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Questions For Malaysian Investigators; Can Underwater Vehicle Find The Plane?

Aired April 13, 2014 - 14:00   ET

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FREDRICKA WHITFIELD, CNN ANCHOR: Hello, everyone. I'm Fredricka Whitfield. You're in the CNN NEWSROOM.

We're watching two big stories this afternoon. The search area is expanding in the Indian Ocean for missing Malaysia Flight 370. This, as the search moves into day 38.

Also, we're following breaking news in Ukraine where violence and tensions are quickly escalating. Here, you're about to see masked men pinning a man against a wall. This is in a town only about 100 miles from Ukraine's border with Russia. And keep in mind, this is happening just a month after Crimea voted to secede from Ukraine and join Russia, a move the rest of the world has not recognized.

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WHITFIELD: It's also where those masked men took over the police headquarters. This video, all new in to the CNN NEWSROOM. Ukrainian security forces claim to have launched an operation to clear those pro-Russia protesters out. But a CNN crew in the city saw no signs of a large Ukrainian security force.

And this video just in this afternoon. It is social media video that reportedly shows pro-Ukraine protesters beaten and bloody. CNN cannot confirm the authenticity of this video.

All right, let's take you live to Nick Paton Walsh, who is in Danesk (ph). That' about 130 miles from the Russian border. So, Nick, the situation in Eastern Ukraine is very volatile right now. What is the Ukrainian government's response to all of this violence?

NICK PATON WALSH, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Well, we've seen a really troubling spiral into violence now in the last 36 hours. And now, President Turchynov has released a statement in which he offers two things: an amnesty to those who are willing to lay down their arms by what would be 9:00 tomorrow morning local time, but also the promise of military intervention to stop what they call terrorist actions here if that amnesty isn't taken. Let's see what he had to say.

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OLEKSANDER TURCHYNOV, ACTING PRESIDENT OF UKRAINE: We did everything to avoid human victims, but we are ready to give an answer to all attempts at invasion, destabilization and armed terrorist actions. The National Security and Defense Council took the decision to launch a full-scale, antiterrorist operation with the participation of the armed forces of Ukraine. We won't let Russia repeat the Crimean scenario in the eastern region of Ukraine.

For those who didn't shoot our soldiers, who will put weapons down and leave the captured administrative buildings by Monday, I signed a decree to guarantee they will not receive any punishment for their actions.

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WALSH: Well, in that speech, too, there was the offer of decentralization of some government power here, which is a bit of what the protestors really want, although some of them pretty staunchly pro-referendum that will bring eastern Ukraine into the Russian federation. It's deeply troubling here, Fredricka. We've seen a massive change from tense standoffs to open gunfire now. We've been going round. The cities in question been referring to, circle now, almost around where I'm standing it seems police stations and government buildings repeatedly fall, to pro-Russian militants at first and then behind them, pro-Russian protests to occupy those particular buildings.

A senior Ukrainian security official says the antiterror operation this morning, based (INAUDIBLE) and launched, didn't actually get past the outskirts of the town. Video showing in fact from social media that the APC sent in the armed personnel carriers who were in fact in a gunfire exchange way outside of the towns. Then they explained in a decision to pass any future terror operations toward the military here.

But the real question lurking in everybody's mind is can Ukraine muster enough force to resist these pro-Russia militants? And if they do decide that they are able to do that, what is the response from Russia? The Russian foreign minister clearly saying Ukraine must stop waging war against its own people. In the back of everybody's mind, that implicit threat of the past few weeks that Russian troops, 40,000 of them just across the Ukrainian-Russian border, may intervene if the Kremlin thinks that its compatriots or pro-Russian supporters here are somehow having their rights abused. Deeply worrying times ahead. Fredricka?

WHITFIELD: All right. Volatility that only seems to be heightening. Thank you so much, Nick Paton Walsh.

All right. So What is the Obama administration saying about the latest moves in Ukraine? Here is U.N. Ambassador Susan (sic) Power on ABC's "This Week."

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SAMANTHA POWER, U.S AMBASSADOR TO THE U.N.: It has all of the telltale signs that we saw in Crimea. It's professional. It's coordinated. There's nothing grassroots seeming about it. I think we've seen that the sanctions can bite, and if actions like the kind we've seen over the last few days continue, you're going to see a ramping up of those sanctions.

