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Gunman Arrested Near Texas A&M; Paul Ryan Speaks Out; Ryan, Religion and the White House; Multiple Shooting Near Texas A&M; House Committee Sues Attorney General Holder; Boot Camp for the Unemployable

Aired August 13, 2012 - 15:00   ET

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BROOKE BALDWIN, CNN ANCHOR: Welcome back. Top of the hour. I'm Brooke Baldwin.

Beginning with our breaking news out of College Station, Texas, gunshots were fired near the campus. We know one person is in custody and police have cordoned off some of the neighborhood just blocks away from the library, the George Bush Presidential Library.

I want to bring in Nick Valencia, who I know has been busy working the phone here, trying to figure out what happened, how injured, how many people? Just begin with what you know.

NICK VALENCIA, CNN CORRESPONDENT: We still don't know how many people have been shot. We do know among those shot are multiple police officers.

I just got off the phone with Sergeant Jason James of the Bryan Police Department. He is telling us multiple people shot. The investigation is still continuing. They don't know if there's another suspect right now. But this did just to reiterate happen off campus of Texas A&M just blocks away in fact from the university. It's scary for them there, because as we were talking in the break --

BALDWIN: Scary for people anywhere just given what happened recently over the last month. People are -- it's frightening.

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VALENCIA: Well, in October 2010, they had a similar incident there on campus where there was a gunman who was reportedly spotted on campus. That ended up being a replica weapon. But they issued a campus code maroon what we saw earlier today locking the campus down. Right now, we talked to the university spokesman as well. They don't know if anyone from the university is involved. But right now, Brooke, what we do know is multiple people shot, including civilians and police officers, that according to Jason James of the Bryan Police department.

BALDWIN: When I spoke not too long ago with the PIO of College Station P.D., she told me there could -- as any situation, you never know how many people are involved. She said one person is contained, and that means one person is somehow in custody, but there's the possibility and they are looking into it now that others could be involved.

VALENCIA: This is still a fluid situation. They don't know if there's another suspect right now. So far, as you mentioned, one person in custody blocks away from the campus. Like you said, scary situation anywhere this happens, given the recent events in this country.

BALDWIN: And still the details of the injuries, we don't know yet.

VALENCIA: We don't know the severity of the injuries. And we don't even know how many people have been shot. Just civilians and officers among those.

The first call came in at 12:12 just a couple of hours ago. According to Sergeant Jason James, the first officer that responded was listed as down. Another officer responded and took that suspect into custody. But again multiple injured in this shooting.

BALDWIN: Let us know as soon as you find out anything more here. Thank you very much, Nick Valencia. We appreciate it.

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BALDWIN: Now this. Congressman Paul Ryan has just made completed remarks at the Iowa State Fair. Keep in mind this is his first public solo appearance since becoming Mitt Romney's running mate.

Joining me now from Des Moines once again is CNN's Peter Hamby.

Peter, give me some of the backdrop. Because we played some of the sound. It was very, very noisy commotion wise. Was there some sort of scuffle? What happened?

PETER HAMBY, CNN POLITICAL CORRESPONDENT: Yes. There was a little bit of pushing and shoving going on here by the Iowa State Fair soapbox.

Lots of shouting from people in the crowd. It's sort of par for the course. Protesters, hecklers. Rick Perry and Mitt Romney and Newt Gingrich and Michele Bachmann when they were all in the Republican primary out here last year all faced that too.

Paul Ryan held his own. There were some protesters chanting about the poor. Ryan brushed them off saying you guys must not be from Iowa, which won some smiles from some locals here. He also said we're used to shouting in Wisconsin, his home state where that incredibly polarizing recall race concluded earlier this year.

He really held his own for his first solo appearance. A lot of Republicans I talked to right afterwards said they were pretty impressed and they said he's only going to get better.

BALDWIN: What exactly did he have to say and how long did he speak? HAMBY: He spoke for about 15 minutes. He showed up here early and walked through the crowd. Then he left and walked back to an SUV. He's flying out to Colorado later today.

He was -- he had a small group of people around him kind of mobbing him for autographs and pictures. He was just happy to shake hands and talk about being from the Midwest and talk about the Green Bay Packers.

BALDWIN: OK. Green Bay Packers, Peter Hamby, let's roll some sound. Here is what he really said.

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REP. PAUL RYAN (R-WI), VICE PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: President Obama has given us four years of trillion-dollar-plus deficits.

