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President Obama Changes Immigration Policy; New York Manhunt Ends

Aired June 15, 2012 - 15:00   ET

THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.

BROOKE BALDWIN, CNN ANCHOR: Welcome back. Top of the hour. I'm Brooke Baldwin. We hope your heard it right here. The president today taking executive action here, without consulting Congress, he will cease deportations of certain illegal immigrants.

That order affecting in the neighborhood of 800,000 young people who are in this country illegally. Once again, Jessica Yellin, of course, our senior White House -- chief -- pardon me -- chief White House correspondent. Forgive me.

Walk me through, walk me through exactly who this affects.

JESSICA YELLIN, CNN CHIEF WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT: Hi, Brooke.

It affects -- you said the number of people. Here are the categories of people. It's young people who came to this country essentially because their parents were illegal immigrants and brought them with them. So, it applies to people who are under 30 years old, who came to the U.S. before they were 16 years themselves.

They can now be older, because they had to have arrived when they were younger than 16. They must have no criminal record and they must have a high school diploma or have served in the military. Then what they can do is apply to stay here for two years and then after the two years' time assuming this policy is still in place apply for another two years and so on into this future, assuming the policy again stays in place and President Obama remains president --Brooke.

BALDWIN: OK. I think we have some sound from the president. Let's roll that, guys.

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BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: It makes no sense to expel talented young people who for all intents and purposes are Americans, have been raised as Americans, understand themselves to be part of this country, to expel the people who want to staff our labs or start new businesses or defend our country simply because of the actions of their parents.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BALDWIN: So, that's the president. But I want to -- on the flip side here, we have been getting paper statements from a lot of Republicans. I want to read something that Republican Congressman out of New York Steve King said.

He said -- quote -- "Americans should be outraged that President Obama is planning to usurp the constitutional authority of the United States Congress and grant amnesty by edict to one million illegal aliens."

And we suspect Congressman King will not be the only Republican here who uses the word amnesty. How does the administration justify its decision not to deport these people in terms of legality?

YELLIN: Well, they are emphatic that this is no way amnesty. And in point of fact, they are only allowed to stay for two years and then have to reapply. So there's an ongoing process.

The way the administration says is it's using resources differently. They are focusing their resources on deporting people who come over the border repeatedly, adults who come over and over and over and keep getting sent back, people who are threats to society, who are a danger to society.

And Janet Napolitano, the head of the Department of Homeland Security, said this is not designed to be blindly enforced without consideration given to individuals in each case. So, Brooke, look, there's going to be a lot of disagreement. There always has on this issue. But they are emphatic that this is no permanent path to citizenship because bottom line if a person now applies for this program, in two years' time, let's say, for example, President Obama doesn't win reelection, that person has now declared themselves that they're illegal, who knows what the policy is under President Mitt Romney and what would happen to that person in the future.

BALDWIN: It's a valid question, a valid concern.

I want to throw one more at you because I have been getting all these tweets because of this change in policy. Let me just throw this at you because this one person brings up this point. Please ask what would happen to us who already moved back, presumably home, wherever that home country is, moved back to do it legally?

What kind of message does that send to the youngsters who said, all right, this would be illegal, so let me go back home and file the proper paperwork and do it the right way?

YELLIN: Well, look, the administration's response to that -- and obviously it's not in any way fair for everybody, and there are many people who think this immigration system is just broken.

I don't think you're going to have a lot of people who are going to dispute that.

BALDWIN: Yes.

YELLIN: But they say that's why we need comprehensive immigration reform.

And that's why the president said that's what we should push for. It will be something he will continue to campaign on and it will be something you will continue to see both candidates talk about I think a lot between now and the election because they will be campaigning in states where this is a hot button issue, Brooke.

BALDWIN: Yes. I think that's precisely the adjective the president used, broken.

Jessica Yellin, thank you very much.

I do want to mention though that today the president as he was speaking was interrupted by a reporter from a publication known as "The Daily Caller." And you really don't see this, hear this very often, a reporter starting an argument with the president during the middle of a major announcement.

I want you to listen quickly, if you would.

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OBAMA: It's the right thing to do. Excuse me, sir. It's not time for questions, sir, not while I'm speaking.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BALDWIN: So, there you go. That presumably is the person who was shouting. That reporter apparently took exception to the president's announcement. He was heard to say to other reporters he had to ask questions they wouldn't. So, we're looking into this guy. And if he warrants further mention, we will let you know.

