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Aired July 03, 2012 - 12:00   ET

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SUZANNE MALVEAUX, CNN ANCHOR: -- both the U.S. and Iran showing force. The U.S. Navy quietly deployed extra ships as a signal to Iran not to attempt to block the Strait of Hormuz, which is critical to shipping oil around the world. More American fighter jets are in position, capable of striking deep into Iran if the standoff over its nuclear program escalates.

Meanwhile, the Iranians are conducting a second day of war games. They fired missiles capable of hitting U.S. warships and American troops in the region.

And here, a dramatic video from Assam, India's northeastern state. Millions affected and driven from their homes in one of the worst floods to hit the area in eight years. Almost all of Assam's districts are now underwater and the agriculture minister tells "Reuters" at least 77 people have been killed so far.

And in the U.K., two little kids grabbing the Olympic torch? You can see them back there. They just broke through security, ran up to the torch bearers and tried to take off with it. Well, those runners making the handoff there kept their composure as well as the torch. Right now it is in the middle of a seven-day run through the U.K., leading up to the London Olympics. No arrests were made.

An apology today from Syrian president Bashar al-Assad. Now he says he regrets that his soldiers shot down a Turkish warplane last month. But they thought that the plane belonged to Israel. Well, President Assad told a Turkish newspaper that the doomed jet was flying in an area previously used by Israeli Air Force.

What he's not apologizing for is the widespread torture that his government is allegedly inflicting on his own people to crush the revolt against his regime. Ivan Watson has got the story.

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IVAN WATSON, CNN CONTRIBUTOR: Basat al-reeh, dulab, falaqa -- Arabic names for torture techniques that former prisoners and security officers say are systemically used by forces across Syria.

OLE SOLVANG, HUMAN RIGHTS WATCH RESEARCHER: We've documented the use of torture in 27 detention facilities scattered across Syria and, you know, what we found is that torture is widespread and systematic. WATSON (voice-over): A new report published by the group, Human Rights Watch, maps out dozens of detention facilities, where prisoners say they've been routinely tortured. Human Rights Watch is calling it the torture archipelago.

SOLVANG: It is a network of torture center, of torture chambers that the authorities are using to intimidate, to punish people who dare to oppose the government.

WATSON (voice-over): Human Rights Watch interviewed scores of torture victims, some of whom were only children.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE (from captions): On the third and last time they took me in for questioning they pulled out my nails with pliers or something like a screwdriver.

WATSON (voice-over): These testimonies are very similar to those gathered by CNN over the last 15 months. This opposition activist from Latakia says security forces beat him after handcuffing and blindfolding him when he was arrested in April of 2011. The torture continued throughout his 40-day detention.

"They used the car tire technique and basat al-reeh. They threw cold water on our naked bodies and they also urinated on us," he said.

Torture victim accounts match those of former torturers like this former secret police officer. He defected months ago and joined the rebel Free Syrian Army.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE (from captions): We would put the (inaudible) the basat (inaudible) and start beating (inaudible). He would scream (inaudible) God's sake. So we would say (inaudible) for God's sake (inaudible). Every stick had a name (inaudible).

WATSON (voice-over): Human Rights Watch isn't just documenting abuses. It's also naming and shaming, publishing names and ranks of commanders of individual detention centers.

SOLVANG: By indicating the names and identifying the people responsible for these detention facilities, we're really putting them on notice that somebody will have to -- somebody will have to answer for these violations.

WATSON (voice-over): Violations that the Syrian government routinely denies, but the evidence being gathered in reports like this one by Human Rights Watch is being prepared for that day when the dust finally settles in Syria, a day when many hope those accused of crimes against humanity will be brought to justice before an international court of law.

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MALVEAUX: Ivan Watson is joining us live from Istanbul, and, Ivan, tell us first of all, do they think that this naming and shaming strategy is really going to work? WATSON: Only time will tell, is the short answer to that. Basically, what they're doing is compiling evidence in a way that I haven't seen in past conflicts, part of which, because the Syrian conflict has run on for so long, it's much easier to get the names.

One of the proposals I've even heard from Western diplomats is to get the cell phone numbers of individual military commanders, whose battalions are accused of carrying out massacres and calling them up directly and saying, we know your people did this. We're gathering evidence against you and we can bring you to court when this is all over.

