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SWAT Team Finds Body of Suspected Murderer in Bunker; John Edwards Trial Continues; Financial Planner Gives Advice about Student Loans; Volcano Erupts in Mexico; Man Discovers He was Reported Missing as Child; Nobel Peace Prize Winner Discusses Micro-Lending
Aired April 28, 2012 - 14:00 ET
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ALISON KOSIK, CNN ANCHOR: You're in the CNN Newsroom where the news unfolds live on this Saturday, April 28th. I'm Alison Kosik in for Fredricka Whitfield.
A tense standoff between an armed murder suspect and SWAT teams is over near Seattle. Police say a body was found in a bunker where the suspect was holed up, and they think it is this man, Peter Keller. We're about to show you his face there. I have Sergeant Cindi West of the King County Sheriff's Office on the phone with me. Cindi?
CINDI WEST, KING COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE: Good afternoon.
KOSIK: The standoff was going on for hours and hours. When did police finally enter the bunker?
WEST: About 9:15 our SWAT teams used an explosive in breach the roof that enabled them to get enough had a view where they could see in. They saw a body. They were able to get in there and find the person that appears -- we believe it's Keller. And it appears as though he's been dead for some time.
KOSIK: What did it look like inside that bunker? What was in there?
WEST: Well, we haven't actually been able to go in and do a thorough search at this point. We still believe that it's possibly booby traps, maybe exclusives because his mentality. And we want to make sure it's safe to enter. Our bomb dispose's unit will slowly take their time to go in and clear the bunker before we'll actually go in to do a good search.
KOSIK: Are you aware of any exits built into this bunker?
WEST: From what I understand, he had a main entrance and it appears to be a, some type of escape or back door.
KOSIK: Can you maybe talk about maybe the dimensions of it? How large is this thing? How deep does it run?
WEST: I'm told it's about 20 feet in length and possibly three tiered. It looks like there's a main level a couple other levels that go out into the mountainside. So it's pretty elaborate. He's been working ton, to our knowledge, since 2004. We have photographs from 2004 to present date showing various stages of construction. And as you know probably from yesterday we attempted to breach it many times using tear gas and different items and had difficulty. So it was fortified heavily.
KOSIK: What kind of weapons did he have with him?
WEST: I can't tell you right now. We know there was a handgun found next to him. We won't be able to get in and search to find out exactly what he had until we make sure it's safe.
KOSIK: So what are the steps to get in since you're not sure it's safe to get in there?
WEST: Our bomb dispose's team is trained to do that. Robot, different types of devices and take their time going in each step of the way to make sure there's nothing there that will harm them. Once they make they're clear, we'll go in and do a thorough search of the bunker.
KOSIK: And one last question here. Peter Keller was building this bunker at least eight year, peter Keller. What was the clincher? What made him apparently snap and suddenly, you know, allegedly kill his wife, his daughter and then go into hiding inside this bunker?
WEST: You know, that's the $1 million question. It's baffling all of us. This guy has no prior history of arrests. We've had no prior history at his residence for any type of domestic violence or abuse. For all intents and purposes he showed up to work every day on time, worked at the same job for about 11, 12 years. We're just baffled at this point. People after the fact should have saw it coming, but there appeared to have been no indication of this happening.
KOSIK: All right, Cindi West of the King County Sheriff's Office on the phone, thanks for joining us.
WEST: You're welcome.
KOSIK: The Secret Service now has a new code of conduct coming in the wake of the new prostitution scandal in Colombia. The new rules say agents on assignment in other countries have to act like they are still in the United States. Also, they're forbidden from having anyone else in their room. They're now have a list of place where is they have to stay away from. And they are now allowed to drink alcohol within ten hours of reporting for duty.
Meantime, sources with knowledge of the Colombia investigation tell CNN that Arthur Huntington is the agent at center of the scandal. He's the one who had a paid dispute with an escort that brought the whole story to light. Huntington, we're told, has left the agency.
Defense Secretary Leon Panetta says there no question the U.S. is safer with Osama bin Laden dead. But he insists there's no silver bull to completely eliminate Al Qaeda's threat. Panetta was CIA director when bin Laden was killed by Navy Seals almost one year ago today. He wasn't whip the president and other top officials who nervously watched the raid play out from the White House. Panetta was at the CIA operations center, and he says there are several nerve-racking moments before he found out the mission was a success. (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
LEON PANETTA, DEFENSE SECRETARY: They said they had CIA withdrawn and confirmed in fact that it happened. That was the moment when we knew that all of the work that had been done was paying off. I think the one thing all of us feel pretty good about that were involved in this operation is that as a result of what we did, America is safer.
