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Facebook For Kids; Prince Philip Hospitalized; Arrest In Dismemberment Case; Talking To Mariela Castro; Political Allies With A Rocky Past; Prince Philip Hospitalized; Chicago Pastor Fights Violence; American Piloting Crashed Plane in Lagos, U.S. Citizens Aboard; What Life is Like Inside Pakistan; Putting Political Claims to the Test; Doctors Excited About News Cancer Drug; Scott Walker Finds Out Recall Results Tomorrow
Aired June 04, 2012 - 13:00 ET
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ZORAIDA SAMBOLIN, CNN ANCHOR: I'm Zoraida Sambolin in for Suzanne Malveaux. Let's get right to it. It was supposed to be a day of celebrations for the royal family. But Queen Elizabeth's husband, 90-year-old Prince Philip has been taken to the hospital for a bladder infection. According to the press secretary to the queen, he will remain under observation for a few days, but this is all simply a precautionary measure, they say.
An arrest in a gruesome international murder mystery. German police have captured Luka Rocco Magnotta, a self-described porn star accused of killing and dismembering a student in Canada. Body parts were mailed to Canadian police and to politicians. Canadian authorities confirmed the arrest a short time ago.
George Zimmerman's lawyer says he will file for a new bond hearing. The man accused of murdering Trayvon Martin had his bail revoked by the judge in the case and was sent back to jail over the weekend. The judge said Zimmerman lied about his finances in order to get a lower bond.
So right now, let's bring in Christiane Amanpour, host of CNN's international, "AMANPOUR." She has scored a rare exclusive interview with Mariela Castro who was in the United States speaking about gay rights and attending a conference. And Christiane, on that visit by Mariela Castro outraged people who oppose the Castro regime. Was she trying to make inroads here and does she speak at all for her father's regime?
CHRISTIANE AMANPOUR, HOST, "CNN'S INTERNATIONAL": Well, two interesting questions. I don't think she was trying to make inroads except that she did want to come and participate in this great -- this rather large gay and lesbian conference, which she did in San Francisco, and she also talked to the New York public library here. But of course ,whenever a Castro comes to the United States, one inevitably needs to ask them not just about those issues, but about the greater issues of whether there will be any more freedoms, what will happen to dissenters, and how the progress is going to be in Cuba because we've seen it's already happened to an extent in the economics sphere under her father, the president, Raul Castro. So, I talked to her about all these issues. I also asked her about President Obama, because he's obviously taken the Cuban file a little further than his predecessor has. This is what she had to say about President Obama.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: (INAUDIBLE.)
AMANPOUR: Well, I asked her about what he had done in terms of opening up the way the U.S. deals with Cuba a little bit, certainly in remittances and other such things. And she thought that this was progress. She also said that she appreciated President Obama's move on gay issues such as supporting same-sex marriage, and she did volunteer that if she was an American citizen, she might, indeed, even vote for President Obama, in fact, she would. But beyond that issue, on the crucial issue of what might happen, what might change inside Cuba, she made some very interesting comments. Not only on the gay issue, whether or not there would be an agreement for the first time in history on civil unions in Cuba, but also on travel restrictions. She said that's going to be taken up by the parliament sometime this year and she supported that. We talked about Allen Gross, the American who is in prison in Cuba. She said she favored a comprehensive release of him and the Cuban five, those who are arrested here, and she talked about a progressive but slow movement towards a Democratic and civil rights inside Cuba itself.
SAMBOLIN: Christiane, is this an official visit? Does she speak officially on behalf of her father?
AMANPOUR: No, she takes great pains to say she doesn't, but, of course, she does talk with obviously with the her hear to the presidency. When questions about democracy and dissent, the embargo and all those kinds of questions are put to her, she does speak at least with somebody who has authority, but it was not an official visit. She was granted a visa by the state department to take part in this conference, and, in fact, it's not her first visit. The Bush administration gave her a visa back in 2002 as well.
SAMBOLIN: So Christiane, I can't leave you without talking about the situation in Syria, especially after the massacre in Houla where children were among 100 people that were killed. When will western leaders move onto a plan B, move in and try to help?
AMANPOUR: Well, you know, I think the most worrying thing is there is no plan B. I've heard and it's been said to me by the secretary-general of the United Nations, it's been said by many, many other world leaders as well. What we know is that Kofi Annan, upon whom right now all hopes rest for the so-called peace plan which as you know is not working, he's going to be meeting, it's just been announced, secretary of state Hillary Clinton along with Arab league members at the end of this week on Friday in Washington. Perhaps something will come out of that, but the truth of the matter is that there seems to be a major vacuum of leadership in the United States and around the world as to what to do next.
