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Supreme Court Hears Immigration Law Case; British News Corp. Scandal Reaches Culture Minister; Investigators Say Madeleine McCann May Be Alive; Planes Land in Crosswinds in Spain; Rubio Auditions for VP Slot; Marco Rubio's Audition; Gingrich To End Campaign Soon; Obama Looks For Iowa Youth Vote; 10,000 Fugitives And Counting; Marine Critical Of Obama Discharged; Baby Boomers Find Love Online; Deion Sanders Charged With Assault

Aired April 25, 2012 - 14:00   ET

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DON LEMON, CNN ANCHOR: The curse of the billy goat is real. Cheeseburger, cheeseburger. There's a billy goat in Chicago. All right, thanks, Suzanne.

I'm Don Lemon. Brooke is off today. A lot is happening this hour. We begin with the news "Rapid Fire" style. So roll it.

The Supreme Court takes up Arizona's tough immigration law. Republican governor Jan Brewer signed the bill into law two years ago, prompting the Obama administration to sue. At issue here, who has the power to enforce immigration laws, states or the feds? And there were a couple of surprises. We're going to take you there live in just a couple of minutes here on CNN.

Moving to the congressional hearings on Secret Service sex scandal, that scandal that's already cost nine agents their jobs. Here's Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano testifying before a Senate hearing, explaining what she expects of the agency's director.

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JANET NAPOLITANO, SECRETARY OF HOMELAND SECURITY: One was to make sure the president's security was never at risk. Two was to make sure that we instituted a prompt and thorough investigation into the actual allegations in Colombia. And three, what other steps we need to take for the future to make sure this behavior is not repeated.

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LEMON: Watch out for Newt Gingrich to end his White House bid. Gingrich was hit hard with five primary losses yesterday. Two sources close to Gingrich tell CNN he will bow out next week, probably on Tuesday, and throw his support to his nemesis in the Republican race, one Mitt Romney.

A hot day of testimony into allegations that Rupert Murdoch's media empire bribed British police and politicians. I want you to listen as the 81-year-old media mogul denies allegations he had an in with former prime minister Tony Blair.

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RUPERT MURDOCH, NEWS CORPORATE CHAIRMAN & CEO: I, in 10 years of his power (ph), never asked Mr. Blair for anything, nor, indeed, did I receive any favors.

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LEMON: The scandal forced the resignation of one high-ranking British official today. Plus, the country's culture secretary is under fire, with calls for him to quit or be sacked.

British police today announced that they have information leading them to believe Madeleine McCann may still be alive. She's a 3-year- old British girl who vanished on a family vacation in Portugal back in 2007. Well, today British investigators released this photo showing what McCann might look like now. Her 9th birthday is next month.

A New Jersey dad takes on what he calls "teacher bullies." Stuart Shaffetz (ph) put a wire on his 10-year-old son to find out what was going on in the boy's classroom. Well, his son has autism and can't speak. Listen closely to what the dad heard.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: (INAUDIBLE) Shut up! You go to see any books in the library or you just looking at sculptures? OK, Akian, you are a bastard.

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LEMON: Once Stuart Shaffetz heard that, he took his recordings to the Cherry Hill, New Jersey, school district and posted a video on YouTube. The district says the individuals heard on those recordings no longer work in district schools.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Pay your fair share!

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LEMON: That's protesters getting noisy at General Electric's annual shareholders meeting in Detroit yelling "Pay your fair share." Well, the chant stems from reports that GE pays no corporate taxes and hasn't for years. A GE spokesman says the corporation complies with tax laws and paid $2.6 billion in U.S. taxes last year.

Mirror, mirror on the wall, who's the -- you know the rest -- fairest, pretty, prettiest of them all. That would be Beyonce, at least according to "People" magazine and its annual "Most Beautiful Woman" list. Past "Most Beautiful" covers have gone to Julia Roberts, Nicole Kidman, and last year's choice was Jennifer Hudson.

We've got a lot more to cover in the next two hours, so watch! The showdown over Arizona's immigration law hits the highest court in the land, and the man behind it argues his case to me and answers critics live.

I'm Don Lemon. The news starts right now.

They call him "Tattoo."

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I have no course. I have to (INAUDIBLE)

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LEMON: A bounty hunter chases bail jumpers in New Orleans and warns if he comes after you, game over. I'll speak with this guy live.

A young boy is next on the list to get a new heart, when suddenly, police say his own father snatches him from the hospital. And...

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: My propensity for verbosity.