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KOSIK: Republican Senator John McCain is blasting President Obama for a new election ad that questions whether Mitt Romney would have ordered the raid on bin Laden's compound. In a written statement issued by the Republican National Committee, McCain said Obama should be ashamed of himself for turning bin Laden's killing into a, quote, "cheap political attack ad." McCain says the president is performing a "shameless end zone dance" to help himself get reelected.
You know those age progression photos used to help find missing children that have grown up? This is the story of a man who looked at one of those pictures and what he saw shocked him -- a spitting image of his own face. It turns out he was recorded as missing child more man three decades earlier. Our national correspondent Suzy Candiotti is following this story.
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SUSAN CANDIOTTI, CNN NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Steve Carter says he's lived a happy life. Adopted when he was four, he had little reason to search for his biological parents.
STEVE CARTER, FOUND HIMSELF ON MISSING PERSONS LIST: I didn't really care where else I came from.
CANDIOTTI: Yet he always had some nagging questions about his past. When he was six months old he was put in an orphanage in Hawaii but never knew why. Then he saw a CNN story about a woman who discovered she was a missing child, and started his own internet search.
CARTER: Pulled up Hawaii, male, missing 34 years. Lo and behold, composite picture pops up.
CANDIOTTI: Mark had been reported missing by his father in Hawaii after his mom left with their baby and never came back. The report included sketch of what he might look like grown up.
CARTER: I think, oh, my god. That really looks like me. And it really does. I mean, it's pretty much a spitting image.
CANDIOTTI: He contacted authorities, took a DNA test, and got a phone call.
CARTER: He said, you know, you are Mark.
CANDIOTTI: Knowing he is that missing child he learns his biological father lives in California. They haven't yet met but spoke by phone. CARTER: He was convinced my mother had taken me and raised me somewhere else. One of his first questions to me was, where's your mother? I said, that's a fantastic question. I have the same one for you. I think he was a bit dumbfounded by that response.
CANDIOTTI: He hopes to meet him in person this year.
CARTER: I think a face-to-face meeting is definitely going to be very emotional.
CANDIOTTI: Carter still has not found his biological mom and still doesn't know how he wound up in an orphanage, one of many confusing aspects of his life.
CARTER: Ten names, three birth certificates, and two birthdays. I do celebrate both birthdays. That's been a nice plus for it.
ERNIE ALLEN, CEO, NATIONAL CENTER FOR MISSING AND EXPLOITED CHILDREN: Just because it's been a week or a month or a year or ten years or even 34 years, there's hope. There are more missing children out there who can be identified and can be brought home.
CARTER: People need to have hope especially about missing people.
CANDIOTTI: Carter says he's always known who he is. Thanks to this sketch, now he knows more about who he was.
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KOSIK: It's known as the "nerd prom," but don't expect to see people with pocket protectors and calculators. The annual White House Correspondents' Dinner is strictly A-list players from Washington and Hollywood. Comedian Jimmy Kimmel is hosting the event. He says you can expect to hear some great jokes about the scandal that's rocked the Secret Service.
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JIMMY KIMMEL, COMEDIAN: Obviously, the Secret Service is something I'm going to talk about but not necessarily going to do 30 jokes about it. I'll probably stop at about 22.
We're in the White House. I've never been in the White House before. I'll probably never asked back either, but it's really very cool, actually.
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KOSIK: And you can tune into CNN tonight. We're going to have live coverage of the dinner beginning at 9:30 eastern time.
Coming up, a volcano rumbling near Mexico City, an d25 million people watching hoping it isn't the big one.
And pretty dramatic testimony in the John Edwards corruption trial. Edwards former aide Andrew Young said he feared for his life. Our legal guys weigh in on that case, next hour.
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KOSIK: A few headlines from overseas. Police in Northern Ireland say van packed with explosives is one of the biggest bombs found there. The van abandoned filled with 600 pounds of homemade explosives. Police say it was prime and ready to go off. They think a breakaway IRA group parked it there. No word yet on who the intended target was.
A Chinese human rights activist who escaped house arrest is reportedly under American protection today. Chen Guangcheng He was convicted several years ago of leading protests again the Chinese government. He went missing last weekend. A fellow activist says Chen is now safe at U.S. embassy in Beijing. No comment from American diplomats or Chinese officials.