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WHITFIELD: That's Samantha Power. And Vice President Joe Biden travels to Kiev, Ukraine in about a week. The White House says, quote, "The vice president will underscore the United States' strong support for a united, democratic Ukraine that makes its own choices about its future path," end quote.

All right, and the other big story that we're following right now. The search area for missing Flight 370 is now getting bigger after days of shrinking. Today officials in Australia said crews were searching a 22,000 square mile area in the Indian Ocean. That's expanded about 40 percent from yesterday's search area.

And the big focus is still trying to find the pings that crews heard last week, which are consistent with a plane's black box. Well, nothing credible has been heard since Tuesday. Will Ripley is following every step of the surge in Perth, Australia. So Will, what's the latest on the efforts today, and why is the search area being expanded?

WILL RIPLEY, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Yes, as you mentioned, we're now on day 38 here in Perth, just hours from now, planes will be once again taking off, heading out to that newly, larger visual search area.

The reason why we're told the visual search area has expanded is simply they continue to refine this data. They are looking at the currents, they're analyzing where they think the debris field may have floated from the time they think the plane went into the Indian Ocean to now. Keep in mind, it's a moving target. These are -- this is debris that would be obviously be affected by weather conditions, by the currents.

And really it's a guess. It's an educated guess as to where this might be. The planes continue to search one area, don't find anything, they mark that area and move on to the next. So, that's the visual search happening.

And then of course what has gotten so much attention, especially over the last week, is the underwater search where we have the U.S. Navy's listening device, the towed pinger locator behind that Australian ship. We have Australian Air Force jets that are flying over, dropping these sonobuoys with listening devices. And then we have a British ship in that area listening as well. All of them trying to see if there is any more ping to be heard from the in-flight data recorders. But it's been nearly a week now since we've heard a ping. We have four - two that the data has come back where they absolutely believe was coming from some sort of black box, and the data analysis on the other two pings is still pending. Those pings were of course much weaker.

At some point soon, Fred, the decision is going to have to be made, what are we going to do? Are we going to switch this search? Meaning, are search crews going to stop listening and actually start deploying the underwater submersible to scan the ocean floor with side scan sonar? But as we've been telling you, once they decide to do that, this whole process becomes even slower and more grueling than it already is.

WHITFIELD: OK. Thank you so much. Will Ripley, appreciate that. We'll talk more about that later on in the hour.

So up next, more on Flight 370. I'll bring in our panel and ask them if they think this is a big step backwards in the search for the missing 777.

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WHITFIELD: All right. Back to more on the missing flight. Searchers for Flight 370 are once again looking in an expanded area. After more study of ocean currents and other data, the search area is now some 40 percent larger than it was yesterday. So is this a case of taking two steps back in the search for the plane?

Let's go now to our panel at this hour. Bob Francis is the former vice chairman of the NTSB. CNN aviation analyst Mary Schiavo is a former inspector general for the U.S. Department of Transportation. She's now an aviation attorney who represents families suing airline in crashes and disasters. And Andrew (sic) Carr is a sonar expert and the president of American Underwater Search and Survey.

Okay. So more study of currents and data has led them to expand the search area to about 22,000 square miles. What does this mean to you, Bob? Is this a setback or is this encouraging?

BOB FRANCIS, FORMER VICE CHAIR, NTSB: I think it's encouraging.

WHITFIELD: Why?

FRANCIS: Well, because they are clearly getting more and more confidence in the techniques and the equipment that they are using to try to pin down where the aircraft went in. So they are more comfortable with what they have now. The fact that it is larger than what it was before just means that -- obviously they are more confident in the accuracy of that, and it's progress.

WHITFIELD: So Mary, I think conventional wisdom, for those of us not in the business of this aviation expertise as all of you are -- I think most of us would think that to triangulate the area, to shrink the field of the search, would mean that would be the direction that these searchers would want to go. Why is this to boost the confidence to expand the area, to make it bigger?

MARY SCHIAVO, CNN AVIATION ANALYST: Well, I also think that, you know, the pinger batteries have undoubtedly stopped at this point. So what they have from under the water is all they have. And I suspect that they were also going to take sort of one last effort and really do an extra push and probably push the envelope on the search area to see if just by any chance they couldn't expand the area and maybe hopefully see some wreckage before they start with those Bluefins underwater because at that point there would be no more searching for pings and they will have only the data points that they have. And that could mean a very long underwater search -- or not, if they get lucky. But I think it's just one last final burst of energy. Let's go out there and comb it once more for that wreckage.