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LEMON: Russell Brand's invited to testify about drugs, and things get awkward.

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LEMON: All right, I've got a question for you. If the federal government fails to carry out one of its constitutional duties, can states step in? For all the emotion on the immigration debate, that's a question that's before the Supreme Court, of the United States versus Arizona.

Lots of folks gathered outside the high court as it heard the case this morning. Arizona and now a number of other states contend they've had to act on their own on illegal immigration because the feds have failed.

Here's a woman from Mississippi outside the Supreme Court.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We have got people that are hungry and starving that are U.S. citizens. We do nothing about it, absolutely nothing! But we allow them to come over and take our tax dollars. If they want to be here, go through the process. Go through the process. I have no problem if they go through the process. But jumping borders, I have a problem.

(END VIDEOTAPE) LEMON: CNN's Kate Bolduan with us now from Washington. Kate, you heard the arguments before the high court. How did that go?

KATE BOLDUAN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: It was a very interesting day in the courtroom. As you know, Don, but just to make sure our viewers are clear, we have this Arizona law that is meant to crack down on illegal immigration. The Obama administration is fighting that law, is challenging that. And the question of who should have -- who should be enforcing illegal immigration laws is the big question here today before the Supreme Court.

I'll tell you, from being in the courtroom, it did appear that the federal government faced quite a bit of an uphill battle and faced some trouble specifically from the conservative majority as it appeared they were at least somewhat sympathetic -- I would say, they seemed surprisingly sympathetic towards Arizona's argument, which could indicate that they're leaning towards upholding at least part of that law.

Most of the -- some of the most -- the toughest questions, Don, really focused on one of the more controversial provisions in this law, the provision that requires that law enforcement -- that they check people's immigration status if there's a quote, unquote, "reasonable suspicion" that they're in the country illegally, if they're doing so in the course of enforcing other laws, if this person has already been stopped.

So there seemed -- from some of the justices in their line of questioning, it seemed that they did have some sympathy and did think the -- the state, Arizona's, argument that where the federal government has failed, they need to step in.

One good quote that I heard from Justice Antonin Scalia. He said that, "What does state sovereignty mean if it does not include the ability to defend your borders." So there you're talking about where Arizona believes that it's facing an emergency, an economic and public safety crisis, because the federal government hasn't done enough to stop illegal border crossings.

So that was -- a lot of what we saw in the courtroom today was definitely very interesting.

LEMON: Yes.

BOLDUAN: And we'll, of course, have to see where they -- where they decide. That will come in the next couple of months.

LEMON: And that's true. And you know, there's an interesting twist to this because Elena Kagan, Justice Kagan, has recused herself from the case because as solicitor general, she took a side on it. And that means that -- that you've got eight justices here, an even number. And that means there could mean a tie. What happens if there is a tie?

BOLDUAN: It is unusual. It's not unheard of, but this is unusual. So now we're -- they're not talking nine justices hearing this case, they're talking eight justices hear this case because, as you said, Elena Kagan recused herself. She was involved in the early stages of the challenge when she was at the Justice Department just before taking to the Supreme Court bench.

If there is a 4-4 split, what that means is that the lower court ruling would stand, and that means, practically speaking, that the four controversial provisions that are in question before the court, including the one I just described earlier -- they would not -- would not be implemented.

But on the flip side, it also means that there wouldn't really be a precedent set here in this case, that the other states that are considering similar legislation, they could move forward with their legislation.

And bottom line, if there is a 4-4 split, it really means that this fight over this issue, this type of law, this type of action by states...

LEMON: Right.

BOLDUAN: ... this fight is going to be kicked off to another day and possibly another state.

LEMON: And what that means, bottom line, is stay tuned because we don't know what's going to happen.

BOLDUAN: Absolutely.

LEMON: Anything can happen. Thank you, Kate. We appreciate it.

BOLDUAN: Thanks, Don.

LEMON: Madeleine McCann -- remember that name? She was 3 years old when she disappeared in Portugal. Five years later, this is what police say she looks like now. London police are tracking new leads and asking police in Portugal to reopen the case.

And a man who tracks fugitives joins me later this hour. "Tattoo" talks about the danger of keeping New Orleans safe.

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LEMON: There was a time when the name Madeleine McCann was as well known as any celebrity name. She was a 3-year-old British girl on a vacation in Portugal who disappeared from her room. Her parents were just yards away.

