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Suspect in Shooting Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords to Plead Guilty on Tuesday; Drones are Used as Spies in the Sky; Tracking Tropical Storm Ernesto

Aired August 04, 2012 - 22:00   ET

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DON LEMON, CNN HOST: Hello, everyone. The stories you're talking about in a moment. But first, we want to get up to speed on some of the day's headlines.

Breaking news tonight of a man accused of shooting Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords and killing six others in Arizona last year.

Here's what the "L.A. Times" is reporting. They are reporting that Jared Loughner is set to plead guilty on Tuesday. And it adds mental health officials believed Loughner is confident to understand the charges against him in last year's shooting attack in Tucson, Arizona.

Now, according to the L.A. Times, it is not clear whether he will plead guilty to all of the charges he faces. CNN has not confirmed this information independently but a hearing is set for Tuesday in federal court in Tucson, Arizona.

Fourteen fires are scorching huge chunks of Oklahoma right now. Oklahoma county sheriff's deputies are looking for a possible arson suspect who may be linked to one fire. A red flag warning is in effect for much of the state. Oklahoma's governor says dangerous conditions are fueling the fires. At least 120 homes or buildings have been destroyed.

Live report from Oklahoma, stay tuned for that here on CNN.

In the Caribbean Sea, tropical storm Ernesto drawing a bead on the Yucatan Peninsula. Look at that. The storm is packing winds up to 60 miles per hour and could become a category one hurricane the next few days. Jamaica is under a tropical storm warning right now. We are keeping an eye on that.

Here is what else we are working on for you tonight on CNN Saturday night, where most shows, of course, dare not go.

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LEMON (voice-over): The new American obsession, perfection in a pill.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It's not like I get high off it or anything. LEMON: But some people are, getting high on life and even higher on the corporate ladder, but at what cost perfection? This man says another popular pill zapped his sex drive and shrank his testicles. I bet that got your attention. And so will this.

It's a bird. It's a plane. No, it's an unmanned weapon of war tracking and recording your every move, even in the privacy of your own home.

All that, plus, "50 shades of Grey." Hair at the box office.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I'm back.

LEMON: And full frontal in primetime in high definition. But, who is watching? Everybody.

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LEMON: We got a lot packed in this show for you this evening. Thank you so much for joining us.

You know, every four years, all of those gold, silver, and bronze medals are a testament of on our pursuit to physical protection and it can't help but remind us mere mortals the help we need just to compete in the game of life. Some of us take steroids for the gym and a little blue pill in the bedroom and for the mirror, all of those air loss drugs. You know do you it.

But, what if you could take a pill that gives you a mental edge? It makes you better at your job and even smarter too. Would you take it? No matter the risk? Well, sounds like science fiction but the future is now for people like Dave Asprey. There he is now. He swears by a little pill. It's nicknamed the Viagra for the brain.

So Dave, the pill you take every day is called Provigil. It is supposed to treat a sleep disorder called narcolepsy which you don't have. So, why do you take it?

DAVE ASPREY, USES PROVIGIL TO STAY FOCUSED: I take it because it helps me be better at all of the things I do. I'm a better father. I'm a better meditator, better entrepreneur. It helps across everything that you do.

LEMON: Everything that you do. So you are a successful internet executive. Do you think that you would be where you are in your career right now without provigil?

ASPREY: Absolutely not. It's made a huge difference for me, both in business school when I got my MBA in Wharton, as well as just in board meetings. I fly around the world hundred times a year, quite often in order to go to different meeting and present on stage with very little sleep. The stuff is magic.

LEMON: Magic! OK. Do you ever wonder, though, if it's a placebo that you may perform better because you think the drug is actually boosting you? ASPREY: I've wondered, but I've tried other smart drugs that don't have the same effect so it's unlikely to be a placebo.

LEMON: Other smart drugs, what? What are you talking about?

ASPREY: There is one called anarasatan that has been out since the 1970s, I believe. And I started out tried that stuff in the 90s.com boom. It turns out those are neuro protective. They protect my brain cells. They make me live longer and they feel pretty good. But provigil in a class by itself in terms of what it does for your ability to just focus.

Yes. And of course, there are other drugs like adderol, some people call it? Like a steroid for the brain about college kids taking it to stay up and cram and study, that, do you ever try anything like that?

