tricks like this one.

FERGUSON: Put your feet right here in these straps, the horse is running full speed, you really just thrust right up, legs are straight, ankles are really holding you in, and you smile.

GUPTA: Dr. Sanjay Gupta, CNN reporting.

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PHILLIPS: Well, you know him as this man, a pro golfer, wearing a green jacket. But did you also know he sings in overalls? Oh, yes. Bubba's got a side you may not know about. He's joining me next.

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PHILLIPS: So, by now, you already know Bubba Watson is the winner of the Masters. You know he's a great player. He's got a hell of a hook shot. Mm-hmm. There it is right there. But there's so much more to Bubba's green jacket and the 313-yard drops.

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PHILLIPS: Yes. Bubba left Boyz 2 Men and actually joined the band Golfers to Geeks. He looks pretty good in those overalls. And it just gets better. Word has it, he dumped the Dukes of Hazzard's Daisy and instead picked up this famous car, General Lee. Put him back about 100 grand, but you know, he looks good. Bubba definitely has character.

And in case you didn't know Bubba, it's not really his only nickname. Others know him as Whacky Watson. And probably after that introduction, you'll see why.

So, Bubba, I'm curious. How did you get the nickname whacky Watson?

BUBBA WATSON, 2012 MASTERS CHAMPION: I haven't heard that one yet. I guess you just made it up. I don't know.

You know, I just, I am whacky. I guess I am goofy and I just happen to be a golfer as well. I don't know. That might stick, too. PHILLIPS: All right. I'm going to go back and forth between serious and fun. Because I know folks who truly love the game just want to get inside your head for a moment. Let's go back to the 18th hole. You broke down when you were hugging your caddy. I got chills when I watched this. And then right after that, we saw mom come up there. And you hugged your mom and had this embrace.

I know you have said you have been trying to balance golf and family. So, at this moment, what caused your heart to overflow?

WATSON: The hard work. The hard work for the 25 years, the 26 years I've been practicing. The hard work my mom and dad put into it. My late dad passed away a year-and-a-half ago. The hard work that they've endured.

My mom got a paper route when I was in high school to have a second job to pay for me to play golf. To pay for me to travel, so I could travel across the world, across the country to play golf. All that.

Then half the Golf Boys, the other half of the Golf Boys were there to support me. They were on the green when I finished. I hugged them. Just for, you know, all the stuff that went on, right after I tapped in -- for all my sponsors who took a chance on me, for all my fans, for all my friends, all the people that supported me throughout the years. I mean, it all just came, making that little six-inch putt. It just came to me, and it meant a lot. Hopefully, they know this is for them as well.

PHILLIPS: You know, I haven't heard anybody ask you this yet. You know, right after you won, you tweeted "Glory to God." How did you become a born-again Christian?

WATSON: Oh, that's a good one. 2000 -- about 2000, my next door neighbor, just this girl, my next door neighbor said hey, you want to go to church with me? I said sure. I never went to church growing up. So, I'm 19 years old going to junior college. I went to church for the first time. You know, I listened to it. I went to church a few times with her, listened and thought about it, I gave myself to the Lord. I wanted to be a Christian. 2004, when I got married, I kind of went away from it when I went to University of Georgia. 2004 when I got married, two months later, me and my wife, who grew up in the church, got baptized together. And then I kind of went away from it again. But I grew more into it. My caddy yelled at me a little bit.

So, I have been getting stronger in my faith and reading the Bible more and more. All week, getting a new son, my wife and son being away from me at the Masters, I'm just reading the Bible. I didn't have my TV on in my room all week. I just kind of sat there and thought about everything going on in my life.

And then a whirlwind when I actually won on Sunday. So, it's just all this stuff, and it all came. And It's funny how it's God's plan. God's plan is always better than our plan. I've had chances to win earlier in the year, but I didn't. It's funny how he gave us a baby, gave us all this overwhelming stuff. But then somehow I won and I'm talking to you about it.

PHILLIPS: What a beautiful thing. You talk about your trust in God. You also have a lot of trust in yourself. You see that on the golf course the way you make your decisions. You have self-confidence with your skills and even more so, you have enough confidence, my friend, to play with a pink driver. I love that.

I remember the first time you stepped up to the tee. Of course, it's for a cause. You lost your dad to cancer. I know he was a remarkable man in your life. Did you feel his spirit there at the Masters? And what are you going to teach your little boy, Caleb, that your dad taught you?