The alternatives right now seem to be to hope that the Annan plan works. It has not worked as we've seen with the massacres. To pressure the Russians to try to get them to use their good offices with the Syrians, that doesn't seem to be going anywhere, Russia doesn't seem to want to pressure the Syrians anymore than they are being pressured right now, or to take some kind of joint international action amongst like-minded nations to put a stop to this, and that is what people certainly inside Syria are calling for increasingly now.
SAMBOLIN: That's a horrific situation to just stand by and --
AMANPOUR: It is.
SAMBOLIN: -- continue watching, yes.
We appreciate your thoughts this morning. Christiane Amanpour, thank you for joining us.
This afternoon I should say. I'm still on mornings hear. President Obama teams up with President Clinton for a trio of ritzy glitzy fund-raisers. The evening starts with a big dollar dinner at a private homes. From there, it's on to a gala celebration at the Waldorf-Astoria. They end the night with a Broadway concert at the New Amsterdam theater. Bill Clinton has emerged as one of President Obama's main campaign surrogates, but their past relationship has been rocky at times. The story from Brianna Keilar.
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BRIANNA KEILAR, CNN CONGRESSIONAL CORRESPONDENT (voice- over): As President Obama's campaign tries to make a liability of Mitt Romney's past experience as the head of a private equity firm, Bill Clinton talking recently about Romney on CNN's "PIERS MORGAN TONIGHT" apparently didn't get the memo.
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BILL CLINTON, FORMER PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: And I think he had a good business career. There's no question that in terms of getting up and going to the office and, you know, basically performing the essential functions of the office, a man who has been governor and had a sterling business career crosses the qualification threshold.
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KEILAR: On the same team as Obama but reading from a different playbook. Bill Clinton's support is key to the president this election, though their relationship, to put it mildly, has had its ups and downs. In 2007, Bill Clinton took aim at the then-junior senator from Illinois.
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CLINTON: You know, I'm old-fashioned. I think it really -- I think a president ought to have done something for other people and for his country when you pick a president.
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KEILAR: President Clinton questioned Obama's inexperience.
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CLINTON: I mean, when is the last time we elected a president based on one year of service in the Senate before he started running?
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KEILAR: In early 2008, Obama won Iowa and entered into an all had been out feud with the former first couple.
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HILLARY CLINTON, SECRETARY OF STATE: I'm here, he's not.
BARACK OBAMA ,PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: OK, well, I can't tell who I am running against sometimes.
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KEILAR: The two men have never been especially close, but appointing Hillary Clinton secretary of state helping heal some wounds. And since taking office, Obama has looked to the popular president for help. Hosting him at the White House during contentious negotiations with Congress in 2010.
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BILL CLINTON: I have a general rule which is that whatever he asks me about my advice and whatever I say should become public only if he decides to make it public. He can say whatever he wants.
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KEILAR: Obama hopes President Clinton can woo voters in the south and some rust belt states. The Obama campaign is featuring Clinton in ads and hitting up his network of wealthy donors. Obama and Clinton appeared at a fund-raiser together last month at the home of long-time Clinton supporter Terry Mcauliffe, raising $2.1 million.
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SAMBOLIN: Brianna Keilar joins us now live And Brianna, I've got to tell you, you almost forget some of those bitter moments until you put them together the way that you did. How is their relationship now?
KEILAR: You know, right now at this moment it, appears that they have been able to smooth over some of those differences, Zoraida, was not always the case. In fact, one source close to Bill Clinton told me that it was really Bill Clinton, not Hillary Clinton, who bore a grudge against President Obama, because of the way that he felt his wife was treated. And it was certainly a bitter battle back in 2008. The kind of switching point was really the transition as President Obama came into power and appointed Hillary Clinton and also the fact that Bill Clinton liked the way that that was handled. He liked the way the Obama transition team dealt with him, and certainly now he wants to see President Obama re-elected and the Obama campaign is very happy to put him out front and center, but you sort of see that, you know, Bill Clinton speaks his mind and that doesn't necessarily always keep them on the same page.
SAMBOLIN: No, it certainly doesn't always work in his favor. So, how do you think they're going to continue using him going forward?