ASPREY: I try adderol and I think it's terrible for you. It is unhealthy and I don't recommend it for anyone. There are other safer ways including good quality coffee to get that kind of a kick. Provigil is not even a stimulant officially. It's arousal promoting. It helps you to be awake but it doesn't force you to be awake.

LEMON: All right. I'm sure the makers of adderol would probably disagree with you. But listen. How do you get this estrogen if you don't have a sleep disorder? You don't have narcolepsy, so how did you even get this?

ASPREY: I read a blog post about it because so many people have asked me. It is in (INAUDIBLE). And what you do is you go to your doctor and you say here are the symptoms I have and if you have the right symptoms, your doctor can write it for you. It turns out if you have shift work or sleep disorder which if you fly around a lot or you are required to stay up late for your job on occasion, you probably may have if you, you know.

LEMON: Dave, that's all of us! I mean, I'm in different time zones all the time and I fly around a lot, but I don't think my doctor is going to give me a prescription for provigil and a lot of people do that and I run into the same people on the airplane all the time.

ASPREY: Have you asked your doctor yet?

LEMON: No, I have not.

ASPREY: He probably would.

LEMON: But I will. And you know, as a matter of fact I take that back. We were going to do the story a couple of weeks and then the shooting happened and I did ask him about it and he didn't agree with it. It was by text message. Thank you for reminding me of that. And he didn't agree it was this awesome drug that it's being made out to be that you say it is.

But let me ask you about the side effects. Do you have any side effects? Do you worry about your long-term health in any way? ASPREY: I run an anti-aging nonprofit group where I get to work with some of the top research scientists and physicians who work on longevity. And it turns out that the side effects of this are less risky than Tylenol. Tylenol has much greater toxicity in the liver than the stuff does. I'm not concern about provigil as much as I am about say nutri-sweet.

LEMON: Yes. What about headaches or anything like that? Every drug has something. I mean, even, you know, when you see the commercials and they read the warning labels and stuff, you'd say, my goodness, I'd rather have that disease or that symptom, rather than what this thing could cause.

ASPREY: Well, there are some reports that there's a rare allergy kind of skin disorder that you can get. It is very rare and it is not entirely clear that it is really caused provigil. Well, just in case, they have that warning on there and some people get things like headaches. But, I'd say the only potential side effect I might have noticed is that led Christmas lights seem to be brighter. Like in "Limitless" the movie, when everything gets brighter, sort of the whole world around you, you just perceive it more intensely and I just noticed it at Christmas.

Other than that, the side effects are, I feel really good. I'm really focused and I have more energy to be with my family, with my kids, and it's really helped me, I think, on every level that I've tried to improve myself.

LEMON: I have a co-worker who takes it and my co-worker gets headaches. So you don't get the headache. I'm wondering, though, do you feel like in any way that you are doping or cheating, you know, athletes when they take steroids? You're taking this and everyone else around you is not taking this. Many people are going and drinking a coffee every day.

ASPREY: I was in business school really concerned about this, so before every test, I would set the bottles of these two smart drugs. I was taking at the time on the desk in front of me. So I don't consider it cheating if a, you're not harming yourself and b, you tell everybody else what you're doing. It's cheating if I did it in secret. I'm out here. I am taking the stuff and it works and I'm not harming myself.

LEMON: And you'd recommend it to other folks, right?

ASPREY: Absolutely. And people are really working on expanding their game. They want to do more with their career. They are having energy problems or they are just having a hard time doing all of the things that life demands of them, if this is safe, which it appears to be and it helps them to do the things that --

LEMON: At this point, it appears to be but no long-term studies. If you found out that by taking this drug that it was going to damage your health or shorten your life, would you still do it?

ASPREY: Probably not. But the odds of that being the case with this drug are not very high. It's been around for long enough and its predecessor (INAUDIBLE) has also been out quite a while and we know what it does too many parts of the body. There are still some mechanisms in the brain we don't know. My wife is a trained physician. She supports me taking it as well.

LEMON: All right, well, thank you. And we are not recommending anybody take any of these drugs but, thanks, Dave. Appreciate you coming on and being forthcoming to us. And I'm going to ask the audience here, would you take it? @donlemoncnn, send me a tweet and let me know.

Thanks again to Dave Asprey. Of course, perfection usually comes with a prize, also known as the fine print. We are going to examine that and a long term dangers. Plus this.