He's making matters worse and he's spending our children into a diminished future. We don't have to stand for that. We're not going to stand for that. And on November the 6th, we're going to change that.

(CHEERING AND APPLAUSE)

RYAN: We also need to have free and fair trade so we can make more things in Iowa, make more things here, sell them overseas -- 97 percent of the world's consumers are out of this country. We need to grow and make things in states like Wisconsin, Iowa and the Midwest. If we do that, we will create jobs.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BALDWIN: Vintage Paul Ryan there on the soapbox. Peter, it's sounds like the line -- let's see -- the line is we have got to stop spending money we don't have.

Does the Romney team think that that's a line that is a vote- getting line?

HAMBY: Yes. I talked to a senior Republican elected official right after the speech who was talking about whether Ryan was a better pick than Marco Rubio. He said if Romney had picked Rubio, Romney would be facing a lot of questions about immigration right now and the DREAM Act and Marco Rubio would too.

Paul Ryan will certainly face questions about his controversial plan for Medicare and Medicaid, but those at least dovetail with Romney's overall message about the economy and spending and debt and the role of the economy. So, yes, absolutely. They will dispatch Paul Ryan all over the country to talk about debt and spending and fire up the base. You got a little flavor of that just now despite the screaming going on here at the soapbox.

BALDWIN: Thank you for withstanding the screaming right along with us. Just a little shout out to you. Folks, if you're watching, Peter Hamby always breaking the news and has just fascinating political tidbits. Follow him on Twitter @PeterHambyCNN.

Mr. Hamby, we appreciate it.

Just we know we're going to hear a lot about Paul Ryan and his views on Medicare. At least one critic, that would be the president of the United States, says his plan would "end Medicare as we know it." Others speculate his plan could cause big problems for Romney specifically in Florida, home to quite an elderly population or retirees.

Ryan and Mitt Romney, they talked about the approach about Medicare just last night when they appeared on "60 Minutes." Take a look.

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MITT ROMNEY (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: -- Paul Ryan have talked about is saving Medicare, is providing people greater choice in Medicare, making sure it's there for current seniors, no changes by the way for current seniors or those nearing retirement, but looking for young people down the road saying we're going to give you a bigger choice.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BALDWIN: Bigger choice, he says.

Senior medical correspondent Elizabeth Cohen with me now.

First, let's just talk where is Medicare now and how would Paul Ryan like to change it?

ELIZABETH COHEN, CNN SENIOR MEDICAL CORRESPONDENT: Medicare hasn't really changed much in 40-something years. It's a federal program where you turn 65 and you get your health insurance through the federal government.

What Paul Ryan is saying not now, but in 2023, how about we give people a choice? You can either have the traditional federal Medicare program that we all know or we will give you a voucher? The federal government will give you a voucher and you use that voucher to go buy private health insurance. If that health insurance costs more than what the voucher is worth, you, the senior citizen, have to pay out of pocket and if it costs less, then you get the difference.

BALDWIN: One could see that increases competition and perhaps reducing the price, but there's criticism as well.

COHEN: Right. There are actually several criticisms of this.

One of them is that there's a concern that the way set it up, that the voucher doesn't keep pace with the increased price of Medicare services. That voucher will be worth less and less as the years go by. You might not be able to get much for it.

The other concern is that healthier and wealthier seniors will see this choice and say I'm going to go get private insurance and that leaves the sicker seniors in Medicare and then it becomes financially just not possible to keep Medicare going if you get the sickest people in it.

BALDWIN: Then how does Mitt Romney -- now having chosen Paul Ryan as his number two, how does he feel about the specifics of the plan?

COHEN: He was asked about that this weekend and the answer was, to use a medical term, mushy,not quite clear.

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COHEN: I'm going to give you two things he said.

First of all, he said this to Candy Crowley this weekend. Actually, this wasn't him. Let me correct that. This was a senior adviser. A senior adviser to Romney said: "It's the Romney-Ryan ticket and as president Romney will be putting forth his own budget," which makes him sound like he's his own plan and he may not go with Ryan's plan on this.

But then he also said something to the effect, he said that if Romney were president then he would sign off on this Medicare plan if it were part of the budget. It's not quite clear if he is saying I'm my own man and I don't like this or I'm my on man and I do like this and I would sign off on it.

BALDWIN: Ergo, mushy?

