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Armed Standoff Outside Seattle;

Aired April 28, 2012 - 12:00   ET

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ALISON KOSIK, CNN ANCHOR: We have the latest in a tense standoff to catch a double murder standoff in Seattle. The fugitive, 41-year-old Peter Keller, believed to be holed up in a bunker in Seattle. He's believed to be armed and well-supplied. He's wanted in the killings of his wife and daughter.

Late yesterday investigators tried to force Keller out with tear gas. It isn't clear if the gas went deep enough in the bunker to have any effect. And SWAT teams say they won't force the issue by going inside.

In the words of one sergeant, there is no urgency, he said. We have him contained. Relatives describe Keller as a survivalist with a doomsday attitude. He hasn't been seen after the bodies of his wife and teenage daughter were discovered in a fire at his home.

A whiff of smoke and photos on Keller's hard drive led investigators to the bunker. Some people who knew the family are shocked. Others are angry. Here is Bob Robuck, has the story.

BOB ROBUCK, KIRO REPORTER: Well, a SWAT team came in here about a couple of hours, a fresh SWAT team. They had one SWAT team that camped out here overnight. They switched out. Now the new ones are back up in there. They are trying to get into this bunker. Let me tell you, Randi, this is a pretty tough bunker to get into.

It's built into the side of a hill, and it's a very steep hill. It's built right into the ledge, so it's very hard for them to get up to it. They have got the chopper circling around, the county chopper. It's been circling around all this morning, keeping an eye on things and dropping off supplies to this tactical team. They believe it's very dangerous.

They do believe Keller is in there because they did see lights on in that bunker last night, and signs that tell them there's some sort of life going on there. This is a tactical situation and they are working very hard to try to get in.

KOSIK: And, Bob, what about tear gas? We understand they tried it once. They weren't sure if the tear gas all the way in to him. Any word they may try that again?

ROBUCK: Well, what they did was they launched some tear gas in there yesterday. Nothing really seemed to happen. They believe that Keller may have a gas mask on. You've got to remember, this is a guy that has fortified himself. He's been working on this thing for eight years so he could have any manner of protection, ammo, gas mask, things to protect himself. I'm thinking they won't do that again today but they keep changing their plans as things go along, so you never know.

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KOSIK: Authorities say they will stay outside that bunker for days, weeks, however long it takes.

The Secret Service has a new code of conduct coming in the wake of the prostitution scandal in Colombia. The new rules say that agents on assignment in other countries have to act like they are still in the United States. Also they are forbidden from having anyone else in their room. There will be a list of places they have to stay away from and no drinking alcohol within 10 hours of reporting for duty.

Meantime sources with knowledge of the Colombia investigation tell CNN that Arthur Huntington is the agent at the center of the scandal. He's the one who had the pay dispute with a prostitute that brought the whole story to light. Huntington, we're told, has left the agency.

Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta says there's no question the U.S. is safer with Osama bin Laden dead. But he insists there's no silver bullet to completely eliminate Al Qaeda's threat. Panetta was CIA director when bin Laden was killed by U.S. Navy SEALs almost one year ago today.

He wasn't with the president and other top officials who nervously watched the raid play out from the White House. Panetta was at the other CIA operation center. He said there were several nerve-wracking moments before he got word the mission was a success.

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LEON PANETTA, SECRETARY OF DEFENSE: They said that they had KIA with Geronimo and confirmed, in fact, it happened. So that was the moment when we knew that all of the work that had been done was paying off. I think the one thing all of us feel pretty good about that were involved in this operation is that, as a result of what we did, America is safer.

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KOSIK: Republican Senator John McCain is blasting President Obama for a new election ad that questions whether Mitt Romney would have ordered the raid on bin Laden's compound.

In a written statement issued by the Republican National Committee, McCain said Obama should be ashamed of himself for turning bin Laden's killing into a, quote, "cheap political attack ad." McCain said the president is performing a shameless end zone dance to help himself get re-elected.

Now to the latest in the Trayvon Martin saga. A judge delayed a decision on increasing George Zimmerman's bond after it came to light that $5,000 in web donations were used to get him out. Martin Savidge breaks it all down.

MARTIN SAVIDGE, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Last week you may remember that George Zimmerman took the stand and apologized. This week now comes the revelation of the fact that he has raised over $200,000 online. This at about the same time his attorney had been arguing that the family was indigent, broke, they had no money at all.

