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LAX Shooting Discussed; Former Law Enforcement and Government Officials Talk about How Such Incidents Are Handled; Interview with Actor Tim Daly, Witness

Aired November 01, 2013 - 14:00   ET

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ANNOUNCER: This is CNN breaking news.

BROOKE BALDWIN, CNN ANCHOR: Here we go, breaking news.

I'm Brooke Baldwin, and you're watching all of this unfolding as we're hear from eyewitnesses, the most terrifying ordeal of their lives.

Let's explain what has been happening at Los Angeles International Airport for the better part of an hour and a half, really panic and bloodshed. A shooting at LAX.

A couple items I need to pass along to you. First and foremost, a ground stop that is now in place, according to the FAA. This all happened right around Terminal 3. Gunshots rang out early this morning, right around 9:30 local time.

We are hearing reports -- this is from sources from one of our correspondents, Deborah Feyerick, that a gunman with a high-powered rifle entered terminal three and opened fire shooting a TSA security agent. It is unclear -- this is one of many things we do not know at this hour -- whether or not that gunman actually breached security. According to her sources, it does not appear that that individual did that. But also according to Deb, the gunman is believed to have been shot and is now in police custody.

We are hearing right now, as this is still underway here as you see a tremendous, tremendous law enforcement and first response presence at LAX, we are hearing from a number of eyewitnesses here and we're looking, as you can see, a couple of different boxes on your screen right now, aerial pictures. The right side of your screen, a bunch of planes that are just sitting there right around terminal three. And on the left-hand side of your screen, this is the passenger pickup and drop-off area, which has become sort of this makeshift triage area as well.

And in the last hour or so, we have seen people - this has been dubbed a multi-patient incident. So multiple people injured. We are working to get an update on those injuries. As we mentioned, one of whom is a TSA agent. Sarah Richardson is on the phone with me. She is at LAX.

Sarah, are you with me?

SARAH RICHARDSON, WITNESS (via telephone): Yes.

BALDWIN: Let me just ask you, first of all, how are you? Are you okay?

RICHARDSON: I'm OK.

BALDWIN: Tell me where you -

RICHARDSON: I'm OK.

BALDWIN: I hear - I hear your voice. Let me just begin -- let's start at the beginning. And if you can, just tell me, I understand you weren't quite through airport security when you heard shots, is that right?

RICHARDSON: We were about to go through the security.

BALDWIN: Sarah, are you OK?

RICHARDSON: Yes.

BALDWIN: I appreciate you calling in. We're just trying to get people information. And I am so sorry. I cannot imagine how you must feel. How all these people must feel. Many of them with kids, diving under seats, calling their loved ones. If you can hear me, just tell me what you saw.

RICHARDSON: We heard a lot of loud gunshots. And my colleague pulled me to the ground. We hit the ground, and tried to scoot behind something. Everyone was just scrambling along the ground. At which point, someone - someone from security told us to sprint and make a run for it. So we all sprinted. All our stuff is back there. And we got -- I got pulled into a hallway. My friend (INAUDIBLE) didn't get pulled into the hallway with me, so I started screaming her name, and we got pulled into a room that they pulled the copy machine in front of the door, and I was under a desk, at which point we weren't allowed to leave the room, but you could hear a lot of shouting and more gunshots outside the room.

BALDWIN: Are all of your friends -

RICHARDSON: At which point someone told us to go ahead and evacuate and they brought us into a terminal, but then they were telling us to run different directions and people ran into a bathroom to hide. Then they pulled us out to the sidewalk and said we were going to get bussed out, but then they pulled us back into the international terminal and now we're being told we're not allowed to leave.

BALDWIN: So at the moment, you are sitting somewhere, not quite sure what your next step is. Are all of your friends OK? Let me ask you that.

RICHARDSON: My friend's OK. She's in another terminal. She said that there's a bomb squad there. We're not really sure when we're going to get out of here.

BALDWIN: Did you see the gunman?

RICHARDSON: I didn't see him. Some of the people in the group that I got locked in the room with saw him.

BALDWIN: And what did they tell you about him?

RICHARDSON: They said he basically came out of nowhere, but it was pretty jarring that someone just randomly pulled a gun right in the middle of nowhere.

BALDWIN: Did they describe the gun?