COHEN: Right. Ergo, mushy, exactly. Exactly. Unclear.

BALDWIN: Unclear so far. I'm sure they will work to clarify.

Elizabeth Cohen, thank you very much.

COHEN: Thanks.

BALDWIN: And some great news for you. I will be traveling to Tampa. So lovely to be headed back there where Republicans will be holding their national convention two weeks from today. That kicks off August 27. Please join me. We will be doing the show live there all week long.

Paul Ryan, we showed you he was on the soapbox at the Iowa State Fair today. He's not the only special someone in Iowa. President Obama there as well. The president has scheduled three days in the state working to energize supporters who gave him a huge, huge campaign boost back in 2008 during the primary there and again when he defeated Senator John McCain.

President Obama used the crushing drought that we have been reporting on here for weeks and weeks facing farmers that there really is a way to criticize Paul Ryan and his philosophy toward government. Here he was.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: I am told that Governor Romney's new running mate, Paul Ryan, might be around Iowa the next few days. He is one of the leaders of Congress standing in the way.

So, if you happen to see Congressman Ryan, tell him how important this farm bill is to Iowa and our rural communities. We have got to put politics aside when it comes to doing the right thing for rural America and for Iowa.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BALDWIN: The president did say he considers Paul Ryan a good man and a family man, but said he fundamentally disagrees with Ryan's vision for the country.

We do have some more news just in for you, this coming from Washington state. Here is what we know. The first three floors of the Capitol Building have been evacuated. The governor's office was among those evacuated. Some sort of suspicious box was found on the second floor of here the Washington state capitol. Bomb squad en route to figure out what's going on with the situation. Washington State Patrol, they're there. They're investigating.

And just from what we have heard there's no legislative activities scheduled there for today. We will stay on that.

Got a lot more for you on this Monday. Roll it.

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BALDWIN: They're the folks who just can't find a job, many of them struggling to survivor. We will show you this boot camp for the chronically unemployed and ask the question, does it really work?

I'm Brooke Baldwin. The news is now.

BEN WEDEMAN, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Even the simple act of crossing the street requires a strong heart and fast feet. A sniper's bullet is just a crack away.

BALDWIN: CNN takes you inside the hell that is Syria.

Plus, more than three months after a Beastie Boy died, a fascinating discovery about his will. You will hear what Adam Yauch did not want when it comes to his music.

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BALDWIN: He's been in office barely two months and Egypt's President Mohammed Morsi is orchestrating two major power plays that are really rocking his country here.

First, just to show you the map, because I'm always better visually just to explain how things are working, the one that's been hounding him for the last nine days is the region that borders Israel. It's called the Sinai Peninsula here. You see Israel, Sinai highlighted red. Egypt's forces here raided this area. This is actually just south of Al-Gura. This is according to an unidentified source -- killing five militants.

This is the government's latest move against the militants and this deadly back and forth that started two Sundays ago. That's Al- Gura. In this area here, in this area, this is the Rafah border crossing right there. This is when Egyptian forces took really a devastating blow.

A band of masked gunmen killed 16 soldiers and stealing two armored vehicles as they tried to then get into Israel. It's believed the militants are trying to undo Egypt's delicate peace with Israel. Then we have Cairo, because this is all happening. President Morsi, he is in Cairo. He's flexing his muscles in really an unprecedented way.

Morsi forced his defense minister, Field Marshal Mohamed Hussein Tantawi, into retirement, and Morsi did the same to four other top military leaders.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

MOHAMMED MORSI, EGYPTIAN PRESIDENT (through translator): The decisions I took today were not meant ever to target certain persons, nor did I intend to embarrass institutions, nor could my aim ever to be the narrow freedoms for those whom God created free.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BALDWIN: I want to go straight to Cairo to CNN's Ian Lee.

Just, Ian, put this in perspective for us. How significant, how big of a move was this for Mohammed Morsi and how are Egyptians reacting?

IAN LEE, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Brooke, Egypt is in state of shock right now.

For the last two months we have been watching this power struggle between President Mohammed Morsi and the military. Well, yesterday's decision was decisive. He eliminated his political -- or his rivals within the military while keeping the military structure intact, kind of trimming off the top.

But this move gives President Mohammed Morsi all the cards. Other than having presidential powers, obviously, he now has legislative powers. He also has powers or a lot of influence over the writing of the new Constitution.