WATSON: Whew! There's a lot of stuff. He didn't teach me much because he wasn't that smart. But the stuff he taught me was really well. He told me was, first thing, never to lie. He said the only thing you have in this life is your word. And if they can't trust your word, then you are nothing. He taught me integrity, taught me everything about the game of golf. He taught me how to be a great dad, a great husband. Taught me all the key things. And then a golfer, again, like I've always said, is golf is like, fourth on my list.

So, for me, looking back at this, my dad taught me everything I know. So, when he passed away, it was sad. I know he's going to heaven. It was a very sad moment in our family's life, but at the same time, I have to keep living. That's the one thing that really slows us down when we lose somebody is that we forget to keep living. I know he would want me to keep living and doing thing things I love to do and dream about.

So for him, yes. He was with me. He was with me when me and my mom hugged. Thinking about him. I know my mom was thinking about him. For me to be a dad and have new Caleb in my life, it's great. Seeing the highlights, I talk about him all the time. Seeing the photos we have taken of him. And know that his dad is in New York doing all this media stuff, traveling around doing media stuff, but all about celebration of him. It's all about celebration of him and talking about him and knowing he can see the highlights. And talking to you about him right now.

You know, it's just going to be a fun time. Also, let him enjoy the game of golf. Let him enjoy sports. If he doesn't like sports, we'll find something else he enjoys doing, and hopefully, I can support him wholeheartedly with that.

PHILLIPS: Bubba, I still have a couple questions. Do you mind just holding on for a second? Take a quick break. And would you talk a couple more minutes with me?

WATSON: Yes, for sure.

PHILLIPS: You got it. We'll be right back.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK) PHILLIPS: We had to bring Bubba Watson back. He's just too good of an interview. I'm curious, Bubba, if you weren't a pro golfer, what would you be?

WATSON: I'd take over your job.

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PHILLIPS: You know what? I would love to switch positions with you, my friend. I would love to co-anchor with you. I'd love to play golf with you.

You know, you said you never dreamed of winning the Masters. So, what did you dream about?

WATSON: Well, I mean I dreamed of winning the Masters, I don't dream about the other stuff. You know, the five-year exemption on tour, the media attention, the getting to play the Masters every year. You don't ever complete your dream. You don't ever complete (sic) that you are going to bawl your eyes out, that you're going to cry your eyes out at every media center across the world. You don't think about hugging your mom, missing your dad, seeing the friends that are smiling and tearing up. You don't think about that. You don't think about the fans that are cheering for you. I mean, there was thousands and thousands of people yelling "Go, Dogs." There was so many things going on you don't think about.

And it's overwhelming. That's what makes me tear up all the time. People are pulling for Bubba Watson from Baghdad, Florida. I mean, it's just amazing to actually be a part of this. I now have the green jacket on.

PHILLIPS: If you don't mind, I'm going to ask this question in a different way. You have been asked a million times over. As a golfer and as a woman, I got to ask you. If women could become members of Augusta - let's just say if they could -- what kind of message would it send to the golf world, and what kind of message would that send to golfers like me and to women that you respect and love like your mom and your wife?

WATSON: Well, the first message would probably be women pro golfers will never be members since men pro golfers can never be members. You know, but I think that it would send a message. But again, who would be the first? I don't want to make that decision. Who would be the first woman to be the member? That's going to be a special lady. I've always said someone like Nancy Lopez, who has done so much for the game of golf, ladies' game of golf, who's here.

Or you can go with some of the greats, the hall of famers that are not playing anymore that are still here. You know, there's so many different ways you can go. Somebody that's really influenced the game of golf in a good, positive way would be the route I would go.

Hopefully, it does happen. But you know, it's one of those things they have the right to do what they're doing. But yes, it is -- I think it would change the game of golf. It would help elevate the ladies' game of golf for sure.

PHILLIPS: You are elevating the game on so many levels. And I tell you what, Bubba, as we let you go, we lift you up. We lift your dad up and we lift up baby Caleb. Congratulations on all the blessings you have in your life. You so deserve it.

WATSON: Thank you so much. Thanks for having me.

PHILLIPS: You bet, Bubba.

Well, Rick Santorum is out. Is it time for Newt Gingrich to call it quits now? "Fair Game" is next.

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KYRA PHILLIPS, CNN ANCHOR: Rick Santorum is out. Romney has work to do.

