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Three People Dead In Indianapolis Bus Crash; Politicians Behaving Badly: What Makes Them Do It?; The Art Of The Comeback

Aired July 27, 2013 - 18:00   ET

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DON LEMON, CNN ANCHOR: Here in the CNN NEWSROOM, everyone, I'm Don Lemon. We have an incredible hour straight ahead for you.

But first, we want to start with breaking news here on CNN.

It is breaking news out of Indianapolis. Three people killed in the bus crash. The crash of a bus reportedly filled with teens returning from camp. The bus flipped on to its side near an interstate ramp. In addition to the three killed, police say at least ten others are injured. The Indianapolis star reports the bus crash caused a large diesel fuel spill and hazardous materials crews are working to clean up the area. We don't know what caused the crash. Police on CNN came on, told us they're investigating this. And just moments ago here's who I spoke with. Michael Hewitt of the Indianapolis police department.

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MICHAEL HEWITT, INDIANAPOLIS POLICE DEPARTMENT: We have three people who are confirmed deceased here on the scene. It's my understanding there is a total of 37 passengers.

LEMON: Thirty seven passengers. Seventeen injured, pardon me. Three dead. I misspoke there. Three dead, 17 injured. And we were told 40 passengers but you're saying 37 passengers, correct?

HEWITT: Yes. That's just a preliminary number I was given that there was 37 passengers. Three deceased on the scene. Two have been life lined to area hospitals and eight other people involved in the crash have been transported to area hospitals by ambulance.

LEMON: OK. Are these all people who were on the bus who were deceased and are injured?

HEWITT: That's my understanding. However, it is under investigation right now.

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LEMON: OK. So that's the latest that we have right now. We are going to bring you new developments on this breaking story just as soon as we learn them. We are keeping a very close eye on that for you current situation in Indianapolis. This is terrible as well. Here in New York where I am, a bride-to-be found dead today after a pre-wedding boat party turned into a disaster. Now, the driver of the boat is charged with manslaughter. And just hours ago authorities found the bride's body in the Hudson River about 25 miles north of Manhattan. She was on a speed boat that slammed into a construction barge last night. The best man is still missing. Four other passengers including the groom hospitalized.

Let me get straight to CNN's Alina Cho who is covering this.

Really a terrible story, Alina. Tell us about these charges and had the boat driver been drinking?

ALINA CHO, CNN CORRESPONDENT: It appears so, Don. Really, a stunning development in this case within the past hour. Authorities came out, gave a news conference and announced right at the top that they had arrested a 35-year-old New York man with vehicular manslaughter and vehicular assault. They do believe that he was driving this boat while intoxicated. He apparently was a friend of everyone onboard.

As you mentioned, earlier in the day, just before 1:00 p.m. eastern, searchers did recover the body of one of two people missing from this boating accident. That body is believed to be that of 30-year-old Lindsay Stewart, a bride to be, set to be married just two weeks from today. Really, a woman with her full life ahead of her. The missing man is said to be the best man of this wedding. And we should mention that the search has been suspended for now due to high tide and tired crews who have been on the water all night and all day today. But it will resume tomorrow morning at 10:00 a.m.

Let me tell you a little bit about what happened last night, what caused this. About 10:00 last night a small speed boat carrying six people in all left a marina, not far from here, within minutes, essentially, this boat hit a construction barge connected to the Tapanzee Bridge behind me. Two people were ejected. Four people remained in the boat with severe injuries. Among those who survived, was the groom, who apparently at the time of the accident was knocked unconscious. And when he came to, he called 911.

Now, we are hearing from authorities that the barge apparently was lit both from the front and the back but they tell us it was a very dark night, not a full moon, and they also say even the most experienced boat captains might have trouble on the water behind me because, Don, post superstorm Sandy, there is also a lot of debris in the water.

Again, the very latest is that a 35-year-old man has been charged with vehicular manslaughter and vehicular assault in this boating accident which apparently claimed the life of a bride to be. One man is missing and right now the search will continue tomorrow morning -- Don.

LEMON: Very sad. Thank you, Alina. Appreciate that.

You know, seven people are dead after an apartment building standoff in south Florida late last night. That includes the gunman. Police say he set his apartment on fire, then shot the two building managers who responded, plus four others before a SWAT team stormed the building and killed him. Police have identified the shooter as 43- year-old Pedro Vargas. They say he had no criminal record and no history of irrational behavior. They also say the tragedy could have been a lot worse.