Now to quite the talker today, this controversial story. A Michigan Democrat said the word vagina in an abortion debate. Then Republicans barred her from speaking again on the statehouse floor. Here is the exact remark from Representative Lisa Brown.

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LISA BROWN (D), MICHIGAN STATE REPRESENTATIVE: I have not asked you to adopt and adhere to my religious beliefs. Why are you asking me to adopt yours? And, finally, Mr. Speaker, I'm flattered that you're all so interested in my vagina, but no means no.

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BALDWIN: Lisa Brown, my next guest. Don't miss this.

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BALDWIN: All right, fair warning. I'm about to say a word that some you are going to find offensive. So here is the warning. Here we go. Vagina. Does that make you uncomfortable? Well, it's a good thing I'm not on the floor of the Michigan Statehouse.

Republicans barred state Representative Lisa Brown from speaking yesterday after she said this in a debate over a bill that would put all new restrictions on abortion. Here she was. (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

BROWN: I have not asked you to adopt and adhere to my religious beliefs. Why are you asking me to adopt yours? And, finally, Mr. Speaker, I'm flattered that you're all so interested in my vagina, but no means no.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BALDWIN: So, that made some Republicans practically cover their ears. State Representative Mike Callton in quoted in "The Detroit Daily News" saying this: "It was so offensive, I don't even want to say it in front of women. I wouldn't say that in mixed company" -- end quote.

"The Voice News" quotes a spokesman for the Michigan House speaker as saying this: "It was thought that reference crossed the line and he gaveled her. It had nothing to do with their gender. It had nothing to do with their religion. It had nothing to do with the topic itself. The fact that they said vagina on the House floor isn't a problem."

Let me bring in the woman who uttered the words, Michigan State Representative Lisa Brown, probably wouldn't agree with those quotes I just read. She joins me now.

Good to see you.

BROWN: Thank you.

BALDWIN: Here is really just my first question. What is it about the word vagina that made these Republicans so squeamish, you think?

BROWN: I wish I could answer that. It's really baffled me, the reaction that people have had.

It's an anatomically correct name for a body part. If I said elbow, I wonder if everybody be squeamish about that. To me, it's the same thing. And the word vagina actually exists in three different places in Michigan law.

BALDWIN: So, now that we have said the word, and I have a feeling had you said elbow, we wouldn't be talking. But nevertheless, I presume that you have heard from many a constituent. Yes? And what kind of responses have you been getting?

BROWN: Yes.

Overwhelming response from my constituents and from people actually all over the country cheering me on, thanking me for being a voice for them. It's really been overwhelming. It's been incredible.

BALDWIN: Let me point this out to our viewers though that you also said that this is about your religion. You said this on the House floor Wednesday before you were barred. Let's take a listen. (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

BROWN: Pregnancy does not matter. Wherever there's a question of the life of mother or that of the unborn child, Jewish law rules in favor of preserving the life of the mother.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BALDWIN: Do you think, Representative, that you were silenced at least maybe in part because of your Jewish faith?

BROWN: Brooke, what happened was I was told by actually my leadership, not even by the Republican leadership, that I was banned from speaking on the floor on Thursday.

When I asked her why, she said they wouldn't tell her. That just left me to guess as to why. I had no idea. I don't think that I did anything wrong. I only said a few comments. One of them was about my religious beliefs and the other one was saying the word vagina.

(CROSSTALK)

BALDWIN: So, you don't know definitively if that was because of your religion or not? Do you think it was?

BROWN: Right. I hope not. And that's all I said was that I hope not because no -- and still to this day, to this moment, no one has told me what I so-called did wrong.

I don't think I did anything wrong. And like I said, I was just left to guess as to what was so offensive to someone. And there was only really two choices. It's either me talking my religious beliefs or using the word vagina. Nothing wrong with either one.

(CROSSTALK)

BALDWIN: Right. We did some research. Yes, absolutely, it's true that the Jewish religion believes that abortion is acceptable when saving the life of a mother, but it's not solely a Jewish belief.

Is it really fair to -- is it fair to accuse Republicans of hushing you on the floor, and, again, you said this is just a guess, because of your faith when there are so many others though who do believe the same thing?