Now, these were the images plastered everywhere. That was back in 2007. And British police believe this is what Madeleine McCann might look like today as a 9-year-old. They say a review of 100,000 pages of evidence indicates the child is still alive.

Let's go now to CNN's Max Foster. He is in London right now for us. Max, what specific evidence tells investigators that the missing girl is alive or might be alive now? MAX FOSTER, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, the Portuguese police are leading this investigation. They've closed it. So that's still the official case. But the British prime minister wasn't happy with that about a year ago, and he asked British police to look again at all the evidence.

And they got together all the Portuguese evidence, all the British evidence, all the evidence from private investigators. It's on something like 100,000 piece of paper. They've been trawling through it, and they've got a quarter of the way through and they say they've already found something like -- well, nearly 200 new leads which they want the Portuguese police to look at again.

And if we just look at this image -- this was released today in cooperation with the family, just to remind people that this case is alive in Britain, even if it's not alive in Portugal.

LEMON: And I'm sure we're hearing from the parents. What are they saying?

FOSTER: Well, their spokesman has been speaking and they talked about how they did work very closely with the police to come up with this image. And actually, they found it quite heartening, the whole process. They thought they'd be upset seeing the image, but actually, they found it warming to see her.

And also, Madeleine's mother has talked about how she can see both of her other children in this image. She can even see herself in it. So they've got it up in the home.

But really, the main reason for it, of course, is to jog people's memories if they've seen someone that looks vaguely like this.

LEMON: Max, You and I both covered the story back in 2007. You remember the parents were under a lot of suspicion then. Does what British police are saying now support the McCanns' statement of their innocence?

FOSTER: Well, it doesn't go either way, really. And certainly, the prime minister starting this whole process off very much behind the parents. And the parents want it reopened, the case, and so do the British politicians and British police. So there's this real a sense, certainly in the U.K., that there's no evidence against them anymore. That's all gone away.

And they want to, you know, really investigate what happened within the apartment after the parents left and before they came back because that's where the real gray area is and that's where I suspect a lot of this new evidence is based. You know, these 200 extra leads are based on that, I think.

LEMON: Yes. And you know, there have been a number of reported sightings of Madeleine McCann in the last five years. None of them have panned out, obviously.

FOSTER: No, but they always do get followed up. And there's a big private campaign behind the McCanns. They've got lots of money, so they do send out private investigators to investigate each time. And sadly, none of them have come up trumps.

This is their best hope, really, coming up with this image. You know, it's a very powerful image, isn't it, when you see it next to the last known public image of Madeleine when it was an official photo.

LEMON: All right. amazing what they can do now with technology. Thank you, Max Foster. We appreciate it.

Still ahead here on CNN: He is a media giant, but today Rupert Murdoch on the hot seat testifying about the hacking scandal involving his empire. And he talks about allegations that he got cozy with a world leader.

Plus, video just in of a wild landing. You'll see what happens next.

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LEMON: And now, more on those British hearings into Rupert Murdoch and his media empire. This is a huge scandal in Britain, amid claims Murdoch's News Corp. bribed British police officials and politicians. Murdoch's international empire stretches across the pond and includes Fox News and "The Wall Street Journal" in this country.

Now, let's begin with Murdoch denying allegations he had an in with former prime minister Tony Blair.

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RUPERT MURDOCH, NEWS CORP. CHAIRMAN AND CEO: I, in 10 years of his power (ph) never asked Mr. Blair for anything, nor, indeed, did I receive any favors.

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LEMON: But that is just part of today's action in London. The day began with a high-ranking official resigning after text messages reveal he may have leaked insider information to News Corp. Plus, the country's culture secretary is under fire, with calls for him to quit or be sacked.

Here's the culture secretary defending himself before the British parliament.

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JEREMY HUNT, BRITISH CULTURE SECRETARY: Transcripts of conversations and texts published yesterday between my special adviser, Adam Smith, (ph) and a News Corporation representative have been alleged to indicate there was a back channel through which News Corporation were able to influence my decisions. This is categorically not the case.

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LEMON: Got to love British parliament. There's a lot of yelling there, so much that the culture secretary, who is also in charge of the Olympics, had to sit down and wait it out. Once everyone calmed down, he continued until the next outburst.

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HUNT: However, the volume and tone of those communications were clearly not appropriate in a quasi-judicial process, and today, Adam Smith has resigned as my special adviser.

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LEMON: All right, make sure you stay tuned for more on this one. Tomorrow, Rupert Murdoch back on the stand.

