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Massive Manhunt for Bombing Suspect

Aired April 19, 2013 - 09:00   ET


JULIETTE KAYYEM, BOSTON GLOBE COLUMNIST: That kills thousands and thousands of people. Because of the successes of our counterterrorism effort. I have to say it this way, but it's more like whack-a-mole now. That there are individuals who self-radicalized, who do all sorts of things in the name of some belief that they have. They're harder to find. The good news is they're easier to catch after something is done and their violence is much less than 9/11.

JAKE TAPPER, CNN ANCHOR: And this is what we've seen in the threats that have emerged, whether it's Nidal Hassan, who self-radicalized.

KAYYEM: Right. Right.

TAPPER: And was the Ft. Hood shooter, killed around a dozen soldiers. We've seen attempts, Faisal -- the would-be failed Times Square bomber.

KAYYEM: Right.

TAPPER: Abdulmutallab, the would-be shoe bomber, or was he the underwear bomber? I'm sorry, the would-be underwear bomber who also failed. Not lone wolves exactly. Individuals who are motivated who reach out, who get involved, who get some sort of instruction, but don't really have a huge network of support and, for instance, these two brothers who we know from law enforcement officials, they stuck around, they hung around, they lingered. They were easily found afterwards. It doesn't seem like they were -- they certainly had expertise to be -- you know, to be sociopaths, they can be terrorists and to be horrible individuals, but they didn't -- they didn't have the wherewithal necessarily to get away.

KAYYEM: Right. And those -- that kind of terrorism can occur whether it's international or domestic, Tim McVeigh had one or two cohorts and not much else. And I know that's hard for people to think as we do think about things as big conspiracies. But that sometimes doesn't happen.

JOHN BERMAN, CNN ANCHOR: I understand our counterterrorism efforts are always developing. It's a constant evolution and tactics and strategy in this case.

KAYYEM: Right.

BERMAN: Assuming this went down as we now believe it did, with these two brothers either acting alone or in concert with someone else, what adjustments do you think the law enforcement community, the counterterrorism community will need to make?

KAYYEM: Well, I think, you know, one thing is also for the American public to accept that we are a big society with lots of mobility and lots of people coming in and out. There is going to be some level of risk for that. And so we saw that on Monday. But we still had the Boston marathon. So it begins with our expectations of what kind of safety we have.

There is going to be -- well, we don't know the facts about them. So I will reserve judgment right now. But depending on where they're from, how they got here, what sort of visas. Those will all be examined. And whether there was an intel stream before him.

I believe, you know, Ed Davis and others when they say there was no hint of this before. And that is the challenge with these sort of localized terrorists and criminals, is they really don't leave a trail. Unlike 9/11 where there was a lot of activity beforehand. So that's just the -- that's the consequence of breaking down a formal terrorist organization, is it becomes harder to find, but it's not as dangerous as it once was.

BERMAN: Let's bring people back up to speed about exactly what's happening right now in the city of Watertown right now. That city essentially shut down completely. Cars not being allowed in and out of the town. An enormous law enforcement presence on the street. You're looking at Humvees right there driving down the street. It is this Watertown, Massachusetts.

Our Deb Freyerick has been on the ground there. She has seen an enormous police presence, a sudden uptick in concern right there. A heightened level of security to be sure in that area. Beyond Watertown, the city of Boston, the towns near here. Everyone has been told to stay home. Stay home. Businesses have been told not to open. The subways not running right now. Buses not running, taxis not picking up passengers, trains not coming in and out.

You're looking at live pictures again above Watertown right now where law enforcement helicopters are surrounding the area right now. Looking down on some kind of situation that's been happening there.

This is the culmination of what has been now, I suppose, 14 hours of activity last night. They released the pictures of the two suspects from the finish line of the Boston marathon shootings -- bombings, rather, and then there was this police chase, a manhunt overnight, one of the brothers was shot, he later died. He was killed, I should say. They're not sure whether it's gun shots or explosives.

The other brother, as you can see, the one on the right, the one in the white hat, he is on the run right now. And there is a manhunt under way with some 9,000 plus law enforcement personnel searching for him.