BROWN: Yes, I was just speaking for myself and my beliefs.

In my time in the legislature, I have tried to educate my colleagues to understand that different religions have different views on things. In my first term, we took up a bill regarding body parts of deceased people and the disposing of them if there's been an autopsy.

And I brought to everyone's attention the religious belief for burial and that we believe you go as you came, so you're supposed to have all of your body parts and they shouldn't be retained after an autopsy.

BALDWIN: Yes.

BROWN: And it came to light that, yes, other religions actually had similar views. And this legislation that was being put forth was actually modified afterwards to accommodate those beliefs.

BALDWIN: OK.

BROWN: So, I just try to educate people that not everybody has the same view. And when you're talking about abortion, which is what this bill was about, and that's why I used the word vagina, because that's where abortions happen, they're -- it really is and what I have found is a religious belief in how people view choice. And so that's why I was expressing my religious beliefs in the scenario.

BALDWIN: Right.

What about -- just taking that conversation beyond religious beliefs and let's just -- back to the word you used, let me throw this at you. What if a male representative, let's say, was same spot on the floor talking about his penis? Can you see how some people would be offended by that?

BROWN: You know what? If it's pertinent to the bill, if we're talking about vasectomies or if we're talking about Viagra, it's absolutely appropriate. You are supposed to speak to the bill.

BALDWIN: Nothing wrong with it?

BROWN: And my words were germane to the legislation before us.

BALDWIN: Speaking of vasectomies, one of your fellow Democrats, Barb Byrum, was also barred from speaking on the floor on Wednesday. Here she was.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Question before for the House is on the adoption of Amendment 2I (INAUDIBLE). Members may vote at their desk. The amendment is not adopted. Are there further amendments?

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BALDWIN: So we saw her there hand in the air, trying to introduce this amendment to ban men from getting a vasectomy unless it was necessary to save a man's life.

Were you in favor of that amendment?

BROWN: I didn't have to vote to that amendment.

(CROSSTALK)

BALDWIN: If you had voted?

BROWN: We did -- you know what? I think we're trying to make a point. And that's really what it's about.

Representative Byrum was not recognized by the speaker to speak to her amendment. There was no reason for that. We should have a right to speak to...

(CROSSTALK)

BALDWIN: Final question, was it a point or was it perhaps a stunt, that so often you have Democrats accusing Republicans of doing that?

BROWN: No. And I don't want to speak for my colleague, but my colleague has said that she believes that if we are truly concerned about a pregnancy, it takes two to make a baby. So, that's her perspective.

BALDWIN: Michigan State Representative Lisa Brown, thank you.

You ever heard of Pandora Radio? I bet you have. Bet you use it. It's been changing for years here the way we listen to music by predicting what we want to listen to. We are going to talk to the man behind it.

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BALDWIN: How do -- really how you and I listen to music, it has been evolving and evolving. We have our favorite tunes queued up on our MP3 players, on iPods. But how about that service that predicts songs you would like to listen to, perhaps songs you would enjoy?

Pandora Radio is precisely that service. I know you know this. This is a Web site and a mobile app. It takes a song or even a genre that you love or an artists, it streams music that it thinks you will love as well. And, oh, yeah, it's also free.

So, here with me is Tim Westergren. He is the founder, the man behind Pandora, the chief strategy officer.

Welcome.

TIM WESTERGREN, CHIEF STRATEGY OFFICER, PANDORA: Thank you.

BALDWIN: Welcome to the CNN mother ship here.

WESTERGREN: Thank you.

BALDWIN: You came up with this. How?

WESTERGREN: Well, I was a musician for many years before the company. And I was a film composer for a while. I spent a lot of time thinking about music taste and why people like what they like and sort of dissecting music and then sort of mapping taste onto musical attributes.

And it eventually led to the idea of a musical taxonomy.

BALDWIN: How do you though stay competitive? Because Pandora has been around, what, since 2000?

WESTERGREN: Yes, 2005.

BALDWIN: 2005.

So now you have Spotify and the Songza, which I think is when it will even say a running mix or a dance club mix. It's sort of taking it to another level. Do you feel the heat from all these other apps?

WESTERGREN: Well, funny thing -- this surprises a lot of people -- is that radio actually is the primary mode of consumption for music. And 80 percent of the hours Americans spend with music is listened on radio, as opposed to sort of on demand subscription and so on.