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It could have been a much, much more dangerous situation. This is a terrible tragedy. But the fact is that when we found him in the investigation, he still had plenty of live rounds of ammunition left with him. Had we not cornered him, had we not acted quickly and decisively, and then entered and engaged him, this could have been a much greater tragedy.

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LEMON: Well, police say they negotiated with Vargas for three hours but the negotiations failed. And that's when they decided to storm the apartment and were able to kill the gunman and rescue two hostages. So we'll get you more information on that as we get it here.

We want to talk some politics now. And I'm not spilling any secrets about politicians sometimes behave badly. We know that.

Look at the news just this week. These two men are trying to explain themselves, one trying to keep his job, the other asking for a third chance at a political career. And they are just the latest in a long string of public figures who have to address things in their private lives that they'd rather not.

So, I want to bring in now Nik Richie who is here. He runs a Web site that broke the latest chapter in the Anthony Weiner trouble and scandal. He is from the dirty.com. I'm sure a lot of people didn't know about the dirty.com but they know about it now.

So, Nik, thanks for joining us. Tell me how The Dirty got these latest Anthony Weiner pictures and messages.

NIK RICHIE, FOUNDER, THEDIRTY.COM: Well, Don, how it works with the dirty is people can submit content kind of like an e-mail upload similar to You Tube and I get submissions and tips, I guess, from all over the world from individual people. And this girl, Sidney Leathers, reached out to me saying, hey, I have this information. Can I send it to you and see if you can do anything with it. It happened to be Anthony Weiner basically, you know, lying about his whole situation. And telling her that, you know, he is running for mayor and telling her to hard delete all the conversations and it was pretty amazing when I got it.

LEMON: So she reached out to you, correct?

RICHIE: Yes.

LEMON: Because here is a thing. I see your site showing pictures of Anthony Weiner. Do you show the pictures of her? RICHIE: No. When she came to me first she wanted obviously everyone that submits stuff it's anonymous. And basically, I try to keep their (INAUDIBLE) and her identity a secret and obviously that wasn't going to happen. The story was too big and she decided to come out. Originally, you know, when we discussed how we were going to do this she said she wanted to be a private person and didn't want her identity out there.

LEMON: Because my question is, if she is going to come to you and she took these conversations as well, she was sexting as well.

RICHIE: Correct.

LEMON: There is something in it for her. If you're going to show his pictures why not show hers?

RICHIE: Well, she -- we were trying to expose him because he was basically saying this was behind him and he was lying to people saying, you know, I haven't had any other conversations and I'm cured and she was bitter about that.

LEMON: I get that. But what I'm saying to you is that she is an adult. She is a consenting adult.

RICHIE: Correct.

LEMON: She is a consenting adult. She did not have to -- listen, I'm not condoning what Anthony Weiner did. But it appears he is the only one here who is in trouble for this and people are glorifying her behavior. He has a right, he is a public figure.

Let me put it this way. She didn't have to do it and now she is going on your Web site. She is going on other shows and she probably thinks this is something fun that is good for her. She is going to make money from these entertainment shows for now. But she really wants to be known as the woman who was sexting with Anthony Weiner?

If you look, if you -- I'm sure Monica Lewinsky would probably give her very different advice about this situation. Do you understand what I'm saying?

RICHIE: Yes, I totally do, Don. Originally, she didn't want to come out. "Buzz Feed" was the actual Web site that basically revealed her identity and it just snowballed. The original plan was that she wanted to stay private. And I'm not condoning what she did. She knows she screwed up. She knew he was married. And she was sending naked pictures to him, numerous naked pictures, and having phone sex conversations with him on a daily basis, you know. And her whole thing was she doesn't think she is the only one. And she felt like she was kind of taken advantage of her.

LEMON: I understand that. So, when someone comes to you, I mean, do you think about this or did you just say hey let's put it on the Web site or is this something, would you think about not ever running anything like this, that this is just way too beyond the pale? RICHIE: No, it will happen, Don. She actually came to me twice. She came to me in April, then she came April 2013. She came to me about a month later and I kept telling her I need more information. This isn't just something I can just throw out there and put my neck behind and put it on the line basically. So, I went through the whole last weekend with her. We went through all the conversations, basically, put out a bullet point game plan as far as how to get it out to hide her identity and then, you know, we put it out there and look what happened.