I have some new video I want to show you right now. I want you to watch this plane. Look at that. Oh! Look at that thing! Pretty shaky. That is at an airport in northern Spain, and we're talking winds of 50 to 60 miles per hour.

Chad Myers, help us out. Not that unusual, but the video, right? It's not that unusual.

CHAD MYERS, AMS METEOROLOGIST: It's not.

LEMON: Oh, my...

MYERS: When you're in...

LEMON: When you're on that plane!

MYERS: It's a little bit unusual for America because...

LEMON: Oh, my God!

MYERS: ... they would say, No, let's change the runway. Let's go a different direction or send you to a different place. But the planes come in. They kind of yaw. They use the rudder in the back to make the plane crab. If you've ever walked -- or watched a crab walk, it walks kind of backwards, kind of sideways. And that's what these planes have to do. They have to fly into the crosswind, and then finally, at the very last minute, because those tires and those wheels only go straight, straightens out the plane, puts it on the ground and then hopes that it doesn't...

LEMON: Oh! Oh! Oh!

MYERS: ... tip over left or right so that the wings or the engines actually scrape on the ground.

LEMON: Let's look -- I love looking at -- look at that!

MYERS: That is...

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MYERS: When you're in the plane and you're looking out the window and you can see all the way down the runway, this is happening and...

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LEMON: And the plane...

MYERS: ... back and forth and back and forth.

LEMON: ... is doing this, right? It's, like, rocking to try to get...

MYERS: Well, at that point, the pilot is just fighting for control to try and -- using the ailerons, trying not to get the plane to tip or hit the one side of the wing. You don't want the wings to start gouging into the runway because bad things can happen if that ever happens. And also, obviously, the engines are hanging down there. You don't want them dragging along the runway, either.

LEMON: Yes.

MYERS: Good TV, though.

LEMON: There you go.

MYERS: You know, I can go on YouTube and watch this all day long.

LEMON: I can watch this...

MYERS: It's something else. It's a lot of fun to watch.

LEMON: Yes. I'd rather watch it than be on one!

MYERS: When you feel that, you feel the runway coming in and you get back to the -- see the captain at the end, go, Nice job, sir.

LEMON: Yes.

MYERS: Well done.

LEMON: Everybody's looking for those little bags in front of the seats in front of them.

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LEMON: All right. Luckily, I haven't been in one that windy. Thank you very much, Chad.

MYERS: You're welcome.

LEMON: Back here at home, as Newt Gingrich gets ready to drop out of the race -- that's right, Newt Gingrich getting ready to drop out of the race -- Senator Marco Rubio makes a big speech on foreign policy. Hear what he had to say. And then later...

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The more people I meet, the greater my odds are that I'll meet a guy that wants to have, like, a loving, warm, committed, serious monogamous relationship.

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LEMON: More Baby Boomers looking for love on line. Are they finding it? Is it working? Don't miss it.

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LEMON: It is only Wednesday, but a big week already for Senator Marco Rubio of Florida. On Monday, he appeared alongside Mitt Romney, the all but certain Republican nominee for president, and a lot of folks saw Rubio's presence as a potential audition for a VP slot.

Then late this morning, a major address at a big-time Washington think tank, the topic foreign policy. That's the turf of heavy hitters and heavy hitters only. Here's Marco Rubio wrapping up his speech with his vision of the globe.

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SEN. MARCO RUBIO (R), FLORIDA: ... a world where more people are free to grow their economies, free to pursue their dreams, free to become prosperous.

I left my last page of the speech. Does anybody have my last page? Did I leave it with you?

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LEMON: That was a little oops moment there. But in all fairness to Senator Rubio, he spoke at length on topics as grave as the AIDS epidemic in Africa and the conflict with Iran, the United Nations, and most importantly, the leadership role of Washington. And here's that conclusion.

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RUBIO: This is, indeed, the world America made, and it is freer and more prosperous than it has ever been. And it can be even better. As Americans, we cannot make that happen ourselves, but the world cannot make it happen without us.

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LEMON: All right, so big week on the national stage for Marco Rubio.

And with us now from Washington, our chief political analyst, Gloria Borger. Gloria, always good to see you. So let's see here -- talking foreign policy, often seen as a way to garner credibility. What might be going on here, I wonder?

GLORIA BORGER, CNN CHIEF POLITICAL ANALYST: You used the word audition. Look, I think Marco Rubio has been a serious senator. He's young. He's only been there just over a year. And I think post Sarah Palin, let me say, the calculation in terms of choosing a vice president has changed.