And Radio survived all of these new inventions. People still like ease of use, discovery. And that's where Pandora lives. And we're doing really well in that category.

BALDWIN: I think I enjoy it and other people enjoy it just because you learn about new artists, because you plug in Death Cab for Cutie and someone else pops up you have never heard of before.

The but is obviously, the ads are annoying, but you have to be paid. I get it. But other complaints, as I was talking to my team is that like if you plug in Elton John, you start hearing like "Rocket Man" and "Piano Man" on that queue too much, like repetition.

Can you to stop that?

WESTERGREN: Well, it's interesting. Some people like repetition. Some don't. And the art of personalized radio is how do you find that right mixture for people. And that's sort of an evolving process, ever-changing process. We have been working on personalization now for years. And different strokes for different folks just figuring it out over time.

BALDWIN: Tell me about your I guess partnerships with different car companies and how -- is it replacing the radio?

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WESTERGREN: What happened, really, when the smartphone came along, that really transformed our company, because it allowed Pandora to be mobile. And people began taking smartphones and plugging them into things, the car dashboard being one of them.

And that led to this avalanche really of car companies realizing, wow, I can connect and bring this into the dashboard. So virtually every major car company now is leasing new models with Pandora embedded in the dashboard. And half of all radio listening happens in the car, so that's a big, slower growing category, because it takes a while for people to buy a new car. But in the long run, that's a really important space for us to be in.

BALDWIN: I know you have a lot of people I'm sure working for you. You are traveling all the time. You have got to give me something. What's next? I tweeted this out and everyone wants to know, all right, what is the next iteration of Pandora?

WESTERGREN: Yes. We obviously don't pre-announce stuff.

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BALDWIN: Oh, come on.

WESTERGREN: Even at CNN, we can't do that.

(CROSSTALK)

WESTERGREN: But really right now the big new development for us is that we have become by virtue of our scale -- we now have over 150 million registered listeners in the U.S.

We have become a big radio station in every local market, not just big nationally. So now we're the biggest radio station in Atlanta. And that has meant for us as a business that we are hiring local salespeople all over the country. And it's really changing the complexion of the business in very positive ways.

BALDWIN: Right on. Hiring people. They like to hear that. Right? Tim Westergren, so nice to meet you. Thank you so much.

WESTERGREN: My pleasure.

(CROSSTALK)

BALDWIN: Best of luck.

WESTERGREN: Thank you.

BALDWIN: And now a major manhunt here for a surgeon accused of gunning down his girlfriend ends in a twist. That's next.

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BALDWIN: All right, let's get you caught up on everything making news this hour, "Rapid Fire." Roll it.

The search is now over for a fugitive surgeon wanted for a hospital shooting in Buffalo, New York. Police tell us they have found the body of Dr. Timothy Jordan. His body clothed in hospital scrubs was found in a ravine near his home Lake Erie with an apparent self-inflicted gunshot wound.

Police had been searching for Jordan ever since shortly after he shot his ex-girlfriend, shot and killed her on Wednesday. Jacqueline Wisniewski had been shot four times at the hospital where both she and Jordan worked.

And remember the JetBlue pilot who had that meltdown during a March flight, left the cockpit, ran threat right cabin screaming about al Qaeda, about the plane going down? Well, today, a judge ruled in Texas that Clayton Osbon is competent to stand trial. He had been ordered to undergo psychiatrist evaluation. Court documents filed back in April show his attorney plans to use an insanity defense.

An amazing rescue video here, this is the Chicago River. Just watch this. This man here in the kayak is holding a man's head out of the water. Witnesses say the man was reading a book on the riverbank when he apparently suffered a seizure. He fell, see, fell into the water. A police boat arrives. Officer jumps in the water, pulls the man out. Medics then -- here they are -- rushing him to the hospital, where he is now currently listed in critical condition.

Firefighters, they are making progress, albeit slow progress, in controlling a raging wildfire in Colorado. It's now burned 52,000 acres and is now considered about 15 percent contained.

Last night, flames crossed a highway forcing about 80 more people to evacuate their homes, hundreds of families anxiously awaiting to hear if their homes have been lost or not.