RICHARDSON: The sound of it was so loud that the first time someone thought a bomb had gone off.

BALDWIN: And did they tell you, were they in the security line? Had this -- according to our reporting, this individual had not quite gone through airport security. Does that corroborate with what your friends or these other eyewitnesses had seen?

RICHARDSON: Yes, the people that saw him said it was where they checked your ID before you go through security.

BALDWIN: So in those moments, Sarah, when you hear these gunshots, how many shots did you hear?

RICHARDSON: I would think there were at least eight shots.

BALDWIN: What was happening around you?

RICHARDSON: Just pure and utter mayhem. I mean people were tripping over each other on the floor, bags everywhere, crying, screaming.

BALDWIN: And once you run into this room and someone grabs a copy machine and shoves it up against the door, what's everyone saying around you?

RICHARDSON: Everyone said to turn cell phone ringers off. People are holding each other's hands. They didn't want to open the door when the security manager came because we didn't know who it was.

BALDWIN: And you -- they were turning these cell phone ringers off because the fear was this person was roaming around the airport and you didn't want to make a sound, is that right?

RICHARDSON: Yes.

BALDWIN: Have you called your loved ones to tell them you're OK?

RICHARDSON: Yes.

BALDWIN: Where are your bags?

RICHARDSON: Somewhere with security. I left my wallet. I don't know. I don't know how I'm going to get out of here.

BALDWIN: What are they telling you, other than to stay put?

RICHARDSON: They're just telling us we can't leave. We don't know when we're going to be able to get out of here.

BALDWIN: Sarah Richardson, thank you so much for calling in. Our heart goes out to you and every single person to have suffered through something so horrendous. Sarah Richardson, thank you so much.

Tim Daly is now on the phone with me. He also was at LAX. He is being evacuated from the airport right now.

Tim, are you with me?

TIM DALY, ACTOR (via telephone): Can you hear me?

BALDWIN: Yes, I can. I can, just barely. So are you - I just talked to someone who's stuck at the airport right now. Are you able to get out? Tell me where you are.

DALY: (INAUDIBLE).

BALDWIN: Tim, it's Brooke Baldwin at CNN. I'm having a tough time hearing you. Can you hear me?

DALY: Yes, I can hear you very well, but I'm - my cell phone -

BALDWIN: Now I'm - now I'm hearing you. I'm hearing you. Go ahead and tell me - tell me where you are.

DALY: I'm in a tunnel on the way to baggage claims with about 300 to 400 people up against a wall, clearing a big passageway. There's probably 30 or so LAPD and SWAT people on the other side of the wall. We're being held here. We were just told they were going to question people, see if there were any witnesses, and maybe sort of identify everybody, make sure everyone is who they say they are.

BALDWIN: Are they allowing people to leave the airport or are they keeping all of you inside?

DALY: Well, I don't know what's going on outside, but right now we are in this tunnel and they're not letting us out.

BALDWIN: Tim, where were you? Did you hear the shots yourself?

DALY: Yes, I was in the first class lounge at Virgin America, and I was actually in a very bad place. I was leaning against the wall that -- right outside where the shots were fired. I only found that out after we were evacuated and we were standing probably 20 feet from a high-powered rifle, an AR-15 looking rifle on the ground with three clips nearby and a pair of black shoes and some people's shopping bags and other people's carry-on luggage strewn about. But a policeman was taking pictures of that rifle. So I can only assume that that was what was used by the shooter.

And as we were evacuating, we were told to be careful not to step in any blood or glass, because that would be evidence. We were evacuated in a different direction, so I didn't see any of that. And now we are in a tunnel, as I said, on the way to baggage claim. BALDWIN: I got it. Let me - let me -- take me back to this high- powered rifle that you're describing, that you saw about 20 feet from you. How close was this rifle, because we're all sort of trying to put the pieces together here, was it near the security checkpoint metal detector area?

DALY: No, not at all. It was right in the middle of the gates. It was outside gate 35 and 36 in terminal three. So it was where people sit. I had just been there. I had been in the lounge. My flight to Philadelphia was delayed, so I went down to buy a magazine. I went back up into the lounge a couple minutes before the gunfire started. So it was right in the middle of where everyone waits to get on their planes.