And Syrians should be looking at the prosecution of the former Liberian dictator, Charles Taylor, before an international tribunal on war crimes allegations and thinking this may catch up to us later.

MALVEAUX: And Ivan, real quickly here, has the Syrian government responded to this report by Human Rights Watch?

WATSON: No official response. And they've routinely denied accusations from the United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights when she has accused the Syrian regime of crimes against humanity. Just last week, the Syrian ambassador to the U.N. stormed out in protest at a U.N. Human Rights Council meeting, which was, again, raising allegations of serious human rights abuses inside Syria.

MALVEAUX: All right. Ivan Watson. Thank you, Ivan.

Syrian rebels are putting up a strong fight against government forces. What they lack in weapons training they certainly make up in sheer determination. Both sides are now suffering heavy casualties. Bill Neely, he is taking us on the front lines in the Syrian capital.

BILL NEELY, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): The face of revolution in the heart of the capital, these are Syria's rebels, and they're getting closer to President Assad. It's not that they've reached Damascus. They live here and they patrol openly, driving us for hours to the very front line of the war against their own regime.

NEELY: These men of the Free Syrian Army they say control this area and that regular Syrian troops have no power here. There's certainly no sign of them here. This is one of several suburbs in Damascus where President Assad clearly has lost control. An air force drone is buzzing, watching overhead. The rebels are often hit from the air, rockets, artillery, killed by their own former comrades.

He was in the army and now he has left. They have few weapons. They're young, but this, they say, is a war they will win.

NEELY (voice-over): These are their victims in a conflict that has just had its bloodiest week. Syrian soldiers are now being buried by the dozen. These men died in Douma on the edge of Damascus, 42 of them in a day and a half of fighting. The survivors console each other, but these men have reason to worry. The army death toll is now in the thousands. The pity of war is shared by both sides, but this army is accused of a pitiless bombardment of civilian areas in a war they, too, say they will win.

NEELY: You are sure you will win this war?

"Yes," he says. "We're ready to die, but they will."

They've come to the funerals directly from the battlefield. Behind them, 16 empty coffins. Ahead of them, the battle for Damascus that, in the suburbs, has raged for days. Countless civilians, soldiers and rebels, victims of its deadlock -- Bill Neely, ITV News, Douma.

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MALVEAUX: South African Bishop Desmond Tutu is talking now about the growing crisis in Syria.

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BISHOP DESMOND TUTU, SOUTH AFRICAN ACTIVIST: We're very, very concerned about all the carnage from whichever side. And we have been urging that a stop be put on all of that killing. It's not statistics. It's the daughter of someone. It's the mother of somebody who are dying. And, for goodness sake, can they do something about putting a stop to that?

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MALVEAUX: Bishop Tutu, he is a member of the Elders, that is a group of elites, senior statesmen, dedicated to solving tough global problems.

Here's more of what we're working on this news hour international. It wasn't supposed to be opened until the Apocalypse. But militants linked to Al Qaeda just destroyed a sacred tomb known as The End of the World Gate. We're going to bring you the chaotic situation in Mali.

And in his home country, he's considered an outcast, even a criminal. His crime? Being gay in Uganda.

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LONG JONES (PH), GAY ACTIVIST: Someone think because you're gay, it's like a virus, I cannot get close to you, I cannot talk to you, I cannot sit next to you.

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MALVEAUX: In West Africa right now, sacred tombs dating back to the 15th century are being destroyed by militants linked to Al Qaeda. It's happening in Timbuktu, which is in Mali. I want you to take a look at this.

This is the entrance to a tomb that honors Muslim saints. Militants, they went on a rampage on Friday, one day after the U.N. World Heritage Committee put the shrines on a list of endangered sites.

So what is behind this destruction? The militants, they want strict Islamic law to govern everything in Mali. And they say these monuments are a form of un-Islamic idolatry.

Michael Holmes joins us. And first of all, let's talk a little bit about this one particular site that was destroyed, this gate, if you will. Do people actually believe, anybody believe that the Apocalypse is going to happen because that gate has now been destroyed?

MICHAEL HOLMES, CNN CONTRIBUTOR: Well, the locals do, those who believe that this tomb was so holy that the gate would not be open until the last day of Earth. Well, yes, they think bad things are going to happen now because of this.

But the extremists who've done it, no, they say, as you said, that it's idolatry; it's not their version of Islam, where tombs should not be any higher than six inches off the ground.