And a preschool graduation ceremony gets a little more than just out of hand, and of course the whole thing caught on camera. Take a look. Folks, these are mothers. The fight broke out among this group of moms at a school in Los Angeles. According to one mother, there weren't enough caps and gowns. So kids had to take turns as parents took pictures. Look at this. I think things got you could say more than heated between the moms. Two moms actually started fighting. One woman suffered a cut lip. But no charges were filed. Over caps and gowns, folks.

Mitt Romney kicks off a major campaign swing in key battleground states today, states President Obama won in 2008. We are going to take you to one of those stops and see if he said anything about the big plans, the big changes in immigration policy. That's next.

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POPPY HARLOW, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Hi there. Thanks for joining us.

We are talking about student loans on "Help Desk" today.

Joining me this hour, Lynnette Khalfani-Cox is a personal finance author and founder of the financial advice blog AskTheMoneyCoach.com. David Novick is a certified financial planner and adjunct professor of finance at NYU.

David, take a listen to this question about student loans that we got on the streets here in New York.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Is there a particular student loan, I guess, organization or whatever that would be the best one to take out my loans through right now?

HARLOW: What do you think?

DAVID NOVICK, CERTIFIED FINANCIAL PLANNER, PROMETHEUS CAPITAL MANAGEMENT: Most of the student loans have been taken over by the federal government. It used to be you could do them through the banks.

The banks mainly do supplemental loans and really you want to start with the federally guaranteed student loans. These loans, especially the Stafford Loan, the subsidized Stafford Loan, allows for the interest to not be accrued while you're in school.

That way, they're essentially subsidizing that interest and it allows for a lower cost over time for the students, so I'd recommend starting with that and those programs before looking at other options.

HARLOW: There has been a lot of talk recently that student loan debt, as it piles up in this country, will be the next shoe to drop, especially when these graduates have a harder time finding jobs, et cetera.

When you look overall at student loan debt, how much is too much? What are we seeing on average and what are these kids getting into?

LYNNETTE KHALFANI, CO-FOUNDER, ASKTHEMONEYCOACH.COM: I think we're clearing at the tipping point right now. As a nation, we have way too much student loan debt. The numbers are staggering.

We have about a trillion dollars in student loan debt, more than credit card debt. The average college grad comes out of school, according to the college board, with more than $25,000 in student loan debt.

I think any time it's unaffordable, any time you really can't repay based on your salary, you've taken on too much debt, so people need to think about taking on only as much as is going to be commensurate with their income.

HARLOW: What are you doing after you get that degree is absolutely critical.

Thank you both. We appreciate it.

And if you have a question that you want our financial experts to tackle, just upload a 30-second video with your "Help Desk" question to iReport.com.

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BALDWIN: Mitt Romney kicks off a bus tour on President Obama's turf and a major change to America's immigration policy. "Reporter Roulette" time.

We are working on talking to Jim Acosta. He's going to let us know and, from what I'm hearing, Mitt Romney spoke not too long ago, but did not at all address the major immigration policy change that the Department of Homeland Security and President Obama spoke about today. We're going to talk to Jim Acosta there who is covering, of course, Mitt Romney in just a moment.

But now, next, on "Reporter Roulette," Paul Vercammen with more on this landmark change here in this immigration policy.

Paul, I know you are smack dab in the middle of this rally in downtown L.A. What were some of those youngsters telling you? Paul Vercammen, can you hear me?

PAUL VERCAMMEN, CNN SENIOR PRODUCER: Yes. I can hear you now. Thank you.

BALDWIN: Talk to me about this rally. What were the kids saying?

VERCAMMEN: Basically, what they were saying is that they were ecstatic over the change in the Obama administration. They had worried, were concerned that this would not come about.

But today you had true emotion and many of the young people here shedding tears because of the positive news out of Washington, D.C.

BALDWIN: Sorry. Had someone in my ear. Do we have sound from some of the folks you talked to? No. We'll leave it there. I apologize, Paul Vercammen, but it's good to see you, nonetheless. Thank you, reporting live for me in L.A.

President Obama's new policy on immigration, though, is having an immediate effect on people such as my next guest, a student in Georgia, who was very, very close to being deported.

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BALDWIN: The Obama administration's shift on immigration is having an immediate affect on people like Jessica Colotl. Jessica came into this country illegally with her parents when she was 10- years old.

In 2010, a routine traffic stop changed her life and, since then, the threat of deportation to Mexico has been hanging over your head until today. Jessica, thank you for coming back in here to CNN.