As a result of this, the State of Florida has now come forward and said that the bond in this particular case should be raised, maybe raised significantly. The judge has three possible courses of action he could take. One is raise the bond, two is revoke the bond or the third is don't do anything about the bond.

Today he decided not to render any kind of decision because he simply says he doesn't have enough information. The judge wants to know where did the money come from, who had control of the money and when. Until he that has information, well, he decided to hold off on any decision.

After that hearing, Mark O'Mara, who's the attorney for George Zimmerman, tried to look on the bright side. He basically said, well, the newfound wealth does show one thing, George Zimmerman has a lot of support out there.

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MARK O'MARA, GEORGE ZIMMERMAN'S ATTORNEY: I'm also quite happy that there are enough people out there who felt it in their hearts that they wanted to support somebody like George and have given that much money.

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SAVIDGE: But Ben Crump, who is the attorney for Trayvon Martin's family, saw this money as indicating something else, that you simply cannot trust what George Zimmerman has to say.

BEN CRUMP, ATTORNEY FOR TRAYVON MARTIN'S FAMILY: He did not come forthright to the court when he understood completely what the court was inquiring about his financial status and his ability to pay a bond. And it went so far that his attorney inquired about that website. The special prosecutor's office inquired about that website over and over again. And they all wavered.

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SAVIDGE: In fairness we should point out that Trayvon Martin's family has also been raising money online, it is for a foundation that eventually will be used for advocacy work. So far the family says they have raised about $100,000.

KOSIK: A teacher at the center of a bullying scandal says she did nothing wrong. Kelly Altenburg is accused of being one of the teachers who verbally abused a 10-year-old boy with autism. The boy's father, Stuart Chaifetz, taped some of the interaction. Take a listen.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: What were you doing in the library yesterday?

AKIAN CHAIFETZ, STUDENT: (Inaudible).

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You looked at sculpture. That's what you did. Did you look at a book?

A. CHAIFETZ: (Inaudible).

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes. Did you go to see any books in the library or you just looked at sculptures?

A. CHAIFETZ: (Inaudible).

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Oh, Akian, you are a bastard.

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KOSIK: The Cherry Hill, New Jersey, School District said none of the teachers involved worked for them anymore. But Altenburg's attorney said his client's voice isn't one -- isn't one of the ones that are on the tape.

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ATTORNEY MATTHEW WIELICZKO: The point today is not to attack this -- the father of the student. I started the conference off by saying we respect his advocacy. But at a point there had to be a time when we said that the comments that he is saying my client made are simply inaccurate.

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KOSIK: And the attorney says Altenburg was transferred to another school district -- another school in the district but is now on leave.

All right. Some pretty dramatic testimony from the prosecution's star witness in the John Edwards corruption trial. Find out why Edwards' former aide, Andrew Young, testified that he feared for his life.

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KOSIK: There was some dramatic testimony in the John Edwards corruption trial last week. Edwards, former campaign aide, Andrew Young, is considered the prosecution's star witness. Young testified yesterday that he was so intimidated by Edwards and that he was, quote, "scared for his life."

CNN's Joe Johns has the story from Greensboro, North Carolina.

JOE JOHNS, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Recounting the moment he and John Edwards finally had it out and parted ways, Andrew Young, the top Edwards aide, who falsely claimed he had fathered a child with his boss' mistress and field marshaled the cover-up was now claiming he was afraid.

Young said he felt threatened by Edwards and feared for his life. He said he and Edwards went for a drive on a lonely North Carolina road. He said Edwards was driving erratically after learning that Young had received $725,000 from wealthy donor Bunny Mellon without telling Edwards.

Young said, "I was scared for my life. It was bizarre." Young told the court, "I said, if he won't tell the truth, I was going to tell the truth." Edwards responded to him, "You can't hurt me, Andrew. You can't hurt me."

Defense attorney Abbe Lowell asked Young if he had threatened Edwards with exposure of the whole story. Young said he and his family did everything that he, Edwards, asked us to do. "He completely abandoned himself from us, he walked away from us, and I was extremely angry."

Drilling down on the cost of shepherding John Edwards' mistress around the country while she was on the run from the media, Andrew Young admitted under cross-examination that he got hundreds of thousands of dollars more from two rich benefactors than he actually spent on Hunter's expenses. Defense attorney Abbe Lowell pressed for more.

