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Three Dead After Shooting Spree Near Kansas City; Urgent U.N. Security Council Meeting Tonight; Interview with Rep. Adam Schiff; Search for Malaysia Flight 370; Masters Final Round Ends
Aired April 13, 2014 - 18:00 ET
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LEMON: I'm Don Lemon. We are following breaking news right here on the CNN NEWSROOM -- in the CNN NEWSROOM.
A couple of stories for you. The first one right here in the U.S., we're getting more details now on a shooting spree that happened within the past couple of hours near Kansas City. It happened in the neighboring Overland Park, in Leawood, Kansas, where police say a man is now in custody. And that's according to witnesses, the gunman opened fire on people at a Jewish community center that was filled with children and families. And the killing did not stop there.
A news conference is scheduled to start at any moment now here on CNN. And we will bring that to you.
Again, three people died in this shooting. Two of them at a Jewish community center, the other one at a Jewish retirement home.
CNN's George Howell gathering details on this horrific story for us.
George, what more can you tell us?
GEORGE HOWELL, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Hey, Don, please interrupt me as we're both monitoring this news conference here from the CNN Chicago bureau. If you see it come up, of course we can get into that. Waiting for details from those investigators about what they know.
But at this point, we understand, three people killed in the shooting, happened on two different locations. Again, Jewish community center of greater Kansas City and at an assisted living facility.
And at this point, we understand the building was put on lockdown. There were a lot of people in the building, at the Jewish community center. We know that many teenagers were there for a dance recital, for dance competition. When the shots rang out, people were told to go to the locker room. They were told to get on the ground, to seek shelter. And at this point, we understand that one person, a person of interest, has been taken into custody.
We're going to go now to the news conference. I believe we have some sound from the Overland Park mayor. If we can go to that right now and take a listen.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Today is a tragic shooting of three people that marks a sad day in the city of Overland Park. The city of Overland Park, along with local and federal law enforcement agencies, are actively investigating this case and it's believed there's no additional reason for concern at this time.
It is during tragedies that we, the community of Overland Park and the greater Kansas City community, need to pull together to ensure the safety of all. Rest assured law enforcement agencies are doing everything they can to solve this. Thank you. JOHN DOUGLASS, OVERLAND PARK, KANSAS POLICE CHIEF: I'd like to echo the words of the mayor. On behalf of myself and member of the Overland Park Police Department, today is a very sad and tragic day. And certainly, there are no words to express the senselessness of what's happened this afternoon.
As you might imagine, we are only about the three hours into this investigation. So, consequently, while there's a lot of innuendo and assertions flying around, there's little hard core information. But we will try to provide that information as we know it, and we will try to debunk ordeal with any rumors that you might have heard or think are established. But again, I caution you to understand, there's not a lot of information that we can verify at this point in time. And I cannot and will not speculate on conjecture.
What we do know is with the initial call came into our dispatch center 1:03 p.m. and that first call regarding shots fired was from a Jewish community center, which is located at 5801 West 115th street. Several shots were fired at that location, and witnesses stated the suspect left the location soon after. There was one immediate fatality at that location, and this is in the back of the Jewish community center. And then there was a second person in that same area, probably in the same car, who succumbs to his injuries at the hospital.
Several minutes later, we received a call from a second location of shots fired the village shalom retirement center, and there's one fatality at that location. The suspect was taken into custody by our department, without incident, and in the parking lot of Valley Point Elementary School, which is 123rd and Lamar. At this point in time, we have three confirmed fatalities.
Basically, that's confirmable information we have at this time. I will answer any questions. I would ask that you address them either to me or my guest, who is the special agent in charge of the FBI whom we've requested come in and be part of the investigation. As mentioned before, if you have questions about prosecution, we have both the state representative and Mr. Steve Howell (ph), the U.S. attorney, Mr. Barry Grissom (ph).
With that, I'll answer what questions I can.
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REPORTER: Is this considered a hate crime?