BALDWIN: After you heard the gunshots, can you just describe for me -- I'm hearing things like most terrifying experience in my life, mayhem, at that moment, I can't imagine just sheer panic. Were people running?

DALY: No. I mean people were obviously (INAUDIBLE) nervous in the lounge. And what happens about, you know, less than a minute after the shots heard were some LAPD burst into the lounge and that was terrifying. But we knew who it was. They had weapons drawn and were sort of herding everybody together to make sure that there was no bad guys, I guess, in the lounge. But, you know, having a gun pointed at you at any time is scary.

That being said, I think the L.A.P.D. has done an outstanding job of trying to keep people calm and organizing everybody. But that was pretty frightening when they burst in. And then we were sort of locked in there for probably almost an hour. Then we were brought down, as I said, about, you know, 20 or 30 feet away from where the rifle was on the ground in the middle of the waiting area. And now we remain in this tunnel.

BALDWIN: You are in a tunnel. You don't know what's next. Sometimes, to use your phrase, the bad guys, sometimes there's more than one. Do you get the sense from, you know, the orderly LA Police Department and the folks inside, airport police, security, et cetera, that at least it's contained, that the incident appears to be over?

DALY: Absolutely. I mean they seem very calm. Again, I have no idea what's going on outside, but inside the terminal, people are very calm and confident that it's over.

BALDWIN: Tim, thank you so much for calling in to us here at CNN as we're trying to understand exactly what in the world has been happening there. Incredibly frightening for all these people, these eyewitnesses, the people who have seen and heard the gunshots.

Deborah Feyerick with stellar sources, she joins me now with more as far as what, Deb, you heard happened. Take me back, specifically to the gunman who, according to you and your sources, didn't quite breach the security checkpoint, correct?

DEBORAH FEYERICK, CNN NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Yes, exactly. Well, here's what happened. The gunman walked up to the security checkpoint. He pulled out a concealed assault rifle. He opened fire. He hit one TSA agent. And then as he walked through that checkpoint, just before even getting to the other side, an officer opened fire, wounding and injured the gunman.

We're now being told that the gunman was removed and taken to a local hospital. There were other gunshot injuries. We're getting more information on that as well. About a dozen shots were fired between the gunman and the responding officer. A lot of people were injured during the stampede that occurred immediately after.

I'm told also that police are now searching the parking lot, looking for the gunman's vehicle. Clearly, they want to make sure that there are no -- either other weapons or explosive devices in the vehicle.

Also, Brooke, one of the reasons that people are sort of sheltering in place and why everybody is being kept where they are, and that is because -- that's because they are actually -- when they began to run during the panic, during the pandemonium, areas that are normally secure essentially became insecure. So now everybody is going to have to be screened again, everybody's going to have to be checked. That not only includes the people in the terminal, but it also includes people who were working there at the airport as well.

There was a huge presence when this shooting took place. About 100 witnesses. All of them, we are now told, are being questioned. But again, pandemonium when this hit. You've got the FBI responding. You've got LAPD. You've got police officers from LAX as well. Multiple shots done by the assault rifle.

Brooke.

BALDWIN: OK. And, Deborah Feyerick, thank you very much.

Let me just read what we now have from the TSA. This is a TSA union leader responding to the shooting. I'm just going to quote David Cox Sr. Quote, "we are sickened by reports of today's shooting at the Los Angeles International Airport. Our sincerest thoughts and prayers go out to the passengers and transportation security officers killed or injured in the heinous act. Thank you to all of our brave TSOs who put their lives on the line every day to keep the flying public safe. AFGE," that's the American Federation of Government Employees, "is monitoring the situation along with the TSA management." So that is from the TSA, specifically.

I can also tell you, in just about 15 minutes from now, we should be getting a news conference from LA Police, airport police as well. So that happening in 15 minutes to get some official word and some facts from the members of the law enforcement community.

And with regard to that statement, as this individual here mentioned injuries and deaths. I do have to say, CNN has not independently confirmed any deaths at LAX .

Casey Wian, let me go straight to you. You are standing outside of LAX. You have been reporting, as we're looking at aerial pictures from just outside the airport, I know the traffic has been horrendous, which is an incredible challenge for law enforcement to try to get there. Tell me what you're seeing.