KEILAR: They're using him in almost every way that you can use a surrogate on a campaign. As we said, there will be ads. Of course, the fund-raising is very key. These three fund-raisers tonight in New York City that President Obama and Bill Clinton will headline together. But President Clinton is also key when it comes to the messaging. He's been making T.V. appearances, as you know. He's also going, and this will continue throughout the campaign up to election day, to a number of battle ground states kind of trying to deliver a message not only as a reminder of a better economy under a Democrat but also sort of saying I know what needs to be done on the economy, and President Obama is doing the right thing and trying to convince voters of that -- Zoraida.
SAMBOLIN: All right, Brianna Keilar live in Washington for us. Thank you very much.
And here is what we're working on for this hour.
(voice-over): Dozens more shot over the weekend in Chicago. Why the violence is reaching a boiling point.
And drugs, hit men, and roaming gangs. It's just another night in this booming Pakistani city. Why the violence there matters to us here.
Then diamond, parties and (INAUDIBLE). We'll take you to the party that London is throwing for the queen.
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MALVEAUX: It was supposed to be a day of celebration for the royal family, but Queen Elizabeth's husband, 90-year-old prince Philip, has been taken to the hospital hours before he was to join the queen at a star-studded concert celebrating her diamond jubilee. Richard Quest joins me from London, and, Richard, I understand prince Philip was hospitalized for a bladder infection. What more can you tell us? Do you know how he's doing right now?
RICHARD QUEST, HOST, "QUEST MEANS BUSINESS": The palace said that it had -- he had been admitted to hospital for what they describe as a bladder infection so that he could be assessed and he could be treated. They are describing it as a precautionary measure, but, remember, Prince Philip will be 91 years old on June the 10th, just next week. So frankly, anything to do with a 90-year-old you don't take any risks. He was in hospital in December when he said heart problems and a stent, a coronary stent, was put in because of problems there.
The extraordinary thing, of course, was the way the prince along with the queen stood for more than four hours yesterday during the jubilee concert, and questions will certainly be raised and asked about did -- well, did he overdo it yesterday in waiting -- I n standing out in the cold, in the driving rain, and whether that actually has contributed in any shape or form to him having to be hospitalized.
QUEST: And questions will certainly be raised and about , did -- well, did he overdo it yesterday in waiting -- in standing out in the cold, in the driving rain, and whether that actually has contributed in any shape or form to him having to be hospitalized. But we do know that he is in hospital. He'll miss the concert today. And he will miss tomorrow's service of thanksgiving at St. Paul's Cathedral and the carriage procession. The queen, however, will go on.
SAMBOLIN: Do we know how long he will stay in the hospital?
QUEST: They are saying a few days. Now, anyone who knows Prince Philip knows that it will be as little as is humanly possible. He will be a very, very disappointed to have been admitted to hospital at the queen's great moment and a great day of celebration. He clearly looked like he was enjoying every second of yesterday.
SAMBOLIN: Yes.
QUEST: A nautical man. A man from the Navy. He loved what was happening. And so we'll -- in the hours ahead, we'll get an idea of how this came about, why they thought it was so serious. But I keep coming back to this core fact. Ninety-year-olds, particularly those who have had a heart problem, you don't take any risks with. And if he's got a bladder infection, they're going to want to treat it.
SAMBOLIN: No, absolutely not, but he looked well in all the video that we were watching from yesterday's festivities. Let's get back to that star-studded concert that's happening. How many people are expected to attend that?
QUEST: Twelve thousand will be there in front of the Victoria Memorial outside the palace, including the royal family. There will be many more -- tens of thousands watching on screens in Hyde Park, in Green Park, along the mall. I mean London has now become one big watch a concert, sit and watch the royals. And so that is going to be a magnificent time.
We are told that there will be -- or we're expecting -- some little gems. For instance, 10 years ago, Brian May (ph) played on the rooftop of Buckingham Palace. This time it's going to be, we expect Madness, the group, who will play "Our House" on the roof of Buckingham Palace. And we know there will be one or two other surprises, we just haven't been told what they are.
SAMBOLIN: Are you going, Richard? You seem to really be into it.
QUEST: What do you mean am I into it? Of course I'm into it. No, I'm -- what a question. A chance to see Elton John.
SAMBOLIN: You're playing an air guitar. You're playing an air guitar.
QUEST: Well, yes, rather badly. A chance to play -- to see Cliff Richard, Elton John, Dame Shirley Bassey (ph), Paul McCartney. Who wouldn't? No, unfortunately, you'll be delighted, as indeed will our mutual bosses be delighted, to know that I'm doing service in the service of the corporation. And I will still be doing deep duty service tonight in Trafalgar Square.
SAMBOLIN: I think you're going to be bopping along to all the music as well. Richard Quest, thank you so much for joining us. We appreciate it.
