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Travel To U.S. Possible For Chen; April Jobs Report Disappoints; Mass Shooting Near Phoenix; Rivera Down And Maybe Out; John Edwards Trial; Credit Card Financial Infidelity; Colombian Prostitute Speaks Out; Student Creates Dazzling Dorm Room; Travel To U.S. Possible For Chen; Adam Yauch of the Beastie Boys Dies

Aired May 04, 2012 - 13:00   ET

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SUZANNE MALVEAUX, CNN ANCHOR: Top of the hour, I'm Suzanne Malveaux. I want to get you up to speed.

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HILLARY CLINTON, SECRETARY OF STATE: He and his family now want to go to the United States, so he can pursue his studies.

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MALVEAUX: Secretary of state, Hillary Clinton, in Beijing today talking about Chinese activist Chen GuangCheng. It might be a breakthrough for the man who was so vocal about stopping forced abortion and sterilization in China that the government through him in prison. Well now, the Chinese government says he can apply to study abroad like any other citizen. And according to the U.S. State Department, he has been offered a university fellowship.

A new report out today shows the unemployment rate fell last month, but we're not celebrating so fast. The number of jobs created was less than expected. The jobless rate fell because workers dropped out of the labor force. The rate dipped to 8.1 percent. Employers added 115,000 jobs. You're going to go live to the New York stock exchange to see just how Wall Street is reacting.

And Gilbert, Arizona, this is near phoenix. This house, a horrible, horrible crime scene. Police believe the man shot and killed four people there, including his girlfriend and their 15-month- old granddaughter, they say the man, J.T. Ready, then killed himself. He's an admitted white supremacist who organized a private citizen militia to patrol the Mexican border. Ready allegedly kept ties to neo-Nazi groups.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Shagging a fly ball at the bat of Jayson Nix in centerfield. Mariano had a misstep near the warning track, immediately grabs his knee and --

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MALVEAUX: Mariano Rivera takes a tumble and is hurt badly, a torn ACL. The New York Yankees superstar closer wasn't even playing. He was just catching fly balls during batting practice. Well, off the field he goes. He might actually need surgery. The buzz say is Rivera's career might be over. He's been in the majors for 18 seasons, all of them with the Yankees.

And the jury of John Edwards' corruption trial hearing. A second day of testimony from the most colorful witness to take the stand yet. This is interior designer Bryan Huffman. Now, Huffman is testifying in detail about $725,000 in campaign donations. A flurry of checks that were nicknamed Bunny money.

Diane Dimond, she's a special correspondent for "Newsweek" and "The Daily Beast." She's joining us from outside the courthouse in Greensboro, North Carolina. And Diane, explain to us, first of all, this Bunny money referring to the heiress and Edwards' contributor Rachel Bunny Mellon. Just tell us what this is about.

DIANE DIMOND, SPECIAL CORRESPONDENT, "NEWSWEEK" AND "THE DAILY BEST": All righty. She is the one who donated the most money that is in dispute here in this courthouse. The reason that John Edwards is on trial. Rachel Bunny Mellon, according to this witness who's been on the stand now for a couple of days, Bryan Huffman, she was completely enamored with John Edwards, loved him to pieces, wanted to help him in any way she could. And that way, of course, if you are a Mellon, is money. He testified yesterday that he was the conduit through which this money flowed because she did not want her attorneys to find out she was giving $725,000 away. They had been cautioning her to ease up a bit on the millions she was giving away.

So, that was yesterday. Today, Bryan Huffman came back to the stand for a little direct and then the cross-examination. And to me, it was a lot of rehash about how the checks went from him to Andrew Young's wife into their bank account, and then ultimately spent to hide Rielle Hunter. The most fascinating thing with Bryan Huffman today came at the very end of his testimony when the prosecutor asked was Mrs. Mellon disturbed when she found out how her money had been spent? And she said -- he said, she was in that she didn't particularly condemn people for having an affair, but she thought that you should probably pay for your own girlfriend. This has been a very colorful witness. He's fascinating to watch. And he not only speaks to the person asking him the questions, but he spoke to the jury. He was very southern gentlemanly, very well-spoken, impeccably dressed. Probably the best-dressed witness we've had here in two weeks.

MALVEAUX: Diane, tell us a little bit about something you mentioned, you write about in your "Daily Beast" article, about an awkward surprising encounter between Edwards' former aide and Rielle Hunter.