LEMON: Yes. Listen. I'm not putting -- I don't mean to put you on the spot here. But what I'm saying is there are two people involved here. She appears to be -- people are making her out to be a hero and making Anthony Weiner out to be a villain. Again, I'm not condoning what Anthony Weiner did, but her behavior is not something, you know, that we should be proud of as well. And probably she shouldn't be proud as well. So, that's all I'm saying I totally agree with you.

RICHIE: Yes.

LEMON: Thank you, sir. Appreciate you coming on.

RICHIE: Thank you, Don.

LEMON: You know, and we are not even close to finishing talking about politicians behaving badly. Anthony Weiner, Bob Filner, Eliot Spitzer, are they finished? Is there a future after a scandal? And guess who will be here with me, Mayor Marion Barry who knows about surviving a scandal more than anyone. Marion Barry does. That's coming up in just a few minutes here on CNN.

I want to get you live now to Brazil. These are pictures of the Pope and the Pope mobile. He is on the move and we are taking you live to Brazil next.

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LEMON: OK. I want to tell there are a lot of breaking news here on CNN.

You see the two pictures at the top of your screen. That is an interstate in Indianapolis where a bus has crashed with teens coming home from camp. Three people are dead, 37 people on the bus, 17 injured.

On the lower left of the screen, you can back that up, that is -- they're looking for a plane, a small plane crashed into lake Michigan. This is courtesy of our affiliate WISN. They are reporting that debris was found that looks like it was from a 1975 piper single engine plane, a coast guard boat searching for a small plane that has crashed into that lake. Again, debris was found that looks like it was from a 1975 piper single engine plane, the coast guard was contacted after the plane disappeared from radar. No word on how many people were onboard the plane.

And to the right, that is Brazil. We are taking you to Brazil live now. That's shots of the Pope mobile. His holiness, Pope Francis, on his way to Copa Cabana beach in Rio. He was just standing outside the Pope mobile just moments ago. The Pope will hold a prayer vigil for young pilgrims there. Earlier today, the Pope celebrated mass at Rio de Janeiro cathedral. He also met with politicians and clerics in Brazil and urged them to close the gap between the country's rich and poor. It is the Pope's last night in Brazil and his first international visit. He will celebrate mass tomorrow before heading back to the Vatican.

Again, you're looking at live pictures. Look at the faces of the people in the crowd. Enamored, in awe of his holiness Pope Francis who is now making his way through the streets of brazil heading to Copa Cabana beach. We will keep you updated on this story here on CNN.

The prosecution rests in the Whitey Bulger case. If you missed the fireworks this past week we'll run it all down and hear from a former associate of Bulger, that's next.

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LEMON: OK. Well, reputed ex-mobster Whitey Bulger has not decided whether to testify in his own defense. The prosecution rested the case Friday after 63 witnesses and lots of testimony about alleged bribes, murders, extortion, and drug deals. Bulger is charged in connection with 19 murders.

Deborah Feyerick is tracking every angle of the Bulger trial in Boston.

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DEBORAH FEYERICK, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): For the jury it was a rare moment hearing the voice of James Bulger.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Bulldogs. Sandy Connors the guy in the phone booth.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes. Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They threw my name in the mix.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Right.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: But anyways, that was what happened.

FEYERICK: Recorded during a prison visit the notorious mob boss described the murder of Eddie Connors. Eyewitnesses say Bulger fired the machine gun. Yet, despite an occasional outburst he has sat quiet as members of his notorious inner circle have betrayed the famous code of silence and testified against him.

Bulger's hit man, his Hench man and his enforcer justified their betrayal, saying Bulger betrayed them. Because like his Hench man, Steve Flemmi, James Bulger was an FBI informant for more than two decades protected by rogue FBI agents Bulger's criminal empire grew unchallenged. John Shea once ran drugs and served time for Bulger. What do you think is going through Whitey' mind as he sits there listening to this?

JOHN SHEA, BULGER'S FORMER DRUG RUNNER: It's killing him that he is being ousted as a rat.