DOUGLASS: It's too early in the investigation to try to label it. We know it's a vicious aren't of violence and you know, obviously, at two Jewish facilities one might make that assumption. But we're going to have to know more about it.
REPORTER: Can you confirm, numerous reports suspect, sitting in the back of the patrol car said "Heil Hitler"?
DOUGLASS: The suspect in the back of the car made several statements, we are sifting through and vetting those or accuracy, number one, and, two, looking at them from evidentiary value. It's too early what he may or may not have said, but we're trying to determine what that was this time.
REPORTER: Tell us anything about the suspect, male, age, race?
DOUGLASS: We have a suspect. And again, I caution everybody to understand, suspects are not convicted, suspects are people of interest. This gentleman is in his 70. He is a white male. He has a beard. Outside of that, there's not a lot I know that I can confirm.
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DOUGLASS: We're not releasing his name at this point in time until we have the opportunity to do more investigation.
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DOUGLASS: No. He is not --
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REPORTER: On injuries? Any other injuries? DOUGLASS: There were three fatalities, there were two individuals who were shot at, one extremely close, one was not hit. So we have a total of five people shot at. We have the back doors of the community center, which sustained substantial damage. Not certain if that was bullets that went past the original victims, or whether it was deliberately or intentionally created.
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REPORTER: Was the fourth person injured?
DOUGLASS: No. The bullet passed very close to them but did not injure them.
REPORTER: Is the suspect local?
DOUGLASS: No.
REPORTER: Can you tell us what weapons he used? Long rifles, guns, multiple guns?
DOUGLASS: The only thing I know for a fact at this point in time is that there was a shotgun that was involved. We are exploring the possibility that a handgun was involved in the shooting, the two persons that he missed and we are looking at the possibility of an assault rifle.
REPORTER: Is there any way that the suspect ended up shooting the (INAUDIBLE)
DOUGLASS: At the back of the community center, if you're community with the community center, is a theater. That theater has large double doors that allow people to come in and out and exit during periods of time when the center's closed. It was in the parking lot, at a vehicle we believe belonged to the initial victim, right there in that parking lot.
REPORTER: (INAUDIBLE) in the circle?
DOUGLASS: Yes. Well, I can't say it's in the circle but close to it.
REPORTER: In his car and shot in the car?
DOUGLASS: You know, I don't know specifically. He was at the car. I can't tell you if he was sitting in it or (INAUDIBLE)
REPORTER: The second person was either at or in the car, too?
DOUGLASS: Yes.
REPORTER: The location? What about the second location at the retirement --
DOUGLASS: All I know about that was I believe it was in the parking lot.
REPORTER: An employee or --
DOUGLASS: I don't know.
REPORTER: So we understand, person not with the shotgun outside the car.
DOUGLASS: A shotgun was involved in the first one. Whether other weapons involved, I don't know.
REPORTER: Is the FBI calling in additional resources to investigate the case?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: At this time, no. We're working right here out of our Kansas City office.
REPORTER: Any other suspects being looked at?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: As the chief said, it's entirely too early to comment on anything like that. We're just hours into this investigation. We're going to work jointly with the Overland Park Police Department.
REPORTER: The chief said the suspect isn't local. Can you tell us where the man is from, what area, what part of the state?
DOUGLASS: He's not from Kansas. Outside of that, I'm not at liberty to say.
REPORTER: Is he from Missouri?
DOUGLASS: I'm not at liberty to say.
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DOUGLASS: We have no indication he knew the victim. We have no indication that he knew the victims.
REPORTER: Was he known to you at all?
DOUGLASS: He was not known to us until today, to the police department.
REPORTER: Chief, I want to make sure I understand this. All shootings did occur outside.
DOUGLASS: As far as I know, yes.
REPORTER: Wasn't there some audition process going on inside the theater?
DOUGLASS: There was, in that general area, yes.
REPORTER: The injured, we were hearing that it was a teenager, one of the injured?