DIMOND: Which -- oh, you're talking -- I know who you're talking about. One of the staffers who testified yesterday said that he was convinced that Rielle Hunter was off the campaign trail, banned by Elizabeth Edwards who had her suspicions. He was frantically surprised to see Rielle Hunter in a hotel in Detroit some months later, and they exchanged some pleasantries, and he went to his room. Rielle came and knocked on the door shortly thereafter and said, I just want you to know that the senator and I are madly in love, deeply in love, and he's upset that you have seen me here, so she asked for discretion. The next morning, the aide speaks to the senator who says, first thing out of his mouth, that woman came to my room, quote, "She is crazy. You've got to figure out a way to keep her away from me." He said -- he didn't -- in the end, he didn't really believe either one of them, but it was clear that Rielle Hunter was back on the campaign trail traveling with the senator.

MALVEAUX: And Diane, what do we expect this afternoon?

DIMOND: Well, on the stand now, right before the lunch break, was a man named Peter Shirr (ph). He is a highly experienced campaign adviser, worked for the Clintons for years, worked for Max Baucus in the Senate years and years ago. Very professional man and knows how to run a campaign. He says that when he -- and he was an adviser for John Edwards during the last presidential run. He said, when one of the staffers called -- a man named Josh Brumberger called him and said, we have a problem, her name is Hunter. She acts crazy around this man. She misbehaves. He said he made an appointment with the senator to meet him at the Regency Hotel in New York and he warned him.

MALVEAUX: Yes.

DIMOND: And he said, John Edwards said to him, are you asking me if I'm sleeping you with her? And he said, yes, I'm asking you. He said, no, I'm not sleeping with her. Well, that was at a time that we now know Rielle Hunter was pregnant. But he said, senator agreed that she should not travel with him anymore and that was that until October 2007 when -- I'm sorry, 2006.

MALVEAUX: Right.

DIMOND: When Shirr says he got another call from a staffer and Rielle Hunter was back. He was very angry. He picked up the phone. He said, John, what the blank are you doing? And John Edwards told him to go blank himself, because he didn't need a babysitter and that was that. The relationship was --

MALVEAUX: Wow.

DIMOND: -- over between the two men but not with Rielle.

MALVEAUX: Salacious details coming out of that trial. All right. Diane Dimond --

DIMOND: Every day.

MALVEAUX: -- good to see you again. Have a good weekend.

Here is a rundown of some of the stories we're covering over the next hour. First, have you ever cheated on someone special with your credit card? If so, you're actually. You're not going to believe how many other couples are committing financial infidelity. And we talk about the unemployment rate all the time, but what does it really measure? What does it mean for the job hunt?

And then, the woman at the center of the sex scandal that brought down members of the secret service. Well, now she's speaking out.

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MALVEAUX: Wall Street reacts to a rather weak jobs report. The unemployment rate dips to 8.1 percent last month, but employers added just 115,000 jobs which was actually fewer than expected. I want to bring in Alison Kosik from the New York stock exchange. And so, explain this to us, Alison. You've got more jobs, a lower unemployment rate, but people are looking at this, and they're thinking this is not necessarily a good report.

ALISON KOSIK, CNN BUSINESS CORRESPONDENT: Right. So, let me start with that 115,000 figure. 115,000 jobs added to this economy is simply not good enough to dig the job market out of the deep hole it's in right now. But here is the thing about this trend with what's been happening. You know, as far as jobs go, you know, we started out strong. We started the year out strong. In January, 275,000 jobs were added to the economy, but what's been happening is job growth has been slowing every single month this year.

Now, we are at less than half of that, and, you know, it's kind of not such a big surprise here because, you know, the red lights kind of have been flashing. There have been other signs that the economy is slowing. You look at GDP that was reported and activity in the service sector. Both of those have been slowing down. Also, a dozen countries in Europe are back into a recession. So, you have to expect all of that to trickle right down into the job market -- Suzanne.

MALVEAUX: Alison, ,how worried is Wall Street reacting to the slow down now?

KOSIK: There is -- there is big worry, especially when you look at that unemployment rate. You know, when you see that headline in the newspaper tomorrow that says, unemployment down to 8.1 percent, you think great. But then you pull back that curtain and you see why the unemployment rate is falling. It's falling because people aren't finding work. People are literally dropping out of the labor force. They're getting frustrated. They're not finding a job and they're saying forget it, I'm not going to look for a job anymore.

So, what you find now that we have is a labor force that is actually at its smallest since 1981. But it's not all bad. Believe it or not, you can blame some of this on the weather because warm weather actually led to more hiring happening in January and February. So, what you're seeing is kind of the labor market adjusting a little bit more, growth is, you know, slow right now to compensate for all that hiring during that warm winter. And you know, if you average it out -- if you average out all the numbers from January to April, --

MALVEAUX: Right.

KOSIK: -- you wind up having about 200,000 jobs added each month.

MALVEAUX: So, it goes back to April. What does Wall Street expect for the economy going forward?