WHITFIELD: So Arnold, it would seem that because there has not been a ping in now five days, that clearly the batteries must be dead, and perhaps there isn't going to be this pinging sound. Why not just go ahead and put in the Bluefins?

ARNOLD CARR, PRESIDENT, AMERICAN UNDERWATER SEARCH AND SURVEY: I would think that they are trying a little harder. The batteries weaken, they don't stop abruptly. So if you can bring a vehicle or a probe down close, you can see it when you get much closer, maybe a kilometer or two away. And then, of course, it's going to gradually turn to nothing.

I have one comment, though, on the search area. I was concerned about the expanding search area, but as far as I understand, that's for debris on the sea surface, and it's a good thing to do. You really need verification. Right now, it's almost like dealing with a third party, the ping. And surface debris hindcast through good oceanography and meteorology will further substantiate the probable area.

WHITFIELD: So because reportedly this study of ocean currents and other data is why the search area is being expanded, when you talk about the aerial searches, clearly because of drift, if there is to be debris, Arnold, you're saying it would have traveled even further, and that helped justify this 22,000 square-mile area?

CARR: Yes. That's as I understand it. And frankly, the debris usually is at the sea surface from the event where the aircraft meets the water. And then after that, little unknown debris would really come to the surface. So you really have to expand the area to really look at the conditions.

WHITFIELD: Mary, as we enter a new week, a new search week and we're entering week five now of this area, what do you want to see happen in this week? What kind of assets do you believe it's time to get at the ready to take this search to another level?

SCHIAVO: Well, I think at this point --

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WHITFIELD: Oh, that's for Mary. Go ahead.

SCHIAVO: I think that they are undoubtedly readying for the underwater search because if the batteries on the pingers are really dead, then there's nothing more to be gained once they assure themselves that that has happened, and they will be readying for the underwater part. We've heard about them getting a logistic ship from the United States to help support the mission.

And that can be very slow going. It's going to take a long time just to get the submersibles deployed. They have to bring them back up and unload the data. It's going to be slow going. The fastest that they can go, I understand, is 40 square miles a day. But this is going to be much slower because they have to pick their way through the great depth and try to get clear pictures. So I think they are getting ready for that. I wouldn't be surprised if that is what takes place this week.

WHITFIELD: And Bob, what do you want to see this week?

FRANCIS: I certainly want to see them proceeding with that. I also hope that throughout all of this, we won't lose sight of the import of moving to new technologies that will allow us to avoid what we are going through now and what we went through with Air France and to be able to have the aircraft downloading through satellites what is going on on either a periodic basis or when there is a problem.

That won't apply to all aircraft. It will apply only to aircraft presumably that are doing entrance oceanic flights. But I hope that the immediacy of the search that is going on does not divert us from the import of making sure that this doesn't happen again.

WHITFIELD: Arnold, do you see this week as a potential turning point, meaning, the readying of new devices that will be employed to help with this search?

CARR: Yes. It's really coming time to launch the underwater vehicle, the unmanned underwater vehicle and set up a search pattern. Before they launch that vehicle, though,, they so have to set up waypoints underwater with hydrophones specifically located so the vehicle can systematically mow the lawn and really track prescribed areas of high priority.

WHITFIELD: All right, Arnold Carr, Bob Francis, Mary Schiavo, thank you so much. I'll check back with you later on in this hour. And we'll have much more on this mystery surrounding Flight 370.

But first, a fast-moving wildfire in Chile destroys hundreds of homes.

And after brutal questioning and tearful testimony, Oscar Pistorius is expected back on the stand in his murder trial this week.

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WHITFIELD: Well get back to the mystery surrounding Flight 370 in a moment. But first, other news. Here's Nick Valencia. Hi Nick.

NICK VALENCIA, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Hi good afternoon, Fred. Twenty-two minutes past the hour now. Let's catch you up on the headlines.

The NTSB is now investigating the cause of last week's deadly collision between a FedEx truck and a bus carrying high school seniors in Northern California. Ten people, including five students were killed. And officials say blood samples from both drivers could provide information about whether drugs or alcohol may have been in their systems. But he stressed that investigators aren't coming to premature conclusions about the cause of the accident.