And the U.S. marine presence on Okinawa is about to be cut in half. The 9,000 marines and their families will transfer off the Japanese island, most of them to either Guam or Hawaii. It's a drawdown plan agreed on by both the U.S. and Japanese militaries.
An enormous volcano not far from Mexico City is awake. Smoke, ash and rocks began flying out of the mountain this month right in the middle of where 25 million people live. The volcano erupts a little every few years and is usually minor. But people can't help but wonder if this could be the big one. CNN Rafael Romo reports.
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RAFAEL ROMO: In the fertile highlands of central Mexico, a menacing giant has awakened. The volcano has been spewing ash and smoke after a minor eruption earlier this month
MAYOR GREGORIO FUENTES CASQUERA, SANTIAGO XALITZINTLA, MEXICO (via translator): It was about 1:00 in the morning it started erupting and throwing hot rocks and ash. The episode took about two hours.
ROMO: At this town located at the foothills of the volcano, no evacuation odors issued, but police are on standby. Medical units are treating people for illnesses caused by volcanic ash.
DR. ANDRES MARIN, PUEBLA PUBLIC HEALTH DEPARTMENT (via translator): A lot of people have come with throat infections we've treated with antibiotics when appropriate. Others have infections like conjunctivitis and rhinitis.
ROMO: The volcano rises more 5,400 meters above sea level, or nearly 18,000 feet. It borders three Mexican states.
(On camera) The volcano is located near some of Mexico's most densely populated areas sitting halfway between some 24 million people live.
(Voice-over) For the residents the threat literally looms over their heads but some are not worried in the least.
JUVENTINA CASTRO GONZALEZ, SANTIAGO XALITZINTLA RESIDENT (via translator): I'm not afraid, not at all. We've been here a long time and nothing has happened to us. They've evacuated us once because it was spewing ash, but nothing happened.
ROMO: This man is in charge of public safety and has the unenviable responsibility of issues the alert if the volcano erupts. He talks about the volcano as if it were a moody ruler.
NEFI DE AQUINO, PUBLIC SAFETY DIRECTOR (via translator): he inspires respect, right, because you can't met with this lord. The explosions have the potential of finishing off the town in seconds.
ROMO: He has been documenting eruptions of the volcano for 40 years, including this one in 1999 that formed a 7,000 meter cloud of ash. The ancient Aztecs worshipped the volcano, and the tradition has continued to this day.
DE AQUINO (via translator): Our ancestor the Aztecs would sacrifice virgins to the volcano. More recently our fathers would take them offering food, fruits, and legumes. Thanks to lord Volcano, we have our vegetation.
ROMO: Here everybody talks about the big one, the massive eruption that may one bury the town. He can only hope the volcano will give him enough time to save the people.
Rafael Romo, CNN, Mexico.
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KOSIK: There has been a lot of back and forth this week between the president and Congress about student loan debt. So just ahead, four ways to get college loans under control.
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KOSIK: From North Carolina to Iowa, the president rallied college students this week to try to get Congress to stop student loan rates from doubling in July.
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BARACK OBAMA, (D) PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: Five years ago Congress cut the rates on federal student loans in half. That was a good thing to do. But on July 1st of this year, which means about two months from now, that rate cut will expire. And if it expires, interest rates on these loans will double overnight. And for each year that Congress doesn't act, the average student with these loans will rack up an additional $1,000 in debt.
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KOSIK: Yesterday the house approved a plan to keep interest rates low on student loans for another year, a plan the president vowed to veto, because of the way it is funded.
But no matter what happens with the government plan, you need get your own student loan under control. In our financial fix we find out four ways to do that and some ways parents and grandparents can help family members. Financial consultant Daria Dolan joins me now. Daria, what's the average student loan debt a person is carries?
DARIA DOLAN, FINANCIAL ADVISER: Hi, Alison. It's scary. The average graduate is exiting school with about $25,500 in debt from student loans. And there are about 36 million Americans who are now facing student loan debt of one sort or another. Some of it is as high as $200,000, $300,000 if you're looking at lawyers and potential doctors. So it's very scary.
KOSIK: OK, but with so much loan debt that we're carrying, tell me four ways to get those student loans under control.