We actually talked over the phone a couple of years ago when you were in that deportation center. So good to see you.

JESSICA COLOTL, ENTERED U.S. ILLEGALLY AT AGE 10: Very good to see you.

BALDWIN: Let me just begin with you have a valid work permit, so, because of these immigration changes, when that does expire, you can now re-up that permit. That's your case, right?

COLOTL: Correct.

BALDWIN: What is your visceral reaction to what you heard from the president?

COLOTL: I was very thrilled about it when I first heard about it. I think it's positive and something the Obama administration should have done a long time ago.

BALDWIN: Let's go back and tell the viewers your story. It was two years ago when you were driving. It was on-campus at Kennesaw State University. You were working on getting your degree here in Georgia. What happened with your car and police? A minor traffic violation?

COLOTL: A traffic incident that led me to immediate deportation proceedings.

BALDWIN: Before you got to the proceedings, you were in a jail?

COLOTL: Yes. I was in three different detention centers for a total of 37 days.

BALDWIN: During that time when you were that detention center, I went to your mother's house. I spoke with her. She spoke to me in Spanish from tears and I spoke to you. Listen to this.

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COLOTL (via telephone): I'm here in place where I'm being treated like a criminal. I'm leaving my family behind. Basically, my life has been destroyed because of this minor incident.

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BALDWIN: My life has been destroyed because of a minor incident. Do you remember that conversation?

COLOTL: Absolutely. Absolutely. Every time I think about it, it makes me sad because I know that it was one of the worst experiences of my life.

BALDWIN: Describe it.

COLOTL: It was the first time when I really doubted the American dream. At some point I thought it was a myth. Every single person that once told me that your education will get you somewhere. I really thought that they were all lying to me at some point.

BALDWIN: Because of the changes that the president and the Department of Homeland Security secretary outlined today, obviously, there's a lot of criticism. We're hearing from Republicans.

I want to read something. He said many illegal immigrants will falsely claim they came here as children and the federal government has no way to check whether their claims are true. It goes on. Won't it be hard to know who is who? What do you think?

COLOTL: I guess I have to respect his point of view. When you enter a process like this, there's so much evidence that you have to submit to the immigration officers.

It's not going to be just a piece of paper saying or a written statement saying, I've been here for such amount of time, therefore I qualify for this. It's a lot of evidence that you have to submit and based on that, you could be eligible for this kind of relief.

BALDWIN: How old were you when you came over?

COLOTL: I was 11 years old.

BALDWIN: What do you consider home?

BALDWIN: The U.S. just because I learned to respect American values. Every time I think about it, I ask myself how can I not be an American when I pledge allegiance to the flag every single day in middle and high school.

BALDWIN: There are some Americans that say that's well and good that you pledge your allegiance, but your parents didn't. You shouldn't get this sudden status, that it's fine you're here. What do you say that?

COLOTL: I believe that everyone deserves a chance. That's what I'm asking for is a chance. Ultimately, I want to contribute back to this country that I've called home for so many years.

BALDWIN: What do you want too? What's the future?

COLOTL: I still want to go to law school and practice immigration law.

BALDWIN: Thank you. Nice to see you again.

COLOTL: nice to see you too.

BALDWIN: Best of luck.

Coming up, Van Halen has got a little exclusive for you. Don't miss it.

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BALDWIN: It is Father's Day this upcoming Sunday. A woman is giving her brother the ultimate gift this year, giving him fatherhood. This is a medical story for the modern, very high-tech age. It requires the help of Dr. Sanjay Gupta.

Dr. Gupta, so what a story, this story of surrogacy. I've never heard something like this before.

DR. SANJAY GUPTA, CNN CHIEF MEDICAL CORRESPONDENT: I had no idea how involved surrogacy was, just as a starting point, but this got even more interesting. This really jumped out at me because you're talking about two families, a brother and a sister who essentially decided in some ways to share a child. So take a quick look at this graphic here. In the striped shirt, you see James. James is married to Natalie who's standing next to him. Together, they have one son. But after that delivery, Natalie became quite sick and had to lose her uterus. Her dreams of having a big family were shattered.

That's where Tiffany stepped in. That's James' sister. Tiffany says, you know what? I will be your surrogate. I will carry my brother and sister-in-law's baby. Now, Tiffany and Sean have two kids. But this is how it all came together.