FEYERICK: Bulger's former accomplices have provided grisly details of the 19 murder he is accused of testifying he either planned them or did the killing himself. Among the most horrifying, Bulger allegedly strangled two women very close to his crime partner, Steven Flemmi. Flemmi's step daughter Deborah Hussy and his stunning 26-year-old girlfriend, Debby Davis, had both become liabilities.

Flemmi testified Bulger, quote, "strangled Davis all the way down to the basement." Her remains were found in a tidal marsh with some of her hair intact. Davis's death still haunts her brother.

STEVE DAVIS, MURDER VICTIM'S BROTHER: Its tattoo image in my brain, my sister and the gruesome way they killed her and what they did and wrapped her up. It's like torture.

FEYERICK: His Hench man described Bulger getting a per verse high from the killings, have to lay down after while his cronies buried the bodies. Tommy Donahue's father an innocent victim was caught in the cross fire of one of Bulger's shootings.

When you look at whitey Bulger what do you see?

TOMMY DONAHUE, ALLEGED MURDER VICTIM'S SON: I see a complete psychopath maniac murderer who has no failings and no heart for nobody.

FEYERICK: Bulger's hit man killed businessmen, friends, rival gangsters, and anyone who got in the way. He testified Bulger laughed after a drive by shooting, thrilled by the rush of bullets he felt overhead.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: These gangsters changed everyone's life. It's everyone who lives, whose life has been destroyed.

FEYERICK: Yet only one thing has made Bulger lose his temper repeatedly, being called a rat. His enforcer, Kevin Weeks, sneered, we killed people for being rats and I had the two biggest rats right next to me. Bulger turned and cursed.

KEVIN CULLEN, AUTHOR, COLUMNIST: Jay Carney lead counsel walked in the first day and said, he is an extortionist. He is a drug trafficker. He was a book maker. But he didn't kill those women and he wasn't an informant. That's all Whitey cares about.

FEYERICK: Bulger's defense starts next week.

Deborah Feyerick, CNN, Boston.

(END VIDEOTAPE) LEMON: We will be following it for you. We are moments away. You don't want to miss this. We are talking politicians behaving badly but not like you've heard before. Anthony Weiner, Bob Filner, Eliot Spitzer. I will talk to a sex expert and I talk to body language expert and a man who knows all about surviving scandal, mayor Marion Barry. Yes, that's right. The mayor Marion Barry. That's next.

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LEMON: Live pictures from Rio de Janeiro. There is the Pope out of the Pope mobile and walking up to where he is going to speak and give a sermon. His holiness Pope Francis on his way to Copa Cabana beach in Rio. He will hold a prayer vigil for young pilgrims there. We have seen him all week here for the last couple of days as he has been making his way through Rio and the Pope mobile, getting in and out of the Pope mobile. Actually, frightening some of the members of his security and the people who were watching as well because he is getting really close to people. And he wants -- he is a Pope of the people and doesn't always abide by security rules and doesn't like to be cooped up, so to speak, in that Pope mobile which keeps him separated, he feels, from the people he is serving. And there is Pope Francis now making his way up. And again, these have been beautiful pictures we've been watching all week here.

And, you know, the vigil is -- there is a vigil tomorrow. And you know the Pope, this Pope really, when he came into power, set a precedent when it comes to meeting and being among the people and not being held as some would say to a standard where he is above other people. Choosing not to ride sometimes with the other bishops and cardinals or riding the bus with them I should say and not taking his special Pope mobile or special rides and secured rides. There he is about to speak. And we will keep an eye on this for you. Again, these pictures are just beautiful. Phenomenal to watch. There is Pope Francis there. Keep an eye on that for you.

Also, as we move on here, the new prince George is of course a huge hit in the UK. But how does the name George play in the U.S.?

Our Tom Foreman did some checking in today's American journey.

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TOM FOREMAN, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): The royal decision to call the new baby George is playing well in the UK where that name is popular with many parents, but on this side of the pond?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Not in a million years.

FOREMAN: One expectant mom after another at New York's prenatal yoga center told us George would never make their list of baby names chosen with elaborate care.

LESLIE PALTI GUZMAN, EXPECTANT MOTHER: I think it's important because it is something that you carry your whole life. That, you know, that reflects on your personality. FOREMAN: A hundred years ago or so, George was a hugely popular name in America, but these days according to the baby name wizard Web site it is barely on the charts despite two recent presidents named George and a movie star, too.