DOUGLASS: I don't know that yet. REPORTER: Can you tell us if there's anything else of the car, of value, other weapons, manifesto, writings, bumper stickers? Anything that will give (INAUDIBLE)
DOUGLASS: Well, there are other things in the car, some things we consider to be evidentiary, but until we have a chance to vet those and work with the prosecuting attorneys involved from their evidentiary value and evaluate that, we're not at liberty to say what.
REPORTER: If you look closely at community center, always securing things for them, after reason hate crimes in part of the state, you work with them to ensure their safety. This has got to hit home for you as well.
DOUGLASS: It does. The community center has really, really worked hard to maintain a safe environment. And we've worked with them. It is -- it is somewhat a personal tragedy.
REPORTER: Any -- anything leading up to this (INAUDIBLE), something may have happened?
DOUGLASS: No. This was -- you know, unexpected. If we had the slightest hint something would have happened we would have done everything to stop it.
REPORTER: (INAUDIBLE) any other firearms, any other munitions in the car? Can you speak to that?
DOUGLASS: I cannot speak to that, as I said. We're going to have to vet and evaluate things that we find in the car and look at them from how it stands as evidence and evaluate what it means. That's not -- that's currently under way. I don't have that information.
REPORTER: (INAUDIBLE) the crime lab now, where --
DOUGLASS: We have access to the regional crime lab, I think they're participating. We have access to the crime scene processing from the FBI. They made the assistance.
REPORTER: Between this guy and either center, Jewish community center --
DOUGLASS: Not that we know.
REPORTER: Did he ever go inside the two buildings, chief?
DOUGLASS: Not that I know of. I mean, to say ever is a big, broad term. He may have been in it at some other today. But as far as we know today, he was not inside when the shooting took place.
REPORTER: The first two occurred outside the theater of the Jewish community center?
DOUGLASS: To the best of my knowledge, yes.
REPORTER: The third occurred in the parking lot of village shalom retirement?
DOUGLASS: Best of my knowledge.
REPORTER: Minutes later.
DOUGLASS: Yes.
REPORTER: (INAUDIBLE) Did you hear reports he was there? How was he apprehended?
DOUGLASS: He was apprehended, after the first incident that we had, the second incident followed closely behind and we immediately understood we had an active shooter, and went into our active shooter protocols and began to search for him, with the best information we had. We saturated the area. Two officers found him in the school parking lot.
REPORTER: Do we know the age of the victim, by the way?
DOUGLASS: We do. But again, I'm not at liberty to point that out. This is unique circumstance, by now, many local family members may have been notified but this is becoming a national story. And I don't want to put out any information about the victims until we're certain of people identified. I'm not going to comment.
REPORTER: What weapon was used at village shalom?
DOUGLASS: I do not know. I don't know.
REPORTER: There are some reports going around some people at one of the two facilities that actually seen this man before, it may be hearsay, have you heard anything about that?
DOUGLASS: I have not heard that. It's not impossible. Obviously, if a person preplanned and deliberate, surveillance would have been expected. But we've had no reports of that, and I have no way of knowing if anyone has indicated that.
REPORTER: If he's not from here, any idea as to how long he has been in the area?
DOUGLASS: No.
REPORTER: Where is he now?
DOUGLASS: He's in custody at the county detention center with the sheriff.
REPORTER: Of the two injured, I'm unclear, two shot at, one in the hospital.
DOUGLASS: The person who went to the hospital succumbed to his wounds.
So, there are three fatalities, two that are not injured.
REPORTER: Two uninjured.
REPORTER: But five shot at total? That would include the two uninjured.
DOUGLASS: Yes. It's all of victims we know.
REPORTER: Sorry, (INAUDIBLE) the FBI is investigating hate crimes. Are you investigating that angle?
DOUGLASS: Of course, we are. We're investigating it as a hate crime. We're investigating it as a criminal ability. We haven't ruled out anything. I don't want to say the terrorism word. But, you know, this is three hours into it. It's only wise and prudent we use every resource we have, the FBI has been our faithful partners for many, many years.