Young said he had attributed expenses to Rielle Hunter that he actually spent on himself, or on his family, for lavish trips, on a Disney cruise, and trips to San Diego, Cabo san Lucas and Legoland. And Lowell continued to press on the issue of Young's dream house on 10 acres in North Carolina with a $100,000 sound system.

Lowell, pointing out that Young had gotten a construction loan to build the house and did not have to draw down on the money because he had hundreds of thousands of dollars in the bank from Bunny Mellon.

The cross-examination by Edwards' lawyer ended with Lowell quoting a line from Young's book, asking him, "Are you concerned that people will see you as a cold-blooded schemer, who was motivated by ego and greed or the desire for power?" Young: "Of course I'm concerned about how people see me." Lowell: "Isn't that exactly what you are?"

PROF. STEVEN FRIEDLAND, FORMER FEDERAL PROSECUTOR: The defense is now saying they are dirty, too, and that they're playing in the same sandbox.

JOHNS (voice-over): With the end of Young's testimony, his wife, Sherry, was called to the stand, who talked almost regretfully about how many different jobs her husband did for the Edwards family, "things he was never able to do for my family," she said. "I allowed him to do that."

The trial is expected to pick up next week where it left off, with the wife of Andrew Young on the stand. No word yet on when Rielle Hunter, the mistress of John Edwards, is expected to testify -- Joe Johns, Greensboro, North Carolina.

(END VIDEO CLIP) KOSIK: And this trial's an interesting one. So in about 10 minutes our legal guys are going to weigh in on the John Edwards corruption trial and give us their take on how the first week of testimony went, and what we can expect in the coming days, and why Avery Friedman is dressed in a tux. I have a feeling it's not because he's making an appearance on CNN this morning.

Baby boomers wanting to do more and make a difference. One man shares his personal journey to make changes in his community and how he found his calling.

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KOSIK: Top stories are just ahead, including the latest developments from the presidential race. Mitt Romney gears up for the political major league. And he's getting hard hits from the Obama reelection team, an in-depth look at the race ahead coming up.

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KOSIK: A lot of baby boomers who've led successful lives reach a point where they want to do more. Some have a calling to serve others. One of those who acted on that calling is Bill Bolling, founder and executive director of the Atlanta Community Food Bank. He tells us his story in this edition of "Age Against the Machine."

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BILL BOLLING, FOUNDER, ATLANTA COMMUNITY FOOD BANK: I'm Bill Bolling, and I'm the founder and executive director of the Atlanta Community Food Bank. And I'm 64, and will be 65 years old this year.

I knew I wanted to serve when I was a very young man. I wanted to try to make things better, particularly for people who didn't have a lot of power in their life.

The whole idea of a food bank is to collect unmarketable food and get it to organizations that feed the hungry. We have over 700 organizations that we serve throughout North Georgia. The idea of a food bank was just that there was a lot of food and there was a lot of needy people out there.

I was in the service for four years, joined out of high school when I was 17, spent almost two years in Southeast Asia and Vietnam. That's a very transformative experience, really came back questioning all the values and all the things I had been taught and had to go back through my own personal journey to find what was important for me.

As a baby boomer, and as one who grew up in the '60s, I think we were all rather idealistic back then and we wanted change, and we had a vision of how the world could be. I think some of us stayed with it. There's plenty of everything in our country and it really isn't right that some people go hungry. It's wrong. And I think we all have a responsibility to do something about it.

When we're young, we often ask ourselves if we're serious about our call. Because what are we willing to die for, what are we willing to give our life to? And I decided what the answer to that was. But as you get older, you have to ask a different question, and that question is what are you willing to live for?

There's a great quote by Howard Thurman, who says, don't ask what the world needs, ask what brings you alive. Because that's what the world needs, is people that are alive. You know, I really came alive when I started serving people on the street, when I started making soup.

When one decides to do this kind of work, this kind of ministry and this type of leveraging and making things better, you don't retire from that. You may change your role. Gosh, I feel like I'm just getting warmed up. I've just learned enough to really make a difference.

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KOSIK: Yes or no, would you ever donate a kidney to your boss, of all people? Well, a woman did and claimed she got fired. Our legal guys are going to weigh in on this case next.