As one prominent political figure in Egypt says, he has superpowers. Well, with superpowers comes super-responsibility. Anything that goes right or goes wrong now will fall on his head. He cannot hide behind the military anymore.

And after this decision was made, the Muslim Brotherhood wanted to show their support for this decision. They called their supporters out into the streets out to demonstrate to show that they support this decision.

But there's also an aspect of Egyptian society that's very much afraid of what's going on. You have a president, Mohammed Morsi, from the Muslim Brotherhood with all the power. They are afraid that he's going to try to consolidate power for the Muslim Brotherhood to keep them in charge for the years to come.

But if we throw away all that drama and look at yesterday's decision, it was historical because, for Egypt, for the first time for the country's history, you have a civilian elected leader who doesn't have to answer to the military. That was a big move in Egypt.

BALDWIN: Ian, if it's historic for Egypt, though, I have to ask, what's the response from the military, this forced retirement?

LEE: So far, the military hasn't really given us a response. They have been tight-lipped. That's kind of what we tend to see with the military and this lets us believe they're going to go along with it.

What the prime minister said to us yesterday was that the military was advised about this, albeit what we're also hearing is that Field Marshal Tantawi didn't know this was going on. What we're hearing is, this went on behind his back.

But if you remember the revolution last year in Egypt, we didn't know what the military was going to do until we saw tanks rolling down the street. We're not going to probably get any forewarning of what they have to plan, to come, if they have anything planned.

BALDWIN: OK. Ian Lee for us in Cairo, Ian, thank you.

A man known as Rambo is the most wanted fugitive in a country that rarely sees violent crimes, and now they are pulling out all the stops to track him down.

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BALDWIN: A skilled marksman and wilderness survival expert is terrorizing the Chinese city of Chongqing. He's being called the Chinese Rambo. And police say the 42-year-old suspect has been evading authorities all the way back from 2004.

But after a deadly bank robbery over the weekend, police and soldiers armed with rifles they're now scouring this mountainside hunting for an elusive killer.

Steve Jiang has the story.

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STEVEN JIANG, CNN CORRESPONDENT: A massive manhunt in southwestern China continues with thousands of policemen and soldiers in search of the nation's most wanted man.

Wearing full combat gear, they are combing a mountain outside the city of Chongqing, with all eyes trained on one potential target, Zhou Kehua, a 42-year-old high school drop out with at least nine deaths across China linked to him. Officials say Zhou's latest crime took place in Chongqing last Friday, when he shot and killed a woman point- blank outside a bank before taking off with her bag containing nearly $40,000 of cash.

Later, he shot and killed again, this time a railway policeman who stopped and questioned him. Authorities say Zhou's crime spree started in 2004. He has mostly killed for money. But his victims also included a soldier and now a cop.

In China, where private ownership of guns is strictly forbidden, and violent crimes are still relatively rare, the whole nation is gripped by the latest news. Even here in Beijing, some 1,500 kilometers away from the crime scene, people are feeling the impact.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE (through translator): Of course I'm scared. He's such a seasoned criminal. And we have to be on high alert.

JIANG: Police say Zhou is 1.67 meters tall. That's about 5'6'', and has a medium to slim build. State media has described as quiet and well-behaved while growing up in a farming household. But he's now and armed and dangerous with seemingly remarkable evasion and outdoor survival skills.

Already, some people are calling him the Chinese Rambo, but with this real-life drama unfolding in real time, people are expressing their outrage over his brutality and also frustration over the authorities' ability to capture him so far.

Steven Jiang, CNN, Beijing.

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BALDWIN: It's the first time in history a Protestant will not appear on one of the presidential tickets. This is very significant. We are going to break that down for you next.

Plus, we are monitoring that breaking news out of Texas. Texas A&M, multiple people have been shot, including police officers, near the campus of Texas A&M University.

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BALDWIN: Now time to talk a little politics and religion here.

The Romney-Ryan campaign represents something we have actually never seen before. You have a Mormon and a Catholic together on the same ticket. And since Vice President Joe Biden is also a Catholic, that means President Obama is the only Protestant on the ballot for either party.

I want to talk about this with Jeff Pugh. He's an author and professor of religious studies at Elon University in North Carolina.

Jeff, welcome to you.

Just first things firsts. Is this really that big of a deal the fact that we only have one Protestant here in the race for the White House?

JEFF PUGH, ELON UNIVERSITY: It's probably not that big of a deal, actually.

