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President Obama and Mitt Romney Campaign in Ohio. Egypt's Highest Court Ruled Parliament Must be Dissolved. Trial of Jerry Sandusky Winding Down. Charges Brought Agains't Lance Armstrong in Doping Scandal. Authorities in Colorado Try and Contain Wildfire. Grill in Atlanta Offers Organic Meals 24 Hours a Day. Obama Visits One World Trade Center Construction Site; 237th Birthday of the U.S. Army; Apple Rolls Out Own Military-Grade Maps; DNA Confirms Identity for Dismembered Body

Aired June 14, 2012 - 11:00   ET

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DON LEMON, ANCHOR, "CNN NEWSROOM": All right, thank you, Carol. Good to see you.

I'm Don Lemon in for Kyra today. It's 11:00 out East. It's 8:00 out West. And we're going to begin with a major development breaking right now in Egypt.

The country's highest court has just ruled that parliament must be dissolved. The supreme constitutional court also ruled that a prime minister in the former regime of President Hosni Mubarak can run in a presidential election run-off this weekend.

We should tell you that riot police, military personnel have taken up positions outside the court. CNN's Ben Wedeman joins us in just a few moments with the very latest on this. As soon as we get Ben Wedeman, we'll bring it to you.

In the meantime, back now to the U.S. You know how the old saying goes. When it rains, it pours and, for the Obama campaign, it appears to be a gully washer.

Lately, the president has had some bad poll number. He has had some bad headlines. Some Democrats are expressing doubt about his message and his chances come November. Big donors are sitting tight with their money.

And, for Mitt Romney, several things appear to be going right. He is raising a lot of money and his poll numbers have been getting better. A little more than two hours from now, both men take to the stump in the battleground state of Ohio with dueling key economic speeches. They won't be face to face, but you can bet that they won't mince words about each other either.

So, CNN's Jim Acosta joins us now from Cincinnati. Jim, the Obama campaign is billing today's speech as the framing of his economic message. He has to, number one, present a plan; number two, instill confidence; number three, convince the American people, mainly independents, that he deserves a second term. That's a lot for one speech. JIM ACOSTA, CNN CORRESPONDENT: That's right, Don. And this is as close as we've gotten to a real, general-election battle between these two candidates taking place in a battleground state.

I mean, you're going to have both President Obama and Mitt Romney on two separate stages, one in Cleveland, the president in Cleveland, Mitt Romney down here in Cincinnati at basically the same time.

It's as if the two campaigns were talking to each other and decided to put on a show for the American people because that's basically what we're going to get here in a few hours from now.

And both of these candidates, the president and Mitt Romney, have been laying out some of their lines of attack in the last couple of days. Obviously, the Republicans and Mitt Romney have been going after the president on the president's comments from last Friday on how the private sector, in Mr. Obama's words, are "doing fine."

Mitt Romney has a brand-new ad out this morning going after the president on that line from last Friday.

The Obama campaign is also going after Mitt Romney. The DNC just put out a web video yesterday that was sort of tallying up all of Mitt Romney's, quote, unquote, "out of touch" moments where he's talked about corporations are people, too, and I like to be able to fire people.

All of these snippets, of course, taken out of a larger context, both campaigns will say.

But, Don, both candidates are going to be getting down to some brass tacks when it comes to their economic plans. Mitt Romney's going to be talking about how he wants to shrink the size of the federal government. He laid out some specifics on that yesterday talking about eliminating government workers in the federal government through attrition, bringing their pay in line with the private sector. He's got some other ideas he's been talking about.

Just yesterday, White House press secretary Jay Carney was eventually reading from the campaign script, laying out to reporters gathered at the White House as to what the president is going to be talking about. He's going to be talking about trying to create an environment where the middle class can, I guess grow, stronger.

He's been talking about a jobs plan that he would like to see the Congress pass and so the president will be going back to that message today.

But make no mistake, this is really what we've all been waiting for, Don, these two candidates going at each other in a real general election, campaign-style.

LEMON: When you're talking about the president and what he'll have to do, I want to get these numbers in because I think it's very important for Americans. Most Americans, 68 percent, still believe that President Bush is responsible for the bad economy, but a growing number say Obama is to blame.