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KOSIK: Some really compelling testimony in the John Edwards corruption trial from the prosecution's star witness, Edwards former aide, Andrew young. Young testified he felt threatened by Edwards and feared for his life.

So let's go ahead and bring in our legal guys to weigh in on this. Avery Friedman, a civil rights attorney and law professor in Washington and Richard Herman, a New York criminal defense attorney and law professor joins us from Miami.

What do you think about this latest revelation about being up against a millionaire and billionaires and he felt threatened?

AVERY FRIEDMAN, CIVIL RIGHTS ATTORNEY: Well, I think the truth is that Abbe Lowell, who has been representing John Edwards, handled it perfectly. We're looking at Andy Young. We are looking at Andy Young as a person who is cold-hearted.

He is untruthful. Believe it or not, I think at this juncture you have a guy more unlikable than John Edwards himself. So I think the prosecution's key witness right now is trying to make a point that I don't think the jury likes him. And I think the prosecution is going to have a very, very difficult time making his case, proving campaign violations.

I think this is simply a personal matter of John Edwards trying to hide what was going on from a much smarter wife, Elizabeth Edwards.

KOSIK: Richard, so does that mean that the prosecution's star witness is kind of fizzling out really fast and there goes their case?

RICHARD HERMAN, CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Yes, I really don't think so. And as we say in New York, with all due respect, Avery, you know, when the government stands up in their summation and says, listen, Andrew Young, you may not love him. We don't go to central casting for our witnesses.

This was the man John Edwards went to bed with. This was the man he wanted as his right-hand person in his campaign. This the man who will tell you the truth about John Edwards.

And the issue of whether or not this $750 or this million dollars was used to influence the election or was it used to cover up the affair and the pregnancy, well, doesn't covering up the affair and the pregnancy, wouldn't that have an impact on the election, had it been disclosed?

I think John Edwards is in big trouble. I think that this witness made his points. And I think that the prosecution is still standing very strong in a case against a man who cheated on his wife with a mistress while his wife was dying of cancer and tried to withhold it from her and the public. I think that's --

FRIEDMAN: It's personal. Richard, that's personal. That has nothing to do with campaign finances.

HERMAN: It has everything to do with a vote by jury.

KOSIK: Avery, let me --

FRIEDMAN: I disagree.

KOSIK: Let me jump in here, Avery, and ask you this. Do you think Edwards is going to take the stand? I think everybody wants to hear from him. If he feels so confident, do you think he's going to take the stand?

FRIEDMAN: Not, Alison, in a million years. He has he way too much to lose. Richard is going to agree with me on this. There's not a chance you're going to see John Edwards on the stand. He's going to have other very strong supporting witnesses. I think it gets down to the question of whether or not the jury says he was trying to hide this from a much smarter wife, Elizabeth.

This has nothing to do with campaign finance. This is an untested theory. Alison, I think the prosecution at this point is going to have some problems.

KOSIK: All right. Let's go ahead and switch gears to this kind of bizarre story, if you ask me.

There's a New York woman who was fired for donating her kidney to her boss. So Debbie Stevens is suing her former boss and former employer. Stevens says her boss asked her to donate the kidney. She was later fired.

The company says Stevens' claims are baseless, that she was treated fairly. But she said, no way. I donated this kidney and then I came back to work and they were mean to me and fired me. What do you say about this, Richard? HERMAN: I think that this case is ridiculous. This woman was living in Florida, she came back to New York, decided to stop off at her former employer, had a brief conversation with one of her employers there, eventually made a decision on her own to donate a kidney to help her employer. There was no quid pro quo, had nothing to do with her employment there.

She donated it to a kidney bank so her boss could move up on the ladder as a recipient. She was hired and she was fired for cause. This case is going nowhere. These threats of discrimination and everything else are all ridiculous. And it's just -- it's --

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HERMAN: -- it's absolutely ridiculous. This case is going nowhere.

FRIEDMAN: Take it easy.

KOSIK: Avery, what do you say about it?

FRIEDMAN: Well, you know, look, the difficulty here is that the employee is characterized, has couched her claim in civil rights laws. The problem is, she's not disabled. She doesn't even have standing to bring a civil rights case.

If she were disabled the employer has an obligation to reasonably accommodate. But because she was not disabled this was given fair and square -- I hate to agree with Richard on this, he's absolutely right. Under the civil rights laws, the case is going absolutely unfortunately, going absolutely nowhere.