MALVEAUX: Now you and I were talking about this. And you said this is a case of Muslim versus Muslim. Can you explain that?

HOLMES: Yes, when you or I were ahead of this story, actually, we talked about Mali a couple months ago. It was the Tuareg rebels who'd gone in there. They wanted to set up a homeland in the north of the country, kicked out the government soldiers from there. They worked with Islamists when they were fighting, the government soldiers.

What's happened since then, is those Islamists combined with Al Qaeda-linked groups, have swamped that area. They've hijacked that revolt, if you like, and they're the ones running an area the size of Spain now.

And these guys are hardliners. They are hardliners. They want strict sharia law. The locals don't want them there. The locals are not that branch of Islam. And so you -- basically it's just being taken over by these extremists.

MALVEAUX: Is there anything that the people there in Mali can do to fight this, to stop this?

HOLMES: It's very difficult, you know? Also Timbuktu, this is a very historic place. This has been on the UNESCO World Heritage site for years and years. They just put these shrines on the most endangered list. But this is a place that was a place of Islamic teaching from the 13th to the 17th centuries.

There are hundreds of thousands of Islamic documents there. There are numerous shrines like these, all of which they're going to try to destroy.

What can be done? The locals can't do anything. They don't have the power. They're Sufis; they're a different type of Islam to these hardliners that have come in.

The Tuareg rebels say they want to try to take it back again. They have got no chance against these guys. The only chance is France saying that they're confident that the U.N. Security Council is going to back a proposal for West African troops to go in and get these guys out. It's ironic --

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Is that likely to happen? And could that happen soon? Could they actually see some of these more sites destroyed in the meantime?

HOLMES: Yes, well, that's the thing. Yes, it could happen soon. I think that it will happen soon. You'll see West African troops -- ironically, didn't go in to stop the fighting, but go in to try to protect what's left of this area.

Will they get there in time? You know what, probably not. There was a spokesman, who was quoted early today, saying they're 90 percent done with the destruction of -- this is a couple of dozen shrines and tombs. And you know, it's just -- a UNESCO spokesman said this is a tragedy for all humanity in terms of --

MALVEAUX: Because, I mean, the value of these historic, historic places.

Michael, we have got to leave it there. But thank you, as always, for the update.

An American graduate student now is in stable condition after being attacked by two chimpanzees at a sanctuary in South Africa. The attack happened last Thursday at a chimpanzee sanctuary named after the activist, Jane Goodall, and the student was on a tour, apparently crossed over one of the fences that separates the public from the animals. That is when the chimps actually attacked.

Nkepile Mabuse, she is in South Africa where it all happened.

Tell us, first of all, how is the student doing? He is -- I assumed he's worked with chimps before.

NKEPILE MABUSE, CNN CORRESPONDENT: He has worked with chimps before. There are so many holes in the story, Suzanne. Obviously, because he's still sedated in the intensive care unit of the hospital, not being able to communicate, we don't have his side of the story.

He's undergone two operations, we are told by the hospital, to investigate his wounds and clean them out and stitch some of them that could be stitched and obviously mend fractures that he sustained. We understand that he sustained very, very serious injuries.

As I said, all the details we do not have yet, because most of the information we're getting from the sanctuary. They tell us that Andrew Oberle jumped over the first barrier, which is about a meter and a half high, that is supposed to separate people from animals. There's then another barrier, an electric fence, where the chimpanzees were.

We understand at this moment with the information that we have is he may have identified a stone that he thought one of the chimpanzees would pick up and maybe throw at one of the tourists and he wanted to stop that from happening. And he put his foot on the stone and that gave the chimpanzees an opportunity to grab him.

They grabbed him by the legs and, you know, we understand from the sanctuary, that they attacked him for a good 15 minutes, Suzanne.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Oh, that's terrible. We know this is a sanctuary that's very well known. It's been featured on the TV program "Escape to Chimp Eden."

Is this is something that has happened before or is this the first time that they've seen something like this at the site?

MABUSE: They say, you know, they've never seen anything like this. And, obviously, we've been speaking to other experts here in South Africa and a conservationist, who's been working for 33 years around the continent. He says he's seen lions maul people, crocodile attacks, but he's never, ever seen chimpanzees attack a human being in such a manner.