QUEST: Thank you.
SAMBOLIN: So, celebrations marking 60 years of Queen Elizabeth's reign continue on CNN Tuesday. You heard him. Join Piers Morgan, as well, as we're following live from London for a royal extravaganza, CNN Tuesday morning, beginning at 9:00 Eastern.
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SAMBOLIN: A Chicago pastor is so furious and fed up with deadly violence in his city, he is taking to the streets, literally. You might remember Pastor Corey Brooks. He spent almost three months on the rooftop of a Chicago motel trying to get people to pay attention to the senseless killings in his community. He came down only after media mogul Tyler Perry gave him a call to help in his cause. Now Brooks is leaving tomorrow on a cross country walk to raise awareness about the violence, not just in Chicago, he says, but in cities across the United States. At a church service yesterday, he shared his vision.
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PASTOR COREY BROOKS, NEW BEGINNINGS CHURCH OF CHICAGO: I want to walk across America because too many black boys are dying at the hands of other black boys and ain't nobody saying nothing and somebody has got to face the challenge.
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SAMBOLIN: Pastor Corey Brooks joins me now.
We're really happy to have you right before you start this walk.
What do you hope to accomplish, big picture?
BROOKS: Well, big picture is, I'm hoping to accomplish bringing attention and awareness to the gun violence that's so prevalent, not just in the city of Chicago, but across this nation. In the inner cities across America, we face a major issue. And then the second thing I'm trying to do, is we're trying to raise $15 million to build a community and economic development center in place of the hotel where I stayed on for 94 days and we're trying to do something to enhance the lives of young people on the south side of Chicago.
SAMBOLIN: And do you think that will have a big impact? Because I want to share some statistics with you here. Homicides in the city of Chicago are up 49 percent over this time last year. Over the Memorial Day weekend, 40 kids were shot, 10 were killed. How do you expect that this will impact that?
BROOKS: Well, it's going to impact it because it takes more than police. It takes parents. It takes pastors. It takes politicians as well. All of us collaborating and working together. At this center, we're going to fight four basic ills. Social ills, spiritual ills, educational ills, and economic ills. And at that center, when we do that, we will help curb the tide of violence.
SAMBOLIN: So give us some more details on this walk, because, you know, this community center, once, you know, you raise some money to build it out, right, it's going to take a lot of money to continue making it work.
BROOKS: Absolutely.
SAMBOLIN: And, you know, the state of Illinois, the city of Chicago in a financial crisis, as are all sorts of states across the country. So how do you think you will be able to do this long term?
BROOKS: Long term it's all about endowments, it's about foundations, it's about government grants, it's about people being concerned and compassionate throughout the time to consistently give. I have no doubt that people are going to give when they understand the issues that are at hand because people understand that lives are worth saving and I don't really think you can put a number on the value of a life.
SAMBOLIN: What do you think the problem is?
BROOKS: Well, it's basic. It's four basic problems that we're facing. We have educational problems in the city of Chicago, not just the city of Chicago, but inner cities across America. We've got economic issues. We've got social issues and spiritual issues. And when you put all of those things into one neighborhood, then it's a powder keg ready to explode and that's what we're seeing every single day on the south side of Chicago. And that's the reason why we need people to support, to go to projecthood.org and see how the -- see in the many ways that they could help us to build this center on the south side.
SAMBOLIN: And is your goal to start in the city of Chicago and then branch out, or do you have a goal to start big?
BROOKS: Absolutely. Our goal is to start a prototype, to create a model in the city of Chicago. And as we create that model, we want to go larger.
Oh, I met with pastors just this morning in Brooklyn. I'm going to be meeting with pastors in Philadelphia on Saturday. So as I go across the nation, I'm going to be meeting with pastors and non for profits and people who are concerned about handling the issues of the inner city as it relates to gun violence. And we're going to continue to expand and grow as much as we possibly can.
SAMBOLIN: How about pastors in your own community and your mayor? I know that he held a press conference last week -- I believe it was on Wednesday -- to add more police to the streets. How are you uniting with them in order to try to address this problem?
BROOKS: Well, we have a wonderful program that we do. We call it hood-vasion. It's where we patrol the streets ourselves, because we understand it takes more than just police patrol. It takes community patrolling. It takes community involvement. It takes a lot of collaboration with a lot of different organizations cohesively working together to strategically create a system and a plan to get rid of violence. And that's what we're doing. And that's the reason why we need everyone who possibly can to go to our website, projecthood.org, and see the many ways that they can help us to do all the things that we need to do.