KOSIK: All right. So I have to put this out there. Atlantic Automotive, that's the company that these women worked for. They put out a statement saying, it is unfortunate that one employee has used her own generous act to make up a groundless claim.

You know, one thing I have a question about is where is the proof. She says that this kidney was given for a certainly reason. But are there any emails? Is there anything written down?

FRIEDMAN: Nothing. There isn't. And that's the problem here. And it was only after she went to a psychiatrist, who advised her to bring litigation here -- she should have gone to the psychiatrist before she donated this kidney. Now she's --

HERMAN: (Inaudible) talked to a lawyer first, actually, I think.

FRIEDMAN: -- in a jam, yes.

KOSIK: Avery, before we go, I want to know, did you put that tux on for me today?

FRIEDMAN: Well, you know, apparently there is some kind of dinner here tonight. The reason I did is Lindsay Lohan is going to be here, who is Richard's favorite, favorite. So I'm going to spend all night trying to explain why he beat up on her for all these months. I believe in her redemption. But, yes, there's a little bit of a dinner tonight and I get to go.

KOSIK: Well, enjoy it. And just so you know, we're going to be carrying the dinner 9:30, 10 o'clock right here on CNN, if those of you aren't going to be there. So it's going to be --

HERMAN: Well, you look great, Avery.

FRIEDMAN: You look great, too, Richard.

HERMAN: Thank you.

KOSIK: All right. Thanks so much. OK. You guys are going to be back in 20 minutes to talk about a mom who has just had enough, enough of her 31-year-old daughter, who's crashing on her couch. Now she's suing to get her evicted.

Mitt Romney gears up for the major leagues of presidential politics. That's coming up.

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KOSIK: Top stories now. We begin near Seattle with a tense standoff to catch a fugitive wanted in connection with the murders of his wife and teenage daughter.

Forty-one-year-old Peter Keller is believed to be holed up inside a homemade bunker. He's believed to be well armed and well supplied. (Inaudible) yesterday investigators tried to force Keller out with tear gas. SWAT team's saying they won't force the issue by going inside.

The Secret Service now has a new code of conduct in the wake of the prostitution scandal in Colombia. Foreigners are banned from Secret Service hotel rooms, except for hotel staff and government officials on official business. Agents have to stay away from a list of places considered off-limits, including non-reputable establishments. And no drinking alcohol within 10 hours of reporting for duty.

It's known as the "nerd prom," but don't expect to see people with pocket protectors and calculators, the annual White House Correspondents' Dinner is strictly A-list, a mix of power players from Washington and Hollywood. Comedian Jimmy Kimmel had this to say about hosting the big event.

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JIMMY KIMMEL, COMEDIAN: Obviously the Secret Service thing is something that I'm going to talk about but I'm not necessarily going to do 30 jokes about it. I'll probably stop at 22.

We're in the White House. I've never been in the White House before. I probably will never be asked back either. But it's really very cool, actually.

(END VIDEO CLIP) KOSIK: And CNN will be at that dinner. So tune in to CNN tonight. We're going to have live coverage of the dinner beginning at 9:30 p.m. Eastern.

The presidential race enters a whole new phase now that Mitt Romney has assumed the roll of presumptive Republican nominee. He now goes head to head with President Obama, a much different competition than he's ever faced before. Here is CNN national political correspondent Jim Acosta.

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JIM ACOSTA, CNN NATIONAL POLITICAL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Hours before Mitt Romney met with college students in Ohio for an event on financial aid...

MITT ROMNEY (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: As an English major your options are you had better go to graduate school, all right?

ACOSTA: ... Democratic operatives were emailing out to reporters this link, to the recovery.gov Web site, showing Romney's choice for a campus, Otterbein University, had received $80,000 in stimulus money for, what else, financial aid.

It was another reminder of the difficult task ahead for Romney in taking on an incumbent president with whip smart political team. Though billed as official visits, Mr. Obama's campaign-style stops to hammer the Republicans on student loans earlier this week not only got the jump on Romney, but seemed to be getting under the skin of House Speaker John Boehner.

REP. JOHN BOEHNER (R-OH), SPEAKER: People want to politicize this because it's an election year. But, my God, do we have to fight about everything?

ACOSTA: Former White House adviser and CNN political contributor David Gergen says Romney is in for a whole new ball game.