CASEY WIAN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, you can see it right behind me, Brooke, some of the traffic that is backed up for miles on one of the roads approaching LAX. You can see where one of the runways behind all those cars that have -- are backed up there.

We have seen a few flights landing on that runway and a few flights taking off on the runway to the south side of the airport. But this traffic has been a major headache for the emergency responders trying to get here. About, I guess, 45 minutes or so ago, we saw the bomb squad, the LAPD bomb squad, trying to make its way to the airport. They could not get through this traffic for the longest period of time. And now you can see one of those planes I was talking about just landing overhead. So it is clear that hat ground stop that was in effect earlier at LAX does not apply to the entire airport. Some flights are taking off. Some flights are landing. Here you can see a police officer trying to make his way through this horrific traffic jam that is just surrounding the airport.

You cannot get in or out of LAX right now. We've seen some people taking to foot. One woman went by us a little while ago, had a four- mile walk to her home in Marina del Rey, but there's no other way she could get out of the airport but to walk. So it's creating quite a situation here outside the airport. Even while things inside the airport seem to be, at least for now, at least mostly under control, Brooke.

BALDWIN: Casey, let me just ask you quickly, we heard from Deborah Feyerick who's reporting what she's learned about the gunman who didn't quite, according to sources, breach airport security. We've learned about this, what looked like, according to an eyewitness, an assault rifle, possibly AR-15, we have not confirmed that, on the ground. Do you have a description of this individual at all yet?

WIAN: The only description I have heard, Brooke, of this individual was on KNX Radio here in Los Angeles and that was by a person who they said was an eyewitness to the shooting. And that person described an individual as a white male, a white clean-cut male. But we do not have any independent verification of that description.

BALDWIN: OK.

WIAN: That's just what's being reported on the radio here.

BALDWIN: OK, Casey Wian at LAX. Casey, stay close with me. As you get more information, we'll put you back up on TV live.

Meantime, in case you are just joining us, horror inside the LA International Airport this morning. Again, we are awaiting a news conference. It should be happening in just about 15 minutes from now. But you are looking at pictures, aerial pictures, from outside the airport. But it's the terror that went on inside.

According to our sources, and folks close to the investigation, there was a gunman who did not quite breach security who opened fire and shot a TSA agent. That TSA agent injured. Within the shooting back and forth between law enforcement and the gunman, multiple rounds went off. We now know that the gunman, who was hit, has been taken to a hospital.

And in just talking to people who were there, who heard the rapid succession of the gunshots, it's terrifying. It's been the most terrifying ordeal of many of these people's lives, as they've described. I talked to actor Tim Daly just a while ago who was in the first-class lounge for Virgin Galactic - Virgin Airlines, right around terminal three where this happened. He described hearing it. But he also described seeing this gun. In his words, again, not confirmed by CNN but in his words he saw a gun, a rifle, that looked like an AR-15 actually not quite close to the security checkpoint, rather he told me it was closer to the gates. Right around gates 35, 36, at LAX and that he said there were several clips on the ground, and there were also black shoes and blood. And so he, like many of these people who are actually inside the airport, are stuck. They don't know how long they will be inside the airport.

But Deborah Feyerick was telling us, because at least this seems contained, it seems over, every single person, passengers, folks who work at the airport, they have to be rescreened in order to clear the area and let them leave.

A lot is happening and a lot of questions at this hour as we keep looking at pictures and talking to folks who have seen things and heard things. I've got some questions about TSA and about what happens specifically at these checkpoints. Mary Schiavo is a former inspector general for the U.S. Department of Transportation. So Mary is joining me now.

And, Mary, my first question to you is, since we know, according to our sources, this shooting happened before this gunman, but right around the security checkpoint area, the metal detector area. Tell me how these TSA agents are trained to handle something like this.

MARY SCHIAVO, FORMER INSPECTOR GENERAL, DEPT. OF TRANSPORTATION: Well, they are trained to handle in a variety of ways, both defensive and somewhat offensive. But as people know, I mean all the TSA agents standing at the checkpoint aren't armed and aren't able to exchange gunfire. However, there are, and there are at Los Angeles, because we know this from the 2002 shooting at Los Angeles Airport, there are a number of armed and plain clothed police officers there as well.