The Obama message has been blame Bush. Even his own party worries that the message is worn and, yet, Democratic leaders say he should stop saying the economy is getting better. It's interesting.

I want you to listen to this Democratic strategist, James Carville, what he said yesterday.

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JAMES CARVILLE, DEMOCRATIC STRATEGIST: I'm worried that when the White House and the campaign talks about the progress being made, people take that as a signal that they think that things are fine, and people don't feel that or believe.

They want to be reassured that he understands the depth of the problem and that he has a plan to deal with the deterioration of the middle class.

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LEMON: So it's interesting. What is he going to say in those speeches? The president is boxed in, even by members of his own party, Jim. I'm sure the Romney campaign is take advantage of that and we'll hear about that today, as well.

ACOSTA: That's right. The RNC is already putting out an e-mail to reporters, noting what Bill Clinton said in this state two years ago, basically saying, look, if we haven't gotten the country out of this mess by the time 2012 comes around, throw us out, in the words of President Clinton.

So the Republicans, obviously, trying to make some hay out of that, but keep in mind, Don, there are some local considerations from the Romney campaign, as well. The unemployment rate here in Ohio has plummeted over the last couple years.

In January of 2010, it was above 10 percent, Don. Now, it's around 7.5 percent. The Romney campaign was asked about that on a conference call yesterday. They said, well, that's because of the Republican governor in the state, John Kasich, not because of President Obama's policies.

So the president also has some good economic news to point to. It's just a matter, as James Carville might say, go ahead and point to it. It's something that the Obama campaign has sort of struggled to do in the last several weeks because they've been sort of under attack, you know, when it comes to some of the things that the president has said on his own, when it comes to what Bill Clinton has been saying.

So, you know, it is going to be interesting to watch both of these campaigns today, Don.

LEMON: Dueling speeches, Jim Acosta. Thank you very much. We appreciate it. Mr. Obama's remarks are expected to start 1:45 p.m. Eastern right here and Mitt Romney kicks off five minutes later. Stay with CNN for live coverage of that.

Want to get back now to our breaking story, our lead story here on CNN. We're talking about Egypt where we reported the country's highest court just ruling that parliament must be dissolved.

Again, as I reported, riot police, military personnel taking up positions outside of the court. So let's go to Cairo now live, Ben Wedeman. Ben, what is happening right now? What happened? This is a stunning turn of events here.

BEN WEDEMAN, CNN SENIOR CORRESPONDENT: Well, Don, this was a decision, actually a pair of rulings by the constitutional court which, on the one hand, declared that a law that would have barred former officials from the Mubarak regime from holding high office.

That has been ruled unconstitutional, so that Ahmed Shafiq, one of the two presidential candidates, will, indeed, be able to run in the elections that happen day after tomorrow.

More important, however, is the decision from the constitutional court that the Egyptian parliament has been dissolved because of irregularities and that the Supreme Council of the Armed Forces, the military body that took over from Hosni Mubarak in February of last year, now holds full legislative powers.

In addition to that, they also will be forming the 100-man body that's been charged with writing up Egypt's constitution because at the moment there is no constitution.

In addition to that, raising the fears of many Egyptians, yesterday, the Egyptian justice ministry came out with a decision that the military now has essential police powers. They can arrest, detain, and interrogate civilians as well.

So some Egyptians are saying, if you take it all together, it amounts to a soft coup d'etat by the military. Don?

LEMON: Overall, give us the bottom line here. What does it mean as far as the elections go? Who's going to be in charge? You said it amounts to a coup d'etat for the military. What does it mean to the people of Egypt?

WEDEMAN: Well, it certainly means that in a sense we've kind of gone through a time machine back to when the military ruled this country with an iron hand.

But something has changed, of course, since the revolution. Egyptians have become highly politicized, dramatically politicized, and those who were opposed to this constitutional court edition have made it clear, they're going to take their opposition to the street. Don?

LEMON: All right. Ben Wedeman, thank you very much. We're following the fallout to today's ruling and the lead-up to Saturday's voting, and you'll see it all first right here on CNN.

We want to tell you that you can stay connected at any time. Just a quick note for those heading out the door. You may be going to lunch or running an errand. You can continue watching CNN from your mobile phone, or if you are heading out to work, you can also watch CNN live from your desktop, CNN.com/TV.