We're told that they were in an animal -- in a warlike state, we're told, by the sanctuary when they were attacking Oberle. It's, you know, people are concluding that they were fighting to defend their own territory, and they saw him as an intruder and that's why this very, very vicious and horrific attack, Suzanne.

MALVEAUX: All right. We certainly hope that he gets better. Thank you very much. We hope he recovers, Nkepile Mabuse.

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MALVEAUX: Welcome back to NEWSROOM INTERNATIONAL; we're taking you around the world in 60 minutes, news, culture, even music.

Here's what people are listening to right now in South Korea.

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MALVEAUX: All right. That was Busker Busker, holding down the number one spot on Korea's billboard K-Pop 100 this week. The band got their start when they appeared on the South Korean talent show, called "Superstar K3." It happened last year, and they've dominated the charts ever since. Good for them.

Scientific announcement tomorrow could change all of our lives. So researchers in Switzerland, they are expected to announce that they have discovered what is called "the God particle," or at least they're pretty sure they've discovered it. For about the last 50 years, it's been the most sought-after particle in all of physics. So think about this as a missing puzzle piece in our understanding of how the universe works.

And this is Ainissa Ramirez. She's a scientist, she's a professor at Yale University.

Thank you so much for helping us here, because our team, we've all been talking about this for the last couple of days. We're absolutely fascinated. But we're a little confused. So it you could help us understand, tell us what is "the God particle"?

AINISSA RAMIREZ, YALE UNIVERSITY: Well, thank you, Suzanne. The "god particle," well, that's a term that's kind of been used just to promote what it is, but its official name is the Higgs boson. And what it is is the missing link that links us to the Big Bang. The Big Bang occurred under 14 billion years ago, and it started with lots of particles that had no mass. And now we have us today, full of elements with mass.

Now, how do we get mass? Well, it's the Higgs boson or the "God particle," that is that missing link. That's the thing that created the mass.

MALVEAUX: So that's the thing that gives us all our shape, our form and our weight? That one kind of particle? Is that right?

RAMIREZ: It's that particle that gave all the elementary particles mass: electrons, protons and neutrons, which create atoms, which create elements, which create people, Earth, everything that we understand.

MALVEAUX: So what is --

RAMIREZ: That's the missing link and that's what's --

MALVEAUX: That's great. And so we got the missing link here. What does that mean for us now? What can we do with this information?

RAMIREZ: Well, first, it helps us decide that the model that we have to describe the universe works. If we have this data and we find out that it's correct, then we have a formula, if you will, that will describe everything in the world. It will describe why the sky is blue, why DNA has twists the way it does. It describes everything.

So this is a great way for us to understand how the world works. So that's the first part. And the reason why we do this research is just, it's curiosity, but also down the road, the Higgs boson might be important to us from a technology point of view. But first we have to find it.

MALVEAUX: So are we absolutely sure that we've found this "God particle"? You say you're almost certain, but not absolutely sure.

RAMIREZ: We're not absolutely sure. It's more of a definite maybe, if that makes any sense. The thing is that we can look at things -- and we have some confidence that it's a particle that looks like a Higgs boson.

But we have to make sure all the properties are right. And that takes a while. And so no one is really willing to stick out their neck because it almost looks like the Higgs boson. We want to be absolutely certain that that's the case. And so that's going to take much more time to dig through all the data.

I didn't mention, but the experiment that -- where this happens is in Cern. It's called the LHC, the Large Hadron Collider.

MALVEAUX: Right.

RAMIREZ: Now these experiments happen a million times per second, a million times per second. That's a lot of data. And we have to comb through that data to see if it looks like what the Higgs boson should generate. So it's going to take some time to dig through all that data.

MALVEAUX: And, Professor, is it worth it? We're talking about 50 years and billions of dollars spent to find this so-called God particle?

RAMIREZ: Well, it wasn't 50 -- it's not 50 years and billions of dollars just specifically for this particle. There's a lot of infrastructure that's needed, that's used for other science as well. But, yes, the first scientist, Peter Higgs, thought of this idea about 50 years ago, and we've been on this quest to figure it out and find it since.

MALVEAUX: And what's next, Professor?

RAMIREZ: What's next? Well, we'll find out tomorrow, July 4th, whether scientists feel confident that they actually found the Higgs boson and we'll continue on with the science. The science not only helps us understand the world, but there's so much more that we gain from big science.