Again, Boston essentially shut down, Watertown, the surrounding areas, essentially shutdown, as they search for this young man. Nineteen- year-old from Chechnya. We talked to a high school classmate of his a short time ago, who said he was a normal kid. Would have never suspected that a kid like this would be capable of something like this. In fact, he said he assume that he must have been influenced by someone else to perform such an action.

And Juliette Kayyem, still with me right here. And again these brothers have been here for some number of years, at least a couple of years we've been told.

KAYYEM: Right.

BERMAN: Does that make it more or less likely that they were influenced or had direct contact from abroad?

KAYYEM: You just can't know at this stage. I mean it just really depends on why they did this and what their motivation was. They could have been having contact -- we'll look at the travel records, we'll see, you know, where -- the government will see where they have been. But they could have been here, self-radicalized for whatever reason, been sociopaths and just happened to be Chechnyan, right, that happens, and attack the -- the Boston marathon.

I think it really is too easy -- too early to tell. What the viewers need to know is that the fact that they're from Chechnya is not a motivation. It is merely a fact about their biography right now.

BERMAN: And they also need to know the scope of the terror attacks that began on Monday, only growing. There were three killed on Monday, more than 170 injured. Overnight, one more person killed. Another victim. An MIT campus police officer and MIT -- a transit officer was wounded in this police chase as well.

Very dramatic turned of events overnight, that is still developing as we said at the very moment.

Can I get a sense of where we're headed?

Our continuing coverage here of these developments as they go on here in Boston and the surrounding area continues right here on CNN with Chris Cuomo. Stay with us.

CHRIS CUOMO, CNN ANCHOR: All right. Jake and I are here monitoring the situation. Obviously this is part of CNN's continuing coverage. If you're just tuning in right now, there's been a major development in the investigation here. Local police and federal authorities working in this combined effort, believe that they are chasing one of two suspects responsible for the attacks here at the Boston marathon.

The first suspect was killed as a result of a car chase, he was a 26- year-old. His brother is now a 19-year-old. They are chasing him through parts of Boston. There's a city wide alert.

What we're understanding is this. The two reasons for this. One, urban environments are used to the advantage of the suspect. So the less options they have to run around, the better it is and also for public safety. Also, during the initial car chase, the brothers showed an ability to bring in a hostage and that's an issue also. Now we're going to take a look at some live picture right now? What we have going on? Tell me again, control room? What do you want me to go to?

OK, Elizabeth Cohen reports that the FBI is coming out of the suspect's home right now. Contextually we've got to figure out what that means so let's get Elizabeth in.

Elizabeth, can you hear me? What's going on now?

ELIZABETH COHEN, CNN SENIOR MEDICAL CORRESPONDENT: I sure can hear you. About a dozen FBI agents with assault rifles just came out of 410 Norfolk Street, that's the address of the man who they are looking for. They had assault rifles. They did not have anyone with them. They have now widened this crime scene area, it was -- it was a lot smaller just literally five minutes ago. They have now pushed back all the media, pushed back all the residents and really about a half an hour or so ago, they evacuated the residents, some of them coming out in their pajamas. But again about a dozen FBI agents with assault rifles just came out of 410 Norfolk Street which is where the suspect lived. Back to you.

CUOMO: OK. All right. Elizabeth, please -- let us know. Stay in the loop with us. When you see activity, something to keep in mind at home. All right?

There's a lot of excitement when something like this is going on. There's a lot of random activity. There is no way to know what is important and what is not. The nature of continuous coverage is we will tell you what we're learning as we learn it. But do not read into the possibilities of the situation. You heard Juliette earlier saying the ethnicity of these two suspects is irrelevant at this time. That's what we're also hearing from the Joint Terrorism Task Force.

So here's what we know. It's a fluid situation. They're pursuing people. One suspect was killed by authorities in a hot pursuit situation, I know you've been covering this all morning, Jake, and hearing all these details as they come through, my understanding is that a concern for the safety now, they'd asked for armor, they're asking for certain preventative measures whenever they think they're close to the second suspect is because of what they learned during the hot pursuit. That they had explosives on them, that they were able to use and so they're willing that there may be more.


TAPPER: That's right. Well, it all started at 10:20 when there was a situation at the campus of MIT, the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, and a campus police officer was killed by these two suspects. These two brothers. One 19 years old. One 26. There was a carjacking, they stole a car. That individual whose car it was, was kept with them. He miraculously was let free. Apparently according to law enforcement sources he -- they identified themselves as the Boston marathon bombers in the car. That man escaped.