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LEMON: Going to Pennsylvania now, where the prosecution's case against Jerry Sandusky appears to be winding down. Already? Wow. Two more young men whom the former Penn State assistant football coach allegedly molested are due to take the stand.

And at this rate, the trial has been moving really quickly and the prosecution could rest as soon as tomorrow. CNN's Susan Candiotti at the Centre County courthouse. Susan, this is moving fast, but court is in session. Take us inside.

SUSAN CANDIOTTI, CNN NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Hi, Don. It's been another fascinating morning of testimony. This was an alleged victim whose case goes back to 1998 when he was only 11-years old. He's in his early 20s now and just graduated from Bible college in Colorado.

He came in and testified, said he met Jerry Sandusky when he was a little kid with The Second Mile and he was thrilled because he was a huge fan of Penn State, still is, Penn State football.

He got a tour of the locker room from Jerry Sandusky. Sandusky even gave him a pair of Coach Joe Paterno's socks. Eventually, this led to them going into the shower and there the boy said it was the first time he ever got naked in front of another man and he said it felt really awkward and icky and that Jerry Sandusky said. "I'm the tickle monster," and he picked him up and said I'm going to squeeze your guts out.

When they were under the shower and he got all soaped up. The boy said, at that point, he could feel the chest hair of Jerry Sandusky and then he blacked out. He said he doesn't remember anything else.

His mother called the police. The police investigated it. However, the district attorney never pressed charges, even after the police, at the invitation of the mother, came to the mom's house and they've eavesdropped on her conversation with Jerry Sandusky, during which time she confronted him and he said, quote, "I understand I was wrong. I wish I could get forgiveness. I wish I were dead."

But the police later met with Jerry Sandusky and said, "You shouldn't be taking any more showers with boys," and Sandusky told them that he wouldn't. Obviously from testimony, Don, that didn't stop him.

However, the boy oddly, Don, went on to stay in touch with Jerry Sandusky, he testified, over the years, even sending him Father's Day cards within the last couple of years that said that he was awesome, but now he is testifying in this case.

LEMON: Yes.

CANDIOTTI: And Jerry Sandusky's lawyer in cross-examination really went after him and said, wait a minute, what changed? How come all of the sudden you've now changed your mind and you're now saying this was inappropriate after staying in touch with him and saying he's a great guy?

Did the police coerce you into this? He said that he didn't. That he just now feels it was inappropriate, thinking back on it.

Don?

LEMON: Yeah, he was a kid then and an adult now, so there is a difference. Thank you, Susan Candiotti. We appreciate it.

We're going to tell you Sandusky's lawyers maintain he did nothing more than mentor and was a father-figure to these young men.

We'll hear more about that when the defense case begins just days from now.

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LEMON: Lance Armstrong, one of the fastest and most famous athletes to ever ride a bicycle, but there's one thing he hasn't been able to outrun and that's allegations that he used performance- enhancing drugs during a remarkable career that includes seven Tour de France titles.

Now, the U.S. anti-doping agency says it plans to bring doping charges against Armstrong that could lead to his being stripped of Tour de France titles. The WTC corporation today banned Armstrong from taking part in the Ironman competition later this month.

Casey Wian joins me from Los Angeles. This is what everyone is saying -- everyone is asking me. So there's no concrete evidence here against Lance Armstrong. Is it just his word against these other folks? And why does that amount to an investigation if there is no concrete evidence?

CASEY WIAN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, Don, according to the U.S. anti-doping agency's letter that was sent to Lance Armstrong and the others who were involved in this alleged conspiracy to not only use performance-enhancing drugs, but to traffic in performance-enhancing drugs over a 13-year period, this agency says it does have a lot of evidence in terms of eyewitness testimony of other competitive cyclers who said they were involved in some cases in this conspiracy.

Now, we should point out that the U.S. anti-doping agency says that all of these other athletes have cooperated in their investigation into performance-enhancing drug use. Lance Armstrong, they say, was given the chance to cooperate but refused to do so. That's one of the reasons why he's facing the allegations and not the others.

LEMON: So he probably feels then he is being made an example out of here. They're making an example.

So what's at stake? Can they really take away his titles if they don't have any physical evidence that he ever used performance- enhancing drugs, meaning no photographs, no needles, any of that stuff?