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LEMON: It's a bird. It's a plane. No, it's an unmanned weapon of war tracking and reorganized your every move, even in the privacy of your own home.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I think people are always trying to find something that can help them go to their full potential.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They are extremely skeptical about it. I think it is something that I want to see it go through a couple of trials and see how people actually react.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I believe in my own national abilities to learn and achieve in my own home. And I think everybody should be drug-free as possible.

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LEMON: So, like the internet guru I spoke to before the break, millions of people swear by their miracle medications but at what cost?

Kevin Malley says the hair loss drug PROPECIA did more than grow his hair. He says it made set into mental blog. It made him impotent and even shrank his genitals. Doctor Sharon Bergquist from Emory University is standing by.

But Kevin, those are tough things to admit, especially to the world coming on national television, international television. Why do it?

KEVIN MALLEY, SUING MAKER OF PROPECIA: Well, I want to warm other men who might be considering PROPECIA, that this drug extremely dangerous and it's not what Merck said it was. LEMON: You are part of a class action lawsuit against Merck, the company that makes PROPECIA. They say that Merck believes that PROPECIA which is finasteride has demonstrated efficacy profiles and the product labeling appropriately describes the benefits and risk of the drug to help perform prescribing. So, they saw no casual relationship between the use of PROPECIA and continued sexual dysfunction after designation of discontinuation of treatment. How do you respond?

MALLEY: Well, if the warning labels are adequate why do they have a discrepancy in the warning labels between the cartons and they also, change the warning labels four times in the past two years? So obviously, Merck knows is there a danger but they don't want to properly warn the public.

LEMON: How old were when you when you started taking? How long did you start taking it?

MALLEY: I took it off and on from May to October 2011.

LEMON: When did you --

MALLEY: I started noticing --

LEMON: Yes, when did you start noticing the side effect?

MALLEY: I started noticing severe problems around October. I was doing jujitsu with my girlfriend and noticed my body wasn't responding correctly and when it was time for sex I noticed things weren't responding properly either. So, I got off the drugs and I fully expected things to get better and that when the side effects got stream.

LEMON: What did your doctor say?

MALLEY: Doctor said there is nothing we can do for you. Give it more time and I gave it six months. I went back to the doctor later and it was worse than ever. And he said there is nothing we can do for you. So, I've been on replacement therapy for a couple of months and that's only had a modern improvements.

LEMON: Doctor Sharon Berquist, to you now. Kevin said it got even worse for him after quitting the drug. It was almost a year ago. Is that common?

DOCTOR SHARON BERGQUIST, EMORY UNIVERSITY: That is not common from these drugs. Again, with these two cases, I think, they are both have their similarities but there are also some differences. Of course, in both of these scenarios, we have people taking drugs --

LEMON: Enhancement.

BERGQUIST: Enhanced performance in some capacity or to essentially fight nature. The difference is Mr. Asprey is using this drug essentially in a way that is not its intended use and he is essentially guinea pig because we don't know long-term effects and we don't know what happens --

LEMON: So, you wouldn't recommend it?

BERGQUIST: I would not recommend it.

LEMON: So then, how are people going in though, and getting prescriptions for drugs that where they don't have that particular ailment?

BERGQUIST: I think there are several different scenarios. I think one is some physicians are maybe not as rigorous in their diagnoses of certain conditions.

LEMON: Should they be?

BERGQUIST: I think they should be. And to your point, you mention that anybody could say I have trouble sleeping but not everyone having trouble sleeping has a sleep disorder. I think we need to be testing and to be more rigorous to differentiate the people who are more appropriate.

LEMON: What about more warnings? Because as you've seen the commercial that says can cause this and this isn't like, oh my goodness. I mean, how many more warnings can you get on there?

BERGQUIST: I'm not sure we need to be putting more warnings. I think that what we do need to be doing is comparing the benefits against the potential harm of these medications and making educated decisions based on that information.

LEMON: Doctors that do it legal, is it legal? Is it moral? Should we be looking more into it? Are they doing what they are supposed to do? They are working within the bounds of being a doctor?

BERGQUIST: Right. I think, you know, there are two sides to this. From a patient's standpoint, I think patients should have that right to make their own health decisions and we, as physicians, should help educate to help them get there.