But in the ensuing police pursuit of these two individuals, there was a shoot-out. The older brother, who was 26 years old, was mortally wounded, he was taken to Beth Israel Hospital. There he was pronounced dead. The doctors there said that he had wounds both from burns, from explosives and also bullet wounds. They wouldn't say which were the ones that were fatal. Either one of them could be fatal.

CUOMO: And also key distinction. They don't know when he got the burns.

TAPPER: Right.

CUOMO: They don't know if it was from the altercation with police or because he was, in fact, connected to the attack at the marathon.

TAPPER: Right. And we have also heard that in the pursuit of these brothers, the younger brother, the 19-year-old, ran over his older brother, according to one source. And we should caution everybody this is all early developing information as we've learned. Often the first stories that we hear, even from law enforcement, are not necessary the accurate ones. But we have heard that he was run over. The older brother was run over by his younger brother. In any case he is dead. The younger brother, Dzhokhar, 19 years old, he and his older brother, both from Chechnya. The 19-year-old is on the loose.

CUOMO: Right. And right now we have Deb Feyerick because she's monitoring one area of the police activity.

Deb, you say you have an update. What to you have?

DEBORAH FEYERICK, CNN NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Yes, we do. A number of the vehicles just pulled out. We hear one of the canine dogs barking. The dogs usually alert when there is the presence of explosives. And look, we know that both of these individuals have explosives. One of them, the older one, the 26-year-old, he had explosives on him. We are told that those explosives did detonate. And that's potentially likely what killed him.

You reported that he was run over by a car possibly. But we are told absolutely that there was explosion and that he was wearing those explosives on him. Investigators did find the presence of a trigger. A trigger connected to those explosives when they ripped the clothing off. So that is --


TAPPER: Going to a press conference --

CUOMO: We're going to go right now.

TAPPER: We're just going to cut away from Deb. We're going to go away to a press conference where the uncle of these two boys, the 19- year-old and the 26-year-old, is now speaking.


RUSLAN TSARNI, UNCLE OF BOMBING SUSPECTS: This is horrible incident. UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Where are the boys from? Where did they grow up?

TSARNI: They grew up in Kyrgyzstan.



UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: How long have they been in the United States?

TSARNI: In the United States, I think seven years or eight years. I don't remember. I am 10 years here. I think I'm 10 years here. And they came after me. After two years.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: What were the boys doing in Boston? What did they do for a living?

TSARNI: My -- yesterday he called me and said, 1:00 p.m. I (INAUDIBLE) didn't know. Because I'm talking from morning for all of this. Not talking a long time ago, maybe two years, three years. We got some problem between family. And yesterday he called me and said, forgive him, so was it like this, we were not talking together, and each other and to forgive me, and we will talk today. From now and we will be together ever.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Is this the nephew that was shot back in Boston.

TSARNI: Yes. That what told me, who they shot him.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: And this was told to you by your sister-in- law?

TSARNI: Yes. When they told me, I go here and they asked, did you hear anything what they are saying? She was crying and said that Tamerlan was killed.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: And when did you learn of this?


UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: When did you learn that your nephew has been shot?

TSARNI: That's what the -- maybe I don't know. Maybe one hour ago I'm talking to this phone with everybody.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It's hard for you.

TSARNI: Yes, I'm sorry, too, if he did this. I'm sorry, too. It's so crazy. It's not possible. I can't believe it. When I heard this on TV news, I was thinking how can it be like this? It's crazy. It's unbelievable.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: And where does your other brother live? TSARNI: That's what I'm feeling. Let's go with me. You want to go there?


TSARNI: Drive after me and you will see it.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Can you wait just a minute and I'll get my notepad so I can write down the address so we could go to him?

TSARNI: Yes. OK. Yes. Sure. 5 Brock Court, (INAUDIBLE) Village 20886. Right now I'm going there.



UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We're very sorry.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We have been listening there out of Maryland where another uncle --


CUOMO: OK. So we're listening to a press conference right now, a man who is said to be the uncle of the suspects. His name is Ruslan Tsarni?