DAVID GERGEN, CNN POLITICAL CONTRIBUTOR: He's been playing in the AAA league here against some of these opponents on the Republican side. Now he's moved up to the major leagues. Because he's got to learn to hit major league pitching. It has been surprising how rapidly they have come at him. They want to keep him on the defensive, and especially in the bin Laden stuff.

BILL CLINTON, 42ND PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: That's one thing George Bush said that was right. The president is the decider-in- chief.

ACOSTA: Consider Bill Clinton's comments on the killing of Osama bin Laden in the new Obama re-election ad.

CLINTON: He took the harder and the more honorable path, and the one that produced, in my opinion, the best result.

ACOSTA: It was a continuation of the carpet-bombing from Vice President Joe Biden.

JOE BIDEN, VICE PRESIDENT: We can't say for certain what Governor Romney would have done.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Who do you want answering the phone?

ACOSTA: All of the sudden it's as if Mr. Obama is turning around Hillary Clinton's old "3:00 a.m." question and aiming it at Romney.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: What makes Barack Obama happy? Newt Gingrich's baggage. Newt has more baggage than the airlines.

ACOSTA: Presumptive GOP nominee and his allies at the pro-Romney super PAC aren't dealing with baggage. As the new ad from Karl Rove's super PAC puts it, the Republican mission this election year is taking down a celebrity president.

(on camera): There's also a sense of frustration in a memo released by Romney campaign manager Matt Rhoades, who compared the president's re-election team to a lawn sprinkler, quote, "spewing out attacks in seemingly random directions hoping to get somebody wet." By the looks of it, the Obama campaign is nowhere near running out of water.

Jim Acosta, CNN, Washington.

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KOSIK: And Meteorologist Reynolds Wolf is with us now. I'm hearing that there was an earthquake in Southern California?

REYNOLDS WOLF, AMS METEOROLOGIST: There was, indeed. It was 4.1, it was near Rancho Cucamonga. But thankfully no severe damage. A couple of aftershocks, there is one around a 2.0. And I'll tell you, it's right along the San Andreas Fault. If you happen to live in Southern California, you're very well aware that that does happens from time to time. But if you're like me from Alabama, it's a big deal, seems pretty big.

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KOSIK: So there's this mom and she said she has just has enough of her 31-year-old daughter who is living with her, so she's taking her to court to kick her out. So wants to get her evicted. So our legal guys are standing by right now. They can't wait. Can you see them? They're clicking their heels there. They can't wait to weigh on this, coming up next.

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KOSIK: The U.S. Supreme Court heard arguments this week on Arizona's controversial immigration law. It requires police to check the immigration status of people they stop for any reason. A handful of other states have already passed similar laws. So this case is going to be watched very closely.

Our legal guys, they are back. Avery Friedman, he's in Washington, and Richard Herman is in Miami. Hello to you again.

Avery, you first. So this is interesting because this is getting surprising support from quite a few of the Supreme Court justices.

AVERY FRIEDMAN, CIVIL RIGHTS ATTORNEY: Yes. This is striking, Alison. We have 70 years of precedent dealing with the Supremacy Clause. That means immigration is not supposed to be monkeyed around with by the Supreme Court -- or by the states, I should say.

But let me tell you something, both the conservatives and the Republicans -- the conservatives and liberals on the court today lambasted the solicitor general. And let me tell you something, my prediction is that many of the provisions of the Arizona immigration law, for me, and it's troubling, will be upheld. And I think that's a radical change in American constitutional law. Very troubling.

KOSIK: Richard, what do you think?

RICHARD HERMAN, LAW PROFESSOR: If I hear and listen carefully, I remember when we discussed this originally. Avery was, oh, there's no way this is going for hold up.

FRIEDMAN: That's right.

HERMAN: And I said, well, some of the provisions are consistent with federal law. They have a shot. That's exactly how the court is perceiving this. When Judge Sotomayor, a liberal, looks at the government attorney and says, your position is not selling, that spells big trouble.

When a justice says to the government's attorney, what's wrong? You mean the feds don't want to know about illegals? That's big trouble. Avery is right. Parts of this law are going to be held constitutional at this point in time, Alison. There will be additional challenges down the road against these very same provisions.

But I believe this bench is going to ratify certain provisions of the law which mandate that if you get stopped you must turn over papers, if you don't or you don't have papers, you're going to be detained and handed over to the feds. That's going to hold up.