South Africa, Monday, marks week six in the murder trial of Oscar Pistorius trial and day six of his testimony. Prosecutor Gerry Knell is expected to continue his so-called "bulldog" questioning of the former Olympic athlete. Pistorius broke down during earlier testimony, claiming he accidentally shot and killed girlfriend Reeva Steenkamp. Key points in the case include whether police contaminated evidence the scene and whether Steenkamp was heard screaming before she was killed.

In Chile, at least 11 people have died as fast-moving wildfires continue to spread there. More than 1,200 wildfires are battling at least two blazes in the Pacific coast region. So far, fires have destroyed more than 500 homes. Look at those pictures there. More than a dozen aircraft are joining police to prevent lootin in the areas abandoned by residents. Authorities call it one of the worst fires in the country's history.

And more cruise passengers are getting sick. For the second straight week the CDC says more than 100 people on Royal Caribbean's Grandeur of the Seas have come down with an illness. The CDC is trying to figure out what caused it.

Meanwhile, another ship, Princess Cruiseline's Crowned Princess was also hit by sickness. More than 150 people on board there got sick before it returned at a port in Los Angeles yesterday.

The United Nations has issues a new report issued on climate change. It says it may not be too late for countries to avert the more serious consequences of global warming. The report released in (AUDIO GAP) on Sunday says governments will have to act quickly and aggressively to cut the fast pace of greenhouse gas emissions. In addition, they say climate change can be reduced by expanding the use of renewable energy and storing greenhouse gases underground.

Tuesday marks one year since the Boston Marathon bombings. As the city prepares for the big race on April 21st, residents joined together to once again prove they are Boston strong. Saturday's Sports Illustrated magazine Fans -- invited fans to come to the site and take pictures of this year's finish line and photos. One will be selected as the cover of next week's issue. At least 36,000 participants are expected at this year's race - 9,000 more runners than last year.

On my way back from Fort Hood last week, I saw a couple of Boston, and they said this is still very much on their minds. They lived in that area. A lot of people affected there in Boston by the bombing. Even if they weren't on the finish line, the community was shut down for so long.

WHITFIELD: Oh, absolutely. And that big picture, that really brought together a lot of people, people who traditionally go to the races, a lot of residents, as you said. First responders as well, many wearing blue and yellow, which are colors of the Boston Marathon. So t was a nice moment, a real prelude to what will be a really touching and bittersweet kind of anniversary this coming Tuesday. Thanks, Nick.

VALENCIA: Thanks, Fred.

WHITFIELD: Appreciate that.

VALENCIA: You got it.

WHITFIELD: All right. Straight ahead, still trying to get answers on that missing plane, and it's been an increasingly difficult task.

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NIC ROBERTSON, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Yes, when precisely will the civilians -- you don't have to push.

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WHITFIELD: Tensions with Malaysian officials are reaching a boiling point. What questions they don't want to answer, next.

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WHITFIELD: Hello again, everyone. I'm Fredricka Whitfield. We're following every development on the missing Malaysia Airlines Flight 370.

Australian officials said today search crews are combing through a now expanded area. The red boxes on this map you're about to see show the visual search area today, and all of the gray spots are places crews have already searched. But so far no signs of any debris.

And the one shred of evidence, the four pings consistent with black boxes, haven't been heard since Tuesday. This whole mystery has led to more questions than answers, and the Malaysian government has been appeared reluctant or unable to release any more details. Nic Robertson gives his firsthand account of the tension between officials and journalists.

ROBERTSON: Mr. Minister, hello, good morning. Nic Robertson from CNN. How are you?

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I'm happy to see you later. I'm just doing my walk about.

ROBERTSON: We've requested an interview many times.

(voice-over): With that, the man heading Malaysia's hunt for missing Flight 370 is off. Hishammuddin Hussein, Malaysia's defense minister and acting transport minister is hosting an international arms fair, from helicopters to tanks to guns. Reporters invited along. Some questions apparently not so welcome. You don't have to push.

As his tour continues, his aides advise us to wait for his press conference. That's good, because the question just refused to answer, when the military told civilians here they picked up Flight 370 on their radar, is an increasingly contested question.

(on camera): Precisely when did the military inform the Department of Civil Aviation about what they saw on the radar?

HISHAMMUDDIN HUSSEIN, ACTING MALAYSIAN TRANSPORT MINISTER: I said earlier --

ROBERTSON (voice-over): No answer, then. He doesn't want Flight 370 questions. But as the conference continues, it turns out some Flight 370 questions are OK.