TAPPER: Ruslan Tsarni. The uncle of the Tsarnaev brothers. The Tsarnaev, as we know, are the two suspects in the Boston marathon terrorist attack. So the older one, 26-year-old Tamerlan, is dead. He was killed in a shoot-out with police this morning. The younger one who's 19, Dzhokhar, is still wanted and for -- the -- because he is still wanted there is an intense manhunt going on here in Boston.

The city is basically locked down. People are being told to stay in their homes. Cabs have been canceled, public transportation has been canceled, Amtrak has been canceled. Some of the air space over the city of Boston has shut down.

There's an intense manhunt for this 19-year-old, who is a suspect in the Boston marathon terrorist attack.

CUOMO: Now, a big part for the reason of the lockdown, is that they believe the brothers had explosives with them and they're worried about there being more casualties. The other is to not give opportunities for evasion by taking hostages. However, something is very important, the uncle just said.

I believe, it was a little difficult to understand him, but that he said that he had spoken to one of his nephews and that they had asked him for forgiveness. He was upset and said this is an unforgivable act. But it's a little bit more connection between these suspects and believed by authorities, which is that they are other people they are looking for. BURNETT: And it does also raise the question -- you know, we've been talking, there's a conspiracy network, is there some sort of a terrorism cell. When you these two brothers, first of all, they related and one of their calls would have been to their uncle. So, at least at this point, you know, he says he was horrified by this.

It may, who knows, indicate that they didn't have a lot of other coordination, in addition to what we were talking about, which is last night, when they were desperate, they were trying to get money.

CUOMO: Right.

BURNETT: They didn't seem to have access to that. So, it would at least from these very basic things that we're emphasizing again and again and again, we don't know. We are finding out minute by minty as things change.

CUOMO: Especially, the fact of, if you have a plan, you have a plan, it certainly doesn't involve robbing a convenience store. It certainly involves an escape if there is a wider network of support.

But, again, plans change. Maybe they weren't expected to be identified. All we know is that the authorities believe they have killed one of their main suspects from the photos and videos they sent out yesterday and the second one, is someone that they are quickly pursuing right now, has been able to evade them, and they are worried he may have explosive devices on him and they allow for a slowdown and they rate of pursuit.

TAPPER: If we can show the picture of a wanted man right now, Dzhokhar. We have been looking lots of at pictures of both, Tamerlan and Dzhokhar. Tamerlan now dead, 26 years old.

This is Dzhokhar, 19-year-old Dzhokhar Tsarnaev. And he is wanted. He is the reason why the city of Boston is lockdown right now, why there is no public transportation.

So, if you see this individual, you should notify authorities as soon as possible. We were told starting early this morning, that there was a lockdown in Watertown, which is roughly eight miles outside of Boston. Then, that was soon expanded to some of the surrounding areas, Waltham, Cambridge, other places outside.


TAPPER: And I'm sorry, Chris. You have --

CUOMO: Two things. First of all, the reason we're not showing live picture of the pursuit, we've been asked by authorities not to. Not to give tactical locations, because the suspect or someone helping him can be seeing that same footage. We don't want to compromise that.

Second of all, we want to go to Eric Machado.

Eric, do I have you? Eric, can you hear me? All right. We're trying to get a man named Eric Machado on the phone because he is a friend of the suspect.

TAPPER: We interviewed him earlier today.

CUOMO: OK. Do we have him back on the phone now? Is Eric there yet


ERIC MACHADO, FRIEND (via telephone): Yes.

CUOMO: All right. Eric, can you hear me?

MATADO: Yes, I can.

CUOMO: OK, obviously the big question is whether or not your friend is who authorities believe him to be? Was there anything about him? I know a lot of this you have answered already, but just to bring current viewers up to date.

Is there anything you can tell us about your friend that would have indicated this type of darkness, this type of other activity?

MACHADO: Not that I can think of, no. I mean, throughout high school, he was active in sport activities, wrestling, a good friend of ours, he just -- partying, you know, things of that nature. Things that kids do, drinking and things.

And at those moments, just filled with joy and happiness, so I mean, no, I can't say there was anything that led me to believe he was -- could -- could do these things, no, I don't think so.

TAPPER: Were you in contact with him on the day of the marathon, days before? When is the last time you talked to him?

MACHADO: Last time I talked to him, I mean, probably somewhere in the time frame of, you know, a year or two ago. When he was more or less in contact with friends of mine in my circle, and he actually came to New York with a couple friends of ours to go visit some other friends up at university.