Mitt Romney has said ready to serve on day one as president of the United States or words to that effect. And I think that requires foreign policy credibility. And I think what you see from Senator Rubio, who by the way, is on the Foreign Relations Committee.

I think that this is an effort to show publicly and in a pretty big way his foreign policy expertise and lay out what I thought was a very inclusive bipartisan, with some criticism of President Obama.

But generally talking about how he sometimes agrees with Democrats across the aisle, how he's not an isolationist Republican that he's seen that trend in the Republican Party so very much a prod conclusive speech that lands to his foreign policy credentials.

LEMON: OK, so listen all this talk as we said about Rubio being on the, quote, "short list", right --

BORGER: Right, there is none.

LEMON: OK, I'm glad you said that. Like who has a short list -- is there let's hear CNN. Here is the short list, this person, that person. Has all this talk maybe premature after all? He would have to be vetted first by the Romney people.

BORGER: Right. I think we in the media have a short list. You know, or maybe we've got a long list. I think that the candidate has to sit down with Beth Myers who's running the show for him and it's a very, very complicated operation.

Because when you go to somebody and say you know what? Governor Romney is interested in you for the vice presidency, if somebody were to come to me, the first thing I would ask is OK, am I on the short list because I don't want to go through that whole vetting process unless you're serious about me.

So I don't think they're going to have a list of 40 people and ask 40 people to go through what is a very rigorous process. I think they're going through that now. And eventually, they'll come up with a list of people that they're serious about and then they will go to those people.

LEMON: And you know what, it hasn't been just Rubio. We did a segment a few weekends ago saying, you know, he has a bromance with Rob Portman. You see them out and you see him with Paul Ryan. This is the next one.

But while I have you here, can we move on, Gloria, and talk about Newt Gingrich because he's pretty much throwing the towel this morning? We'll listen real quickly and then we'll talk about it.

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NEWT GINGRICH (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: We're going to stay very, very active. We're working out the details of our transition and we'll have information for the press in the next couple of days.

But I am committed to this party and I am committed to defeating Obama. We will find ways to try to be helpful. I do think it's pretty clear that Governor Romney is going to be the nominee and we're going to do everything we can to make sure that he is in fact effective.

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LEMON: Gloria, the impact on his departure?

BORGER: I think at this point, there's not much impact. You know, I remember it wasn't so long ago we were all saying if Newt Gingrich gets out of the race, where will his support go? Will it go to Mitt Romney? Will it go to Rick Santorum?

Well, there's no Rick Santorum anymore. So I think the real impact will be on Newt Gingrich himself and it will be on what role he can play at the convention if any. What role he can play as a surrogate for Mitt Romney, and what role he could possibly play in a potential Romney administration.

I think the people in that campaign have reached out to Gingrich as they've reached out to Santorum even the governor himself. And I think they're going to want to be incorporate them in a Republican campaign because they represent those people who didn't really like Mitt Romney very much.

So they're going to be important in terms of helping to gather the Republican base together.

LEMON: Always a pleasure, Gloria. Thank you so much.

We go live now to Iowa. President Barack Obama speaking now. He's been talking to students. He's been on a tour speaking to students about extending the student loan program that helps middle income families. Take a listen.

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BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA: -- take out more loans and rack up more debt. The average student who borrows to pay for college now graduates with about $25,000 in student loan debt.

And in this state, it's even higher. Americans now owe more on their student loans than they owe on credit cards and living with that debt means you got to make some pretty tough choices.

It might mean putting off buying a first home or chasing that great start-up idea that you've got. Maybe you have to wait longer to retire or start a family or save for retirement and when a big chunk of every paycheck goes towards loan debt that's not just tough on you.

That's not just tough on middle class families. That's not good for our economy because that money that could be going into businesses is going just to service debt. And as I said, this is personal for me.

I know something about this because Michelle and I, we went through it and it wasn't that long ago. We've been in your shoes. We didn't come from wealthy families. We needed loans and we needed grants to get our way through.

And that meant that when Michelle and I graduated from college in law school, we had a mountain of debt. When we got married, we got poorer together. So we combined our assets and they were zero.

We combined our liabilities and they were a lot. So we ended up paying more for our student loans in the first few years than we were married than we paid on our mortgage each month when we finally bought a small condo.

We were lucky to land good jobs with a steady income, but we only finished paying off our student loans about eight years ago. Think about that. I'm president of the United States. It was only about eight years ago that we finished paying off our student loans.