SAMBOLIN: All right, Pastor Corey Brooks, we wish you a lot of luck. Much success.
BROOKS: Thank you so much. I appreciate it.
SAMBOLIN: Thanks for joining us.
BROOKS: Yes.
SAMBOLIN: All right, a passenger plane goes down in Nigeria and Americans were on board, including the pilot.
And, don't forget, you can watch CNN live on your computer while you are at work. Head to cnn.com/tv.
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SAMBOLIN: Here are some of the stories that we're following.
Almost 40 years after the war with Vietnam, there was a dramatic exchange this week in Hanoi. Defense Secretary Leon Panetta received personal letters taken from an American army sergeant killed in action in 1966. In exchange, Panetta returned the diary of a Vietnamese soldier killed that same year.
Mitt Romney's favorable ratings are up, but he still trails President Obama in popularity. In a new CNN/ORC poll, 56 percent of Americans say they have a favorable opinion of the president. That's compared to 48 percent who have a positive view of Romney. Forty-two percent have an unfavorable opinion of both.
And FaceBook is considering letting younger children onto its website. That is right. Kids younger than 13 may soon be allowed to log on to the social media site with the rest of us, with, of course, parental supervision. Some say FaceBook is just trying to profit off our children. But according to a study from the online journal "First Monday," a lot of kids are already on FaceBook. 69 percent of 13-year- olds and 55 percent of 12-year-olds. So check their accounts.
Nigerian officials say an American was piloting the plane that crashed yesterday in Lagos and the State Department confirms that U.S. citizens were on board.
Let's go live now to Vladimir Duthiers in Lagos.
Do we have any updated numbers on that fatal flight, including how many Americans were on board?
VLADIMIR DUTHIERS, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Zoraida, just recently we heard from the State Department and they have confirmed that there were American citizens on board this flight. However, they have not given us a number. What we did confirm earlier this morning was that the pilot of this aircraft was an American citizen. We do know that this airplane was rolled off the assembly line in 1990 for Alaska Airways. Donna Air in Nigeria purchased that aircraft several years ago, and the airline itself has only been in existence for about four and a half years.
As far as other citizens, most of the passengers were Nigerian although we're told there were also some Chinese citizens, some Indians, and some Lebanese -- Zoraida?
SAMBOLIN: Vladimir, what are airline officials saying about the minutes before the plane went down? Do we have any information?
DUTHIERS: So the chief pilot, I spoke to him earlier this morning. He said that right before -- the plane was about 11 miles away from the runway when the pilot radioed in for an emergency. He said there was some kind of emergency on the aircraft. That was the last they heard from him.
Witnesses on the ground say the plane was coming in what they call low and slow. The plane hit tail first into a densely populated neighborhood. Some of the homes are so close together, you could actually just stand in between the two homes and touch both of them at the same time. So far, we don't have a number of casualties on the ground yet, but it's a miracle that many more people were not killed. We were literally standing just across the street from the crash site in a home that was standing, you know, perfectly rock solid, talking to some of the people that survived the crash, and essentially they were saying they were very, very lucky because the plane seemed to only hit about three buildings in this neighborhood where houses are literally packed on top of each other -- Zoraida?
SAMBOLIN: I know that it's really difficulty at this stage of the game. We are talking earlier about perhaps 10 people dead on the ground. What do we know about the search operation as it continues? As we were watching this fire, which is totally out of control in that densely populated area that you had mentioned, it was a really difficult fire to put out.
DUTHIERS: Yes. When we arrived on the scene last night, it was pandemonium, chaotic. There were no lights, and it's pitch dark normally in Lagos. Very few homes have running electricity. Everybody powers up with a generator. We get out there, it's pitch dark. There are a few fire brigades trying to put some water on there. Lagos, for a city of almost 16 million people, has very few fire brigades. There were some people using pails of water to try to put the fire out.
Today, a much different scenario. The first responders have blocked off, cordoned off the area around the crash site. What we saw was a smooth operation going. When we spoke to the head of the agencies that were responding to the crash, they had already pulled 53 bodies from the wreckage. They were pulling many more out when we were there. Much different scenario from what we witnessed last night.
SAMBOLIN: All right. Vladimir Duthiers, live for us in Lagos for us. Thank you very much for that report.
Hit men, kidnappers, and roaming gangs -- it's just another night inside one of Pakistan's fastest-growing cities. We'll tell you why the violence there matters to us here.