So, I mean, he was always around and kind of, you know, hanging out. But, I wasn't really in contact with him as of late.

CUOMO: All right. You haven't been in contact with him a year or two, but when you know him, it was basically a normal kid and he was doing normal high school things. Fair enough?

MACHADO: Fair enough. Yes, very fair enough.

CUOMO: All right. Well, I'm sorry for your connection to this situation, if your friend turnouts to be the authorities believe he is. But thanks for the information. Appreciate it, Eric.

MACHADO: No problem.

BURNETT: Interesting about that, doing normal teenage things, which is obviously a little bit different than the sort of picture, the very preliminary picture we have so far of the brother's presence on social media. They didn't have friends, they only had each other. That is a little bit different and perhaps could indicate some things that had happened in him over relatively short period of time.

TAPPER: What Eric said earlier, he was stunned by all of this, that Dzhokhar seemed like a normal kid. He hadn't seen him in quite some time. He had -- he believed somebody had to have led Dzhokhar, 19, into this life. That was the impression of Eric.

His older brother, now dead, seven years older than him. Eric said he didn't even know Dzhokhar had an older brother. So, obviously, we are just piecing a little bit of information we have.

CUOMO: It's also meaningful piece, they're partying and drinking. We're taking that normal. Not normal for a devout Muslim. You know, I mean, the restrictions on that behavior.

What does that tell you? The idea if Islamic extremist. There's no reason to believe that with this kid.

BURNETT: Something could happen in that two-year time frame and people --

CUOMO: People change, especially in their teen years.

TAPPER: Tamerlan, the older brother, apparently, according to Feyerick's reporting earlier, had said he did not smoke, did not drink, so perhaps he was -- although also older, he had led a more austere life than his younger brother.

CUOMO: Right. Look, once this kid is brought into custody and hopefully that's what happens with the suspect, although there is a lot of bloodlust in these types of situations, people have vengeance on their minds, you lose your corridor to understand everything happened here. Assuming have you interest in the fairness of justice as the American system relates to.

But you have to find out why they did this, who they're connected, and this young man that they're pursuing right now, maybe their evidence to that.

BURNETT: This case is crucial because this is something that has never happened before this country. This sort of an act has never happened before. And people who have never claimed responsibility. There's so many things in this case that haven't happened before that we desperately need to have that window, we can understand there are more -- is there something that could happen again and where and what leads to it.

TAPPER: Attempts have happened before and they haven't been successful, homegrown, self-radicalized individuals have attempted to bomb things, Faisal Assad, would-be Times Square bomber for example.

CUOMO: Faisal Shahzad, that's true, even he had attended a camp, he spend a little bit of time, but largely, his motivations have become personal. TAPPER: Nidal Hasan, the Ft. Hood shooter, he self-radicalized. He killed a number of people. It just wasn't through an explosive.

CUOMO: To understand, what that means that for some reason, these individuals identify with other groups, identify with motives, but don't necessarily belong to the organization.

Brooke Baldwin, one of our reporters covering the situation.

Brooke, do you have new information for us?

BROOKE BALDWIN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: I think have you someone come to me, if you are on me, let me set the scene. I'm on Cambridge. We're across town, where you have you seen al those hustle and bustle, police activity in Watertown.

We are seeing a lot of police and a lot of FBI here in Cambridge. In fact, if I could get you to go straight in on the crime scene tape just a block away from where I'm standing. If you hook a right down that road. That is Norfolk Avenue, that is where the two young suspects -- these two young men apparently lived.

I have been here the better part of the last hour, there has been in the last ten minutes I would say, Chris, we were all, members of the media, and I have to tell you, dozens of us, all suddenly told by two dozen FBI agents who came at us and they said you have to move. You have to move. And so, we suddenly had to move a block and a half away. Why, I don't know. But a Cambridge police officer kept saying over and over and over, it's not safe, it's not safe, it's not safe.

So, we have moved to a safer location. Why they had us move? I don't yet know. That's so far the scene here in Cambridge.

Quickly, there's a city bus right to my right. That is where I've been told a lot of the folks who live on the street, where this young man had an apartment are now being evacuated and will be placed on the bus to get them out of area because it's apparently not safe -- Chris.