I think what's a bigger deal is the fact that we have two communities represented in both the Mormon and the Catholic community who had previously been seen as marginalized communities in the American public and now they stand at the top of the Republican ticket.

BALDWIN: Paul Ryan has said his Catholic beliefs really infused his big-budget ideas.

But the Conference of Bishops has very much so criticized his budget. I have interviewed, if you will, one of the lead nuns. Remember the nuns on the bus tour? I know she told me she certainly didn't like it. She is still hoping for a meeting with Congressman Ryan.

One of the nuns is Sister Simone Campbell. And she said this about Paul Ryan. I'm quoting her -- quote -- "He is a faithful Catholic, but he is misguided."

What will Paul Ryan make -- will he make a big difference when it comes to Catholic support for Mitt Romney, you think?

PUGH: Well, it's an interesting dynamic in this election because with the two vice presidential candidates, you have different visions of Catholicism being represented. You have Joe Biden, on the one hand, the sort of ethnic neighborhood, working-class Catholic background. You have Mr. Ryan on the other hand, who represents a sort of a different Catholic background.

So in a sense, one of the most interesting dynamics that can come out of this particular election will be an accountability moment for the religious communities that are involved. When the Catholics start to define themselves, are they going to define themselves more in terms of pro-life, contraception? Will they define themselves more in terms of social witness, social gospel?

So you have, in some senses, competing visions that actually exist within that large, diverse tent of Catholicism that will be an interesting conversation as we go forward. Whose vision of Catholicism will be the one that will be most attractive to the American people?

BALDWIN: That's interesting. Among Catholics, that's something to watch for, watch to be emerging. And we also have Mitt Romney -- of all the ads we talked about here last week, Mitt Romney, the campaign -- they ran this ad last week, declaring that President Obama has waged a war on religion.

Here's part of that.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: President Obama used his health care plan to declare war on religion, forcing religious institutions to go against their faith. Mitt Romney believes that's wrong. When religious freedom is threatened, who do you want to stand with?

MITT ROMNEY, GOP PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I'm Mitt Romney, and I approved this message.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BALDWIN: Here's what I wanted to know from you. Here we are, we're in August, what, three months out. What kind of sign is it that Mitt Romney is still trying to appeal to the religious base?

PUGH: Well, I think it's an interesting move to sort of make this decision to go after a religious war rhetoric. It's unfortunate -- the war rhetoric is unfortunate altogether. But the fact of the matter is, is that from a religious community standpoint, the community of Mormonism had always been portrayed by the dominant religious community of Protestantism and evangelical Protestantism as "the other," as the stranger, as the one that was being waged war against.

And now Mr. Romney is sort of ironically turning that on its head and waging war, from his perspective, against the Protestant establishment, if you will, represented by Mr. Obama in the White House. So it's an interesting move to make this shift.

BALDWIN: Do you think, though -- quickly -- bringing all these sort of religions or religious differences together, that ideology in the case of Mitt Romney -- ideology is trumping theology?

PUGH: I would absolutely say that that's the case. But I think that's the case in politics altogether. It's very seldom the case that theology actually centers and guides ideology in the political order as much as we think.

So while I've read Mr. Ryan's statements on the fact that Catholic social teaching and Catholic doctrine guides his particular budgetary processes and stuff, I think that's going to be the issue as we go forward is, what vision of Catholicism, in fact, does undergird or guide his budgetary process, the one that the United States Conference of Catholics -- of Bishops had some questions about and said disproportionately disfavor the poor?

BALDWIN: Jeff Pugh, Elon University, thanks for being with me. Appreciate it.

PUGH: Thank you so much.

BALDWIN: We are getting some new information here with regard to the multiple shots fired, several injuries here, Texas A&M University, just off campus, new information. We got that for you after the break.

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ANNOUNCER: This is CNN breaking news.

BALDWIN: I want to stay on the breaking news. We've been covering this shooting just off of the Texas A&M campus at College Station in Texas.

I want to bring back in Nick Valencia. I know that there's a press conference under way right now, and the news is that one of police officers has died.

VALENCIA: We got a phone (ph) the Bryan (ph) Police Department, who's also involved in this investigation. They were telling us this is -- there's a potential that this is an eviction gone wrong. Initially, the constables were involved, probably serving an eviction notice there to the suspect at his home.