(on camera): Tell us, are you any closer to deciding who will extract the data from the black box?

HUSSEIN: Yes, we are getting closer to that issue. The attorney general in the U.K. is discussing exactly that.

ROBERTSON: Two days ago you said even the passengers were under investigation, but a week ago the IG of the police said passengers cleared from the investigation. Which is it?

HUSSEIN: That has been clarified. Unless we find more information, specifically on data in the black box, I don't think any chief of police will be in a position to say that they are cleared.

ROBERTSON: Are you in a position to rule out terrorism?

HUSSEIN: We can have a separate session with CNN later.

ROBERTSON (voice-over): Questions still waiting to be answered. Nic Robertson, CNN, Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia.

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WHITFIELD: All right, thanks so much, Nic. So what do we make of the Malaysian part of the investigation at this point. Let's bring back that panel, Bob Francis, Mary Schiavo and Arnold Carr. Welcome back. So we just saw the acting transport minister contradict what a top police official have said about clearing passengers. Is this an issue of Malaysian internal agencies just simply not working together or is it that it's an unusual set of circumstances and not everyone is communicating at their best? Bob, you first.

FRANCIS: Well, I think the Malaysian performance since the beginning has been -- has been very, very unfortunate and weak. One of the things I was thinking about today is I wonder how specifically they have worked with the French after the Air France accident or the U.S. after the Swiss Air accident and really talked to them in a meaningful way. I know that there is an NTSB group out in Kuala Lumpur and I would wonder, given the way that the Malaysians are acting, whether they are benefiting from that as much as they might.

WHITFIELD: So Mary, is there a way in which the Malaysian authorities can recover from this? Because certainly it's been very messy at the beginning and I guess it could only worsen, but at what point and how can they recover from this since there are still no clear answers about anything -- the circumstances of this flight?

SCHIAVO: I think the best thing they can do at this point is appoint this joint task force to lead the investigation further even after recovery of the black boxes because when did the military tell them that they had information? When did they have the Inmarsat data and tell the world to stop looking in the South China Sea? There are so many disconnects here that I think their credibility was shot, but it also leads me to believe that they have some internal governmental problems, which will probably cloud the investigation.

For example, there's something weird about this radar and their refusal to report, their refusal to say what it is and the only thing they will say is that they lost contact with the plane for 125 miles. Where there is smoke, there is fire. There is something wrong with this radar data.

WHITFIELD: And so Arnold, does this make you even more worried about any data that could be collected? Say a black box or any kind of debris is collected. Malaysia ends up being the central figure in the ongoing investigations. Do you worry about whether they can handle, whether they can secure any data if it comes to that? To you, Arnold.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The same question?

WHITFIELD: Well, this question is really about trusting Malaysian authorities as to if there is any data, any evidence that is collected, whether it be the black boxes or it becomes debris, ultimately it may make its way to Malaysia. Do you worry about whether Malaysian authorities have the capacity to secure this type of evidence or data? Handle it?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I think the real important thing is to have multiple representatives in the retrieval process right from where it breaks the surface on to the craft and then transporting it to respected authority on really recording recorders and processing the recorders. Two of the best, as I think it has been said, the U.K. and the United States NSTB. You really need more than one person with the recorders every moment.

WHITFIELD: And Mary, do you have any worries in that area? If these agencies can't seem to get together, as you just underscored, then what happens if there is hard core evidence coming from the collection of evidence or material from this search in the Indian Ocean?

SCHIAVO: Well, the best thing is to have more than one set of eyes, more than one country on it. If you're suspect about the handling of the investigation, which the world is certainly suspect about the ability of the Malaysians and not picking on them. They have said it themselves, they are not able to do this black box data. The best thing to do is to keep a consortium of individuals working on it. The U.S., AAIB, BEA, France, they all can do it. Australia can do it and then you don't have the investigation corrupted by claims of self- interests, like the Malaysians, because it's a government airline, et cetera. I think the consortium is the way to go.

WHITFIELD: And then Bob, I wonder, you know, with all of this confusion, with the missteps or mixed messages, do you think that investigators need to return to some of the initial theories? Might this plane not be in the Indian Ocean? Could it be that the trajectory that we were given by authorities is incorrect? Might it have gone a different direction? Might that plane have gone down on land? Do you think it's time to revisit any of those theories?