TAPPER: All right. Brooke Baldwin. That's right.

We're going to go now to Deb Feyerick. She's been in Watertown al; morning, covering the latest developments there, including some major law enforcement presence to push in guns drawn. We had images on Watertown on delay in case there was violence not appropriate to be broadcast.

Deb, what are you learning?

DEBORAH FEYERICK, CNN NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: You know, another reason why on delay and something we were concerned about, and that is, you never want to give away positioning, strategy or logistics of an operation.

We do know in the last couple of minutes actually, number of people pulled out. There were folks in military fatigues, ATF agents, FBI agents, probably a caravan of about 20 vehicles pulled out. All of them were loaded with people. The folks who are on the roof, they have no come down to area cooling down as people pulled back.

We don't know what happened there. We're trying to get the information. Not clear why there was so much activity so quickly. We reported earlier, and we smelled smoke, really at the helicopter circled overhead.

And folks that I have been speaking who are involved in this or being brief on this, the one thing we want to emphasize and this is very, very serious, that is nobody knows the context of what these two people were doing and with whom we may have been doing this with? Have you two individuals who created a relatively sophisticated device.

And what I mean by that is, yes, was it crude? Yes. But it worked, and the fact that they were able to pull it off. They did it with routine precision, walking through the people of marathon. There was a lot of training, a lot of thought that went into that.

Secondly, the dead man, the man wearing the black hat. There's a question about him. We are being told about a source, that when investigators took him to the hospital for autopsy and forensic analysis, he explosives on him and also had a trigger attached to those -- or as part of those explosives, I should clarify.

So, they found explosives on him and a trigger. We don't know whether he was killed because that device detonated, because of the car chase, an exchange of gunfire, we don't know whether in fact he self- detonated that device by accident. We don't know.

We also don't know whether his younger brother may be equipped with a similar device. That's what law enforcement is so concerned about right now.

So, to isolate these two men, to think they were perhaps acting on their own, that is very, very premature right now. We don't know who they were interacting with him. We don't know they were interacting with. All of that is under investigation.

Investigators are scouring Web site, digital media, social media pages that allegedly belonged to these two young men. And again, activity we are told on one of the social media counts. But investigators don't know if the person who is updating some of the statuses is, in fact, the one they are looking for or an associate.

So there's so many different loose ends, we are so far from right now being able to tie them up.

Juliette made a very good point that these folks are from the Russian Caucus, which includes Chechnya, we don't know if that is where they became radicalized, whether they had more of a tie to that country and didn't fit in here or so.

We are -- we are seeing things as they develop, as they unfold. We don't yet have the context. We have a lot of details, just like investigators. We have a lot of facts, what they mean. We're a ways from understanding that -- Chris. CUOMO: All right. Deb, thank you very much for that.

Let's go to Don Lemon, another point of coverage we have. There's been some police activity in his area -- Don.

DON LEMON, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Yeah, a couple of things, Chris. In this area where we are, triangular area right here where we have seen police officers on foot, we've seen them in tactical units, we've seen them in cars and if you look in the sky here, a helicopter, the orbits from the helicopter have gotten narrower, narrower, narrower, which would indicate possibly that they are -- they have honed in on someone or something in the area. Been here, happening here for 15, 20 minutes.

And the reason Deb Feyerick said they moved away from her area, they have moved to this area, it's because they all came to this area, not exactly true what they have on that area but we have seen him. It's a little triangular area in Watertown that they have come in.

Also, learning some new information. We spoke to one of our photographers Jay McMichael (ph) spoke with someone who knew both of the suspects, they call them Dzhokhar and Tamerlan. He says he's known him since 2006-2007. He went to high school with them. The one they are looking for now in the white cap, he is a normal kid. He parties, and quite frankly, quite honestly, sometimes he smokes. You know what that means.

And he was raised here. He is just as American as I am. And he was a wrestler, he was in great shape. He got a scholarship for wrestling, speaking of Dzhokhar.

And he said, the older one, Tamerlan, a boxer, and he said that he was a two-time golden globe champion. People wanted him to go pro and also boxed in Las Vegas. We spoke to him a short time ago. Listen to what he said about these two men.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I was pretty shocked. I called my brother. He was crying. He was like, that's our friends that we knew from high school.