Can his titles actually be taken away from him, and can he face possible criminal charges, or is this going to go down the road to make it uncomfortable for him?

WIAN: Well, the U.S. anti-doping agency will not say what the potential sanctions will be, but Lance Armstrong himself has said that this is an effort -- he's called it a witch-hunt -- an effort to strip him of his Tour de France titles.

He has now moved on from cycling, is competing in triathlons. He's not going to be able to compete in those while this investigation is ongoing.

As for criminal charges, it doesn't appear that any will result. You may remember, Don, that earlier this year he was cleared by the Justice Department, which conducted its own investigation into performance-enhancing drug use by Armstrong.

Also, a grand jury looked into this and refused to indict him. So Armstrong says these are all old allegations and he calls this a vendetta basically being brought against him by many of his former competitors.

LEMON: Whatever it is, it does appear to be never-ending. Thank you, Casey Wian. We appreciate it.

Lance Armstrong retired from the sport of cycling last year to focus on triathlons.

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LEMON: Ten percent yesterday, 10 percent today, no changes, the wildfire raging in Colorado still only 10 percent contained today and more than 1,000 new pre-evacuation orders were sent out just this morning.

The fire that began last Saturday has burned nearly 47,000 acres in the Ft. Collins area, already forcing more than 600 residents to flee. Today's alerts were sent to locals along the northwest portion of the fire, an area firefighters may need for back burning to prevent further spreading. So far, one person has died in that fire.

Hundreds of windshields are shattered and homes damaged after an intense storm dumped hail up to the size of baseballs across North Texas last night. Look at that. Crazy.

This video's from our Dallas affiliate, WFAA. They say the storm left thousands without power. People who lived there had to ride it out. They described what it looked like.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It went for at least 20 minutes. It just pummeled. It was unbelievable. And the rain, there was so much rain. It was like -- it was like being in a disaster movie.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It sounded like the house was exploding. Just ...

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE TWO: Literally.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Just over and over and over again. I mean, you can look at the roof and see a thousand explosions.

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LEMON: Just want to tell you that an historic theater was also damaged after being battered by that ice.

OK, imagine this. It's 2:00 a.m. and you're hungry. Happens to all of us. Happens to me. Your chances of finding something healthy, not that great. It's probably not what you're looking for either. Unless you're in Atlanta, you can get something Atlanta.

R. Thomas Deluxe Grill is a 24/7 go-to for healthy, organic fare in a quirky, relaxed drive-through-free atmosphere. CNN associate producer, Nesta Distin, takes us there.

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NESTA DISTIN, CNN ASSOCIATE PRODUCER: Working in a 24-hour newsroom makes you want to eat at unconventional times. That's why I love coming here to the R. Thomas Deluxe Grill in Atlanta. It's a 24- hour restaurant that serves healthy organic meals any time of day or night.

Customers come for a unique dining experience. There's a mood- lit canopy and a wide range of organic, vegan, and vegetarian dishes. Free-range meat options are also on menu and breakfast is served anytime.

At the heart is its owner and founder, Richard Thomas. He switched from managing fast-food restaurants 25 years ago. Now, his motto is, let your food be your medicine.

Outside, the restaurant is a mash-up of Thomas' passions. Heating and cooling inside is powered by a water sprinkler on the roof. There is a garden and a collection of artwork.

These bricks, debris from the tornadoes in Alabama, serve as a memorial to the victims. Thomas has been collecting birds for over 60 years and gets a kick out of showing them off. The kitchen and wait staff aren't allowed to play with the birds.

The smoothies are a hit on the menu.

The chef cooks with fresh ingredients bought locally.

Here, we have one of the healthy dishes served here at R. Thomas Grill. This is the Thai bowl served with tempeh, vegetables, and quinoa.

Time to begin.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

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LEMON: Want to update you on our breaking news.

Chaos and confusion in Egypt after the country's highest court today ruled that the parliament must be dissolved. Parliament had only been in session for just over four months, and THE military now saying it has full legislative power. Riot police, military personnel taking up positions outside the court. The supreme constitutional court also ruled that a former member of Hosni Mubarak's regime, seen here, may run as planned in the presidential runoff this weekend. We are following that vote closely for you.