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LEMON: President Barack Obama there using a line that he used yesterday, surprising some people that he and his wife, the first lady, just paid off their student loans eight years ago.

He has been going around. He wants to extend the program that cuts interest rates for middle income families when it comes to paying back student loans. We'll monitor that for you. If any news comes out of it, we'll bring it to you here on CNN.

In the meantime, bounty hunters go into places most people wouldn't consider tracking fugitives from justice who definitely don't want to go behind bars. They don't. We're going to talk to that man.

There he is right there. He's known as Tattoo just ahead. But first this, if you're looking for a place to relax and enjoy some quiet time, here's a list of the most peaceful cities.

That's according to the Institute for Economics and Peace. Cambridge, Massachusetts comes in first place, the Edison-New Brunswick, New Jersey that is second place and third, Seattle, Washington, but not so peaceful cities? I'll tell you that right after the break.

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LEMON: OK, before the break, we looked at the most peaceful cities in America. That's according to the Institute for Economic and Peace.

Now I want you to take a look at the least peaceful, OK? Detroit, Michigan at the bottom of the list with New Orleans, keep New Orleans in mind, New Orleans, Louisiana because we're going to talk about that in the next story.

Then Miami, Florida rounding out the bottom three cities. Here's what the survey looked at, four criteria, the number of homicides per 100,000 people, the number of violent crimes, incarceration rates and the number of police employees.

And I told you to keep an eye on New Orleans. Let's talk about this. It is a job where people at their worst do their best to avoid you, bounty hunting.

You're about to meet the man labelled the top all around bounty man in the "Big Easy," New Orleans. Here's a sample of what he and his crew do. You'll figure out who "Tat 2" is. Just look at his arms. Watch for his arms.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I got him! Taking him on foot.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Get on the ground, get on the ground.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He's running.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Don't move, dude.

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LEMON: That will get your blood pressure up. He stars in the reality show, "Big Easy Justice," which debuted on Spike TV just this month.

Tat 2, thanks for joining me, sir. You're on TV now. Don't be nervous. I heard you're nervous. You're a big time bounty hunter and you're nervous about being on TV. You shouldn't do that.

I have to ask you this. You've nabbed more than 10,000 fugitives in your 12 years of bounty hunting down in New Orleans. We did the math. That's like more than two bail jumpers a day. New Orleans has that many fugitives?

GENE "TAT 2" THACKER, BOUNTY HUNTER, "BIG EASY JUSTICE": We average right now. We average probably about five a night we pick up.

LEMON: Really? Is it -- is it -- is it worse since Katrina?

THACKER: It's definitely worse since Katrina. Basically when Katrina hit, basically everybody was displaced. When everybody was put back, the bad with the good, the good with the bad, the neighborhoods were put together and everybody was combined.

So then you took the neighborhoods that had the most crime and put it in the neighborhood that had no crime. So now every neighborhood had crime even more so than it did before.

LEMON: What's your -- I'm sure you had some pretty scary experiences. What's the scariest for you?

THACKER: I mean, we've been shot at. I've had my head split open. There had been several things that's happened since we've been doing this. But I leave it all in God's hand. Whatever happens, happens. I've got a job to do and that's exactly what I do.

LEMON: So Tat 2, you said you've been shot at. You had your head split open. In the little piece of video that we saw there, your people use guns. Have you ever had to fire it?

THACKER: No. Not as a bounty hunter, no. I mean, we fire it every six months to get trained, me and my guys that actually go to the range and we train. And I make sure that they're up on their training with firearms. Other than that, I don't think people really want to mess with us too much.

LEMON: Yes, so even though you've been fired at, you try not -- that's the last thing you want to do is use that gun, but you will use it?

THACKER: It's the last resort. But at the same time, you need to think it's their life or yours.

LEMON: OK. So listen, we think your job is all action. But bounty hunters, you know, they have to do a lot of talking to -- sometimes I think you're almost like therapists. Let's watch another clip and then we'll talk about it.

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THACKER: This drinking and driving he's doing is basically attempted murder. You have 18 charges. Do you realize they can throw you under jail with 18 charges? But you have to promise me you're going to try because if not, I'm going to do everything I can to get you into rehab.

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LEMON: You're like a counselor.

THACKER: Yes, sometimes we have to be. That clip right there was a guy that I actually went to high school with and now he actually has two jobs and quit drinking.

LEMON: Really? Do you think that you -- when you sit there and you sort of talk to them and counsel them, do you think you get through? Do you think you got through to this guy?