I'll tell you, this isn't unusual they help us with cases with significance and resources we don't have, for a variety of things.
REPORTER: Chief, do you expect the person (INAUDIBLE)
MICHAEL KASTE, FBI SPECIAL AGENT IN CHARGE: Again, it's so early on in this process, it's not a decision that we've made at this point. We will definitely let you know if any decision on the prosecution side will be made. Barry and I will talk on a number of occasions. It's a joint state and federal investigation. We'll keep you in the loop.
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REPORTER: Is it a hate crime or what's the federal rule --
BARRY R. GRISSOM, U.S. ATTORNEY, DISTRICT OF KANSAS: As the chief said, it's too early right now. What Steve and I are going to be doing, as evidence comes in and collected we'll sit down with offices and assistants and decide, you know, which avenue would be the most prudent to pursue.
REPORTER: The fact that he did come across state lines, would it make federal or --
GRISSOM: No, sir. Just across the state line, no, sir.
REPORTER: Were there any threats to Jewish community centers prior to this that you are looking at or maybe going back through --
DOUGLASS: Not that I know of.
REPORTER: Are you increasing patrols around the center after?
DOUGLASS: We're not going to give specifics of the tactics that we will be employing. I can tell you as much as this, immediately, when we had the active shoot, we dispatched vehicles to secure and survey all of the active Jewish facilities within the city and many other religious institutions, which are not Jewish. As to what we continue to do from this point, all that I can say we will do everything necessary to try to continue to be safe and keep people of the city safe.
REPORTER: Do you have any reason to believe there's any connection to the holiday, the Passover holiday tomorrow, Monday?
DOUGLASS: You know, it's hard to say. Easy to speculate and start drawing conclusions and put lines to the dots but it would be unwise at this point.
REPORTER: Again, for clarify, two missed, both at community center, correct?
DOUGLASS: I don't know for a fact, but I don't think they were at the community center. I'm not certain. I really don't want to comment on something I'm not certain about.
REPORTER: Give us the genders of the victims, male, female?
DOUGLASS: Two males at the Jewish community center and one female at the other center.
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DOUGLASS: No, two males at Jewish community center, one female at the shalom.
REPORTER: Was she a staffer or a client or --
DOUGLASS: I honestly -- I do not know.
REPORTER: Have you had a chance to interview the suspect? Are you doing any discussion with him now?
DOUGLASS: I'm not at liberty to say.
REPORTER: I don't know if anyone's asked this or if you've ruled out, I have to ask, any connect to the shootings that we see on the triangle highways in the past couple of months?
DOUGLASS: Well, it's too early to tell. I mean, we have no active information that would lead us in that direction but the investigation's so early, as you might imagine, we will be working with the Kansas City, Missouri, police department to cover any lead. If that's a possibility, we'll be looking at what they have.
One more question.
REPORTER: Do you think this could be connected to David (INAUDIBLE)
DOUGLASS: We have no reason to believe that. There's no information or indication. Thank you very much.
LEMON: OK. The mayor and the police chief, the police chief really leading the press conference. It's horrific. You know, as a rabbi said, the timing could not be worse. It's the even of Passover, Passover is tomorrow night and this is happening at two Jewish facilities, community center and retirement home.
Here's what we have learned about that, I want to say, my colleague, George Howell is also listening. And George will be making his way to Kansas City just as soon as they can. They're confirming that there are three people shot, two males, from the community center, one female at the retirement home.
And here's exactly what they said -- at 1:05 p.m., they received calls from the Jewish community center of several shots fired. And they obviously made their way to the community center. Some of the witnesses left, obviously ran, they were afraid.
One person shot in the back of the community center, either person shot also in the back of the community center but in the car. And they believe the person shot was possibly in the same car or riding in the same car as the other person, both people in the same car, they believe.