KOSIK: Oh, yes. So, a CNN survey of economists said they expect unemployment to fall to 8 percent this year. The fed is more bullish. They see unemployment at around 7.8 percent to eight percent this year. But one analyst puts it this way. He says, you know what? This is kind of like running in place. But some say, you know, the problem with even at this slow rate, it's not even weak enough, you know, to get the fed to do something, to jump in -- to jump in with more stimulus. So, we're kind of stuck right now. You know, many say that expect to see some improvement but really nothing to write home about, not just yet -- Suzanne.

MALVEAUX: All right. I'm going to put you on the spot here, Alison. Do you lie to your husband about money from time to time?

KOSIK: Never, never.

MALVEAUX: Never?

KOSIK: I have no problem -- I have no problem saying what I'm spending on, not at all.

MALVEAUX: Good answer.

KOSIK: You have to own it -- you have to own it.

MALVEAUX: Good answer on air, too. But if you -- if you -- if you actually admitted that you did lie sometimes, you're not alone. I want to show new report here. It turns out that three in 10 adults who are actually married or living with a partner admit to financial infidelity, that's what it's called here. The report out today says that seven percent of people have actually kept a work bonus or lottery winnings under wrap, four people, four percent.

KOSIK: Lottery winnings?

MALVEAUX: Yes, lottery winnings.

KOSIK: How do you hide that?

MALVEAUX: I don't even understand that. I guess it's a little small winning there. They say four percent have a secret savings or retirement accounts. Another four percent have withdrawn a significant amount of money from a joint account on the sly. And --

KOSIK: That takes a lot of work to lie about what you're spending. There's a lot to be had for you to hide all that. You know what? I'm going to out and buy my pair of Jimmy Choos and I'm going to walk proudly into the house holding the bag.

MALVEAUX: I'm not naming any names, but I know some folks in this building that have some stories about bags and bags of clothing and things that they buy that they hide, so -- KOSIK: Well, I won't hold it against them, to each his own.

MALVEAUX: I think honesty is probably better, but more than a quarter, they say, of married couples say they fight about money more than any other issue, and so to prevent these financial fights, experts are recommending a date night essentially once a month to talk about the money, to talk about the Benjamins because --

KOSIK: Oh, that should be a fun date night.

MALVEAUX: Order pizza and a lot of wine, I don't know.

KOSIK: There you go, a lot of drinks.

MALVEAUX: All right, Alison. Have a great weekend.

KOSIK: Great story, Suzanne.

MALVEAUX: Sure.

The prostitute at the center of the secret service sex scandal, she is now speaking out for first time. She is providing new details about the morning she got into an argument with one of the agents sent to Colombia ahead of the president's visit. Let's take a listen.

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DANIA SUAREZ (translator): And I told him to wake up and to give me my gift that I asked him for. And he says, no. Just go (INAUDIBLE). I'm not going to pay you. And then he just put out 50,000 pesos for the taxi, and I was like -- I was in shock in that moment when he just said that.

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MALVEAUX: Want to bring in Rafael Romo, who's been covering this story for us.

So, what have we learned? Is there new information coming from this woman?

RAFAEL ROMO, CNN SENIOR LATIN AMERICAN AFFAIRS EDITOR: Well, there is. It is a -- I was just listening to this interview. It was like an hour long. And it is very detailed. And it describes moment by moment step by step what happened. They met these Secret Service agents, a friend of hers, at a bar in Cartagena, Colombia. She didn't know who they were or why they were there. It was not until the following morning that she knew who they were.

And they get drinks and she describes a night of wild partying, heavy drinking. She says that the agent she was with at one point lifted up his shirt to show his six-pack. They were dancing on the bar. And then after that, after several bottles of vodka, they go to the hotel, and there had been an understanding there that her prize was going to be in the range of $800. The following morning, he wants to pay her much less than that, like a tenth of that, and that's when she tries to go to the other member of the group who she knew to ask for help in this.

MALVEAUX: Yes.

ROMO: A police officer in Colombia at the hotel learns about the situation, and that's when the scandal happens.

But let me show you a piece of sound about her when she's actually describing what happened at that hallway that morning in a Colombian hotel.

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DANIA SUAREZ (through translator): Two more agents showed up and stood at the door and asked me what was going on. I told them. I kept telling them I was going to call more police. More police so that my problem would get solved. And they didn't care. All they were saying was please, please, no police, no police. They were asking me not to call the police.

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ROMO: And now, Suzanne, the bottom line question here is, was President Obama at any danger? What would have happened if she was a terrorist? She was asked that question specifically.

MALVEAUX: Right.

ROMO: And this is what she had to say.