We gain all kinds of technologies that we use today. We don't talk about this, but Cern, the place where this experiment happens, is actually the mother of the World Wide Web. So while we do big science, we create all these other things as well, which we use and enjoy today.

MALVEAUX: All right. Thank you for breaking it down for us. Really appreciate it.

There are people in his home country who would like to see him dead. Well, his crime, being gay. Now he's fighting back against the government of Uganda with a new documentary.

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MALVEAUX: Breaking news to CNN now. Actor Andy Griffith has died. We all remember the iconic show theme, just take a listen.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) UNIDENTIFIED MALE: "the Andy Griffith show," starring Andy Griffith.

MALVEAUX (voice-over): His folksy manner made him a star in the 1960s as sheriff Andy Taylor on the Andy Griffith show, set in the fictional town of Mayberry. Griffith played a single dad, who kept the peace, doled out advice in a sleepy country town.

In the 1980s, he was found -- he found fame all over again when he starred in the courtroom drama, "Matlock." He also recorded several gospel albums. He was a member of the TV and Christian Music Hall of Fame. He was 86 years old. We're going to talk to Larry King at 1 o'clock about his friend, Andy Griffith.

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MALVEAUX: Now, to Uganda, where politicians can call for people to be put to death because they're gay. In Uganda, it is illegal to be gay, but activists now are fighting back. And a new documentary tells their story. Our Kareen Wynter, she met one of those activists on a trip to the U.S.

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JONES (PH): Like I told you --

KAREEN WYNTER, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Ugandan native Long Jones (ph) is visiting the U.S. for the first time, experiencing something rare for him, a feeling of acceptance.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Actually I'm just amazed. I'm amazed.

WYNTER: In his homeland, Jones is an object of hatred for being gay.

LONG JONES, UGANDAN GAY RIGHTS ACTIVIST: Someone thinks because you're gay it's like a virus. I cannot get close to you. I cannot talk to you. I cannot sit next to you.

WYNTER: In Uganda, as in many other African countries homosexuality is illegal. Gay people are frequently vilified.

JONES: Being homosexual, no one will back you up. No one will want to defend you. No one will want to associate with you. So you're basically living in a world of isolation.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There's a way you feel when you know you're unwanted. That's how I feel.

WYNTER: Jones and several other gay rights activists are profiled in a new documentary "Call Me Kuchu," which highlights the political war erupting in Uganda over homosexuality. Some politicians want stiffer punishment like imprisonment, even death for anyone who is gay.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: God's law is that homosexuality is sin. God's law is always clear that sin is death. WYNTER: Death came to Uganda's leading gay rights activist, David Kato, who was murdered last year. The documentary filmmakers were recording at his funeral as clashes broke out between Kato's supporters and detractors.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Who are you to judge?

WYNTER: The Ugandan government has sent mixed signals about legal protections for gays. A spokesman told CNN to his knowledge no one is in prison for being a homosexual.

As for Kato's death, he maintains it was a robbery gone wrong not a hate crime. The government recently raided a workshop for gay rights activists and it banded dozens of nongovernmental agencies accusing them of supporting homosexuality.

BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA: It's unconscionable to target gays and lesbians for who they are.

WYNTER: President Obama and U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton have spoken out against Uganda's policy on gays. Last month, the State Department criticized anti-gay legislation pending in the Ugandan parliament.

VICTORIA NULAND, STATE DEPARTMENT SPOKESWOMAN: We think it's inconsistent with Uganda's international human rights obligations and it just sets a bad, bad precedent.

WYNTER: Visiting Los Angeles for the documentary's premiere, Jones marvelled about how open gays can be in the U.S.

JONES: It is quite amazing at how free and acceptable.

WYNTER (on camera): And just an example, put a smile on your face. You don't see that in Uganda.

JONES: No.

WYNTER: When people say, this is who I am.

JONES: No way.

WYNTER (voice-over): Jones says he's been warned his life is in danger back home.

JONES: Waking up one morning, you don't know whether you're going to see another day. It's really hard.

WYNTER: Despite the risks, he says he will soon return to Uganda to resume the campaign for gay rights.

JONES: I have to be there because the battle and the struggle is on the ground there. I may not live to see the fruits of the fight, but someday someone will say we fought for it.

(END VIDEOTAPE) MALVEAUX: Kareen Wynter, she is joining us now from Los Angeles. Kareen, we know that Uganda is not the only country that has anti-gay policies. How widespread is this across Africa?