Then, this man, who they confirmed now is in his 70s, a white male with a beard, got into his character went over to the Jewish retirement center there, shot a female, and they say the suspect is not local. He was not known to the police department.
They said a shotgun was involved. They're also checking the possibility that a handgun may have been involved and also assault rifle may have been involved as well.
The suspect, again, as they say, left the community center, got back into his car, and then got into his car and went to the retirement home and shot a woman. He made several statements in the car. They won't say what they are, looking into that. Again, five people and this is a quote, according to them, they said shot at, five people involved here. So, he shot at five people, he missed two. He hit three. One of the people taken to the hospital and succumbs to their injured at the hospital.
There are bullet holes, we're told, in the back door of the community center, one of the people shot at close range. And again, they're looking at all possibilities whether it is an act of terrorism, just a criminal ability, or whether it is a hate crime.
George Howell listening to the press conference.
George, they gave a lot of details. Again, this man is in custody. They also talked about just for background, one of last questions they were asking about the triangle shootings, there have been several shootings, random shootings in the Kansas City area, mostly on the interstate, Kansas City drivers. They're saying they don't know if it's connected but they're looking at the possibility.
Back to this one. They gave a lot of detail at this particular press conference and it's horrific. HOWELL: Don, you know, when you hear what the officials said, when they described it as tragic and sad, you know, very difficult situation. And you keep in mind that this on the eve of a Jewish holiday of Passover. Again, as you mentioned, we know three people were shot and killed, that one person that person of interest, now in custody.
As you described, a white male in his 70s, not from Kansas, also as you mentioned, and not known to police. That's important because you heard one of reporters asking, have you ever heard about this guy, any background on him? This is a new suspect for police there.
Also as far as weapons, a shotgun was used, possible handgun was used, and also a possible assault weapon was used. And there were also reports of statements that he made after all of this was said and done, after he was in the police car. But again, police are making the point very clear, that they are not confirming any of the reports until they have more time to look through the information, the statements they're getting from witnesses.
There are only some three hours into the shooting incident. Also important to point out what was happening there at Jewish community center. There were a lot of people in the building. There was a dance recital, a dance competition that was happening at the time, many teenagers were there.
And what we under stand from our sources, that the teenagers were all told to get on the ground. They were told to go into the locker rooms, to seek shelter, as the shots rang out. And again, we know a total of five people shot at, but again three people were killed in this incident.
LEMON: George Howell -- thank you very much, George. We appreciate that.
And, again, according to police, they said they have no indication that he knew any of the victims. He's not known to the police department there. All of the shootings that took place, the two people who were killed at community center, happened outside. The woman who was killed at retirement center happened outside as well.
We'll continue to follow this developing story for you here. This is breaking news story here on CNN. Three people shot at two Jewish facilities, Overland Park, Kansas, a suburb of Kansas City. Horrific, this all happening on the eve of Passover.
Up next here on CNN, another breaking news story: Ukraine faces more trouble inside and out. More on that crisis straight ahead in the NEWSROOM, along with latest on the shooting in Kansas City.
Stay with us.
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ANNOUNCER: This is CNN breaking news. LEMON: We have breaking news situation right now. This one in Kansas City that we want to report to you. That's where a gunman went on a shooting rampage today at two separate Jewish facilities, a community center and a retirement home. A teenage boy, an older women among those killed. The suspect now in police custody and witnesses described him as an older man in his 70s with a beard, not known to the community.
Again, news conference just happened just a short time ago in the Overland Park area and they're saying he's 70 years old, not known to the community and they don't believe at this point that he knew his victims -- shooting those people, all of them outside, first at a community center, driving away and shooting another and killing another person at a Jewish retirement center before being apprehended at an elementary school. He's now in police custody, being interviewed.
Make sure you stay with CNN for more details when we get them.