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SUAREZ (through translator): Of course. At that moment, if I had been a member of one of those terrorist gangs, it's obvious that I would have been able to get everything. Just like the newspapers say, I put them in checkmate. They're a bunch of fools. They're responsible for Obama's security and they still let this happen. I told them, I'm going to call the police so that they would pay me my money. They didn't care. They didn't see the magnitude of the problem, even when being responsible for Obama's security. I could have done a thousand other things.

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ROMO: A thousand other things. So she's calling the Secret Service agent a bunch of fools. That they should have known better. And it's just an incredible situation.

MALVEAUX: But she doesn't say that she saw anything that was related to -- any documents regarding the president or the travel schedule or the maps or anything like that?

ROMO: She didn't see anything like that because she says very specifically in the interview, I was only interested about the money. But had I wanted to, I would have been able to -- she saw a uniform and she learned that he was -- she describes it -- I thought he was in the military. And that's when she learned that there was more there than she knew.

MALVEAUX: All right. I'm sure there are more details that will be emerging. Thank you, Rafael. Appreciate it.

ROMO: Sure.

MALVEAUX: So when we were in school, making improvements to your dorm room meant, what, hanging a couple posters up, maybe throwing down a rug. You're not going to believe how this California student tricked out his dorm room. Check it out.

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MALVEAUX: No doubt about it, Derek Low has the coolest college dorm room in the UC-Berkeley campus. Maybe even in the country. Look at this. We're talking about laser lights, motion sensors, voice command, even a disco ball. Unless, of course, the college makes him dismantle all of this. Here's Dan Simon with the story.

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DEREK LOW, UNIV. OF CALIFORNIA BERKLEY STUDENT: I just wanted to do this and learn how to do it.

DAN SIMON, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Derek Low is a freshman at UC-Berkeley. He's majoring in electrical engineering and he's made his college dorm room his laboratory. It's a technology wonderland. Automated curtains, motion sensors and voice commands.

LOW: So I can be in my bed. I just shout out, sleep mode.

SIMON: Are just a few of the features that Derek spent three months creating. When he uploaded this video to YouTube, Derek unofficially became recognized as having the coolest dorm room on the planet.

SIMON (on camera): What's your favorite thing about it?

LOW: Party mode, of course.

SIMON (voice-over): Derek showed us his party mode, spinning disco ball, lasers, strobe lights, and techno music, all controlled from his laptop. Here it is in all its glory. As you can imagine, it's attracted some campus attention. Berkeley housing authorities were concerned about electrical wiring modifications, but found no issues. Nonetheless, Derek says he's been summoned to a campus hearing anyway to explain things.

LOW: They say that I had some violations of resident hall policies. I broke a few rules. I modified a dorm. My room is a fire hazard. I'm disturbing my neighbors. But, look around. I mean, everything's fine. No one's complaining.

SIMON: As Derek shows us, he used tape and binder clips to put the equipment in place and didn't drill any holes. The whole system, he says, can be dismantled in a few minutes. SIMON (on camera): His name is Derek, but there's a sign on the door that says Brad. That's not anybody's name who lives here. It stands for Berkeley Ridiculously Automated Dorm.

SIMON (voice-over): Derek also bought a fog machine for the room but hasn't used it in fear it will set off the fire alarm. With only 10 days left of school and students now studying for exams, that's probably a good call.

Dan Simon, CNN, Berkeley, California.

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MALVEAUX: He got famous risking everything to fight against forced abortion and sterilization in China. Well, now, he could be heading to the United States on a student visa.

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MALVEAUX: Here's a rundown of some of the stories that we're working on next.

A deal between the U.S. and China. Chen Guangcheng made a daring escape from house arrest. Now the Chinese activist could be heading to the states.

And then, the king of pop back in a way. He's coming to a pop can near you. Yes, Pepsi is hoping the late Michael Jackson will help sales.

And, later, everybody, of course, wants to win the battle with cellulite. Usually we're not so successful. But, listen up, there might be a cure. That's right. You don't want to miss it.

The blind man who spent years in prison for criticizing the Chinese government might be a step closer to a new life here in the United States. Chen Guangcheng ran to the U.S. embassy in Beijing when he escaped house arrest. Well, now, he is pleading with U.S. officials, including Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, to get him out, as well as his family, out of China. Live to Beijing now. CNN's Stan Grant.

Stan, talk a little bit about what happened today that makes some American officials encouraged by his future.

STAN GRANT, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Yes, Suzanne, the door has been opened just a little by China. They're now acknowledged that Chen can apply for a passport and then submit an application to study abroad. Now, the United States has said, if he applies for that study visa or student visa, they will be able to process that with a priority so that his family may be able to leave China and leave it much more sooner than expected.

Now, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, she's been here for the past few days for high level trade talks. This, of course, has overshadowed all of that. But this move from China means that there is cause for optimism. This is what she had to say.