It is a very busy day for the president in Ohio for his presidential election. President Barack Obama will be getting an up- close look at the World Trade Center construction site and briefed on the progress crews have made there. Pictures right there. Right now, crews are gearing up for the president's visit this afternoon, and it's been a long, complicated process. A controversial road for thousands involved in the rebuilding of this. You're looking at the time-lapse video of the construction site. After all this, President Obama will be getting a glimpse at just how much has been accomplished.

To help us answer that question, before he gets there, Poppy Harlow at ground zero at the site of the World Trade Center for us.

Poppy, crews are up to the 144th floor. What kind of progress will the president be looking at?

POPPY HARLOW, CNNMONEY.COM CORRESPONDENT: Don, he's been invited by the governors of New York and New Jersey. He'll be touring with them, will shake hands with some construction workers. He's going to look at a lot of progress, especially in the last year. Amazingly, they've been building One World Trade center behind me -- let's pan up to the top so you can see it -- at a very rapid clip. One floor a week is what they've been building. I am told that the president will go in the tower. I did is ask if he would go to the top and they said, we don't know and Secret Service probably wouldn't want us to tell you that, but interestingly, Don, this will be the president's first time inside One World Trade Center. He's going to sign a beam that will go at the top of the center when it's complete.

This is a very big deal for the workers down here, Don, and we're just a few weeks away from the topping of this building, when it reaches that final height of 1,776 feet, a very symbolic number -- Don?

LEMON: I think it's interesting you can keep up with the progress of the Trade Center on social media. I get tweets all the time. I hear people saying, crossing from New Jersey, I can see the tower. It's amazing. But back now to the president. The timing of his visit is telling. It follows his visit to swing state of Ohio where he's going to talk the economy. The World Trade enter construction site is right in line with the president's push for jobs as well.

HARLOW: Absolutely. I mean, I'd be remiss not to mention this is a very political stop. This is the site with 3,500 construction workers, most of them, almost all of them, union workers, and those workers are key for the president. Right after he faced off today in Ohio with Mitt Romney, talking about the economy, talking about jobs, he'll head here, and he'll have that photo-op with these construction workers.

And we just heard, Don, last Friday, when the president made that speech, pushing Congress to act on the Jobs Act, he talked specifically about construction workers that are out of work, wanting to put them back to work. So absolutely, this is political.

LEMON: Poppy Harlow, thank you. We will be watching.

And after visiting the World Trade Center site, President Obama and the first lady will then head to two campaign fundraisers, one at Sarah Jessica Parker's house and another at the Plaza Hotel with Corey Booker and Mariah Carey.

Two George Bushs, father and son, have had the distinction of serving as president of the United States. The 41st president, George Herbert Walker Bush is at the center of a new HBO documentary called "41." It takes an intimate look at Bush and his presidency. The former president and his family screened the documentary on Tuesday, which just happened to be Bush's 80th birthday. Among other political and personal details, Bush talks about the historic moment his son, George Walker Bush, became the 43rd president of the United States.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What was it like to see your son elected president?

GEORGE H.W. BUSH, FORMER PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: Very emotional for me. Very proud father. First time it's happened I guess in the history of our country, except for the Adams. It was enormous and a source of great pride for the family.

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LEMON: The documentary premieres on HBO. HBO, our sister network, on at 9:00 eastern, 8:00 central. Tune in.

Happy 237th birthday. We're talking about none other than the U.S. Army. What began on June 14th, 1775, with the Continental Army, is now more than one million servicemen and women strong. Celebrations are under way all over the country as we speak, including the Pentagon.

We find our Pentagon correspondent, Barbara Starr.

So, Barbara --

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BARBARA STARR, CNN PENTAGON CORRESPONDENT: I have a very special guest.

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LEMON: You have a very special guest standing next to that tank of cupcakes.

STARR: This is U.S. Army General Martin Dempsey, also, of course, also chief of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. He's such a sport. He came out of the turret of this cupcake tank.

Being an Army general, we want to ask how it felt. What was it like being in a cupcake?

GEN. MARTIN DEMPSEY, CHAIRMAN, JOINT CHIEFS OF STAFF: It was sticky, actually.