Laura Wattenberg runs the Web site base on her book.

LAURA WATTENBERG, AUTHOR, THE BABY NAME WIZARD: We have really seen a revolution in American baby naming that no one wants to seem ordinary. What you care a lot is I don't want my daughter to be one of four Jennifers in her class. But while parents want kids to stand out, kids are still perfectly happy to fit in.

FOREMAN: So while some families may cozy up to pop culture names like Cathy (ph) from the "Hunger Games," many others are striking a delicate balance choosing something not too traditional but not utterly avant-garde. Nameberry.com says the most popular girls names last year were Sophia, Emma, and Isabella. The most popular boy's names? Jacob, Mason, and Ethan.

But here is the thing. None of these names is as popular as the most popular names ones were because we are collectively choosing from a much wider pool of possibilities. Perhaps the only thing that remains constant, picking the right name is still not easy.

JAMIE PATTERSON, EXPECTANT MOTHER: If it's a boy, I have Jack Henry, locked and loaded. If it's a girl, I have a list 18 miles long. So, I don't know.

FOREMAN: Tom Foreman, CNN.

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LEMON: Men, power, and sex. Why do some men in power behave so badly? Plus reading their body language. It's what they didn't say that made all the difference.

ANTHONY WEINER, NYC MAYORAL CANDIDATE: I'll be glad to take one or two questions.

LEMON: And the art of the come back. How do some make it back from the brink while others fall off the cliff?

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LEMON: Very good questions. We'll start with politicians behaving badly right now. Texting nude photos, trysts with prostitutes, inappropriate sexual advances. We're zeroing in on scandals involving Anthony Weiner, San Diego mayor Bob Filner and Eliot Spitzer, who have all made headlines this week. And joining me now is sex and relationship expert Dr. Simone Bienne and CNN.com commentator Dean Obeidallah. And a man who almost needs no introduction, Mayor Marion Barry. And Mayor, we're going to talk with you throughout this broadcast a lot, especially the part where we talk about what happens next. How do you rehabilitate yourself?

So, let's get into this now. I'll start with Dr. Bienne. Why do sex and politics seem to go hand in hand, Doctor?

DR. SIMONE BIENNE, RELATIONSHIP EXPERT: Well, they do, don't they, Don? Because the type of personality that is drawn to being a politician means you are obviously drawn also into power. And there is a big connection between power and risk taking. And they kind of feed off of each other as well: the more powerful you feel, the more risks you take. The more risks you take, the more powerful you feel.

But also what we know as we're looking at, particularly Weiner that I've been covering a lot for CNN this week, is that there is a big difference between somebody who feels entitled and somebody who has a sexual compulsion. Now, of course we all relate to stress in very different ways, and politicians can relate to stress in very different ways. We're thinking that President Obama is able to deal with it a in a healthy way, Weiner not so much. And so he is craving that attention to deal with his stress and acting out in a way that actually, to me, says he has an entitlement complex.

LEMON: Okay.

BIENNE: He is not caring what he does.

LEMON: Let's bring in a politician who has been no stranger to scandal. Former Washington, D.C. mayor and current D.C. councilman Marion Barry. Marion Barry served time in prison for drug charges after he was videotaped smoking crack in 1990. Earlier this month, he was punished and fined for accepting illegal gifts from city contractors.

And you are quite open with what happened to you and quite above board, and many people are surprised that you even accepted coming on the show. Why would you accept to come on the show quite honestly, Mayor? Thank you for joining us, by the way.

MARION BARRY, D.C. COUNCILMAN: First of all, I wanted to clear myself in terms of what the FBI did in my situation. It's different than Congressman Weiner or Governor Spitzer. I was entrapped by the FBI. They spent $7 million to $10 million trying to entrap me at the Vista Hotel. They've been looking in my trash and everything else, following me around. I wanted people to know that what was in that pipe - they don't know. They wouldn't even tell us. They tried to kill me, I think. They had a paramedic there.

But my story is totally different. It's not of my own behavior. It's the behavior of the FBI and the American government that got me where I was. Now, in terms of the -- wait a minute.

LEMON: Hang on before you move on. Do you take no responsibility for what happened in that hotel room?

BARRY: I take responsibility for going there, but I did not take responsibility for being entrapped. Nine of the 12 jurors, nine black jurors, voted to acquit me of all charges. And three white people voted to convict me. So that's what happened.