WYNTER: You know, Suzanne, there are anti-gay laws on the books in many African countries. We're talking about Nigeria, Tanzania, Cameroon and Zimbabwe, generally with stricter laws against male homosexuality than female sexuality.

South Africa, far in a way has the most gay friendly policies, but even there, a prominent gay rights activist was brutally murdered recently in an apparent hate crime.

Now, Suzanne, as to why so many African countries have anti-gay laws, well, some experts, they attribute it to the influx of American Evangelicals who have come to Africa, basically urging people there to combat homosexuality.

But you heard -- you heard Long Jones' story. He's hoping to have quite an influence on his country and beyond and really in his own way change stereotypes out there.

MALVEAUX: Does he feel like he's risking his life by coming forward?

WYNTER: Absolutely. One of the most revealing parts of the interview, Suzanne, I have to say, when I asked him, is it worth all this? He said, Kareen, there are some days where I wish I weren't gay. You know, that I didn't come forward.

But what would that accomplish? There are so many lives to be saved. There are so many minds and you know, social concepts out there to be influenced.

He feels like he has an important work to do back home. He says if he doesn't see the fruits of his labor that this will have an impact someday, an incredible individual.

MALVEAUX: Yes, very brave. Kareen, thank you so much. Appreciate it.

Imagine being so desperate for cash that you would be willing to sell your body parts on the black market. That sounds pretty crazy, right? Well, for some people in Serbia, they actually believe this is their only option.

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MALVEAUX: Breaking news, U.S. and Pakistan are moving closer now to an agreement on re-opening the border crossings into Afghanistan for NATO supplies.

I want to go to Jill Dougherty. She is at the State Department with more on this developing story. Jill, I understand that Secretary of State Hillary Clinton had a chance to talk to her Pakistani counterpart. What did they discuss? JILL DOUGHERTY, CNN FOREIGN AFFAIRS CORRESPONDENT: Well, she did. Suzanne, we just got this statement from the secretary, and it's one word. One word that is very, very important that's kept this standoff from basically seven months between Pakistan and the United States. And that word is "sorry."

The importance here is that the so-called G-locks, these are ground routes into Afghanistan from Pakistan, and they are critical to the NATO operation in Afghanistan.

For seven months they were closed because Pakistan was very angry about 24 of their troops who were killed in a shooting and attack by NATO forces. NATO and the United States said that it was not intentional, that it was a mistake.

They had said everything, but we are sorry. They talked about regrets and condolences, but still this was held off. And now I think we do have a graphic of the statement by Secretary Clinton.

Saying, we are sorry for the losses suffered by the Pakistani military. We are committed to working closely with Pakistan and Afghanistan to prevent this from ever happening again.

So, Suzanne, the news is, of course, that these ground routes are re-opened and the other part of it is how this came about, a very difficult diplomatic issue that apparently has been solved.

And I should point out that on the second page, it said, we are both sorry for losses suffered by both our countries in this fight against terrorists.

So in other words, there's an apology directly to Pakistan, but also an apology in a sense to both countries for what has been going on because of terrorists.

MALVEAUX: And Jill, explain for our viewers, if you will, the importance of this route that literally connects Pakistan and Afghanistan and the kinds of supplies that are necessary to support the NATO troops, U.S. troops that are in Afghanistan?

DOUGHERTY: Absolutely. They're ground routes. You know, so much of the equipment they use in Afghanistan is very heavy equipment and it has been critical to getting that in and now getting out as the troops pull out, getting out of Afghanistan.

Without that, they have to find new routes and they have been doing that to a certain extent in Central Asia. Some of it might have to be shipped out, flown out. That would be extremely expensive.

So it's very, very important to get this agreement going. And it was really a diplomatic problem. Now, another thing was the price. We will have to get more details at the briefing.

But there was a transit fee, or there could have been, on these shipments on trucks coming in and out of Afghanistan. In this statement, it says Pakistan will continue not to charge any transit fee in the larger interest of peace and security in Afghanistan.

Now, we want to see the -- let's say the lawyer's language on this. How that has been finessed as well. But apparently that price for the shipments has been overcome as well. We'll get you some details we hope very soon.

MALVEAUX: And, Jill, I imagine this certainly underscores the importance of the relationship the U.S. has to Pakistan because it has been so full of tension.