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SAMBOLIN: It is hard to underestimate the importance of Pakistan right now. It is a nuclear power critical to the fight in Afghanistan, and the country where Osama bin Laden was finally gunned down, but what's life actually like inside Pakistan?
Suroosh Alvi, the co-founder of "Vice," took a trip to the country's most volatile city, Karachi.
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SUROOSH ALVI, CO-FOUNDER, VICE (voice-over): Karachi is the biggest and fastest growing city in Pakistan. With a population of around 18 million people, it's one of the biggest in the world. It is also the country's financial capital and is considered the most educated and diverse city in Pakistan.
However, it is also the most violent.
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ALVI: It's true, we hear about violence in Pakistan all the time, at least when it comes to the seemingly never ending war against the Taliban and al Qaeda. But in 2011, more than three times as many people were killed in Karachi than the number of people killed in American drug strikes in the tribal areas.
Why does that matter? Because Pakistan matters. Whether you're an American, worried about the extremists, an Indian, worried about the nukes, or of a Afghan, worried about Pakistan's ambitions, basically Pakistan is a powder keg, and Karachi is the detonator that could set it al off.
(END VIDEOTAPE) SAMBOLIN: Suroosh Alvi joins me now.
You depict Karachi as almost a war zone in itself. How unstable are things there?
ALVI: Well, we've been filming in Pakistan for the last seven years. This is our first time in Karachi. We felt like this country was turning into a powder keg. It's been in a tailspin.
After going to Karachi, it felt like this is a city that could be the detonator to set it all off. The violence between the political parties, the fact that you can hire hitmen on the ground for $700, and there's 600 of these guys roaming around the city, and the influx of the Taliban is creating -- they're like the new gang in town in Karachi now. And it's also growing so fast that all these factors together are creating an incredibly volatile situation. And the big fear is like if Karachi goes -- you know, erupts into civil war and Pakistan becomes a failed nation, it'll destabilize the whole region.
SAMBOLIN: There's some very graphic moments in your filming. Is that something you witnessed continuously or were there just moments?
ALVI: A lot of it, we weren't expecting. It just happened. We go into a neighborhood and the next thing we know we're in the middle of the riot between the police and the kids protecting the gangsters in that neighborhood. Or going to the police station, next thing we know we're embedded with them hunting Taliban in the neighborhoods. Or driving down the street and seeing these heroin addicts shooting up, getting heroin for 80 cents a gram. It's just like it's a charged environment and there's a lot going on there.
And, you know, Karachi is the economic engine of the country. It's the most educated city in the country and --
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SAMBOLIN: I was shocked to see that when I was watching your video, how educated that country actually is.
Talk about the drone strikes. A lot of Pakistanis have lost their lives because of that.
ALVI: And the net effect is that it's radicalizing the country. It was radicalizing the region originally in the tribal areas and it's been this process -- it's kind of like this cockroach effect. You stamp down on them and then they go to the left and to the right, and the next thing you know they're in the whole country.
Slowly, but surely -- you had be hard pressed to find anyone in Pakistan -- I didn't come across anyone that supported the drone strikes. Granted, they have been effective in killing the militants, but the kind of collateral damage of the drone strikes in the country as a whole is really intense. SAMBOLIN: One of the things I believe you mention in your our film is you wouldn't have been surprised if Osama bin Laden would not have been found there. Why is that?
ALVI: Well, I mean, within the government, within the civilian government, within the army and within the ISI, the Pakistani equivalent of the CIA, this powerful shadow government, there are a lot of forces within those organizations that are empathizing or harboring Taliban over the last 10 years. So there's kind of a lack of unity within the government. And so it's been, you know -- it should be -- come as no surprise that he was there.
SAMBOLIN: If Karachi is as lawless as you say it is and we have to work with them and have a relationship with them, how do you see that happening?
ALVI: Well, I think, the relationship between Pakistan and America has been kind of a dysfunctional partnership over the last 10 years. It doesn't seem to be getting any better. So I'm not -- I don't have the answers. I'm not that hopeful or optimistic.
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But the simple analogy is kind of like this -- you know, Pakistan has been America's girlfriend for the last 10 years, and she's been cheating on us.
SAMBOLIN: I know you said that if the military in Pakistan would have been responsible for finding Osama bin Laden, that that would have never happened. It's one of those moments in your film that I thought was really impressive. Also, when you walk around with the military and what they're incapable of doing.
ALVI: Well, OK, that was the police force, and they were --
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SAMBOLIN: I'm sorry. Yes, the police force.