However, these are federally controlled substances. And in the case of provigil, this is a controlled substance with a habit forming potential. So, when you are having a physician describe it you are pulling in ethical consideration as well as legal consideration.

LEMON:

BERGQUIST: I mean, Don, it wasn't long ago that Michael Jackson's physician was convicted of involuntary manslaughter. So, where is that fine line between what is OK and ethical and what is truly causing harm?

LEMON: Doctor Bergquist, thank you very much.

And I should tell you. Kevin has made this admission and part of a class action suit. And when that is settled, Kevin, we invite to you come back on. Thank you so much. We appreciate it. OK?

MALLEY: Thank you, Don.

LEMON: Thank you, doctor.

You've seen them in spy films for 50 years, but now they are real and they are coming to your neighborhood. In fact, we have got them in the studio right now.

They are unmanned aerial vehicles or UAVs, you know? We call them drones. We are used to seeing them in war. We are going to have a live one demonstration next, right here in the studio.

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LEMON: That noise you're hearing, that's a live drone. We are going to get to that in a moment. But, they can see anywhere. There it is! They can see anywhere at any time, watching you when you haven't got a clue. That's what the enemy knows of anti-terror drones used overseas and this is the image most people have of drones. Large aircraft launched from an art. They don't think of them like this.

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LEMON: Like this on U.S. soil. Small enough to fit in the trunk of your car and launch with a push of a button and they are now being used by cops. Of course, we have been on reporting on this. This as Rodney, a police in North Dakota used a predator drone on his property before going in and arresting him on cattle wrestling charges last year.

So, want a bird's-eye view of your estate? Agents using drones to sell properties and police using drone to put the smack-down on the bad guys, getting an advantage from a cheaper option and fly above.

So, joining me in the studio to explain all this noise that you're hearing is William Robinson. He is from adaptive flight UAV, a company that makes these mini choppers.

Thank you so much for joining us. So, how is this - show me how this thing works?

WILLIAM ROBINSON, ADAPTIVE FLIGHT UAV: This vehicle here is called a - micro, our smallest vehicle. It's basically GPS guidance and on-board flight computer and can navigate through the air space and providing real-time video.

LEMON: My God.

ROBINSON: It's a really nice platform that can be easily packed in the trunk of a police car and say the police agency wants to -- they can use it.

LEMON: You're looking at that video from -- it's coming from this drone. And so, the concern is that -- because is a useful police departments are using this around the country that the cops or authorities and big brother will be able to peer into your home and all that and maybe your neighbor if you, if you want to check up on your husband or your wife.

I mean, but how - can anybody get these things? Can just I go on your Web site, a new Web site and get one of these?

ROBINSON: Not all can get one. It does require approval, of course, through the state department and multiple levels and there are laws in place that prevent people from spying on one another. This vehicle itself is a useful tool for law enforcement and putting -- serving warrants. It is a safety tool, not for spying and peering over individual's private property.

LEMON: I got to tell you that this is really cool. Don't freak out. I'm stepping out of the light here. But, what are the -- oh, my God. So, what are the limitations here when you can't just go in and say, oh, I want to get one of these and I want to go -- my wife, I'm worried my wife may be cheating on me, you can't do that?

ROBINSON: No. Currently, there are laws in place around the United States and certain areas that you can fly them.

LEMON: But the concern-- go ahead. Tell me about mesa. I can barely hear you.

ROBINSON: So in Mesa County, Colorado, they have a law population density and the appropriate air space of monitor an unmanned vehicle, so, they are currently using them for crime scene investigations and basically surveying accidents.

LEMON: But you said that anyone who is a U.S. citizen can buy one of these, right?

ROBINSON: That is correct.

LEMON: So then, of course, the concern is going to be about abuse. I mean, just because you're not supposed to use it for that, it doesn't mean that people won't use it for that. I mean, you are selling it, but you have no use.

ROBINSON: No. There is also no difference than someone parking a van at the corner of the street and videotaping out the window. This is another camera platform.

LEMON: This is really cool. Do you sell a bunch of these?

ROBINSON: Yes, we do.

LEMON: How many, approximately?

ROBINSON: I'm not sure what the number we are up to now. But the department of justice is one of our customers and, of course, the state department has approved some foreign company for purchase also.

LEMON: What would one set me back if I wanted to buy one? ROBINSON: The entire system, the system, the helicopter, everything you need will set you back about 50k.