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HILLARY CLINTON, SECRETARY OF STATE: I'm pleased that today our ambassador has spoken with him again. Our embassy staff and our doctor had a chance to meet with him. Over the course of the day, progress has been made to help him have the future that he wants, and we will be staying in touch with him.

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GRANT: This has really exposed the growing rivalry between China and the United States, this whole human rights issue which is such a thorny one. Secretary Clinton saying that you learn more from being able to cooperate than compete.

Suzanne.

MALVEAUX: Stan, do we know if the Chinese government is going to intervene if he tries to leave?

GRANT: Yes, this is a really critical point, isn't it? While China is saying he can apply for a passport, they're also playing hardball with the U.S. They're still demanding an apology for the U.S. embassy harboring Chen for those days. Also saying today, a statement from the ministry of foreign affairs spokesman, saying that the United States needs to watch its actions in future to avoid circumstances like that or it will put at risk the U.S./China relationship.

And we're already seeing a crackdown appearing here as well. We've seen friends and relatives of Chen, who have been arrested in recent days. And just this evening, the foreign correspondents club here in Beijing reporting that about 20 journalists have been called in and issued a warning. If they go near that hospital again, they'll have their visas here revoked. China's still playing it tough.

MALVEAUX: And, Stan, you've personally talked to Chen. What is his biggest fear if he ends up staying in China?

GRANT: That his family could be killed. It's as simple as that. When he left the embassy the first time and went to the hospital for treatment, at that point he was optimistic. There was a deal already in place between China and the U.S. that he would live safely and freely. He went to the hospital. He met his wife. His wife told him that -- how she'd been tied to a chair for two years, interrogated and beaten. She said that threats were being made that if they came back to their village, they'd be waiting for them there with weapons. At that point he decided, no, there is no future for us here. He then said he needed to get out of the country. That's when we've seen this whole diplomatic firestorm erupt. If he stays here, he just doesn't feel safe -- Suzanne?

MALVEAUX: Thank you very much, Stan. Appreciate it.

Just weeks after being inducted to the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, devastating news for fans of the Beastie Boys. Adam Yauch, known to his fans as MCA, has lost his battle with cancer, according to "Rolling Stone." We'll have more on the passing of this hip-hop pioneer.

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PHILLIPS: I want to bring in Nischelle Turner of our entertainment segment here to talk a little bit about the news -- the breaking news we've heard.

One of the Beastie Boys has died. Can you give us some information about what you know?

NISCHELLE TURNER, CNN ENTERTAINMENT CORRESPONDENT: Yes, Suzanne. This news is just breaking really within the last 20 minutes, but we do have word, we are getting word from multiple outlets. Now rollingstone.com is reporting that Beastie Boys rapper and co-founder, MSA, whose real name is Adam Yauch, has died from cancer. He was diagnosed three years ago and he announced he was being treated for cancer. He had undergone surgery and radiation therapy.

He co-founded the Beastie Boys back in 1979. The group started out as a punk rock band but then they started dabbling in the hip-hop world and found out they really kind of liked that genre of music. They were different. You didn't see many white rappers in those days, or rappers, period, but definitely not white rappers. Some of their best known songs, "Paul Revere," "Brass Monkey." They are one of the longest lived hip-hop acts. They have sold more than 40 million albums worldwide.

Adam Yauch is survived by his wife and daughter. Suzanne, he was only 47 years old.

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TURNER: And you're just looking at a video of them. It just takes you back, doesn't it?

PHILLIPS: It's so tragic when you think about it, because fight for your right to party back in 1986, I mean, that's what -- we were all just so excited and jumping up and down to that one. And he was so, so young really to pass away. It was such a valiant effort, fighting his battle against cancer.

But their group really did change the face of rap. You know, it was one of the first groups that really had that kind of crossover appeal that were acceptable to the other rap groups as well.

TURNER: Absolutely. You know, you heard the rock influence definitely in their music. And as I was saying, they started out thinking they wanted to be a punk rock band, but they were one of the first fusion type of bands. They blended the two and blended them so well.

The Beastie Boys were just inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame in April. Adam was not able to attend the ceremony. They did pay tribute to him there because of his battle and his illness with cancer. But they were just inducted into the Hall of Fame. It was a big honor for them. They have a new C.D. that is just out. It's called "Hot Sauce Committee Part Two." It's expected to debut at number two on the Billboard charts next week. But with his passing, you know, it definitely could ramp up album sales, and they could debut at number one now -- Suzanne?

PHILLIPS: We wish his family the very best, those surviving him.

TURNER: Absolutely.

PHILLIPS: Nischelle, tell us a little bit about another story you were following. This is Pepsi essentially bringing Michael Jackson back into the spotlight.