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It's obviously made for the two Georgetown cupcakes. Not made for somebody my size, let alone Ray Odierno, out west, doing these kind of --

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STARR: The chief of staff.

DEMPSEY: I'm the 37th chief. He was the 38th.

STARR: A nice moment to remember the troops. But you have spoken extensively about your concerns here in Washington about budget cuts and the threat to the U.S. military if these massive budget cuts go into effect, if Congress and the White House can't reach an agreement. As the chairman of the Joint Chiefs, what are your concerns?

DEMPSEY: My concerns are the uncertainty. We don't yet have a '13 budget from which to plan. And therefore we don't have a lot of the marks and the conference results from this Congress. So I don't know where I'm starting from. Secondly, it's the mechanism, which is -- which is draconian in the first year, and then it levels off in the following years. And therefore we have not been able to do any detailed planning. So I know what we did -- I know what the budget did to us in -- with a reduction of $487 billion as a result of the budget control act. But I don't know what it would do to us with another a $500 billion. But I know how hard it was to get $487 billion.

STARR: If there's another $500 billion in budget cuts at the pentagon, can the U.S. military fight and win? Do you think it raises the risk of instability of war around the world somewhere, whether it's Iran or Syria or wherever?

DEMPSEY: Well, it raises the risk, I mean, clearly. It's defining the degree of that risk that I'm struggling with right now. We'll get to that. But I'm not there yet. But to your point, we would certainly be less visible and active globally because we'd have a much smaller force. And nature abhors a vacuum. If we're not there, others will be, and that doesn't mean we have to be the world's policemen and all the rhetoric, but it does mean we have to engage and build partnerships, have to live up to our treaty obligations and so forth.

STARR: Last question. Your concerns about Syria right now.

DEMPSEY: Well, Syria, it's a transition. You probably saw overnight that the -- someone blew up a very famous Shiite mosque in Damascus, which, of course, gives us all pause that have been in Iraq and seen how these issues become sectarian and then they become civil wars and then they become very difficult to resolve.

STARR: We thank you so much for your time.

So, Don, there you are. We sort of started with cupcakes, but we've shifted and got a little news from the chairman of the Joint chiefs.

LEMON: You have reached -- probably set a record here. This is unprecedented. You've reached a milestone in your career. Who can say they've interviewed the Joint Chiefs chair in front of a cupcake tank.

STARR: I want to tell you, before we came on camera, he turned to me and said, I'm not wearing any of these cupcakes on my shirt, am I? Always the general. Wanting to be clean.

LEMON: It's edible. You can take a bite if you want.

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STARR: Absolutely.

LEMON: Thank you, Barbara Starr. We appreciate it.

Barbara usually reporting from the Pentagon. For her latest report on national security, logon to CNN.com/securityclearance.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK) LEMON: So you need help getting from point A to point B? There is an app for that, but it's so 2011. The Google Maps app has been a part of Apple's iPhone since the iPhone debuted back in 2007. Now Apple's rolling out its own maps, reportedly produced with military- grade technology from a Swedish company it bought last year. We're talking aerial 3-D images that can pick up objects four inches wide from 1,600 feet. Naturally, Google's not sitting still here. It, too, has eyes in the sky and on the streets, all over the world, and privacy advocates take a pretty dim view of all of it.

Joining me, in Atlanta, Bob Barr, former U.S. Congressman, former U.S. attorney, current head of the non-partisan group, Liberty Guard.

Then, Bill Safire of "The New York Times," once called you Mr. Privacy. That was his nickname for you. Bob, what is wrong with Apple and Google making high-res maps of the world? Aren't we already there yet?

BOB BARR, DIRECTOR, LIBERTY GUARD & FORMER U.S. CONGRESSMAN & FORMER U.S. ATTORNEY: Well, hopefully we're not to the point where one can be sitting in the privacy of one's own yard around which they placed a fence so that prying eyes and inquisitive people can't go into it. And it's already for either the government or a company or perhaps a government-funded company to be photographing them when they don't know that they're being photographed from distances above them that make it impossible for them to even know that they're being photographed. This is a very substantial invasion of one's privacy, and if we don't try to get a handle on it right now, it will be, in fact, more and more difficult to place limits on it and affect some real privacy rights with teeth in them in the years ahead.