FRANCIS: I would assume that these theories are under constant study as the focus continues in the ocean. And one of the things that I think is important to remember here, presumably this investigation is being done using the party system which is IKAO and it's very clear who are parties to the investigation, the country of registry, the country of manufacturer, et cetera, et cetera. So unless the Malaysians decide to ignore the party system and there were some indications early on that they were doing that, but certainly everyone that is responsible in this investigation has to make sure that the appropriate and designated parties to this investigation all are -- have access to all of the information as it comes in.

WHITFIELD: All right, Bob, Mary, Arnold, thank you so much. We'll check back with you momentarily.

All right, so what do we know about the captain of Flight 370? Next, some revealing clues from social media.

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WHITFIELD: As the mystery surrounding Flight 370 intensifies so do the questions about the pilot. What kind of person was he? Some answers can be found in social media as Sumnima Udas reports.

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SUMNIMA UDAS, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): "Good night Malaysia 370," those last few words spoken by the captain of the plane, Zaharie Ahmad Shah, sources close to the investigation say, bringing the 53- year-old pilot's background in focus once again. CAPTAIN ZAHARIE AHMAD SHAH: Hi, everybody. This is a YouTube video that I made.

UDAS: Of all the mysteries surrounding the disappearance of 370, a distinct image of the captain emerges on social media. In this 16- minute video, Zaharie explains how to optimize an air conditioner to reduce electricity bills. His Facebook page full of pictures of spruced up gadgets indulging in what friends say was his passion. A photo of what appears to be his much talked about his flight simulator.

A true aviation enthusiast, there are dozens of pictures of model helicopters and planes. At least until about a year ago, his Facebook posts show that Zaharie was passionate about politics, in this post, urging people to vote out the current government, referring to the ruling coalition, he writes, 50 years in power by a single party does not say much about democracy in the country.

He's known to be a supporter of the opposition party's Anwar Ibrahim, but perhaps what stands out most is his love for food and cooking, from Malaysian flat rice noodles to curry, he appears happy. His posts trail off around the fall of 2013. His last Facebook post, January 3rd, 2014. A pilot with more than 35 years of experience, passion for the job and some interesting hobbies, but nothing in the social media posts appear to suggest foul play.

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UDAS: Most of the captain's friends we spoke to, Fredricka, say he was a very kind and humble man. They don't believe that he could have done anything to hurt anybody.

WHITFIELD: So if there seems to be nothing that suggests foul play, why the intense scrutiny about his background?

UDAS: Well, investigators are really investigating all aspects right now. Officials say somebody deliberately turned that plane, steered that plane towards the wrong direction, made that sharp turn and around Indonesia to avoid radar. Whoever that somebody was had to be an experienced pilot. So we've seen since the beginning investigators going to his house, examining his flight simulator, talking to his family, talking to this friends. But it's not just the pilot, really.

The investigators are looking into all possibilities right now. The acting transport minister here saying that nobody has been cleared from the investigation. None of the passengers, none of the crew members, and the Malaysian police chief has said, I've already questioned 205 people so far related to those on board the flight and also the crew members -- Fredricka.

WHITFIELD: And then what's the latest from family members? What are they saying about him and the continued suspicions?

UDAS: Well, the response there has been pretty much consistent all along. They say they don't want to believe anything until they actually see some sort of evidence, some sort of proof. They are holding on to hope and that's been consistent, Fredricka, all along.

WHITFIELD: All right, Sumnima Udas, thank you so much.

We're going to shift gears quite a bit now because guess what, tonight is premier night on CNN with Anthony Bourdain followed by Morgan Spurlock. And see how Spurlock becomes part of the paparazzi. What is it like chasing celebrities with the camera? A preview, next.

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WHITFIELD: The season premier of Anthony Bourdain's Emmy-winning "PARTS UNKNOWN" is tonight. The first up, Anthony goes to India where he explores Punjab cuisine. Catch the view from the top tonight at 9:00 Eastern Time. You don't want to miss it. And then premiering right after Bourdain is the second season premier of Morgan Spurlock "INSIDE MAN." Here is a preview.

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MORGAN SPURLOCK, HOST, CNN'S "INSIDE MAN": I am the worst paparazzi ever. Kim Kardashian is flying in from Paris. Being a photographer is a real skill. It's a skill that I don't really have. I did not get great shots. It's like you're these little guys who are running and chasing down whether they are at the airport or outside someone's house. It's like a little school of piranhas that are going around to feed and then you go off to something else.