TURNER: Yes. Well, you know, Pepsi and Michael Jackson had a very famous relationship back in the day. And basically it seems like, Suzanne, that the Michael Jackson machine is still up and rolling. Bottom line, get ready to see more Michael Jackson because he is being brought back together with perhaps his most famous commercial product endorsement -- I would say probably so -- and that is Pepsi. The company just announced that it is partnering with Michael's estate. It will be featuring Michael Jackson's image on one billion Pepsi cans in more than 20 countries. This is all to mark the 25th anniversary of the release of Michael Jackson's "Bad" album. "Bad," which Michael recorded back in 1987, went on to become one of the best-selling albums of all time.

Now, of course, Michael and Pepsi do have that long history together throughout the '80s. He did so many iconic commercials. And you might remember it was while shooting a Pepsi commercial back in '84 when he was singing "Billie Jean" that Michael was treated for serious burns when his hair caught on fire. He said, for the rest of his life, he lived in pain related to that.

MALVEAUX: Nischelle, thank you very much.

TURNER: Sure.

PHILLIPS: For all the entertainment news from Hollywood and beyond, watch "Showbiz Tonight," 11:00 eastern on HLN.

She was interested in politics, and she was young, and even marched with the Reverend Martin Luther King Jr. But now a 92-year- old woman might not be able to cast her vote because of a new law. We're going to ask about it, live.

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MALVEAUX: No I.D., no voting in Pennsylvania. That is the bottom line. Other states do allow eligible voters who lack I.D. to cast a ballot by reaffirming their identification in an affidavit at the polls. In Pennsylvania, people who don't have proper I.D are given provisional ballots and those votes won't be counted unless the voter produces a valid I.D. within six days of the election.

Vian Applewhite fears she's going to be denied her right to vote for the first time in 50 years because of the Pennsylvania voter I.D. law. She's joining us from Philadelphia, and her attorney, Judith Browne Dianis, from Washington.

First, I'd like to go to you, Ms. Applewhite. Tell us what you think this means for you. Why you think you might not be able to vote this go-around.

VIAN APPLEWHITE, FIGHT TO VOTE: I won't be able to vote because I don't have any birth certificate and I.D. And that's because someone stole my pocketbook from me years ago, and I have been trying to get it back ever since. And I have never been able to get my I.D. back.

MALVEAUX: Is it possible to get a copy of your birth certificate or have you tried different ways to actually produce that from state officials?

VIAN APPLEWHITE: Yes, I have. I had it once. That's why I know there wasn't anything wrong, but I had it once. When they stole my pocketbook, it left me -- that's when I got rid of it because they took my Social Security card and took --

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APPLEWHITE: I had a Virginia state I.D. card, and they took that. And I never had one for Pennsylvania, but the Virginia I.D. was fine. They accepted that everywhere. When they took that, that left me with nothing.

So when I went to try to get it, at first it was $5 they said. So I gave -- I sent three or four times with the $5. I never received my money back, and plus they never called me and told me why that I wasn't getting the birth certificate at that particular time. So then I went back -- it went up to $10, and I sent the $10 three or four times and I still didn't get no (ph) birth certificate so I just gave up.

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MALVEAUX: So you have been unsuccessful in actually getting that I.D.

I want to bring in your attorney to talk a little bit about -- is there any way here that Ms. Applewhite would be able to get something to produce some sort of I.D. that would be acceptable for her to vote?

JUDITH BROWNE DIANIS, ATTORNEY FOR VIAN APPLEWHITE: Well, this is the problem is that Pennsylvania just passed one of the most restrictive voter I.D. laws in the country. And we know that these laws have been passed across the country as partisan efforts to make sure that those that turned out in record numbers in 2008 won't be able to vote this year. And, unfortunately, it's undermining our democracy. Everyone should have a voice in our election. And someone like Ms. Applewhite, who has been voting for decades, since African- Americans could vote, she has been participating. And it's outrageous that this I.D. law is going to get in the way of her voting this year. MALVEAUX: Do you have any evidence at all that this law, this Pennsylvania law, is either targeting minorities or elderly people like Ms. Applewhite?

DIANIS: Well, we know that across the country, when you look at the numbers of people, there are 21 million Americans that don't have state-issued photo identification. 25 percent of African-Americans do not have I.D. It disproportionately hits African-Americans and elderly folks, many of whom, especially black elderly folks, who weren't born in hospitals and therefore don't have birth certificates. And they weren't born in hospitals because of segregation. So we know those folks will be hit hard by these laws.

PHILLIPS: Ms. Applewhite, if I can, I know this means a lot to you. You marched with reverend Martin Luther King Jr. What would it mean if you actually couldn't vote this go-around?