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BARRY: Wait a minute.

LEMON: Hang on. I'm going to let you finish, but I just want to clear this up. You're saying you weren't smoking crack in that hotel room?

BARRY: Nobody knows what it was. At got the trial --

LEMON: I understand, that but I'm asking you, though. Were you or were you not smoking crack?

BARRY: No, I wasn't smoking crack. I don't know what I was smoking. I never smoked crack, and I don't need to smoke crack. And so, that's not the issue. The issue is the American government sent this video all over the world letting people believe that I was smoking crack. Nobody knows. We asked the judge to order the FBI and U.S. attorney to produce the results of what was in that pipe. They refused to do it. So that is very, very clear.

On the other hand, I take full responsibility for reporting these two legal gifts the first time (ph) it happened in 2012, first time we had a law. We had an (INAUDIBLE) ethics law in America. I voted for it, and I brought this out. They didn't go looking for me. I had 31 years of public service. Nobody has ever accused Marion Barry of kickbacks, of bribery, stealing government money or anything like that.

LEMON: Well - well, let's get back to this.

BARRY: On the other hand, I understand those who fall, those who get pushed, those who push themselves into a hole. Everyone listening to this and not listening, we're going to go through something. If you live long enough, you're going to go through a storm. You'll either push yourself into a hole or somebody pushes you into it, or you do things to do that.

If the question is not that you get pushed into this hole, that you get up. My philosophy is that we all are going to go through something. It may be a divorce. It may be kids. It might be drugs. It might be money. It may be something. It may be seeing a photograph somewhere. But we need to understand that Americans are forgiving people. If you're sincere about it like I was and like some of the other people are, if you're really sincere, ask for forgiveness, be serious about that, and then - but you have to also have accomplished something before that.

LEMON: Mayor, I'm going to let you give more this of advice when we talk about surviving these scandals and rehabilitating yourself a little bit later on in this broadcast. We're going to continue to talk about this.

And Dean, don't worry. I'll get you in as well. Again, thanks to our guests, but our conversation is going to continue. Coming up, with a body language expert, we're going to look at what went unspoken between Anthony Weiner and his wife at their news conference this week. You don't want to miss it.

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LEMON: We want to zero in on the Anthony Weiner scandal now and what wasn't said at his joint news conference with his wife, Huma. A body language expert, Blanca Cobb, joins the conversation now along with Simone Bienne and Dean Obeidallah. Huma Abedin has taken a lot of flack for standing by her man through the repeated sexting revelations. But let's take a look at her stance during the press conference right now. Okay?

So, Blanca, actually didn't stand that close to her husband. What does that mean?

BLANCA COBB, SENIOR INSTRUCTOR, BODY LANGUAGE INSTITUTE: What that means is she is putting some distance between herself and her husband. Between couples and lovers, what we'll see is a close proximity, roughly 18 inches. Then you get into a personal space or personal zone. That's roughly a foot-and-a-half to four feet. And that's where she was standing.

And so she set the precedent. In my opinion, when you're going to come out strong and you want to say that you and your husband have moved forward and you've looked -- are leaving transgressions behind, I think you should start off more powerful and having and being physically closer. And that is exactly what Anthony Weiner did when his wife spoke.

LEMON: Okay.

COBB: He was physically closer to her.

LEMON: Okay. So I want you to watch and listen as Weiner talks about what he did about getting another chance with his wife. Listen.

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WEINER: This behavior that I did was problematic, to say the least, destructive to say the most, caused many stresses and strains in my marriage. But I'm pleased and blessed that she has given me a second chance. For the past several months, I've been asking New Yorkers to also give me another chance.

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LEMON: Okay. So, Blanca, at one point she turns away from her husband. She's looking down. Quite frankly, one of the reporters who here at CNN told me yesterday her eyes locked with Huma's, and it looked like she was going to cry, and she looked away. What do you make of this particular gesture? COBB: It could very well be that she was trying to hold back some emotion. You know, she is in the public spotlight, she's supporting her husband. But at the same time, she has to deal with feelings of betrayal, right? And deceit. But she wants to be supportive. So, sure.