DOLAN: OK. Number one, you need to know how much you owe and to whom you owe it. So you need to put all those loans together, either right before graduation or right after graduation, so that you know how you can choose a repayment plan. And the fact of the matter is, if your student loan debt is more than one years' potential salary for the career you're headed towards, you're not going to be able, most likely, to afford the 10-year payment plan, which means you'll have to look for more extended payment plan, which could be as far as 25 years out. Sort of like a home mortgage.
KOSIK: Incredible. What about deferring? Isn't that an option?
DOLAN: Yes. There are two things that you can do. Number one, you want to consolidate all your loans and so that you can make one payment, hopefully. You know, at least with the federal government you can consolidate. With the private loans that you may have taken as a student or your parents may have taken on your behalf, those are very difficult and mostly cannot be consolidated.
But if you are having problems because of unemployment, or under- employment, which, by the way, 53 percent of graduates now are facing one of those two scenarios, you can either ask for a deferment or forbearance. With a deferment you basically say, I'm unemployed I can't pay. Help me out here. We need to push this off a little longer until I get a job. Forbearance, on the other hand, is your opportunity to say to the lender or the consolidator, I'm not earning what I thought I was going to be earning. Can we make it a smaller payment? Can we defer it a little longer or can we change the length of term of my payment plan so that I'll have smaller, more affordable payments.
KOSIK: Just to make it clear. If you defer, you're still be paying interest? The interest will be accruing, rather?
DOLAN: In all of these, the interest continues to accrue, but, you know, if they do maintain the 3.4 rate of interest it will at least be accruing at a lower rate, but that will only be for people taking out loans now. Not for those that have incurred expenses in prior years.
KOSIK: So last question for you. Is there anything parents and grandparents can do to help?
DOLAN: Yes. Number one, parents and grandparents can make sure the kids know what their first year's salary might be so they don't take on too much debt. But if they're members of organizations like the elks or religious groups or such, check and see if there are any scholarships available. If one of your parents or grandparents graduated from the college that you're going to see if you can get a lessening of the cost of that education as the child of an alumnus. Or they can also, you know, be funding now for future would-be college graduates 529 plans, although some of those plans are getting fewer and farther in between. If they've had military service, may be able to help a student out with a lesser expense with college.
KOSIK: OK, financial consultant Daria Dolan, thanks for joining us with great advice there.
DOLAN: Thanks.
KOSIK: And if you want more helpful financial advice and sign up to the Dolan's free newsletter, go to Dolansonyourmony.com.
A former top aide of John Edwards was so intimidated by the one-time presidential candidate, he actually feared for his life. His dramatic testimony is coming up.
But first, women are not equal to men when it comes to smoking. We'll tell you why after the break.
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KOSIK: Turning to our top story, a police standoff near Seattle is over. Investigators say they found a body inside an underground bunker and believe it's that of this man, Peter Keller. He's suspected of killing his wife and daughter.
DOLAN: It's almost one year ago that a U.S. Navy SEAL team killed Al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden after storming his compound in Pakistan. U.S. officials say the Al Qaeda network has now largely been dismantled, but threats do remain from affiliated terror groups.
Tomorrow marks the 20th anniversary of the Los Angeles riots. And 54 people died and thousands of stores looted and burned in one of this country's worst riots. The violence was triggered after four white police officers were acquitted in the videotaped beating of Rodney King.
Very dramatic testimony in the John Edwards corruption trial. Edwards former campaign aide Andrew Young is considered the prosecution's star witness. Young testified yesterday that he was so intimidated by Edwards he was, quote "scared for his life." CNN's Joe Johns has the story from Greensboro, North Carolina.
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JOE JOHNS, CNN SENIOR CORRESPONDENT: Recounting the moment he and John Edwards finally had it out and parted ways, Andrew Young, the top Edwards aide who falsely claim head fathered a child with his boss' mistress and field marshaled the cover-up, was now claiming he was afraid. Young said he felt threatened by Edwards and feared for his life. He said he and Edwards went for a drive on a lonely North Carolina road. He said Edwards was driving erratically learning young received $725,000 from wealthy donor Bunny Mellon without telling Edwards.
Young said, "I was scared for my life. It was bizarre." Young told the court, "I said, if he won't tell the truth, I was going to tell the truth." Edwards responded to him, "You can't hurt me, Andrew. You can't hurt me." Defense attorney Abby Lowell asked Young if he had threatened Edwards with exposure of the whole story. Young said he and his family "did everything that he, Edwards, asked us to do. He completely abandoned himself from us. He walked away from us and I was extremely angry."