BALDWIN: Yes, let's take look.

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NATALIE LUCICH: October 30th, 2010, I was brought into the hospital because I was two weeks late. I had to be induced. After he came out, I got to see him. He got to be put on my chest and then I, basically, just started to not feel good.

JAMES LUCICH: The bleeding slowly over 45 minutes, it started to get worse and worse and, basically, they had to take your uterus out after trying to save it.

N. LUCICH: We chose surrogacy as our first option because I still had my eggs left and we were able to have our own child. It would be James and my child.

J. LUCICH: After a couple of days in the hospital, my sister felt compelled to tell us that she would be more than happy to carry a baby for us.

It just really brought tears to our eyes that my sister was that willing to do this for us.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We have good news for you today. You are pregnant.

N. LUCICH: Yay! We're having a baby!

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BALDWIN: One of the questions I have is, obviously, it's a special Father's Day for him, this coming Sunday, right, but also the fact that when you think of a surrogate, you think of someone who then walks away, is out of couple's life.

GUPTA: That's a really good point, Brooke. It's tough, I think. They talked a little bit about this. We'll follow them throughout the entire pregnancy and just the way you are as a mom when you're pregnant. Little things that you do.

Now, the other mom is watching. She's actually relative. So besides medical examines that you go through no matter what, there are also psychological testing, both sets of parents here.

BALDWIN: As in counseling?

GUPTA: Yes, counseling, making sure they are prepared for this, making sure they understand the impetus, probably addressing some of the issues you just raised.

There is also the idea of this as an adoption. So they literally have to sign adoptive paper work before the baby is born.

BALDWIN: Even though it's the sister?

GUPTA: Even though it's the sister. So, in some ways, it's family, it's a remarkable story, but in other ways, it has to be treated just like any other surrogacy.

BALDWIN: And so you will be following this through, following all the way along.

GUPTA: Yes. After meeting them like that, there's no way you can't help but want to see that.

We know she's pregnant now and we know they're going to get a baby and, some of the questions and concerns people have raised including yourself, we'll talk about those. I think people will learn a lot about that.

BALDWIN: Thank you, Sanjay Gupta. By the way, you can follow this exceptional pregnancy along with the good doctor. "Surrogate Sisters" airs on "Sanjay Gupta MD" this Saturday at 4:30 p.m. Eastern and again on Sunday morning at 7:30 Eastern time.

We are minutes away from Mr. Blitzer in "The Situation Room." And, my, oh, my, what a day when it comes to really historic immigration policy changing.

Wolf, who are you talking with about it later?

WOLF BLITZER, HOST, "THE SITUATION ROOM": Janet Napolitano, the Secretary of Homeland Security, former governor of Arizona. She's the one who made the initial announcement.

The president later followed as you know in the rose garden. So I've interviewed her and we go through some of the sensitive points, including the accusation this is all about politics, the president trying to consolidate his support in the Latino community looking ahead to November, November 6th, specifically. So we get into that.

Also, what about the parents of these young kids who are now going to have some legal status at least for two years? Not necessarily a full pathway to citizenship or amnesty or immunity or whatever, but they will have legal status.

They won't be deported. What about their parents? How nervous should they be? We get into all of that, as well. We'll have a full discussion of the substantive policy of this dramatic announcement by the administration today, as well as the political fallout, including getting a lot of angry reaction from Republicans out there, not to be surprised.

BALDWIN: Wolf, we'll see you at the top of the hour. Thank you, sir.

In the meantime, they have been on hiatus for a couple weeks, but it's back. These videos, our behind the scenes looks at the show. We're going to call it, as always, the "Week Winddown." Take a look.

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BALDWIN: By the way, this is your first "Week Winddown." Say hi.

GUPTA: Hi. How are you doing?

BALDWIN: This is the good doctor. We're just making you play in the fun video that we do behind the scenes. Cool?

GUPTA: I love it.

BALDWIN: I mean, obviously this is the priority right now.

GUPTA: Hello, yes.

BALDWIN: OK. No. The priority's talking to you about -- yes, thank you very much.

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BALDWIN: And we will air the whole thing, of course, on "The Brooke Blog." Go to CNN.com/brooke.

Rock fans, get ready to rock. Up close and personal here, interviews with famed guitarist Eddie Van Halen, who addresses his tour postponement, rumors and the future of his music. Don't miss this.