ALVI: Actually, there's a difference. The Army hasn't been in the mix here. That's a whole other conversation. But we were with 300 police officers and they were just overwhelmed, inept, under paid, and they are in over their heads. But the interesting thing about them is that they're just, you know -- like the media is everywhere filming all of it, and they're more concerned about what network is this going to air on tonight as opposed to who are these guys?
SAMBOLIN: It's a fascinating look. I encourage everybody to take a look.
Suroosh Alvi, thank you so much for joining us.
ALVI: Thank you very much.
SAMBOLIN: We appreciate it.
You can see the rest of the "Vice Guide to Karachi" online at youtube.com/vice.
So the first lady says only 2 percent of schools have physical education. Does that number sound a little suspect to you? We'll run it through our political fact check.
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SAMBOLIN: With all the political rhetoric flying back and forth, sometimes it can be tough to separate fact from fiction. So we're putting some of those political claims to the test.
Bill Adair is the Washington bureau chief for the "Tampa Bay Times" and editor of Politifact.com.
Thank you for joining us.
So let's start with this from Crossroads GPS, the pro- Republican group, founded by Karl Rove. In a television ad, the groups says, "President Obama broke his promise to help homeowners facing foreclosure." True or false?
BILL ADAIR, WASHINGTON BUREAU CHIEF, TAMPA BAY TIMES & EDITOR, POLITIFACT.COM: That got a mostly true on our Truth-O-Meter. This is one where we spent several days working on this, talking to experts about what Obama had done and also reviewing our Obama-oter, which is the feature we use to rate President Obama's campaign promises. And what we found was that Crossroads is pretty accurate on this. Obama made some progress with a couple of small promises involving foreclosure, but the big ones, the ones like to have a foreclosure prevention fund for homeowners and to allow -- during bankruptcy, allow judges to change the terms of a mortgage, just haven't met Obama's own goals for this. So overall, mostly true on the Truth-O-Meter for the Crossroads ad.
SAMBOLIN: What about this statement from racing star, Dale Earnhardt, Jr. He's talking about a lawmaker who passed a bill against NASCAR sponsorships. Earnhardt says, "The Republican from Georgia" -- referring to Representative Jack Kingston -- "he hasn't even been to a NASCAR race." How does that statement rate, Bill?
ADAIR: That one gets a true on the Truth-O-Meter.
SAMBOLIN: Oh.
ADAIR: And the background here is that Kingston's amendment, as you mentioned, would prohibit the Defense Department from sponsoring NASCAR teams, such as Dale Jr's National Guard car, and there are a couple others that are sponsored by the military. And the NASCAR car drivers are obviously not happy about that and -- but Dale Jr is right, Kingston has not been to a NASCAR race so he gets a true on the Truth-O-Meter.
SAMBOLIN: Finally, let's take a look at this from First Lady Michelle Obama. In an NPR interview, she said, quote, "Only 2 percent of public high schools in the country offer physical education classes." Is that true or false?
ADAIR: No, that one -- that gets a false. This was in an interview on NPR, and a listener heard it and wondered if was true. She's just way off on that one. It's actually -- the number is more like 95 percent require P.E. in high school. What she should have said is "daily," is the 2 percent offered daily P.E.
SAMBOLIN: Ah.
ADAIR: So -- and her office acknowledged she misspoke on this one. She earns a false on the Truth-O-Meter.
SAMBOLIN: You kind of understand that one. At least, she didn't get a Pants-on-Fire rating.
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Bill Adair --
ADAIR: Exactly.
SAMBOLIN: That's right. Thank you for joining us.
ADAIR: Thanks for having me.
SAMBOLIN: So the fight against breast cancer, we'll tell you about a new drug that promises a whole new way of knocking it out.
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SAMBOLIN: Doctors are excited about a brand-new breast cancer drug they say is knocking out cancer cells in a whole new way.
Senior medical correspondent, Elizabeth Cohen, joins us.
Sounds very exciting, Elizabeth. The drug is called TDM1. How does it work?
ELIZABETH COHEN, CNN SENIOR MEDICAL CORRESPONDENT: Right. It's so new, it doesn't even have a name yet.
Zoraida, the way it works, we've all heard about chemotherapy and chemotherapy attacks everything, good and bad. It's not the greatest way to fight cancer. But this drug has the power of chemotherapy but it's like a heat-seeking missile. It only targets the cancer cells.
So to give you a few more details, the "T" in the name of the drug is herceptin, which is a really effective cancer drug that's been out there for a while and the -- and it targets -- that's the target. The herceptin is the target part. And TDM1 is the chemotherapy drug. So you get the chemotherapy plus the herceptin that does the actual targeting, the heat-seeking missile, as it were -- Zoraida?