LEMON: About $50,000 for a drone?

ROBINSON: Yes.

LEMON: So, if you want to find out if someone is cheating on you and spying on your neighbor, or whatever it is. If you better have a whole lot of money because it's going to cost you a lot.

That is very cool. You're not going to go anywhere. Stick around. William Robinson. It is called Adaptive flight UAV, right?

ROBINSON: It is Adaptive Flight Incorporated.

LEMON: Right. Stick around. We are going to talk a little bit more about this because police departments in the U.S. already have these drones in their arsenal as we have been telling you about. But how far can they go and what are your rights when it comes to these things? We are going to talk to one department that already uses it coming up.

Don't go anywhere. How cool is that?

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LEMON: So you're out and about. You're not in front of a television to stay connected to CNN? You can. Pull it up on your cell phone like I do or you can watch it from your computer even at work. Just go to CNN.com/TV. Tell them Don Lemon sent you.

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LEMON: I'm so excited about my inner child is coming out. I want one of these things.

Tonight, you know, we are talking about the spies in the sky. Drones over neighborhoods being used to hunt down suspects and go where officers and regular helicopters can't go.

So joining me now is William Robinson who is still here. He has been demonstrating this UAV for us. Drone, as we call it. But Ben is in Colorado.

So Ben, thank you so much for joining us. Benn, you managed the unmanned aircraft program for the Mesa County, Colorado, sheriff's office.

BEN MILLER, MANAGER, UNMANNED AIRCRAFT PROGRAM: Yes.

LEMON: Let me think. What do you think about this argument that these drones pose a threat to a person's personal privacy? I personally, I would like to have one but I wouldn't want this thing flying over my house. MILLER: Well, you know, do they present a threat to privacy? Part of that answer is yes and part of that answer is no, that's pretty over exaggerated.

LEMON: Well good. What do you mean by that? Tell me.

MILLER: What I mean by that is, you know, from a law enforcement perspective I've been watching the show so far, you know, as we come up to this. And I'm thinking about it and thinking if -- I think you made a couple of comments spying on an ex-wife and that kind of thing. That was the situation for me. I would lose my job and shame my family and, you know, I'd be kind of the black sheep of my professional community.

LEMON: But the reason I was asking that is because private citizens can buy these and if you're even private investigators, you don't have to be with, you know, a police department to get one of these things. And the concern that I've heard about people spying on their neighbors, spying on their husbands or their wives with their significant others, or having someone check into their personal privacy and they don't have to be a law enforcement agency. That's the reason I ask that.

MILLER: And yes, that was kind of the second half of my answer was, yes, I would agree with you, that, you know, the general public really doesn't have any kind of administrative management to the use of these things. And you know, there would be some concern.

LEMON: Yes. OK well said. But let me ask you this.

So, police departments around the country dealing with budget deficits, filing for bankruptcy protection, some of them, do you think -- he said this was like $50,000. Do you think this is a cost protective pressure for departments?

All right. We lost his audio there because he's on Skype.

William, what do you think? $50,000, I'm sure the number of police officers that they might have on the street can be doing other things with this and they actually don't have to pay a salary over a long-term and so it may actually be cheaper.

ROBINSON: The point of this is we're not to eliminate jobs if that is where that's going. The point -- this is -- you're looking at millions of dollars and that requires a crew, it requires fuel and it requires maintenance. And of course, it requires a very small amount of maintenance but does not require the several hundred dollars in fuel and multimillion dollar investment in an aircraft and this annual salary.

LEMON: Listen. He is doing this from a remote control here and it's almost like the helicopter you see the people in the park using, but you can also do this from a computer and from hundreds, if not thousands of miles away.

ROBINSON: This vehicle here is completely capable of 100 percent automated flight. Right now we are controlling it via radio control in the studio because your frequency bands are jam-packed and very busy so we didn't want to risk anything inside the studio here. But this vehicle if we were to take it outdoors or we have more space inside the studio with less frequency and a current, we can flip into a GPS denied mode and still operate upon this thing.

LEMON: So, if I'm sitting at home right now, and I'm watching this, how can you -- this probably is a better question for Ben, but we can't get in touch with Ben because of his audio. I don't know. Maybe it's because of this thing. But how am I going - how would you assure me that my privacy not going to be invaded by someone with one of these things?