KOSIK: But let me ask you this, let me throw this out there. How enforceable is this law? I mean, think about how police departments even all across the country, let alone Arizona, are dealing with huge budget issues. Do they even have the staff to deal with this? Do they have the -- you know, the amount people, and then, of course, everything else that follows once you, let's say, find an illegal immigrant who needs to be deported?

FRIEDMAN: Yes, that's a brilliant question, because -- and I've represented police officers over the decades. They have too much to do. The idea that they are now out there taking a guess on who is illegal and who isn't illegal is just going to complicate things. I think that falls under the argument.

Let me tell you something. If the U.S. Supreme Court upholds some of these provisions, watch for Congress to come back, revisit, to write a better law, a stronger law. There's no way that Arizona law can stand.

And if the Supreme Court blows it up, look for Congress to act here.

HERMAN: Alison, we're talking about Arizona and what the police will do in Arizona. No state more than Arizona is having a problem with this illegal immigration. The police will enforce it there. It will not be a problem in Arizona.

FRIEDMAN: I don't agree.

KOSIK: Why not? Go ahead. Go ahead.

FRIEDMAN: Well, because you've got 2 million Hispanic people, about 80 percent of whom are legal and have a right to be there. They are the ones who get harassed.

HERMAN: They don't have a problem then.

FRIEDMAN: And they are the ones that Congress has to protect.

KOSIK: All right. Let me make the hard right turn here to this interesting story. So this mom is suing to evict her daughter -- actually the daughter is out already. But what she did, this woman, she lives in Windsor Locks, Connecticut. She only wants to be identified as Diane. She had a 31-year-old daughter living with her, kind of just hanging out there.

She didn't ask the daughter to pay rent or sign a lease. She wanted her to help out around the house, wash the dishes, clean one bathroom, in exchange for a free place to stay. Now this daughter would not leave. In fact, she had her locks changed on her own bedroom at one point.

So what this mom had to do, she had to get up and go to court to get this daughter evicted. Now obviously this doesn't help the relationship much. But, you know, a lot of parents in these economic tough times, Richard and Avery, are finding that this is something they can relate to. Is this what parents have to do if they have kind of got these kids who are just kind of shacking up and not helping out?

HERMAN: You know, the standard is, is the person a guest or are they a tenant? If the determination is made that they are a tenant, the parents actually have to begin eviction proceedings. It's run state by state. Here in Connecticut, the woman, the mother had no choice but to bring formal eviction proceedings against her daughter.

Alison, you said it. What does that for the relationship? That's a dead relationship now.

FRIEDMAN: Well, the truth is in 1997 the Connecticut courts have said that they have a right -- the mom does have a right to get rid of the daughter. It's an outrageous situation, I can't believe you have got to go to court, I would think they could eject her. By the way, I need to clarify one thing, Alison, if I knew like today was an important day like your birthday I would have worn a tux, this is for the White House Correspondents' Dinner. But it's not your birthday, is it?

(CROSSTALK)

HERMAN: Are we going to sing for her?

KOSIK: Oh, if you sing to me, I'll tell you whether it's my birthday or not. Yes, it is my birthday, but now you have to go ahead and sing.

(SINGING, "HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO YOU")

KOSIK: Let's go back to the case real fast. Let me ask this. Is that really the only step that someone can take if the kid's just not doing their part in the house? Is there anything else that can be done?

FRIEDMAN: Yes, what they can do frankly is if they are not a tenant, they are a guest, especially if they are engaging in criminal behavior, which was exactly right here, like any other guest the owner of the house can call the police, they can be removed. There is no required eviction procedure.

And let me tell you something, that goes on a lot more in this country than you might imagine. This is not landlord-tenant, out she goes. So she's finished.

HERMAN: As a guest. If she's a guest, when she goes out to the store, goes shopping, take all of her stuff, put it on the front lawn, bolt up the house, and that's how it goes.

KOSIK: Just like a movie, isn't it? A really bad movie, if you ask me.

FRIEDMAN: Well, yes. You're not living with your mother. So it's a whole different story.

KOSIK: Thank goodness.

HERMAN: Or are you?

KOSIK: No, I'm not. No, no, no.

FRIEDMAN: Good.

HERMAN: Good.

KOSIK: All right. Thanks so much. It's been great.