Democratic strategist, Robert Zimmerman, and Republican strategist, Ana Navarro, are here to talk "Fair Game."

Guys, can Romney win --

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PHILLIPS: Hello. Good to see you.

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Can Romney win over Santorum's social conservatives? Because Tony Perkins, head of the Family Research Council, says hold on just a second. Take a listen.

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TONY PERKINS, PRESIDENT, FAMILY RESEARCH COUNCIL: People are not going to go over and vote for Barack Obama, who is the antithesis of the ideals that we embrace. But there's not going to be the type of enthusiasm. Unfortunately, I think this election is going to come down to the intensity factor. Who can most energize and enthuse their base.

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PHILLIPS: Ana, what do you think? Can Romney energize the conservatives?

ANA NAVARRO, REPUBLICAN STRATEGIST: I think so. He's going to win them over. He's showing his numbers have gotten better as the process has gone along.

Yes, there are some Republicans, including me, who have been unenthusiastic about Romney. We are very enthusiastic about beating Barack Obama. As of today, Romney is the nominee. He's the vehicle. We have to channel our enthusiasm. We have two choices, either we don't help Romney and help Barack Obama or we help Romney and try to defeat Barack Obama.

ROBERT ZIMMERMAN, DEMOCRATIC STRATEGIST: But for most of them, that's the problem.

NAVARRO: For most of us, the second choice is going to be clear. Romney is going to be the nominee. What he needs to do though, is lead. He needs to go big. He can't pander to evangelicals or to any group. He needs to show --

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NAVARRO: -- and we will follow.

PHILLIPS: Robert, go ahead.

ZIMMERMAN: Ana, that's his problem. The fact he had to pander to Tony Perkins, for example, and the Family Research Council that specializes in trades and bigotry towards the gay community and using the public to exploit prejudice, speaks to his great failing as a Republican nominee and the failing of the Republican Party. At this point, Romney, who is now going to be the nominee, only has 41 percent of the vote of all Republican voters in primaries and caucuses. And the extreme right wing candidates have gotten 59 percent. And so, the problem is --

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NAVARRO: Yes, Robert. Life is about choices and alternatives and on the other side is Barack Obama. So, you know, Mitt Romney looks better and better and better every day as we compare him to Barack Obama.

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PHILLIPS: Let me ask you guys about Santorum. I was talking to James Dobson last night. He said, call me an extremist? Why? Take a listen.

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RICK SANTORUM, (R), FORMER PENNSYLVANIA SENATOR & FORMER PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: They were all pro-life. They were all for traditional marriage. One form of another. I mean, they were against stem cell research. If you go down the list of sort of the life, marriage, social conservative issues, they were pretty much -- we were all pretty much in line. Yet, I was considered the extremist, which I found --

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PHILLIPS: Is it fair to call him an extremist, Robert?

ZIMMERMAN: You know something? He makes an important point, and it speaks to the strength of the Santorum candidacy where he was able to take a liberal governor from Massachusetts and drive him so far to the right wing that, in fact, Mitt Romney had to be even more conservative than Rick Santorum. Not just being against a woman's right to choose a safe and legal abortion, but Mitt Romney had to condemn contraception in many forms, in addition to which Romney had to endorse the Ryan plan, which ends Medicare for future retirees. Advocate deportation among undocumented workers. These are such extreme workers he had to take to appeal to the Santorum wing of the party. The difference is Santorum is authentic and Mitt Romney's biggest challenge is inauthenticity.

PHILLIPS: While I have you guys -- Ana, I'm going to have start on this -- potential Romney running mates, early favorites, Senator Marco Rubio, Rob Portman, Representative Paul Ryan, Governor Bob McDonald? Will it be one of these or do you have a wildcard? Ana?

NAVARRO: Well, you know, I think those are four great choices. We actually have a deep stable of great V.P. candidates and potential candidates. I have got my favorites among those four. I'd love to see the Senator from Florida be the first Latino on a national ticket. I also think Rob Portman is a fabulous solid choice who would probably have a great deal of chemistry with Mitt Romney and who comes from the important swing state of Ohio. Paul Ryan, to me, Kyra, I have to tell you he looks too much like a Romney son. I think it would be hard to tell them apart and people would think he's the sixth Romney son.

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PHILLIPS: Robert?