THACKER: I know I got through to him because I know him personally. I mean, I have known him since he was a kid. And different people have asked me about him and I actually did a follow- up on him after. And like I said, he's working as an electrician. He's working at one of the department stores and also he quit drinking. And everybody said that it did him a world of good.

And I mean, it is a psychological game at the same time. You know, you have to sometimes play this game with people because they're playing a game with you.

But with him, it was downright hones honest. I mean, I was telling him how it was and the way his life was going.

LEMON: People wonder, this is so dangerous, why you would do it? Do you make tons of money doing this?

THACKER: You don't make many tons of money, no. The more money you make, the more money you spend. You know, I mean, I've got the crew to pay for, expenses with the vehicles and maintaining equipment.

So, I mean, it's a lot of money out of pocket, but I think more than money, there's something more. You know, important than the money. It's getting the bad guys off the street and that's the passion that I got.

LEMON: Listen, I know what you do and we see it, you know, there in the show and in the video clips. But I know what you do is very dangerous. And in all fairness, nothing is as dangerous as what you did.

But when I worked in Philadelphia, I went to bounty hunting school and became a licensed bounty hunter. It's scary knocking on people's doors and surrounding their houses. You never know what you're up again. I just did it one time. I don't ever want to do it again.

THACKER: When you first start, it's scary. But when you've done it as long as I have and you rely on what you know the training you received. It starts to become an everyday thing.

And I've come to the realization that whatever is going to happen is going to happen. But if I go out like that, I'll be happy because I know at least I'm protecting the people that need to be protected.

LEMON: And you're doing what you want to do. Thank you, Tat 2. Appreciate it, man. Good luck. Stay safe.

THACKER: All right, you, too.

LEMON: All right, dating, dating, dating can be daunting for people at any age. So many baby boomers are turning to the internet to find that special someone right now.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I think it's less intimidating than going out there and trying to meet someone at a, you know, bar. (END VIDEO CLIP)

LEMON: Casey Wian has an in depth look at dating online next.

And just in -- news on the Marine who criticized President Barack Obama online. A decision has just been made about his future. That is next.

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LEMON: All right, this is just in to CNN. The Marine who criticized President Barack Obama online is out. The Marines say Sergeant Garry Stein has been discharged. Stein argued he made the comments on his personal Facebook page then quickly took them down. He has been discharged.

This week on CNN, we're taking an in depth look at the baby boom generation. Some have remained single while others are divorced and trying to find love and companionship again. I want to watch this from CNN's Casey Wian.

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CASEY WIAN, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Suzanne Forman is on a blind date to Todd Gradnick who she's only met on the phone.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I think I know you.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes, there's still quite a bit to get to know.

WIAN: Like many unmarried baby boomers, Forman considers companionship more important in her 50s.

SUZANNE FORMAN, SINGLE AT 55: I can't believe I'm 55. I still feel like I'm 20 or 30 something. I still have that energy. I still have, you know, that spark, but I do have a lot of candles on my cake.

WIAN: Introductions through friends and relatives haven't worked.

FORMAN: They kept trying to set me up with friends of theirs. Each one was just worst than the next. I was a vegetarian and one of the guys they set me up with took me to a Moroccan restaurant and ate raw meat next to me.

WIAN: So Forman and a growing number of singles are going online to find potential matches.

FORMAN: It's like being in a candy store.

WIAN: Staci Dansey is a 61-year-old real estate agent.

STACI DANSEY, DIVORCED AT 61: I can't imagine spending the rest of my life alone.

WIAN: After her marriage ended, Dansey's daughter-in-law made a suggestion.

DANSEY: She said you've got to get on one of those online dating sites. I said I don't think so.

WIAN (on camera): What was your concern about being on an online dating site?

DANSEY: I've heard horror stories.

WIAN (voice-over): Stalkers, scam artists and worst. Online dating sites say because they collect background information on customers, it's actually a much safer way to meet people. Dansey's daughter persuaded her to join "Our Time," a dating site for baby boomers.

DANSEY: It's just a numbers game. You know, the more people I meet, the greater my odds are that I'll meet a guy that wants to have like a loving, warm, committed, serious, monogamous relationship.

DR. GAIL SALTZ, OURTIME.COM: There's been a perfect storm of a growing number of baby boomers who are single with a growing number of baby boomers who are using the internet and discovering it's a way to be connected.

WIAN: A 2010 E-harmony survey found the internet is the most popular way for people over 50 to meet and marry.