And when we turn away, we're avoiding someone or something that has caused us pain. It's very natural to turn away. Why? Because when we look at that person who's caused us pain and humiliation, it brings it back up. It is almost a way to protect ourselves. Think about when you see something we don't particularly like. What do we do? We kind of cringe and turn away from it. It is very natural.

LEMON: OK. Dean, I want to -- I see you are shaking your head. But here's a question I have for you, Dean. Because when you have a marriage, quite frankly, when people say everybody wants to get married - now you know, people, same-sex married couple, oh, I want to get married, I want to get married. But the vows do say, right, for better or for worse.

So, she appears to be abiding by her wedding vows. And the worst thing you can do, the worst thing you can do I think as betrayal is when someone you are married to is having a hard time and you leave them when they're at the bottom. That is the worst thing you can do. Am I wrong with that?

DEAN OBEIDALLAH, CNN.COM COMMENTATOR: I don't think you're wrong. I wish Huma would have reached over and slapped Anthony Weiner in the head in the middle of that press conference, though. It would have made it better.

It is shocking to me, though, that Anthony Weiner is the one that commits the wrong, and the backlash is going against her. This is her choice. She is a woman. She graduated from George Washington University. Well respected in Washington. Consultant making money. I know people in her family. They have money, they emotionally support her.

She is not a hostage. She could leave if she wants. And this rank speculation that how dare she stand there. This is ridiculous, like she is a hostage of Anthony Weiner. She could walk away. She is a smart, independent woman. I think people are demeaning the quality of Huma as a person.

LEMON: That's what I was going to say. Because if you're going to listen to your vows, it says for better or for worse. And if you've ever been in a relationship and you've been at a down point, you say how can this person leave me now when it was great, you know, you loved the money. You loved the great times. You loved the dinner, you loved the publicity, you loved all that stuff. But when I'm going through a bad spot, you're out of here. I mean, come on, Dean.

OBEIDALLAH: I agree. I wouldn't leave. I'd stay.

LEMON: She could say, listen. This is my husband. I took a vow. He's a knucklehead right now. I may not be with him for the long haul in the future. Who knows? But right now, he's in a bad spot, and I'm going to stick by him because I am the best friend he has. Let's listen to this.

BIENNE: I think -

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HUMA ABEDIN, ANTHONY WEINER'S WIFE: It was not an easy choice in any way. But I made the decision that it was worth staying in this marriage. That was a decision I made for me, for our son, and for our family.

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LEMON: Doctor, I applaud her. I am sure people are going to be ticked at me. I applaud her. She is doing what you're supposed to do when in a marriage.

BEINNE: Well, you see, Don, I think you would be a very nice person to be married to if the shoe was on the other foot. You'd be the ideal candidate. But I've got to say, listen. Huma is a wonderfully smart, bright, intelligent woman, and we don't know her motives for staying in this marriage. Yes, she could be a good wife. Yes, she could be looking at this is a cultural expectation of what women do. It is a cultural expectation of what men or male politicians do that they go out and they cheat. And it could be actually that she has political motivations herself, which I'm not criticizing her for. I'm applauding her for because if he wins and if he's successful, then she benefits from that success as well. Whatever, I completely agree with Dean. She ain't no victim.

LEMON: Here's what I have to say, all right? I think that the last thing this guy -- listen. He did something really stupid. But can you imagine if his wife left him at this point? Come on. And if she really, truly loves him, he's done a stupid thing. She probably realizes, look. I'm all this guy has right now, and when he gets stronger, I may rethink things. But right now, I'm not going to kick a man when he's down even though it is his own fault.

OBEIDALLAH: And maybe he didn't do it. Maybe it was Carlos Danger, his alter ego --

LEMON: Maybe it was his alter ego, Carlos Danger. C'mon.

OBEIDALLAH: Anthony Weiner is a good guy. But Carlos -- look. If your name is Anthony Weiner, Carlos Danger is a step up. So -

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LEMON: He did a really silly thing. Again, I'm not condoning. But come on --

OBEIDALLAH: No, I'm not either.

LEMON: But I think people are under estimating Huma, you know. That's all I'll say. Thank you, guys. We got to get back to the rest of the conversation. We've seen it time and time again: Politicians returning to prominence after a fall from grace. Ahead, how do they gain back the public's trust? Marion Barry is going to be back with us.