Drilling down on the cost of shepherding John Edwards' mistress around the country while she was on the run from the media, Andrew Young admitted under cross-examination he got hundreds of thousands of dollars more from two rich benefactors than he actually spent on Hunter's expenses. Defense attorney Abby Lowell pressed for more. Young attributed expenses to Rielle Hunter that he actually spent on himself or on his family for lavish trips on a Disney cruise and trips to San Diego, Cabo San Lucas, and Lego-Land. And Lowell continued to press on the issue of young's dream house on ten acres in North Carolina with a $100,000 sound system, Lowell pointing out that Young had gotten a construction loan to build the house and did not have to draw down on the money because he had hundreds of thousands of dollars in the bank from Bunny Mellon.
The cross-examination by Edwards' lawyer ended with Lowell quoting a line from Young's book, asking him, "Are you concerned people will see you as a cold-blooded schemer who was motivated by ego and greed or the desire for power?" Young, "Of course I'm concerned about how people see me." Lowell, "Isn't that exactly what you are?"
PROF. STEVEN FRIEDLAND, FORMER FEDERAL PROSECUTOR: The defense is now saying, they're dirty, too, and that they're playing in the same sandbox.
JOHNS: With the end of Young's testimony, his wife was calmed to stand who talked almost regretfully about how many different jobs her husband did for the Edwards family, "things he was never able to do for my family," she said. "I allowed him to do that."
The trial is expected to pick up next where it left off with the wife of Andrew Young on the stand. No word yet on when Rielle Hunter, the mistress of John Edwards, is expected to testify.
Joe Johns, CNN, Greensboro, North Carolina.
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KOSIK: Pirates are back on the big screen, but, gasp, this time no Johnny Depp. Will this be the start of a new pirates trilogy? Our movie critic weighs in with his grades next.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK) KOSIK: This weekend it's all about comedies at the box office. Our movie critic Matt Atchity from Rottentomatoes.com is here to give us his grades on this weekend's funny news releases, "The Five Year Engagement" and "The Pirates, Band of Misfits." Matt joins me now from Los Angeles. Hi, Matt.
MATT ATCHITY, EDITOR IN CHIEF, ROTTENTOMATOES.COM: How, how are you doing?
KOSIK: I'm doing well. Tell me what is the movie about the "Pirates, Band of Misfits" about?
ATCHITY: This is about a group of relatively incompetent pirates led by a pirate captain named pirate captain who is vying for the prestigious pirate of the year award.
KOSIK: And is it hilarious?
ATCHITY: It is pretty funny, actually. It's a Claymation film from the makers of the "Wallace and Gromit" shorts and last year's great "Arthur Christmas," which was really a fantastic film, a fun movie. Pretty goofy and silly but a lot of fun pap great voice cast from Hugh Grant here.
KOSIK: Let's go ahead, watch a short clip and then we'll talk on the other side.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Queen Victoria welcomes you to London.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Oh, that's nice.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Don't look so worried, number two. Pirates are always visiting London.
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KOSIK: What's your grade on this?
ATCHITY: My grade is pretty lie. I give it a B. I think it's a pretty solid film. I think the kids are really going to enjoy this. There's a lot of laughs here for the whole family. You know, definitely some silliness here. It's not nearly as dramatic or scary as "Pirates of the Caribbean" but something the kids and whole family will really enjoy.
KOSIK: The parents won't fall asleep in the theater.
ATCHITY: No. Actually they'll like it, too. Plenty of good gag the whole way through.
KOSIK: The next movie, "The Five Year Engagement." Let's watch a clip first.
ATCHITY: OK. (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Everyone's wearing yarmulkes.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Actually only the men wearing yarmulkes. I say that all the time. Babe, have you seen my yarmulke?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You don't have a yarmulke.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It's in my Jewish drawer.
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KOSIK: So what is this one about?
ATCHITY: This movie starts out with Emily Blunt and Jason Segal getting engaged, and then it takes them forever to actually walk down the aisle and get married. One thing leads to another in their lives. She gets accepted to grad school in Michigan, which is a problem, because they both live in the Bay Area. So now they have to uproot their lives, move to Michigan where she's going to grad school, and they delay their wedding. And when she keeps going farther and farther in school, it makes the wedding get pushed back farther and farther leading to tension in the relationship.