FRIEDMAN: Happy birthday, Alison.

HERMAN: All the best, Alison.

KOSIK: You too, thank you. Thank you.

A brave woman puts her life on the line. We're going to take you to Haiti and introduce to you a "CNN Hero" and her mission.

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KOSIK: "CNN HEROES" is a chance for us to bring you incredible stories of people overcoming hardships to help others. This week we're introducing you to a woman who is facing death threats because she's trying to stop the violent rapes of women, children, even babies.

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MALYA VILLARD-APPOLON, "PROTECTING THE POWERLESS" (through translator): Two years after the earthquake, the situation is still the same. The people are under the tents. They don't have electricity. There is no security where they sleep. They are getting raped. In Haiti, things are very difficult. Before the earthquake there were rapes happening. Now I can say it is total disorder.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: They raped me January 15th, 2010

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I was raped several times. It is very common. Even one-and-a-half-year-old babies are raped.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: After January 12th, 2010, this little child, my granddaughter, wasn't even 6 years old yet, and she was raped.

VILLARD-APPOLON: Adults are not spared, mothers are not spared, even babies are not spared. My name is Malya Villard-Appolon. I am a victim of sexual violence. I'm on a mission to eradicate this issue so that other Haitian women do not fall victim.

We do awareness in the camps. We were working in 22 camps after the earthquake. Now we are trying to work in others. We tell people to come out of silence, do not be afraid to say that you have been victimized.

We offer psychological and legal support. We have a call center. We accompany the victim to the hospital. And we have a safe house program. For me, the first thing is justice that I want. I was a victim and I did not find justice. But I know I will get it for other women that are victims.

We have to fight so we can say what was said in the past. Beloved Haiti. This is a great mission. There will be a change.

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KOSIK: And remember, all "CNN HEROES" are picked from your suggestions. Send your ideas to cnnheroes.com and nominate your hero.

They were on the same ticket in 2008, but now John McCain and Sarah Palin are on opposite teams, at least when it goes to the Indiana Senate race. (COMMERCIAL BREAK)

KOSIK: This is an unbelievable close call that no doubt is going to send shivers up your spine. Take a look at this, a little girl in China runs across a busy street by herself right into the path of a huge truck. She gets trapped underneath the truck. But amazingly she walks away with only minor injuries.

There's a manhunt under way in Denver. Police are looking for two suspects from a violent robbery this week. This is new surveillance video of the robbery Thursday night. The suspects demanded the clerk open the cash register and shot him at close range in the arm. Then they fired a couple of shots at customers in the store before leaving. None of the customers were hurt. Police say the pair may be responsible for a string of recent robberies.

Hot off the "Political Ticker," President Obama is promoting his new plan to protect military vets against schools that use misleading recruiting practices. In his weekly address the president said some for-profit colleges take advantage of this by pressuring them to enroll.

He says his new plan provides vets with information about their educational options and how to pay for them. Republicans focus their weekly address on the federal budget. House Budget Committee Chairman Paul Ryan criticized President Obama and Democrats in the Senate for not passing a budget in several years.

Senator John McCain and former Governor Sarah Palin shared the Republican presidential ticket in 2008, but today they are divided on Indiana's Republican Senate race. McCain is backing incumbent Senator Richard Lugar, and Palin is supporting State Treasurer Richard Mourdock.

A rough few days at London's Heathrow Airport is making people wonder, hmm, will the city really be ready for the Summer Olympic rush?

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KOSIK: Checking top stores stories now, fresh violence across Syria has left at least 13 people dead according to opposition activists. As the clashes raged there, there were reports Lebanese military forces seized weapons bound for Syrian rebels. The weapons and the attack are just another blow to a shaky cease-fire meant to end 13 months of unrest.

Long lines, three-hour wait times for people arriving at London's Heathrow Airport. The delays, they are raising concerns about the city's readiness for the Summer Olympics. British airport officials admit delays over the past few days have been unacceptable, but they do say it's up to the government to act.

The head of the U.K.'s border force says the agency will be ready for the extra demand during the games.

Coming up in the next few hours on CNN, at 2:00 someone in your family have any student loans to pay off? We're going to have some tips on getting the loans under control and what you can do to help.

And coming up at 3:00 in medical news, how snoring and sleep apnea can be more dangerous than you think.

But first, "YOUR MONEY" starts right now.