LEMON: I have to say, when I talked to my producer about this, and it was from 1,600 feet, objects up to four inches wide. Imagine being in your backyard and you think you have privacy, and then you don't.

I got a little ahead of myself, Mr. Barr, because I want to bring someone else in now. Shelly Palmer, he's a technology expert and the host of "Shelly Palmer Digital Living" on FOX.

We've had a space race, an arms race. So talk to me about the upside of this, about Apple and Google Maps, this race that they have going on here.

SHELLY PALMER, HOST, SHELLY PALMER DIGITAL LIVING: Well, first of all, I have to agree with Congressman Barr. This is a perfect opportunity to start a dialog. The question isn't, is it a good idea or a bad idea, because it's -- that really isn't the issue. It's are we as a society willing to allow it to happen and if so how are we going to regulate it. The technology is good. You can't argue the technology is good or bad, because that's a bad argument to have. Technology is always -- it's in flux. It's dynamic. We progress every day. We went from the wheel, to axles with wheels, to cars with wheels. I mean, you know, and these are just tools. The technology in itself is neither good nor bad. But as the Congressman suggests -- and he is 100 percent correct -- the society, the laws need to adjust to the technology. That's what the conversation should be about.

LEMON: Bob, doesn't he have a point, too, because, I mean, the genie is out of the bottle. There are advances like this already. You can look on Google images. I looked at my house the other day. It's already out there.

BARR: Well, I certainly hope that you weren't out there doing something you shouldn't have been doing while that photograph was being taken.

LEMON: Well, you say I shouldn't have been doing. I can be doing it in my own backyard but if there is a camera or something looking at me in the privacy of my own backyard, there is no privacy anymore.

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BARR: And that's entirely the problem here. And Congress and state legislatures are unfortunately but very traditionally and historically very slow to respond to these changes. And it's a very fine line here. We do not want to stop the advances in technology. That's important. But I think at the beginning now of this process where the technology is available very, very widely, is the perfect time, we need to address it, and there are a lot of questions. We've just touched on a couple of them. Another one would be are companies operating as de facto government agencies, with government money or equipment.

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PALMER: No, no. I disagree completely, for a second. guys. Hold on. The question isn't about what the companies are doing or aren't doing. The technology is available, and it will be used for the best or worst possible purposes. The question really becomes, you know, we have a new issue in our lives. There is no reasonable expectation of privacy in the 21st century, period. None.

LEMON: But, listen, I understand. But no reasonable expectation? If you are in your house or in your backyard, I don't necessarily agree with that. I think people want their own privacy. You don't want people looking into your backyard or your bathroom. I understand that the genie is out of the bottle.

BARR: That's right.

LEMON: But when it comes to your personal property or personal space and there is a camera or drone over your house, that is an invasion of privacy. My question to Bob -- what do we do to have the laws catch up to this technology? Anything we can do?

BARR: Certainly there are some things that can be done. Congress and state legislatures should immediately be looking at revising our even implementing privacy laws that establish a very clear right to privacy in one's home, on one's home, in one's yard that cannot be violated without their express consent, for example. Simply because a person uses Google as a search engine, for example, does not in any way, shape, or form and should not in any way, shape, or form mean that that person has consented impliedly to having themselves or their property photographed from thousands of feet or miles above their home or their business.

PALMER: So how is that different --

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LEMON: Bob, Shelly, we can't get that question in, Shelly. Sorry. We're out of time.

PALMER: OK.

LEMON: I want to show you this as we end this. This is one of our producers. He looked it up and saw on maps already a copy of -- that's him mowing his lawn. Right? Who wants that? He didn't even know that was going to happen. It's interesting. We have to figure out what we're doing here.

Shelly, I get your point.

Bob, I get your point.

But I think it's an invasion of privacy. You don't agree with that because you're a homeowner, or you're an American, that anyone can invade your personal space at anytime.

Thank you, Bob.

BARR: Thank you.

LEMON: Thank you, Shelly, as well.

PALMER: Thanks so much.

LEMON: The new Apple maps due to debute this fall.