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LEMON: All right. Now the art of the comeback. Anthony Weiner was actually on top in polls in the New York mayoral race before this week's revelations. Eliot Spitzer is said to be leading his race for New York City comptroller.

And who could forget former Washington, D.C. mayor Marion Barry? It wasn't a sex scandal, though. He was re-elected to the mayor's office and the D.C. city council after he served time in prison on drug charges. Marion Barry, let's start with you.

BARRY: OK.

LEMON: How did you manage to bounce back from this horrific scandal? I remember I was on vacation with my family watching the news reports and we were all going, oh, my gosh. What is this, what is going on? This man will never come back. Yet you did. How did you do it?

BARRY: First of all, it wasn't a scandal. But back to the (INAUDIBLE) etcetera, it is important if you are going to come back to be real, to be sincere, to be humble, to be asking for forgiveness for real, not as a fake. In terms of your wife, my wife, Effie,who is now deceased from leukemia, sat in the courtroom for eight weeks every day to listen to listen to lies and listen to this. I'm sure she was cringing inside. We went outside, she showed her sincerity. That's part of coming back.

Both parties have to be for real. Like Hillary Clinton and Bill Clinton. I think that was a real situation. And so part of it is to be real. Don't try to B.S. people. Don't try to put on things. But also you got to have a strong, spiritual base --

LEMON: What would you say to Anthony Weiner right now?

BARRY: I'm not going to say anything to Anthony Weiner because I'm not talking to him. I'm talking to other people like yourself.

Let me say something about New York politics. I live in Washington, D.C. I go to New York, but I don't know anything about New York politics. So, I don't want to comment on anybody who's running or not running.

But back to spirituality, you have to have a strong spiritual base. And also you have to believe in yourself. You have to also -

LEMON: All right, Mayor. I get what you're saying, I get what you're laying down, so to speak, but I want to get on because we're running out of time. The public relations and corporate expert Howard Bragman joins me now. And Howard, you are the vice chairman of Reputation.com, right? HOWARD BRAGMAN, VICE CHAIRMAN, REPUTATION.COM: Hi, Don.

LEMON: What's the best advice for politicians if they want to come back, if Anthony Weiner wants to make a comeback?

BRAGMAN: Well, the first thing and the thing that Weiner didn't do, was if the volcano starts erupting, you got to wait for the lava to stop flowing before you clean it up. And his problem was that some of this news was still coming out. He was actually doing a really good job of claiming the dialogue, of getting his discussion in, which is why he was leading in the polls. He's got a lot of money. He has a few million dollars from his last congressional campaign.

But once you lose the ability to get your message out, it's over. I think that's what's happened to him now. He can't go to, you know, he can't go to a kosher soup kitchen without somebody ripping him apart for his texting scandal. He's lost the dialogue right now.

LEMON: What would you tell him? Would you advise him to keep talking or to shut up?

BRAGMAN: You know, I think at this point, if you look at the polling, you're actually probably going to find the more he's out there, the more he is hurting himself. The more he is hurting any future chances. I'm in New York this week. I've talked to a lot of New Yorkers. There is a lot of anger over his lying, over the humiliation to the city. Saying, "I don't want to hurt the city any more. I want to step aside," would do him a lot of good in the future. I don't care how much money he has got to spend. If you're thinking of your political future, I think the citizens of New York would really appreciate him not talking right now. I have a saying, Don. It's silence is golden, duct tape is silver. Time for the duct tape.

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LEMON: Howard, you always have the best sayings. Thank you. Mayor Barry, thank you for coming on and being so (INAUDIBLE).

BARRY: Thank you, Don, for inviting me. Any time. I watch CNN from time to time. Watch you when I'm watching television. I'm working so hard - for the people who are watching. Thank you very, very much.

LEMON: Thank you all. All right. And Howard as well. All my guests. Simone Bienne, Dean Obeidallah, Blanca Cobb, Howard Braggman, of course, and mayor Marion Barry again.

Next, we're going to take you live to Brazil where the pope about is to deliver a special message.

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LEMON: All right, before we go, we want to give you some live pictures of Brazil. This is a youth event. His holiness, Pope Francis, now at the Copacabana Beach in Rio. After an incredibly active week, the Pope has a very special prayer vigil for young pilgrims there.

I'm Don Lemon. "ANTHONY BOURDAIN: PARTS UNKNOWN" begins right now.