ROBINSON: That is the measures that are put in place by our laws. Right now, if the warrant is put on an individual, you can watch them from the air via a manned vehicle. So why not do that cheaper and save the taxpayers' money with a smaller vehicle? This is not intended for illegal use.

LEMON: Yes. I can't take my eyes off of this. Sorry. I am listening to you but I can't take my eyes off of this UAV as you call it. We call it drones. And these are the ones that are being used and been a bit controversial around the country about police departments using them, whether or not it's OK to go over your home and look into your backyard. And of course, they can do infrared as well but that's not legal. They can actually look in your home. Is that legal now?

ROBINSON: No, no, no. They can't look into a home with an infrared camera.

LEMON: Wanted to make sure.

All right. Thank you, William. Very cool stuff here, very cool stuff and thanks to Ben as well.

So it is the size of an SUV. It weighs nearly a ton and gone 35 million miles and will soon be barreling toward mars at 13,000 miles an hour through the punishing mars atmosphere. We got all kind of gadgets tonight. Details about the incredible rover mission, that's next.

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LEMON: All right. We have our fun topics here but half past the hour and we have to get you caught up on streets. Here are the headlines of the hour.

Breaking news tonight, The "L.A. Times" reporting Jared Lee Loughner is set to plead guilty on Tuesday. He is the man accused of shooting Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords and killing six others in Arizona last year. The paper is reporting that mental health officials believe Loughner is competent to understand the charges relate to last year's shooting in Tucson, Arizona.

Now, according to the "L.A. Times" it's not clear whether he will plead guilty to all of the charges he faces. CNN has not confirmed this information but a hearing is set for Tuesday at federal court in Tucson.

Fourteen fires scorching huge chunks of Oklahoma and the sheriff deputies are looking for a possible arson suspect who may be linked to one fire. A red flag warning is in effect for much of the state. Oklahoma's governor says dangerous conditions are fueling the fires. At least 120 homes or buildings have been destroyed.

All right. So, they call it seven minutes of terror. The last delicate stage of NASA's mars landing that happens early Monday morning. If all goes as planned, a 2,000-pound rover called curiosity will land on the marshan surface after 1:00 a.m. Monday. The rover is the largest robot scientists have ever tried to land on another planet. We like our gadgets here on this broadcast.

Mitt Romney, you know, he did something that is usually reserved for liberals. He picked up a big Hollywood endorsement, a big one. I should say, a dirty on. At that, dirty as in Dirty Harry, get it? It's not saying anything bad. I'm talking about Clint Eastwood. Ana Navarro.

So, Anna, don't Republicans like you refer to Hollywood as a bunch of liberals except for Reagan, of course.

ANA NAVARRO, REPUBLICAN STRATEGIST: Well, you know, we refer to them as liberals when they are endorsed the other guys. But when they are endorsing our guys, they are just very patriotic celebrities that are doing the right thing for their country.

You know, this was a great endorsement for Mitt Romney, Don! He began the week talking about dirty Harry and he was referring to Harry Reid with whom he has been feuding all week. By the end of the week it was dirty Harry, Clint Eastwood. So, great for Mitt Romney.

LEMON: I have an idea for you and hear me out here. Clint Eastwood for vice president? I mean, Romney has this reputation. You saw being a wimp, whether it's real or not. Check out this "Newsweek" cover that Eastwood would certainly help to change, right? The two just opposed.

So, I mean, there have been strange candidates. Pleas, he was the mayor in the '80s of Carmel, California. So, I don't know. What do you think of that idea?

NAVARRO: Look. I think it's an idea worth considering. Look. I think Mitt Romney should send Clint Eastwood to the "Newsweek" offices. Because, you know, Clint Eastwood could just glare you into submission, frankly. You could just, you know, stare you down. We are going to get bumper stickers now, Republican that say, my celebrity endorser van beat up your celebrity endorser.

LEMON: Yes. I know people are looking at it as a celebrity endorsement. And you know, it's kind of funny where - but, I actually think it's not a bad idea. I mean, the man has political background. And he is very popular as much as President Reagan has to be respectful was. So, I don't know. I think it could happen. Just think about it Mitt Romney.

Don't go anywhere though, Ana.