What we do know is that this disturbance wasn't initially a shooting scene. But they said to me they weren't responding to a shooting, but it turned into on. So right now, what we know, the latest information, Brooke, from that press conference under way, that one officer has been shot and killed, multiple others injured, including civilians.

BALDWIN: Yes, just getting information in my ear from my executive producer. So this one officer -- according to College Station police in this news conference that's under way, one officer shot at the scene, taken to the hospital, died at the hospital, two others hurt. Again, the extent of the injuries we do not know. But -- but horrible. One police officer is dead.

VALENCIA: Yes, that initial 911 call being called in as shots fired -- shots fired. So that officer was already on the scene when this -- when the first 911 call came in, again, not responding to a shooting scene, active shooting scene, but it did turn into one, Brooke.

BALDWIN: And again, police saying this one suspect has been apprehended. Nick Valencia, let us know if you learn anything else.

VALENCIA: Will do.

BALDWIN: Appreciate it very much.

Tracking weapons across the border. It's a program that's known as Fast and Furious, and now one Congressional committee is filing a lawsuit against Attorney General Eric Holder.

But first: Each and every week on "THE NEXT LIST," Dr. Sanjay Gupta introduces us to people changing the world. So this week, he focuses on one musician who's bringing the ukelele back on stage.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

JAKE SHIMABUKURO, UKELELE PLAYER: My name is Jake Shimabukuro. I'm a ukelele player -- Shimabukuro.

yes, I've had -- I've had moments where -- where, you know, the -- the emcee of the show -- we'll be backstage, and just, you know, seconds before he's about to go on and introduce me, he'll be, like, OK, Jake, I'm sorry. One more time. How do you say your last name? And so I'm, like, Shimabukuro. And (INAUDIBLE) like, Shimabukuro, Shimabukuro, Shimabukuro. All right, I got it. OK.

And then they'll go out there -- Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome Jack (SIC) Shimabukuro!

(LAUGHTER)

SHIMABUKURO: And they'll be smiling. They'll be, Yes! They'll come off stage -- I got it! I got it!

(END VIDEOTAPE)

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BALDWIN: The failed Fast and Furious weapons crackdown is now headed to court. The House Oversight Committee filed a contempt lawsuit against Attorney General Eric Holder today. House lawmakers -- they cited Holder for contempt of Congress just last month. And this lawsuit seeks to force the Department of Justice to produce specific documents related to Fast and Furious.

The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms and Explosives program lost track of more than 1,000 guns. Two of them turned up at the scene of the 2010 killing of U.S. border control agent Brian Terry.

Defense attorney Joey Jackson on the case with us today. And just about the civil suit -- what kind of implications are there against the attorney general?

JOEY JACKSON, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Yes, well, what happens is, is that the Republicans in Congress want this information. They want to get at how the killing occurred, what happened, could it have been prevented, should it have been done in the first place.

So there's really disputes on both sides as to whether this is pure politics. Why? You have the Republicans saying that, You know what? This is something that we need. You have the Democrats saying that this is just done to embarrass the president.

But ultimately, at the end of the day, Brooke, what they're attempting to do is to secure documents to see whether or not this program was appropriate, it was adequate, how it was structured. And the president says no. Why? Executive privilege. BALDWIN: Right. You point out Republicans want the information. We heard from a top Democrat in the House of Representatives, Nancy Pelosi, today, basically -- and I'm paraphrasing her -- you know, saying that this is a partisan lawsuit. It's a waste of resources, waste of taxpayer dollars. So that's that side of the thing.

I want to move on here to the second case, though, because this has to do with the Beastie Boys and the Beastie Boy who recently passed away, Adam Yawk (ph). His will prohibits the use of his music in commercials. He passed away of in May cancer. But so he was one of -- he was one of three. There are three Beastie Boys. So can this provision of Yawk's will be upheld?

JACKSON: It's not going to stand, Brooke, and here's why. There's a distinction in the law between publicity rights on the one hand and copyright on another. Publicity rights, you can control your name, your image, your likeness. No problem. But when you have a copyright in the, you know, instance where you're a musician, for example, you're a singer -- maybe it is that you sing the song but you didn't write it. Maybe it is that you wrote the song, but you didn't have anything to do with the music.

And so where there's other and multiple participants, if they want to go forward and they want to advertise and they want to make money and you don't, what do you do? So it's not going to be very -- it's not going to be something that he's going to be able to enforce.