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LEMON: DNA tests confirm that body parts mailed to two schools in Vancouver last week are connected to the gruesome killing and dismemberment of 30-year-old Jun Lin. And police say that the hand and foot delivered by mail to two elementary schools belonging to Lin, who was a university student. Over the last few weeks Lin's body part s has have been found scattered across Canada, in Montreal and Ottawa and now Vancouver. The suspect is a porn actor, Luka Rocco Magnotta, who was caught in Germany. And police say he posted a video of himself killing and then dismembering Lin.

We have the latest from Diana Magna.

The police are still searching for more of Lin's body parts. What can you tell us more about the investigation?

DIANA MAGNA, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, as you say the DNA matches between the severed hand and foot that were sent to the two schools in Vancouver, and obviously the police were alerted to the whole case when a body parts were mailed. Two political parties in Ottawa now they say they are looking for the head and they have no idea where it can be. They say they are also trying to ascertain a time line as to where Magnotta has been over the last couple of years, because he traveled a lot under assumed names, and police in Los Angeles are saying that they are looking into whether there is any connection between the Magnotta case, and between the killing of a man and dismemberment of a man whose severed head was found in Hollywood in January of this year. So far, no definite or link at all, but they are obviously looking to see if there is any connection in that sense -- Don?

LEMON: We are talking about the suspect and now the victim, Lin's parents flew in to reclaim their son's remains and they are giving us a clear picture of who Lin was. What do they say about him, Diana?

MAGNA: Well, it is a picture that his friends and social media have also confirmed of a kind and diligent young man and very kind. He was the pride and the hope, and the students at the university where Lin was have set up a foundation for him. The family says that reflects the compassionate spirit.

So really the picture we have, it is so sad, because this is obviously a very, very kind man who got tangled up with Magnotta somehow, and we know he was apparently romantically involved with him, and the family are saying that we are desperate, but we are hoping that Magnotta is extradited to face justice in Canada as soon as humanly possible -- Don?

LEMON: Thank you so much.

There is a vigil for Lin tonight in Montreal at 9:00. Lin was attending Concordia University in Montreal and, according to the CBS, the college has created an award to honor his life. It will help Chinese students who want to study at Concordia. And the university says it will establish a Jun Lin Family Fund to help with the family's expenses.

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LEMON: Listen, I am getting breaking news -- well, developing, not breaking -- but prosecutors in Pennsylvania have just informed the folks in charge of the judge and the jury there that they have concluded their case against the former defensive coach, Jerry Sandusky, and that they will -- they'll turn it over to the defense. But again, they have concluded their case. The trial is now in recess for a lunch break. This has moved at a rapid clip. Just started, and it has been really days since they picked a jury and then they went to testimony, and now the prosecution has wrapped up the case.

We know that Jerry Sandusky is accused of having an inappropriate sexual relationship with a number of boys, and as many as 12 or 13 young men, many of them boys at the time, and then also that officials there, excuse me, officials at Penn State knew about it -- that is what the prosecution is saying -- and did nothing, and then acted inappropriately.

So now they have wrapped up the case against the former defensive coordinator, Jerry Sandusky, there. So, we are going to continue to follow that for you. And we were trying to get Susan Candiotti up for us. She has been in the courtroom, but apparently, still in the courtroom, making her way out. And we will bring this to you as soon as we can get it. Expect the development to come up soon. This is moving quickly.

And next the baseball perfection in San Francisco as Matt Cain pitched the perfect game for the first time in Giants' history. Let's have a look.

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ANNOUNCER: On the ground, Arias from deep third -- got him!

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LEMON: Taken out with the grounder at third, and the celebration begins. Cain's perfect game is just the 22nd in major league baseball history. He struck out a career-high 14 Houston Astros in the Giants' 10-0 victory. I think they are happy there.

Think they're happy there, Fredricka Whitfield?

FREDRICKA WHITFIELD, CNN ANCHOR: That looked blissful.

LEMON: Think they were doing a little celebrating?

WHITFIELD: Yes, a little happy dancing there.

LEMON: Excited. Excited.

WHITFIELD: It's was good to see

LEMON: Good to see you. I am sure you will be following up on the developing news. Had to bant there for a little bit. We're trying to get Susan but we didn't get here, so --

WHITFIELD: Yes.

LEMON: -- take it away Fredricka Whitfield.

WHITFIELD: We're hoping to get a chance to talk with here.

LEMON: All righty.

WHITFIELD: Thank you so much, Don. See you later.