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BALDWIN: When the legendary rock band, Van Halen, tours, rumors follow. And when the band decides to take a break, the rumor mill goes into overdrive.

So we went straight to the source to Eddie and Wolfgang Van Halen to get the skinny on the tour postponement, David Lee Roth and the band's future plans and we also got a bonus -- an inside look at the special bond this upcoming Father's Day between father and son.

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BALDWIN: When Van Halen recently postponed 31 tour dates without an explanation, there was fear that guitarist Eddie Van Halen might be experiencing issues with his health.

EDDIE VAN HALEN, MUSICIAN: No cancer. That's a difficult question -- I'm kidding. WOLFGANG VAN HALEN, MUSICIAN: We bit off a little more than we can chew. Dad's perfectly fine.

BALDWIN: On June 27th, Van Halen will be taking a break from touring after 50 shows, supporting their new album "A Different Kind of Truth." They insist it has nothing to do with any tensions between themselves and off-again-on-again front man, David Lee Roth.

W. VAN HALEN: He's hilarious. Watch him on stage. He makes us crack up all the time.

BALDWIN: In Los Angeles for a two-day layover, we caught up with Eddie at his home studio.

E. VAN HALEN: This is the infamous 5150s recording studio. We are standing in the drum room. That's storage and piano room and this is guitar room and, obviously, that's the console on the other side of the glass there.

BALDWIN: His son, Wolfgang, spent a lot of time in this studio as a child. At age 16, he joined Van Halen as its base player. His first gig was the band's reunion tour with Roth in 2007.

W. VAN HALEN: Dad taught me like how to do some power chords when I was like 13.

E. VAN HALEN: Yes. Just simple. Just move your hand around. That's all I ever showed him.

W. VAN HALEN: He taught me the early stuff and I kind of took it in my own direction.

BALDWIN: "Wolfie" was just a toddler when Eddie noticed his son's passion for music.

E. VAN HALEN: We were in the kitchen and the commercial "I feel like chicken tonight" and I saw him boogey to it and he had rhythm and I went, "Yes, God. Thank you. He's got rhythm."

BALDWIN: And the two share another common trait.

W. VAN HALEN: We both get so nervous. Oakland.

E. VAN HALEN: Oakland, before we went on, I hurled. I blew lunch before we went out. That's how nervous I get. Still.

BALDWIN: They say Van Halen may return to the road by the end of the year.

E. VAN HALEN: I know that there's been talk of Australia and Japan in October and November. Don't quote me on that because that's management that takes care of that and they call us and say, you're going here now, but I heard talk about that.

BALDWIN: Despite releasing their new album in February, they are planning to work on some new music and maybe listen to some old tunes in their tape vault for inspiration.

W. VAN HALEN: This is actually where we drew a lot of the demos out.

E. VAN HALEN: There's a lot of music up there. One of these days -- you know, you have to bake them to make the adhesive go back into the tape. I always kind thought it was easier to write a new song than do that.

But there's a lot of music up there that's waiting to be heard.

W. VAN HALEN: It's endless, but there's a lot of music in here that's endless, too.

E. VAN HALEN: And here.

I'm just the luckiest father on the planet. I mean, for what he's grown up in. He doesn't smoke, he doesn't drink, he doesn't do drugs.

W. VAN HALEN: You're not so bad either.

E. VAN HALEN: Anymore.

BALDWIN: Van Halen will be on tour this weekend. Business as usual despite a special holiday on Sunday.

W. VAN HALEN: Happy Father's Day.

E. VAN HALEN: When are you going to be a father?

BALDWIN: Stop already.

W. VAN HALEN: Let's wait for that.

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BALDWIN: No pressure. No pressure. Our thanks, of course, to Eddie and "Wolfie" for their interview in their home studio. Too cool.

By the way, a quick reminder, as always, we'll pop that up in a couple stories and interviews on The Brooke Blog. So just go to CNN.com/brooke.

And I always love hearing from you. You know I tweet during my two hours during the show. Send me tweets, pontificate on whichever you would like @BrookeBCNN. I always welcome the comments.

Meantime, that's it for me. Thanks so much for watching. I'm Brooke Baldwin here at the CNN World Headquarters.

Now to Wolf Blitzer and "The Situation Room" which begins right now.