And ultimately, what'll happen is, is that in the event people want to use this -- because there's also, Brooke, compulsory music rights in the music world -- that's why you hear these remakes, right, that you get from time to time --

BALDWIN: Sure.

JACKSON: -- with other music, it'll move forward. And there's very little, I think, that his heirs or the estate, the executor, his wife, will be able to do about it.

BALDWIN: Interesting. Joey Jackson on the case -- Joey, thank you. Good to see you.

JACKSON: Pleasure, Brooke. Good to see you.

BALDWIN: We are getting more information here on that shooting at Texas A&M. We now know an officer has died. That was according to College Station police. We are now getting word the suspect is also dead. More on that in a moment.

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ANNOUNCER: This is CNN breaking news.

BALDWIN: More on the story, the shooting just off the campus of Texas A&M University. Nick Valencia, tell me again what you've learned. VALENCIA: Sure. We've been making calls on this. This press conference was just held a little while ago, under way. We now have an identity of the constable that was shot, listed as Bryan Bachmann (ph), now deceased. We also have three other officers that were shot, one shot in the leg, apparently, two other officers with non-life- threatening injuries. You're looking at tape-turn (ph) aerials from our affiliate KTRK there in College Station, Texas --

BALDWIN: So this is a neighborhood?

VALENCIA: This is a neighborhood. This is just a couple blocks away from Texas A&M University, also home to George W. Bush library.

BALDWIN: Right.

VALENCIA: This, of course, is very active area. This campus is now getting back under way, people starting to go back to school. Again, though, we have one identity to the constable shot, Bryan Bachmann, now deceased. Three other officers in -- with non-life- threatening injuries, one female civilian now in surgery, as well.

BALDWIN: So were there other civilians --

VALENCIA: There was. We have one male civilian killed. There's some discrepancy right now. We don't know if that's the suspect or not, but we do know one civilian killed. That's in addition to the constable that was shot.

Apparently, the constable was maybe serving an eviction notice. We heard that earlier from the Bryan Police Department. When officers responded, they saw him down in the front yard, exchanged gunfire with that suspect.

We do know, Brooke, that the suspect was shot at the scene. We don't know his status right now, but we do know one civilian killed also in addition to the constable.

BALDWIN: Two dead, multiple injuries. Nick Valencia, thank you.

VALENCIA: We'll stay on it.

BALDWIN: Thank you very much.

Also, we've just learned this. CNN has now confirmed that Helen Gurley Brown, former editor-in-chief of "Cosmopolitan" magazine, passed away this morning. The CEO of Hearst Corporation has said, quote, "She lived every day of her life to the fullest and will always be remembered as the quintessential Cosmo girl. She will be greatly missed," end quote. Helen Gurley Brown, 90 years old.

And it's a new reality show about employing the unemployable, from ex-cons to homeless. We are taking you inside what's called a jobless boot camp. And we'll talk to the man in charge of helping the unemployable become employed.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK) BALDWIN: We are just a couple minutes away from this man at the helm of "THE SITUATION ROOM," Mr. Wolf Blitzer. Wolf, nice to see you. And what --

WOLF BLITZER, HOST, "THE SITUATION ROOM": Nice to see you.

BALDWIN: What a 48 hours it's been, huh?

BLITZER: Since late Friday night. All of a sudden, we got word the announcement was going to be made Saturday morning. We were on the air most of Saturday, obviously.

You know, it's generating a huge, huge reaction out there. Some think it's good for the Romney campaign, others say not so good. We're going in depth on all of this.

We're going to have lots of good, strong analysts and our reporters. Among our guests, Debbie Wasserman Schultz. She's the chair of the Democratic National Committee, the congresswoman from Florida. She's obviously a Barack Obama supporter. Also the former governor of New Hampshire, John Sununu. He's a major supporter of Mitt Romney. He's going to be joining us.

They strongly disagree on this. We're going to go in depth on the announcement that Paul Ryan is the vice presidential candidate, together with Mitt Romney.

We're also dealing with other issues, Brooke, as well, including some major developments unfolding in the Middle East right now. Not only Syria and Egypt, but potentially Iran. If you've been following the Israeli media, there's all sorts of speculation in there now that the Israelis are going to attack the Iranian nuclear facilities before the elections on November 6th.