GIAN GONZAGA, EHARMONY.COM: I've always thought that idea that the older generation is afraid of technology is overblown because they do seem to adopt it. And now adopt it in numbers just as much as everybody else does.

WIAN: Widow, Vange Leclerc and divorcee, Rob Foss met online in 2008.

ROB FOSS, ENGAGED AT 59: I had been married for so long I kind of forgotten the process.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It was scary.

WIAN: Both liked the idea of viewing and reading about potential dates before agreeing to meet.

VANGE LECLERC, ENGAGED AT 51: I think it's less intimidating than going out there and trying to meet someone at a, you know, bar.

WIAN: Dating after 50 is different.

FOSS: We each have assets now. And when I was in my 20s, I owned a stereo and a used car.

WIAN: But the results can be the same. Foss and Leclerc are planning a Hawaiian wedding this summer. Casey Wian, CNN, Los Angeles.

(END VIDEOTAPE) LEMON: Coming up, a young boy waits in a hospital for a new heart. In fact, he's next on the transplant list. But suddenly, there is a search for him after he's taken from the hospital.

Also, football great Deion Sanders sends a series of bizarre tweets. Did you see them on Twitter last night? Accusing his wife of attacking him. Well, she gets a mug shot, but today, we're learning that police sight Deion Sanders for assault.

Jen Hobby live in studio. She's going to join me next. Ready to talk about this, Jen?

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LEMON: OK, so billions of women on the planet, but according to "People" magazine only one is the most beautiful and this year that women is singer and actress, there she is, Beyonce. The 30-year-old superstar says she feels more beautiful than she's ever felt since giving birth.

The 16-time Grammy winner and her husband, rapper Jay-Z welcomed their daughter Blue Ivy in January. Other women in this year's issue includes singer, Adele, actress Esperon and royal Kate Middleton.

Earlier I said that it was Jennifer Hudson who was last year, it was Jennifer Lopez, a little slip of the tongue. Senior moment for me, happening more and more these days.

All right, also trending today, ex-NFL star Deion Sanders now charged with assault. That's right, a bizarre situation all around here. You may recall Sanders took to Twitter on Monday night, tweeting during an altercation with his estranged wife, Pilar, at the family home in suburban Dallas.

She was arrested and spent the night in jail on domestic violence charges. But Deion Sanders was not charged at the time. So what gives here? What in the world is going on?

Joining me now entertainment reporter and co-host of the morning radio, Jenn Hobby. JenN, explain to me what's going on. Why are these charges being filed now? Why wasn't Deion arrested at the scene along with his wife, Pilar?

JENN HOBBY, CO-HOST, "THE BERT SHOW": We're coming up with a he said-she said situation here. We know these two are going through a divorce, but living in the same home while it's all going on.

So that to me is a mistake number one in this situation. Her attorney has come forward now that she was released from jail saying that what he claimed to have happened didn't happen.

So he went to Twitter and was posting some pretty crazy tweets in the midst of this domestic argument and this domestic violence situation that went down and also included the children.

LEMON: Yes, there's a picture right there and I saw that on Twitter. People started, what's going on with Deion Sanders and I looked and those are the pictures. Why would Deion put that on Twitter, pictures of he and his kids? It just seems odd.

HOBBY: It does. Why would you involve your children? You know, so many Americans go through divorces. We all know that they can get ugly, but you can't involve the kids. It's just not right. Those kids will look at back at this time and say why did dad say that about mom?> LEMON: Actually, I want to move on and talk about this other topic. Topic number two now, which is Octomom, mother of 14. She's being accused of child neglect. We know police and social services visited her home yesterday after complaints saying there was only one working toilet in the home and the children appeared dirty. We know she's been struggling financially in recent months so what are police finding out about this?

HOBBY: You know, what we've heard is that the hairdresser went to her home to do her hair and took some photos on the cell phone while she was there and then contacted protective services saying that this home was squalor.

That this is not the right place for children to live, certainly 14 of them, now they did go investigate and they said that it was fine. They didn't find it to unfit for children to be there. But what it did say is that Nadya Suleman needs some help, 14 kids, all by herself.

LEMON: And one toilet. I mean, come on.

HOBBY: Right, she needs some help.

LEMON: Wow, interesting stuff. OK, thank you. Pleasure meeting you. It's our first time working together. Good info. Hope to see you around a lot more. We appreciate it.

HOBBY: Thanks so much.

LEMON: All right.