But to actually defend the checkpoint against rounds from an automatic or semiautomatic weapon, they aren't exactly equipped to do that. They don't have, you know, the shielding necessary to defend themselves, and the TSA agent that took the bullet was obviously shielding, you know, shielding the airport and shielding the country without a lot of defensive armament or defensive firepower.

BALDWIN: Tell me just how much -- clearly, we, as people who travel, can see the visible changes as far as, you know, maybe pat-downs or some of these detectors as we go through security. But what really -- what are the significant changes since, let's say, 9/11, at our nation's airports? SCHIAVO: Well, the biggest changes are in the people doing the job themselves. They're now fully trained. They are educated. They've had the training necessary. They've actually been put through the schooling. For example, on September 11, 2001, most of the persons didn't have training, didn't speak English, many weren't citizens or even legally here and they didn't really know how to operate the equipment or what to do in an emergency. These TSA agents have been trained to do that and also they are trained to look for so many more things than they were on September 11th. Not to mention, weapons. This past year in the United States, there were more guns taken off passengers, albeit they had forgot that they had packed them, than at any time in history. So there are a lot of guns at the airport, but usually, remember, they're not pointed at the agents. They're trying to get them through or they've forgotten they're in the luggage. So being on the, you know, the other end of a gun is not really the purpose of a TSA agent because most persons with guns want to sneak them by the TSA.

BALDWIN: And, Mary, as we're looking at pictures of LAX and that is, you know, one of the busiest airports in the nation, lots of parts, lots of different areas, huge, huge place, just can you talk about just the challenges one would face with an active shooter situation, as they had earlier today, just the challenges facing airport security, airport police, you know, LA Police to come in to clear and secure this massive space.

SCHIAVO: Well, you make a great point, because there are so many different agencies involved. I was living in LA at the 2002 shooting at LAX In that shooting, three people died, the gunman and two innocent bystanders. And that was at the (INAUDIBLE) ticket counter. And what was interesting there is, we had not only the federal security, airport security personnel, the TSA, homeland security, et cetera, but you also have local police who have jurisdiction over anything local, but then technically the investigation belongs to the Federal Bureau of Investigation. So you have a number of police agencies, or law enforcement agencies, that have to coordinate.

Now, LAX is particularly unique because there's one way in to all of the terminals and one way out. And the road funnels down to a two to three lane highway and then it circles through the airport. And they're elevated. Those are elevated highways. So when those are blocked, there really is no way in or no way out for the vehicle traffic. You literally have to -- you can, of course, you know, move aside for the emergency vehicles, but because those are elevated roadways into the airport, you really have a gridlock at LAX when it stops. There's just no other way there.

BALDWIN: Well, we know there's gridlock just outside of LAX. I mean imagine the traffic that is now for miles as you have additional law enforcement units trying to, you know, respond. Help their fellow officers and fellow first responders and they, quite frankly, can't get there. And then you have the people who were able to land who are walking, as we have heard, for miles and miles to try to get home in the LA area.

Let me ask you this. We heard from Deborah Feyerick, who was reporting, really the biggest variable is what happens now with all of these people who are stuck. That, quite frankly, that's just what they are, they're stuck inside this airport.

SCHIAVO: Yes.

BALDWIN: And we were hearing from Deborah that according to her sources, every single person has to be rescreened before they let them out. And that doesn't even include, like, the baggage. I imagine that's a whole other challenge. But how does an airport rescreen these masses of people?

SCHIAVO: Well, the airport has to rescreen everybody going back into the sterile area or the air operations area, meaning the terminal past security or the tarmac area where some people actually got out onto the tarmac trying to escape the gunman.

BALDWIN: Right.

SCHIAVO: First of all, that has to be emptied of people and then rescreened. Now, the people have to be rescreened two ways. People leaving the airport have to be interviewed by law enforcement for any evidentiary information they might have. You know, who saw the gunman? Who saw what? Were they talking to anyone else? Is it possible there's anyone else involved? Did he plant any bombs? Did he plant anything?

And then the people going back into the airport have to be screened by the TSA. And you can bet that that screening will be very meticulous, as it should be anyway. But - so there's two-way screening, screening out for evidence, screening in for security.

BALDWIN: And then, of course, screening and ripping through, as we've heard from some of these eyewitnesses, the baggage as well. So it's the people, their bags.