A lot of them get a bad rap. There are some who are good guys and have families and just doing this to make a living who have a real code of ethics who say I'm not going to take a picture of somebody's kid because I've got a kid and then others will say, no, that's what I want. They have no qualms about doing the most ridiculous or disgusting things to make a buck.

Ever feel bad for doing what you do?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Iif I felt bad for what I did, I wouldn't do it.

SPURLOCK: The big takeaway for me is the cowboy culture is much more to blame. They are the ones who are more responsible because they are the ones who put the bounty on the photographs and the bounty on the celebrities and they establish the price of what they are going to pay for these pictures. So I think the paps are there to make a buck and if you say we'll give you 10,000, $15,000 for this photograph, guys are going to chase and do everything that they can to get the photograph. So I think those guys, do they put themselves in situations that are dangerous? Of course they do. But I think the magazines are the bigger problem.

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WHITFIELD: Again, that's tonight at 10:00 Eastern Time at Morgan Spurlock, "INSIDE MAN."

Now ahead this hour, what will it take to find that plane? We'll show you the latest tool that will be deployed. First, Fred Pleitgen takes us on a unique tour with a sports legend.

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FRED PLEITGEN, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): When Boris Becken took me on a tour of his hometown, it seems there was a memory on every corner.

BORIS BECKEN, TENNIS GREAT: This was the home that I was born. That was my candy store, before and after school. That's my kindergarten. These are the original courts. I want to show you my very first coach. When I was little, my parents were too busy and I wasn't allowed to go on the court, that's where I played for hours. It's a city square.

PLEITGEN: Here we are.

BECKEN: Standing on the famous terrace. It looked so much bigger then.

PLEITGEN: Beer and sausage.

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(COMMERCIAL BREAK) WHITFIELD: They are using a lot of manpower to find that missing Malaysian jet, but it just might be a certain machine that discovers any wreckage. We're talking about autonomous underwater vehicles, commonly called AUVs. CNN's Rosa Flores is in Fall River, Massachusetts, to explain how they work and what they do -- Rosa.

ROSA FLORES, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, Fred, I'm inside a lab that belongs to Ocean Server, a company that manufacturers AUVs. You can see them all around me. Take a close look. This device has thousands of little pieces, but one main purpose, and that is to find debris in the ocean floor.

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FLORES (voice-over): This probe is the latest technology that could be used to find Flight MH370. Using side scan sonar, it searches for things that don't belong beneath the sea.

(on camera): What is side scan sonar?

BOB ANDERSON, PRESIDENT, OCEANSERVER: Well, side scan sonar is an acoustic technology that is based on reflections of sound rather than reflections of light.

FLORES (voice-over): The autonomous underwater vehicle, an AUV, is gathering information to create a map of the sea floor. This time, it's the bottom of a Massachusetts reservoir. But it could be the depths of the Indian Ocean.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The side scan consists of an electronics package which is inside the vehicle. It is basically a computer that processes the data to make the pulse and to bring back the pulse and configure it into an image.

FLORES: It moves back and forth along the surface, but some AUVs can dive deep into the ocean. Sonar helps identify and find debris like this submerged car.

JEFF DEARRUDA, TECHNICIAN, OCEANSONAR: Once we identify the target, we did this cross pattern and then if we zoom in here. So we pull in that sonar file, went to that location and got a better high def image of that car.

FLORES: In the case of Flight 370, an AUV would face a number of obstacles that could stretch this entire process out for months or years. To get a real-time close-up image, this remotely operated vehicle, or ROV uses the map to visit the location.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: All right.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It's pretty choppy out here today. So the visibility is quite reduced.

FLORES (on camera): In the depth of the Indian Ocean, you would probably use sonar at first, I would imagine, if the water is very deep and very dark. UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes.

FLORES: And then perhaps the camera?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Exactly.

FLORES (voice-over): Once it's there, it uses a camera and claws to pick up debris. Bringing critical evidence and hopefully answers to the surface.

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FLORES: Here's what is fascinating about this technology. Whether it's this AUV, which is for shallow water or for deep water like the one in the Indian Ocean, it uses side scan sonar and the process of retrieving that information is the same. It creates a map of the ocean floor -- Fred.

WHITFIELD: Thank you so much, Rosa Flores. Appreciate that.