APPLEWHITE: I just think it's ridiculous that I can't vote. But I would like to have my I.D. And this is why I got into this thing, whatever that it is that I'm in right now because it was where I live at, the sign was up that they would get my I.D. for me. So I went to it. And when I went to get the I.D., I filled out the application, and then the two parties came to my apartment and they talked to me, and they asked me about it, and then I signed the paper for -- to come into this program to try to see if I could really get it because I do really want to vote, because it takes my legal rights away from me. And I don't see why I should not be able to vote because I don't have a piece of paper with something on it, a state I.D. or whatever what they call it.

MALVEAUX: Ms. Applewhite, Ms. Dianis, we certainly hope you will be able to vote, that this will be sorted out. We appreciate your time here.

We want to mention that Governor Thomas Corbett signed the voter I.D. bill into law. Other supporters have defended it. They say it's going to protect the integrity of the voting process. The head of the Department of State that oversees Pennsylvania elections says she believes the voter I.D. law will stand up in court, saying we believe the law is on sound legal footing. We'll see how that goes.

They're calling it a suicide. Now, doctors are going to take a look at a star football player's brain to find out if playing the game could have driven him to his death.

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MALVEAUX: Junior Seau's brain will be studied for concussion damage. A pastor for the San Diego Chargers says the former NFL star's family wants to help other football players.

These are exclusive pictures of Seau at a charity golf tournament just 36 hours before he killed himself. And here is a clip of what we believe to be his last interview.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) JUNIOR SEAU, FORMER NFL FOOTBALL PLAYER: You know, it's fun to be in the position that we're in and it's for kids that look up to us and, you know, for us to be able to give so much back.

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MALVEAUX: Joining me now, Dr. Sanjay Gupta, who is also a neurosurgeon.

Sanjay, good to see you in person here.

DR. SANJAY GUPTA, CNN CHIEF MEDICAL CORRESPONDENT: Thanks.

MALVEAUX: Give us a sense of what they're going to be looking for when they examine his brain.

GUPTA: I'll preface by saying it's tough to talk about, just how recent this all is. I've been to this lab. It's called a Sports Legacy Institute, and they're going to be looking at his brain, looking for these protein deposits that are called plaques and tangles. And typically, you think of these sorts of things in conjunction are Alzheimer's disease. It's a similar sort of thing that, in this case, they're trying to make the diagnosis of CTE, which stands for chronic traumatic encephalopathy. This is relatively new science, and some of what we're describe, some of what's been happening over the last few years is still very, very early on in terms of what they're finding.

MALVEAUX: What do you think they would find in a brain like that?

GUPTA: I am pretty confident they're going to find CTE, in part, because of the 19 NFL players' brains that they've already examined, players who died for various reasons. 18 of them had evidence of CTE. This is -- it was striking, I think, to hear that from the researchers in the first place. I think, even to them, they were surprised that it was as prevalent. And I also saw the evidence of CTE in a player's brain as young as 17 years old. So there's evidence, not only is it prevalent, but that it starts very early on in life.

MALVEAUX: His family said he had many concussions, but he didn't really talk about it. Does it surprising that he wasn't more vocal about what was going on?

GUPTA: Not at all. We did this documentary, and we spent a lot of time with football players. We heard the same thing over and over again. And I'm a sports nut. I love sports. It's that warrior mentality. Not only do the players want to minimize the symptoms, but a lot of people around them often do as well. I think as a result they -- even the terms they use for concussion. Oh, he got a ding or he got his bell rung. They almost serve to minimize what it was, and that a concussion is a brain injury. And if you call it a brain injury, then suddenly everyone's attitude towards it changes.

MALVEAUX: So do we have any idea how we can make the game of football even safer? I mean, does this have to be the outcome? GUPTA: I don't think so, and I think, you know, I'm -- I try to be a solutions oriented guy. One of the things, you know, is that the worst consequences of somebody gets a concussion and gets a second concussion on top of it. You got to prevent that from happening because that can be deadly. So now you're seeing, if you watch football games closely, players are pulled out, they get a sideline exam until they're convinced that the brain is healed. They don't get to play again.

Also, even during practices, high school level, college level, just hitting the head over and over and over again is part of drills. You're starting to see less of that as well because you don't want to accumulate so many hits to the head over a player's season or a player's lifetime. A player like Junior Seau played for so long and had so many hits, you see the condition in terms of what I think what they will likely find.

MALVEAUX: It's tragic. But I hope we can learn something from this, that we can make those sports safer and starting at a young, young age.

I want you to stick around with us --

GUPTA: Yes.

PHILLIPS: -- if you would, because this is something that everybody hates. We're talking about cellulite. Doesn't matter how many squats or lunges you do, oh, the dreaded dimples don't go away. What if you were told there might be a way of getting rid of them forever? We're going to show it to you up next.