ZIMMERMAN: There's really two rules when you choose a vice presidential candidate. Rule number one is the candidate can do no harm. Rule number two is to remember nobody votes for vice president. In the past 16 presidential elections, the vice presidential candidate lost his or her home state 10 times. Even when it comes to voting in their home state, people are still voting for president first. I think Rob Portman out of that field really fits the bill best. You know, the problem is Mitt Romney still has to try to build support in his own party. When you're the nominee, you should be challenging -- talking to the country and challenging your own party to follow you.

PHILLIPS: Guys --

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ZIMMERMAN: Bill Clinton did that very effectively.

PHILLIPS: That's "Fair Game."

Robert and Ana, thanks so much, you guys.

A chilling story of a man who says he might be Charles Manson's son.

But first, there was the runaway bride, now the bogus bride. Just listen to what this woman in white is accused of doing. What lengths she allegedly went to pull off her dream wedding and honeymoon. According to the "Times Herald Record," Jessica Vega told people she was dying of leukemia. Her husband said she wanted to get married before she died, so thousands of dollars, gifts, free services, all poured in, from the dress to the wedding photos. Even their honeymoon donated. Now fast forward two years. It appears that Jessica's heartbreaking story may have been a big con, the cancer fake. So Vega just was charged with fraud and grand larceny. You know, lying about dying of cancer shows such a complete lack of respect and understanding for what cancer patients, survivors, and all their families really do go through. Jessica, I hope you're looking deep inside yourself and re-evaluating what you did. Meantime, your 15 minutes are up.

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PHILLIPS: The 12th and probably last parole hearing for Charles Manson getting under way this hour. Manson's very name conjures up so many horrifying images. But we found one man who believes he can call Charles Manson by a much different name -- Dad.

Here's CNN's Miguel Marquez.

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MATTHEW ROBERTS, POSSIBLE SON OF CHARLES MANSON: I live in uncertainty and chaos --

MIGUEL MARQUEZ, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Matthew Roberts is a haunted man. Is he the son, the spawn, of Charles Manson?

ROBERTS: It's like holy hell. It certainly does seem like it's more than just possible.

MARQUEZ: Roberts was adopted as an infant and had a normal childhood in Rockford, Illinois. In 1998, at age 30, he sought out his birth mother, a recluse living in Wisconsin, who told him he was conceived in 1967 in San Francisco where she met Manson at a drug- fueled orgy.

(on camera): One account I read, there were four men present.

ROBERTS: Yes, that's what I understand. Originally, that was what I was kind of looking at, there was about a one in four chance.

MARQUEZ (voice-over): Robert says he wasn't convinced his birth mother knew Manson until he began exchanging letters with prisoner B 33920. In those letters, Manson quoted things only his birth mother would know, stories about her early life.

So sure he's Manson's son, Roberts has twice tried to get a DNA match. The test though, inconclusive. Manson's DNA sample, contaminated.

ROBERTS: Unless I see somebody scrape a piece of skin off his ass and bring it to the lab, I want to know that I know. MARQUEZ: What is unmistakable is not just that Roberts looks like Manson. Here are two photos, both in their 30s. A striking resemblance, the eyes, noise, mouth, and forehead. But it is the way Roberts speaks and what he says that sounds eerily familiar.

CHARLES MANSON, CONVICTED MURDERER: Because every time you send somebody after me, they can't find me, because I'm not really there in your mind.

ROBERTS: I know what goes on in my head. You guys can only guess. I know what goes on in my head.

MARQUEZ: Even more eerie, the similarities between the two men run deep. Roberts is a militant vegetarian, pacifist, and considers himself an environmentalist. Claims also made by Manson. Robert's moved to L.A. in 1986, and, like Manson, wanted to be famous, a rock star.

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MARQUEZ: Roberts' band, New Rising Son, is pure rock and roll. Manson's music more folksy and, at times, downright weird.

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MARQUEZ: Today, Roberts pays the bills working at the Blue Zebra Cabaret in L.A.'s San Fernando Valley.

ROBERTS: (INAUDIBLE)

MARQUEZ: It's been accused of cashing on Manson's notoriety. Roberts says it's anything but.

ROBERTS: It's ruined my career. It has got me nothing but grief.

MARQUEZ: Roberts just wants to know the truth before the now 77- year-old Manson dies.

ROBERTS: If he is my father, then it would be nice to have laid eyes on him and been in person -- person to person with him once in my lifetime.

MARQUEZ: For now Matthew Roberts lives with a hope and a fear of knowing who his father is.

Miguel Marquez, CNN, Los Angeles.

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