Mary Schiavo, thank you so much for explaining to us just the multiple challenges that these folks face as again many of these people are stuck after enduring an incredibly harrowing experience inside LAX.

Mary, actually stand by for me, because I want to just play some sound as we're getting some bits and pieces from people who saw, who heard things this morning inside right around the terminal three area. I want to play something. This is an eyewitness who apparently saw the gunman.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There was a guy downstairs, started shooting. And one guy fell down. Panic erupted, and he was heading up through the security check.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: So you were standing in line and you saw the man open fire? Describe what happened.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Just three loud pops, and everybody started panicking.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: What did you do?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I laid down on the ground. And luckily he just went straight through the security check and into the terminal.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And so at that point then you laid down on the ground. Law enforcement came in. And did they round up everybody to take them out?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Mostly everybody just ran on their own and didn't take long before the law enforcement come.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: So you saw - you saw one shooter?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes ,one shooter.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And you saw him shoot a TSA agent?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He shot one guy downstairs, yes.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Alex, thank you. You're one of many tourists here. You're traveling on vacation here. And you walked over here. You may be here for some time because the airport is shut down --

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Sarah, don't - don't let -

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes. Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Don't let Alex get away. Let me ask him, can he describe what the shooter looked like? You know, as you said, we've heard that he was wearing military fatigues. What was he -- how was he dressed?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Did you see him dressed in camo? Because we were hearing that he was dressed in some type of camo or military garb.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He had kind of grayish green clothing on.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Did you also get a look at the weapon?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It was an assault weapon, I think. I don't know guns, but it was a rifle.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Did you see the - see law enforcement take down the suspect?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No, I was outside of the terminal.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Thank you, Alex.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BALDWIN: One of the eyewitnesses there describing the gunman. You heard him, wearing gray clothing with what appeared to be - he's no expert, what appeared to be an assault rifle. And that corroborates with what we're hearing from sources and also from eyewitnesses we have spoken with. Steve Moore, let me bring you in. You are a retired FBI special agent. Worked closures for suspected terrorist incidents at LAX both as a terrorist supervisor and SWAT member.

So, Steve, my first question just really pertained to, here we have this massive airport. And I suppose if you were to find a silver lining, it's the fact that there have to be cameras everywhere, correct?

STEVE MOORE, RETIRED SUPERVISORY SPECIAL AGENT, FBI: Yes, you're going to be able to trace him from the time he walked into the terminal, all the way through to everything he did. That's going to be helpful. But right now you've got the big - the big problem of clearing the entire airport. And the reason these people are being held is not just to make sure everything is clear, as you've already said, but it is - it is very possible that the gunman didn't act alone. And so you have to insure that he did. And the way you do that is to interview and identify everybody there because maybe he had a partner, maybe he chickened out and is now trying to blend in to the crowd. Maybe this is one of those attacks that is just designed to channel people from one area to another where something bigger happens. So there's so many, so many things that you have to guard against here that the cleanup, essentially, is going to take hours and hours.

BALDWIN: On that point that -- and we don't know, and again, we're awaiting this news conference from L.A.P.D., who may be able to clarify. But, Steve, when you talk about the fact that this gunman may have had help and is part of the questioning of these masses of people here at this airport, how would an investigator know when they're questioning these people, many of whom are completely incident, how can they tell? What kind of questions are they asking to know whether or not someone else was in on this?

MOORE: Well, you know, my guess here is that everybody is going to be completely innocent. But what you are going to do is ask them a series of questions to find out if everything they're saying makes logical sense. And you're going to compare it against the situation you had with the guy who was the shooter. Did that guy have a ticket? Did that guy drive here? Did he get a cab, whatever. If you're -- if you know that this guy didn't have a ticket, if you know that this guy just showed up here, it's going to - it's going to make things easier. But if he had a ticket, you're going to find anybody else who might have had a ticket at a similar time, on a similar flight, and you're - its -- I don't want to use the word profiling as far as racially is concerned, but you are going to profile his actions. You are going to find out what he was doing and find anybody who was acting or had a plan in a similar way.

BALDWIN: OK, so those are some of the questions, as you point out, I think a lot of those folks aren't going anywhere for hours at LAX as they are saying (ph).

MOORE: They're all going to be talked to.

BALDWIN: They're all going to be talked to.