So this ultimately is a pretty funny movie. I enjoyed it, although it runs really long, almost two hour, which is really long for a romantic comedy, unfortunately. There's a great supporting cast. Not the least, Alison Brie from "Community." But it's not necessary as funny as, unfortunately, "Forgetting Sarah Marshall," which was co-written by Jason Segal and the director here, Nick Stoller. But ultimately, it's an all right film.
KOSIK: What's your grade?
ATCHITY: I give it a C. It's a solid film. I don't think it's brilliant. I think we've seen better romantic comedies from both actors. Not a waste of effort.
KOSIK: Matt, thanks for your time. Sound great.
ATCHITY: Thank you.
KOSIK: Remember, you can check out all of Matt's grads and reviews by going to Rottentomatoes.com.
How Nobel Peace prize winner Muhammad Yunus came up with the idea of microloans and how technology like your smartphone could play into it.
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KOSIK: A police standoff near Seattle is over. Police think a body found inside an underground bunker is Peter Keller, who is suspected of killing his wife and daughter. I have Seattle radio reporter Brandi Cruz on the phone now. She's with KIRO Radio. Brandi, what's the latest? BRANDI KRUSE, REPORTER, KIRO RADIO: After almost no activity here overnight, early this morning, a tactical team moved in on the bunker where they believed Peter Keller was hiding. They placed explosives on the top of it to try to breach the roof to get a better look inside. Now when they did that, deputies spotted a dead body inside. It was a man. There was a lot of blood around the body and a pistol nearby. We just heard confirmation from King County Sheriff Steve Strand hat indeed that body is that of Peter Keller, who is suspected of murdering his wife and daughter. He says Keller died of a self- inflicted gunshot wound. That's what it appeared at this point, but we are awaiting official confirmation on that from a medical examiner's office shortly.
KOSIK: Any idea how long Keller was dead?
KRUSE: They said he had been dead for some time, but they're trying to pinpoint that, because yesterday when the standoff began they did see movement inside which is when they started pumping tear gas in, and then overnight, deputies observed light coming -- lights turning on and off inside the bunker presumably powered by a generator of some kind. There had been activity inside the bunker. They didn't say they heard a gunshot. They're trying to pinpoint the time of death, but they know it was not caused by the explosives that the tactical team set off this morning.
KOSIK: What about any sign of police actually going inside that bunker to get a better look?
KRUSE: Absolutely so. They are going to do that, but it will be some time before they can get in and retrieve Mr. Keller's body for several reasons. It's a very rugged area. We're in a mountainous area, built into the side of a mountain, and it just makes it very difficult for deputies to kind of navigate the scene.
And also, Mr. Keller spent eight years building this bunker. It's a fortress in every sense the word, and there is some concern that there could be some kind of booby-trap that were put in place by Mr. Keller to harm deputies. They have to be very, very careful now as they approach the scene and continue their investigation.
KOSIK: OK, Brandi Cruz with KIRO Radio, thanks so much.
KRUSE: You're welcome.
KOSIK: Southern California rattled by an earthquake. Jacqui Jeras has the latest coming up.
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KOSIK: Small amounts of money can lead to big things, that's the idea behind micro-financing. Muhammad Yunus is known as the father of micro-finance. He won a Nobel Peace prize in 2006 for making financial resources available to the poorest people of Bangladesh. Fredricka Whitfield spoke to him during a visit to CNN. (BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)
FREDRICKA WHITFIELD, CNN ANCHOR: All right, welcome, Professor Yunus.
MUHAMMAD YUNUS, NOBEL PEACE PRIZE WINNER: Thank you.
WHITFIELD: Congratulations on your Nobel peace prize.
YUNUS: Thank you.
WHITFIELD: Tell me first, how did micro-financing come to be in large part how you earned this nobel peace prize, $40 million disbursed to nine million different borrowers around the world.
YUNUS: It's out of desperation. If you live in a country like Bangladesh, there are a lot of desperate moments that come and you want to do things because nothing sells working. You do things very strange but you get it done. One of the things I wanted to lend money to a few people in the village next door to the university campus, because they are taking money from loan sharks and loan sharks taking advantage of them. That was beginning of it in 1976. Then when we grow, the bank we still have in Bangladesh, $8.4 billion dollars each year and all the money comes from within the system. Globally, there will be 160 million borrowers all around, and in New York city, we have about 10,000 borrowers, and they receive loans just like we do it in Bangladesh and the average loan is $1,500.