I've invited the Israeli ambassador to the United States, Michael Oren, to come into "THE SITUATION ROOM." He'll be joining us live. We'll talk about all of these reports in Israel, including from some of Israel's most established, prominent journalists. They're predicting an Israeli strike before -- before the U.S. election. What would the impact of that be? We're going in depth on that, as well.

BALDWIN: Wolf, thank you. We'll see you in five minutes from now --

BLITZER: Thank you.

BALDWIN: -- on "THE SITUATION ROOM."

But tonight, the Sundance channel starts to "Get to Work." That's the name of this new reality show where the stars are not just the unemployed, they are unemployable. I'm talking about ex-cons, ex- addicts, homeless.

They go through this month-long boot camp. It's called the Strive (ph) program, a workforce training program that existed way before these cameras started rolling. One of the first challenges of Strive -- it's called the break test. Students who are late getting back from a break have to give up something of value.

Watch this.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Time is money.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Where the students are in their lives right now, losing $2 or $3 out of their pocket is real pain.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Oh, class ring.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (INAUDIBLE) trail mix. Any trail mix?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No. I don't have trail mix. (INAUDIBLE) want those shoes.

(CROSSTALK)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I don't have no socks on. No high socks, I meant.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Donald, see you next class.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: All right (EXPLETIVE DELETED)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: All right, man.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: All right!

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (INAUDIBLE) you can get out.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BALDWIN: Wow! Joining me, the man we just saw, the object of that flare-up, Mr. Rob Smith. He is also known as "the enforcer" on the show.

Rob, tough. It's a tough show. I watched the preview. There are men. There are women. There's cursing. There's yelling. You talk about tough love. How effective is that?

BOB SMITH, LEAD JOB TRAINER, "GET TO WORK": Well, you know, we've been pretty effective over the years. You know, this is a program that, you know, clients are coming in with considerable barriers. Seventy percent of our clients go into employment -- those who complete go into employment and maintain their jobs for a minimum of two years. So it's pretty effective.

BALDWIN: And again, when we say this is for the chronically unemployed -- again, be specific. Who exactly are we talking about? SMITH: Well, who we're not talking about are individuals that have, you know, found themselves unemployed because their company has moved. These are people that have been marginally outside, you know, that employment arena for years, you know, clients that -- probably, you know, generational unemployment, have watched their mothers and fathers actually, you know, never go to work, individuals coming out of incarceration.

You know, we also work with a very young population that we're trying to kind of change that behavior early on, so that, you know, we can kind of break that cycle. But these are individuals that, you know, are outside of the -- have been outside the employment arena for a number of years because of a number of reasons.

BALDWIN: And these are folks, you mention, coming out of incarceration. Some of them have to be there. The court said, You have to go to Second Chance. And so clearly, not all of them are thrilled to meet you, Rob.

But in terms of what you have really been able to have done, the mark you've left on some of these people -- I was reading about you guys, that you say 50,000 people graduated from Strive. But if we're talking about chronically unemployed people, how many come back and back again?

SMITH: Well, you know, we have a two-year follow-up that we do with the clients and we have a lifetime service agreement that we have with the clients. So even if an individual finds himself unemployed, you know, after five years -- and just the other day, I did have a client come in that it's been 10 years.

BALDWIN: Wow.

SMITH: And they found themselves as part of the new unemployment, you know, population where their job had moved and they downsized, and they came back in because they knew the value of the services. So we were happy to serve them.

BALDWIN: So I'm also just curious because we were talking in the commercial -- you said Second Chance has been around for five years. And I was curious, tell -- tell all of us, how have the cameras changed the dynamic of the boot camp? In 30 seconds.

SMITH: Well, Second Chance has actually been around for about 20 years now. I've been here for five.

BALDWIN: You have.

SMITH: And the cameras -- yes, I've been in San Diego now for five years now. And the cameras have -- you know, it shined a light on a subject, you know, for a population that isn't the most attractive. When you hear about unemployment today, you think about those individuals whose jobs are, you know, relocated or they've downsized. You know, the individuals we work with -- you know, they've been in the double digits in terms of unemployment for a number of years. So -- BALDWIN: Incredible. Unfortunately, I have to --

SMITH: -- you know, that's the what the cameras --

BALDWIN: -- cut you off. Have to cut you off. But I just want to let everyone know "Get to Work" premiers tonight, 10:30 PM on the Sundance channel. Rob Smith, thank you. Best of luck to you.

And now to Wolf Blitzer. "THE SITUATION ROOM" begins now.