A lot of it has deteriorated, if you will, over the last six to nine months, over a lot of incidents between these two countries. I'm assuming the reason the secretary made that apology because it was important to get beyond that and try at the very least to improve that relationship.

DOUGHERTY: Absolutely. In fact, you know, the killing of Osama Bin Laden was one of the turning points where there was a lot of anger. In this statement I'm noting also references to America respects Pakistan's sovereignty and is committed to working together.

So there's a lot of language that tells Pakistan that the United States does support its sovereignty and that was one of the things that the Pakistanis were very angry about.

MALVEAUX: All right, Jill Dougherty, thank you so much. Appreciate it. We'll get back to you when you have more on that statement as well.

Imagine being so poor you have to sell your body parts just to survive. Well, that is a growing number of desperately poor people. That is what they are doing.

There's a lucrative black market for human organs and it is spreading now across Europe. Nancy Scheper-Hughes is director of Organs Watch, which is a UC Berkeley based documentation and research project.

She's joining us from Memphis, Tennessee. Nancy, you know, you hear this. It's kind of unbelievable when you think about it. But these -- we're talking about people offering their kidneys, lungs, bone marrow, corneas. Is there any end to what people are willing to sell out of desperation here?

NANCY SHEPER-HUGHES, DIRECTOR, ORGANS WATCH: Well, there are some limits because you're not going to sell your heart. But kidneys are the prime, the blood diamond of the organ trade, much less so, half your liver or cornea, because the cornea's gotten pretty easily from the dead, although people offer.

They offer to sell anything. I've heard people in Manila say anything of which I have two, an arm, a leg, a testicle, anything, I'll sell it if I need to, to feed my family.

MALVEAUX: Please tell me why this is going on. I mean, what is happening in Serbia that is so serious that people feel like they've got to sell their organs?

HUGHES: This has actually been going on since the fall of the Soviet Union. It began with collapsed villages all over Eastern Europe and then also with the war in Yugoslavia.

People began to be desperate and more importantly there were outlaw surgeons and brokers, which I call often kidney hunters, who have set up very elaborate and very sophisticated organized crime networks, elicit networks.

That includes money laundering, renting hospital spaces, flying people with illegal documents. Really human trafficking for organs is what it's about. People selling to each other online, yes, that happens a lot.

But the main problem is when black market profiteers get involved and they're trafficking people, often lying to them, deceiving what they're doing and also patients willing to travel. Willing to travel to Backu, to Turkey, to the Philippines, to wherever, Colombia, and to Cyprus.

MALVEAUX: Explain to me the role of the internet because I understand that is really very significant here. That you have a market, a very lucrative market, a black market and the internet is playing a part in getting people together and actually fostering this.

SHEPER-HUGHES: Yes. The Internet is, of course, very important. But to tell you the truth, the real criminal networks do it by word of mouth because they're afraid of being caught. So the Internet exists for people who want to post their own need, their own desire to buy, but I'll tell you, that's now how the criminal brokers organize it. They use the Internet, but with great discretion. And they use mobile phones. They use meetings in shopping malls. They work through dialysis units, where they recruit people. They go to villages and they have people go door to door trying to recruit people who are desperate.

MALVEAUX: It is so disturbing to hear. I know that there are people who are trying to obviously tackle this issue. We're going to have to spend more time at a later date talking about that. But, thank you, once again, Nancy Scheper-Hughes, for bringing it to our attention.

SCHEPER-HUGHES: Thanks.

MALVEAUX: He was the top dog at one of the most powerful banks in the world. Well, now he's out. We're going to tell you about the spectacular rise and fall of Barclays' chief executive.

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First, the CEO of Barclays, one of the world's largest banks, resigned. Now the bank's chief operating officer has also stepped down. American and British regulators fined Barclays $450 million last week for fixing interest rates at the height of the global financial crisis. Barclays is just one of several banks facing lawsuits over the scandal.

Richard Quest, he's in London.

Richard, wow, quite a scandal in England. Is it a big deal because of how big the bank is or because basically they're caught up in manipulating interest rates?

RICHARD QUEST, CNN CORRESPONDENT: A bit of both. Barclays, one of the largest banks in the world, which is also a huge part of the New York investment scene ever since it bought the U.S. part of Lehman Brothers. Walk down Times Square, around Broadway, and you will see that large blue building with Barclays plastered all over it. Add to that the fact that they were fiddling interest rates, or at least a certain number of traders and bankers were, and you have what it is.