NAVARRO: He's a sophisticated man and has, you know, a man who has done public service and who knows politics and who is engaged and who, despite his age, maintains himself incredibly active in business and politics and in the arts.

LEMON: All right. I'm not done with you so stand by. We are going to talk about this. Some say the Olympics, you know, this year are more like the skin-lympics. Look at these pictures. Male and female athlete is giving it - you know, showing us all, nearly baring it all. And you know what, the old is all new again. Old actors, old movies. Hollywood is retooling and rehashing and reusing. Can you guys stop it, please?

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I'm back!

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LEMON: He's back and a whole bunch of other people at back.

Dear Hollywood, any fresh ideas out there? Even old action guys, Sylvester Stallone, Arnold Schwarzenegger, they are returning to the screen along with others. Do they have any mojo left or do they need their canes or wheelchairs yet? It's so mean!

I actually hope the old guys do better at the box office than the young guys. All of these sequels, Spiderman, Batman and Snow White, they all have gotten a Hollywood makeover again and again and again.

So, our message is, dear Hollywood, please stop.

Let's talk again. Ana Navarro is her. Dean Obeidallah is back again. I haven't been with you guys in a long time. Have been doing all three. Now we get to have some fun.

Good to see you guys. So, when this - Dean, do you feel like me? I know we were making fun of the old guys are back. I kind of want the old guys to do well because it's always young punks at the movies.

DEAN OBEIDALLAH, POLITICAL COMEDIAN: I definitely want them to do well. But, you know, this is show business, my friend. It is a business and that's why the old people are still there. They are stars and have drawing power.

Here is a number to remember. The average studio movie costs $65 million, not even involving promotion and advertising. And you know what? Spider-man made over $400 million, the new one. There will be sequels and remakes over and over again because it protects your job. You know, if a movie fails because of the remakes or successful one, you can keep your job at the studio. You green light and lose $50 million you're out of work.

LEMON: Do you think this movie is going to do well? This is the expandable two. You think it is going to do well?

OBEIDALLAH: It looks cool to me. I mean, I want the drone. You want a drone in a movie, Don! Don and the drone.

LEMON: Everybody is going on and on about these drones. The drones are on twitter. You're going on that -- Ana.

OBEIDALLAH: I love the drones.

LEMON: Ana, you want to rent the drone!

NAVARRO: I want to rent the drone because they cost too much money. But, you know, I think I could do all of the spying I need to do in one or two days. I really don't need it the rest of my life. And I think we could really use one of those drones in politics.

Listen. If we sent that drone to political opponent's events to just hover off, hover all of those events, it would drive them crazy.

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LEMON: Batman, crazy. We are supposed to be talking about movies and you guys, were going in the commercial break, I wish the audience could hear. They were going on and on about the drones.

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LEMON: I don't know if you guys can see air. Look at this. I just think it's really amazing stuff and I had this in the studio. Every guy in the control room, I'm told by the ladies there, standing up -- sitting on the edge of their seat.

OBEIDALLAH: Ana, do you think Mitt Romney owns any drones? He has a lot of money. He might own a drone or two. He could send it over Obama?

NAVARRO: You know, I don't think -- Mitt Romney does not break the laws and does not do those things.

OBEIDALLAH: He could legally have a drone.

NAVARRO: He doesn't own a drone. He knows the people who own the drone company. But I want to make sure the adults in the room there at CNN Atlanta, make sure that Don Lemon returns that drone! Bad things could happen if Don Lemon didn't return that drone!

LEMON: All right. So, enough with the drone for now. Listen. One last question, Ana. How I do think these movies are going to do? You are for the old guys as well. Do you want to see the young, cute, you know hunky guys or the old guys who have got some time under their belt?

NAVARRO: I want to see them both. I have a soft spot in my heart for the old guys. I don't think they are old guys. They are classics and we are all going to be old at one point or another so I think we need to start standing up for the old guys the sooner, the better.

LEMON: You want it.

NAVARRO: I hope they succeed.

LEMON: You want everything. You want everything.

OK, listen. Both of you, stick around because I'm going to need you to talk about this next topic.

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LEMON: Full frontal in prime time in high definition, but who's watching? Everybody.

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RAZIA JAN, COMMUNITY CRUSADER: In Afghanistan, most of the girls have no voice. They are used as property of a family. The picture is very grim.

My name is Razia Jan and I'm the founder of a girl's school in Afghanistan.