WHITFIELD: So were you of worried, however, people would who be borrowing this money to set up business to fund incomes, et cetera, would abuse that privilege?
YUNUS: No. We didn't think they way, because our system is built in way to self-correcting system. We have a group of five women. It you want to make a loan you have to propose the loan to your group, and your group kind of screens it to see you have the right idea, the right amount, and then you come to the bank.
WHITFIELD: And now you see it has greater potential by use of the technology that so many people use every day, their cellphones. In some countries, that's all they use to communicate to solve problems is the use of cellphones. They're not using computers. How do you see this type of technology helping advance your vision of micro- financing?
YUNUS: Cell phones is the future. Almost everything we need in a day- to-day life will come to the cell phone. So it's just the beginning voice, conversation, is one, just a tiny little piece. We are looking at cell phone to become the mechanism by which delivers all the health cares.
WHITFIELD: In what way?
YUNUS: For example, lots of diagnostic services can be provided through the cell phone. We can use it as a kind of transmitter. You attach the probe into it and you do the diagnostic, transmitted to the -- WHITFIELD: Ultrasounds, x-rays right there in the cell phone, because so many cases, doctors can't get to certain villages. People have cell phones.
YUNUS: The bulk of population have no access to doctors. Doctors live in one place, particularly in big cities and so on. Most of the people in the world --
WHITFIELD: How far away from this are we --
YUNUS: Very close. We are already using it and create what we call social business, create the technology, demand the technology, and make it happen. And we created a lot of health care facilities through social business. Social business is a known dividend company to solve problems. One of the problems, a big problem is let care. So we built a lot of social businesses around health care and this technology, the cell phone technology becomes so important. Bring health care in various ways and many more coming with the remote doctor, diagnosing someone right there at her home.
WHITFIELD: And you see this in the U.S., you see this abroad?
YUNUS: Everywhere, because cell phone is everywhere. It's no longer privileged to have cell phones. Countries like Bangladesh, nearly 80 million have cell phones. That means everybody has a cellphone in Bangladesh, multiple cellphones. Everybody has it. It's connected with internet. Now you bring other services, banking services, health services, healthcare services, education, training, everything. It's now, that is it. And within 10, 20 years world will be quite different place than what we have right now because of the technology.
WHITFIELD: Making the word "inaccessible" obsolete.
YUNUS: Many things will be obsolete. Many new things will happen.
WHITFIELD: Professor Muhammad Yunus, thank so much. Congratulations on the Nobel Peace prize. Appreciate your time.
YUNUS: OK.
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KOSIK: Spring time in New Orleans means jazz fest.
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KOSIK: And the reason I'm here today is because Fredricka Whitfield is there, in New Orleans, face to face with reggae legend David "Dread" Hinds. That's next.
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KOSIK: It's the first weekend of the world famous New Orleans jazz and heritage festival. Great food, hot weather, and one of the biggest gatherings of music royalty anywhere. Fredricka Whitfield is there in New Orleans all weekend and she caught up with David "Dread" Hinds, singer for the legendary reggae band Steel Pulse.
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WHITFIELD: What's your favorite, I guess, moment or experience that comes with jazz fest here, performing here, outside, in the heat?
DAVID "DREAD" HINDS, SINGER, STEEL PULSE: The activities, festivities, knowing there's different types of people from different walks of life, different cultures and social backgrounds coming together, and especially when it comes to our section of the music when it's a lot of racial harmony and integration happening.
Donations to Haiti out there. I want you all to. I don't want you to forget them.
WHITFIELD: Always very committed to the world, steel pulse, to humanity. Your commitment to Haiti is extraordinary. Tell me about that.
HINE: It's very meaningful. I mean, we actually experienced the earthquake while recording in Jamaica. Haiti is only 300 miles away from Jamaica. We're doing activities in Haiti now providing solar panels for hospitals and clinics and what have you. And we thought it was a good idea to take that song we recorded and turn it into something instrumental that can be used as digital downloads to create funds to fund these solar panels.
WHITFIELD: Hold on for Haiti?
HINE: That's right. We always associate ourselves with being the voice of the voiceless. That one that sort of tries to let everybody be aware socially and politically of what's going on in that environment, and that's what we've been focusing on ever since we started out.
WHITFIELD: Thank you so much.
HINE: Thank you so much, Fredricka. God bless.
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KOSIK: And coming up next hour, Fredricka tours Jazz Fest with producer, Quint Davis.