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MALVEAUX: Almost every woman has it. We all hate it. I'm talking about cellulite. It is the dreaded dimpling of fat that is resistant to all forms of diet and exercise. But there is a new treatment out there that has just been approved by the FDA.

Dr. Sanjay Gupta is taking a look at how it's supposed to work.

We have a warning here. Some of the images are a little tough to watch.

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DR. JAY KULKIN, WOMEN'S INSTITUTE FOR HEALTH, ATLANTA: These are actually areas of fat that are protruding through the skin.

GUPTA: Cellulite, more than 80 percent of women develop it and spend millions of dollars on over the counter creams as a temporary fix.

SHEKIA RICHARD, 33-YEAR OLD CELLULASE PATIENT: I have been working out my entire life. Very athletic, have been forever, used to be in the military. I still have issues.

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GUPTA: So Shelia Richard chose to get cellulase, a new FDA- approved procedure that targets cellulite from under the skin.

KULKIN: There are fibers in the fat that are actually pulling the skin down. And what we're going to do is going to release those fibers.

GUPTA: According to a small study of 10 women, with funding by the company, with one treatment, cellulite is gone. And results last a year or more.

The patient uses a local anesthetic, and is awake the entire time.

KULKIN: You feel a little needle there.

GUPTA: Once numb, a laser is inserted under the skin.

KULKIN: Right this moment, I'm melting the fat that is causing the bulges up in her skin. Cellulite has bulges and dimples, that cottage cheese appearance everyone complains about. What I'm first doing is melting the bulges.

All right, so we've done all of our green circled areas. Now we're going to go after those things that are pulling down the skin.

GUPTA: Here what is cellulase looks like from the inside. First, the laser goes in, melts the fat cells that cause bulges. Next it cut and vaporizes the fibers under the skin which cause the dimples. The laser heats the skin which allows new collagen to form.

KULKIN: This is nothing somebody that happened overnight a. Dynamic process and we get people who want the quick fix and we can't deliver that.

GUPTA: It can take three months after the procedure to see the full results. But too soon to say how long these results will last.

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MALVEAUX: Dr. Sanjay Gupta is back. The big question that we all had this morning is do guys get cellulite?

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Don't you guys have this problem?

GUPTA: I think maybe in a much smaller percentage than women. It's just not as common. This is one of those unique attributes, I guess.

MALVEAUX: Things are tough for us.

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PHILLIPS: Is this expensive?

GUPTA: It is. You know, it's about $2,500 to do a single area on both legs. So if you start doing multiple areas, the cost can ramp up pretty quickly. And it's a cosmetic procedure, so you are weighing the risks and the benefits as you do with all procedures. In this case, it's not going to be covered by insurance.

MALVEAUX: What are the potential side effects?

GUPTA: One of the big ones is potential infection. You saw the procedure there. Really that was what it looks like. Getting a wound infection in one of those areas, that could be a problem. And obviously, again, just the cost in trying to figure out how long it's going to last. If this was year-long data. Although, we talked to people that had it three years ago, and they said that the cellulite had not come back.

MALVEAUX: They're promising this could be forever? You could just get rid of it?

GUPTA: They're saying -- I mean, at least now they're saying it's at least a year. But I think that the -- once you see the procedure, you see why it works. In terms of it not coming back, blood flow, making sure people are up walking around, that they're not carrying too much weight. All that stuff is going to make a difference.

But the creams -- by the way, people spend millions of dollars on those creams. I found this interesting. A lot of them just basically plump up the skin a little bit, so the skin looks a little plumper and the cellulite seems to have disappeared. But it comes back because you're not actually taking away the underlying problem.

MALVEAUX: Right. As we saw in that procedure. Wow. OK.

GUPTA: That was a lot to look at, right?

MALVEAUX: Jeez.

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I'm going to go for the run and hope that does the job.

GUPTA: My kind of gal.

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PHILLIPS: Thanks, Sanjay. Good to see you.

GUPTA: You too.

MALVEAUX: So you don't want to miss your appointment with Sanjay this weekend. He has new office hours.

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"Sanjay Gupta, M.D." now airs Saturday at 4:30 p.m. eastern and Sunday at 7:30 in the morning.

CNN NEWSROOM continues right now with Fredricka Whitfield.

Fred, that looked pretty intense there, no?

FREDRICKA WHITFIELD, CNN ANCHOR: I don't know. And, you know, Suzanne and Sanjay, plump to cover dimples. That's not a good combination either. Very depressing. But thanks for bringing that to us and keeping us informed. Thanks so much.

MALVEAUX: Thanks.

WHITFIELD: You all have a great weekend.