When we opened the school in 2008, 90 percent of them could not write their name. Today, 100 percent of them are educated. They can read, they can write.

I lived in the U.S. for over 38 years but I was really affected by 9/11. I really wanted to prove that Muslims are not terrorists.

I came back here in 2010. Girls had been the most oppressed and I thought I have to do something. It was a struggle in the beginning. I would sit with these men and I would tell them, don't marry them when they're 14 years old. They want to learn.

How do you write your father's name?

After five years now, the men, they're proud of their girls when they themselves can write their names.

Very good.

Still we have to take this -- some people are so much against girls getting educated. We can provide free education to over 350 girls.

I think it's like a fire and it will grow, every year my hope becomes more. I think I can see the future.

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LEMON: That was pretty cyber out daily and frenzying a little spoof on LMAFO song, Sexy and I know it.

The men and women of the Olympic Games are tone and trim and scantily clad but is there more? Focus on skin than sport? Ana Navarro. Dean Obeidallah.

So, I have to tell you. I'm in a bar with my friends, a bunch of people. We are all watching, eating wings and beer and we are watching and everybody is like, oh, my God! Oh, my eyes! What is going on? I think it was diving or something.

Dean, whose heart is racing more, the Olympic athletes or the people sitting at home watching in prime time? Never have I seen so much skin in prime time and I think it's because the suits are getting smaller, but it's high-definition now and bigger TV screens. You can see everything!

OBEIDALLAH: This is great! I think this is the greatest thing ever! Some people have said it is like Olympic porn. People think this is porn and they haven't watched porn. Go home and Google it. Google with porn, this is not all like porn.

Second, you know, the original Olympics, they were all naked. The ancient Olympics, I think they should go back to that. Think about the ratings. How about just the swimming, the underwater camera? How amazing would that be? Just tell is on pay-per-view.

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OBEIDALLAH: Ideas in try to help the Olympics.

LEMON: Ana has been dying to weigh in on this. Ana, you know what I'm talking about. You sit there and you are like, did I just see that? Like you're not thinking about it. You're like, h, my God. They are going to win and then when you realize what you are actually looking at, you are can kind of thrown off-guard.

NAVARRO: You know, Don, I just want to tell you something. Somebody that is incredibly engrossed in the Olympics, I highly resent your suggestion that we are watching these games for the sole purpose of watching perfectly chiseled human specimens, instead of being paying all of the attention to the athletics and prowess that these young people are showing.

So, I think you are, right now, highly underestimating the attention of America and the world over. And yes, we would all be much more interested in watching the Olympics if the athletes were wearing Burqas.

LEMON: I know you, Ana Navarro. NAVARRO: You know, let me just tell you. My question is, why haven't you shown us any video of Ryan Lochte? I like the video where the camera pans from underwater and looks at the swimmers as they are going by, and I also to know, why the male gymnasts are still wearing shirts. I don't see the necessity for so much clothes with male gymnasts.

OBEIDALLAH: If I looked like those guys, I would never wear a shirt and have baby oil on at all times and glistening in the sunlight! Are you kidding me? These guys, men and women have just flaunted. At this age, come on! When they get older it's much harder to look like that, believe me. I mean, you know, that's why I wear a shirt and a jacket.

LEMON: I have a very good friend who is a swimmer -

NAVARRO: Dean, --

LEMON: Hang on, Ana.

I have a very good friend who is a swimmer and then also there is a guy, a young man who works in the studio here is a swimmer. And he said, they would have -- both of them say they would have contest to see who could get into the smallest bikini or swimsuit because of the drag. They would have a contest for it.

OBEIDALLAH: A band-aid? What do you use? What gets smaller than what they have right now? A thong is the next one.

LEMON: Ana, I have ten seconds. I will give you the last word.

NAVARRO: Well Don, you're just lucky that Dean and I don't look like these athletes because if we did, we would be sitting on this show right wearing nothing but coconuts shells and leaves.

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LEMON: We will leave that at that.

NAVARRO: I think it is great that they are flaunting it.

LEMON: Thank you, both. Good to see you.

OBEIDALLAH: Thanks.

LEMON: Glad to be back having fun in so doing such seriousness all the time.

I'm Don Lemon in the CNN World headquarters in Atlanta. Thanks for watching. Good night.

Look at that drone! We want one!