Just this time yesterday, when you and I were talking, it appeared that Bob Diamond, the chief executive, wasn't going to go. The chairman had gone. So we're all wondering, what happened overnight? Who finally said, Bob, here's the pistol, go outside and do the decent thing.

MALVEAUX: Do we know, or is it still pretty much a mystery, how that all unfolded?

QUEST: Some believe it was the Bank of England, the U.K. central bank. Others believe it's the FSA, the Financial Services Agency, basically that regulates the SEC in Britain. Clearly Barclays say he made a personal decision because of the intense pressure, external pressure is how they're putting it. We will find out because, here's the interesting thing, Barclays -- Bob Diamond is giving testimony tomorrow answering questions before members of parliament. And we've already had an eight-page submission from the bank which really does give more details of just what was going on and how the whole thing came about. I -- I think tomorrow when you and I speak, as I suspect we will around this time, we will be sort of sweeping up the mess on the carpet from what's gone on in parliament.

MALVEAUX: All right. We might be sweeping up the mess. All right, thank you, Richard. Appreciate it.

He's a newsman. He's also a man of God. We're going to talk to a CNN anchor who decided to become a priest.

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Most would agree the news room a far cry from being considered a holy place, yet during his career at CNN, a journalist, more than 30 years experience, received what he called his higher calling. Charles Hodson, he is based in London as a news anchor with "World Business Today." But as of July 1st, he added a new title to his name, reverend. Hodson is now the deacon in the Church of England. He was ordained on Sunday. So the Reverend Charles Hodson joins us from London.

Congratulations. Tell us why the switch, why the change?

CHARLES HODSON, ANCHOR, WORLD BUSINESS CNN: Well, I think just, very briefly and very simply, Suzanne, God called me. I wasn't aware of it, but others were. And one day somebody said to me, have you ever thought about becoming a priest? And, of course, my instinct was to say, no, not me.

But then, you know, I thought for about half a second and then I thought, hmm, maybe the rest of my life has been preparing me for just this moment and I have to go with it. And I went out after the meeting and I said to my wife, you know what, I've just been asked by that priest I've been speaking to, would I like to be a priest? And she said, that would be the latest fad. You know, you'll get out of that by the end of next week. But it wouldn't let me go.

I think of it as being like somebody's hand in the small of your back and they're just pushing you forward. And, you know, at this great -- at the heart of that, there's a tremendous serenity and confidence that you're going the right thing. And, you know, I went to various wise people and they discerned this was God's will for me. Who am I to fight it.

MALVEAUX: So how do you use your experience, your journalism experience, financial journalist for 33 years, to use that now in the priesthood?

HODSON: Well, I think, you know, there are a lot of transferable skills, as they say. I mean one of them is communication. One is the idea that you're out there and you've got to provide -- you've got to keep things going. You've got to provide some kind of performance.

I miss sometimes when I'm in church that reassuring thing that you and I have that we'll share with the viewers now, and that is the fact that in this little ear piece there's a producer who is ultimately taking responsibility for everything and saying, we're going to do that because the other thing's fallen down. If things are falling down in church and you're taking this service, you've got to go with the flow. You're going to have to go with whatever's happening.

MALVEAUX: Yes.

HODSON: But the other thing I think is just the idea of putting your thoughts together and expressing them, you know, and letting ideas flow sometimes, Suzanne.

MALVEAUX: Yes, despite our producers thoughts that they're the voice of God in your ear, not so much, we don't think.

Reverend, congratulations. Very nice to see you.

HODSON: Thank you. God did all the hard work, but by God's grace, here I am. It was a bit of work for me, too.

MALVEAUX: All right. Good to see you. HODSON: Our favorite photos of the day from around the globe. That's up next.

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MALVEAUX: Several stories caught our attention today. Photos as well.

I want you to take a look at this. This is Belarus. Soldiers marching in a military parade marking the nation's independence. Today marks the 20th anniversary.

And dancers perform in front of London -- rather Tower Bridge in London. They are taking part in a series called "The Mayor of London Presents." Those are cultural events being held around London to kick off the 2012 Olympics.

And a torchbearer holds the Olympic flame at the Coventry Cathedral ruins in London. The Olympic flame is now on day 45 of a 70-day relay involving 8,000 torchbearers and spanning 8,000 miles.