SAMBOLIN: Obviously, they've tested it. How well does it work against the cancer?
COHEN: When they tested it in women with advanced stage cancer, they lived three months longer. The women who took this drug live three months longer than those who didn't.
SAMBOLIN: Are you there, Elizabeth?
COHEN: I am.
SAMBOLIN: OK, three months doesn't sound like a long time. Why are they so excited?
COHEN: It isn't that long of a time. Let me tell you two reasons they've excited. One, this study is proof of principle that using these targeted therapies in this particular way works. So that's exciting.
Also, I was talking to the chief medical officer for the American Cancer Society, Dr. Otis Brawley, and he said, we were using it in advanced cancer for this study. But maybe if we try using it earlier in women before they get really sick, we'll get even more than three months improved survival. So there's a lot of excitement about the future, not just about this one study.
SAMBOLIN: And when will they actually be doing that, studying it further to see if it affects women who aren't that far advances?
COHEN: I don't think that's not immediately. But he says that's the future of this drug. I also want to add, this is not -- sometimes when there's excitement about a cancer drug, people start talking about the "C" word, cure. But this is not a cure for breast cancer. It's hopefully a better treatment compared to what's already out there.
SAMBOLIN: We certainly hope so.
Thank you, Elizabeth Cohen --
COHEN: Thanks.
SAMBOLIN: -- live for us in Atlanta.
Elizabeth has a special report you'll want to see. Thousands of people die every year because of blunders their doctors make. Find out how you can protect yourself. "25 Shocking Medical Mistakes," this Saturday night at 8:00 eastern, only on CNN.
It is a state race with massive implications for the rest of the country. We'll have the latest on the Wisconsin recall.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK) SAMBOLIN: In Wisconsin, Republican Governor Scott Walker finds out tomorrow whether he will keep his job or be replaced by Democratic challenger, Tom Barrett. Walker is the focus of a recall campaign, and the race turned into a very bitter fight.
In our "In-Depth" report, Tom Foreman looks as the ad wars and how the claims from both sides add up.
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TOM FOREMAN, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): In the heated environment of Democrats trying to toss out Wisconsin's Republican governor, challenger Tom Barrett's camp use an abysmal jobs report to furiously attack Governor Scott Walker.
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AD NARRATOR: Scott Walker promised --
SCOTT WALKER, (R), GOVERNOR OF WISCONSIN: 250,000 new jobs.
AD NARRATOR: And Scott Walker delivered nothing. In fact, last year, Wisconsin lost more jobs than any state in the country.
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FOREMAN: That first claim is true. Governor Walker did promise 250,000 new jobs. It's a bit misleading because he said he'd get that done by 2015. But let's let that stand for a moment. The trickier claims are right here. Is it really possible that he has delivered nothing and Wisconsin has lost more jobs than any other state? It is if you look at what is called the current employment statistics. This is a monthly report, a snapshot of a small percentage of businesses. Sure enough, it shows that Wisconsin lost almost 34,000 jobs in 2011, worse in the nation.
But hold on. The Wisconsin Department of Workforce Development, working with the U.S. Bureau of Labor, says much more reliable, comprehensive numbers have just been released. And this quarterly census of employment and wages shows Wisconsin actually gained 24,000 jobs last year.
So our verdict is that this ad was true when it was made, based on these numbers. But with these new information sources out there, you have to say now it is false.
Nothing delights a political incumbent these days like the whiff of a challenger wasting tax money. So now let's look at what the governor said about his Democratic foe.
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WALKER: Tom Barrett wants to spend more than $10 million on a trolley for Milwaukee. That's the kind of reckless spending that left Wisconsin with more than a $3 billion deficit.
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FOREMAN: $100 million for a trolley? That sounds expensive. It also sounds misleading when you talk to the Milwaukee Department of City Development, the folks overseeing this project. They say this trolley idea has really been around since the 1990s and construction is finally supposed to start this fall. Phase one will cost about $65 million. About $55 million will come from the government. Milwaukee voters only have to cover about $10 million. For phase two, the city is asking the feds for about $36 million. But, again, the local contribution would be much, much smaller.
Certainly, the governor can call that reckless spending if he wishes. But to suggest, as this ad does, that his opponent put the state taxpayers or the local taxpayers on the hook for $100 million, is at least misleading, and we're going to call it flat-out false.
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SAMBOLIN: CNN NEWSROOM continues right now with Ashleigh Banfield.