Now to another breaking news story, breaking developments out of Ukraine -- weeks after pro-Russian forces seized buildings in Crimea. We're seeing a disturbingly similar pattern emerged in eastern Ukraine. Pro-Russian demonstrators are now occupying government buildings in several cities in the east. And just hours ago, Ukraine's acting president set a Monday deadline for forces to lay down their arms or face a full-scale operation.
Sporadic violence being reported elsewhere. This is in Kharkiv in the northeastern part of Ukraine. The video purportedly shows pro-Russian protesters attacking Ukrainian activists but CNN hasn't been able to independently authenticate this video.
Again, breaking news out of Ukraine, the U.N. Security Council will soon hold an urgent meeting at Russia's request. The unscheduled meeting comes after a sudden spike in bloodshed in the fragile nation.
I want to bring in now our senior United Nations correspondent, Mr. Richard Roth.
Richard, what are sources telling you about this urgent U.N. Security Council meeting?
RICHARD ROTH, CNN SENIOR UNITED NATIONS CORRESPONDENT: Well, there was even diplomatic tussling I think on the format of the meeting. It may very well be a public session with speeches. There will be definitely an airing of grievances going on. You might hear a siren. I think we have a fire alarm that went off here, very symbolic of this nature of this crisis and this urgent meeting that will occur here in a little while.
The U.S. ambassador to the United Nations, Samantha Power, earlier on Sunday, told ABC "This Week" that the violence in several towns, including one just 100 miles from the Russian border, is definitely the handiwork of Russian authorities behind it.
(BEGIN VIDE OCLIP) SAMANTHA POWER, U.S. AMBASSADOR TO THE UNITED NATIONS: It has all of the tell-tale signs of what we saw in Crimea. It's professional, it's coordinated, it's nothing grassroots seeming about it. I think we've seen the sanctions can bite and if actions like the kind that we've seen over the last few days continue, you're going to see a ramping up of the sanctions.
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ROTH: Now, if the violence increases and developments occur in a certain way, Don, there will be sanctions but it would be individual countries such as U.S. upgrading their sanctions on Russia. With Russia holding a veto here at the U.N. Security Council, there is no way that any united action will take place tonight or the foreseeable future here at U.N. Security Council.
So, we may have Russia telling Security Council why it may have to take action even in the next few days, feeling that its own citizens are under attack. Ukraine, of course, and many Western countries and those on the Security Council believe Russia is fomenting all of this violence -- Don.
LEMON: Richard Roth at the U.N. -- Richard, let's hope it's a drill. If not, get to safety. We hear sirens going off here.
We appreciate, Richard Roth.
Moving on now -- a congressman, just back from the trip to Ukraine. He says that U.S. and international community need to do a whole lot more. You're going to hear Congressman Adam Schiff describe his trip to Ukraine next.
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LEMON: We're continuing to follow the breaking news from Kansas City area. According to witnesses a man opened fire on people outside a busy Jewish community center, killing two, one of them a teenager. The man then drove to a Jewish retirement home where police say he killed an older woman.
I talked to the police chaplain in Overland Park, Kansas, just a little while ago.
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RABBI HERBERT MANDL, OVERLAND PARK, KANSAS POLICE DEPARTMENT: That he's apparently an older gentleman and he was asking people before he shot them if they were Jewish or not. Person identified themselves at the Village Shalom as being Jewish, he then shot.
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LEMON: Well, the police chief in Overland Park spoke to reporters just a few minutes ago. He said the suspect who is in his 70s is not local and they don't believe he knew any of his victims. They also said he made several statements in the back of the car and they are checking into that.
Also breaking news to tell you about out of Ukraine. An urgent U.N. Security Council meeting will be held in hours at Russia's request to discuss escalating violence in the former Soviet Union -- Soviet Republic, I should say. Ukraine's president says he won't stand for another Crimea scenario inside his fragile nation. He says pro-Russia separatists in eastern Ukraine have until Monday to back down. Russian's foreign minister says Ukraine needs to stop waging war on its own people.
Is Ukraine on the verge of a bloody civil war?
Joining me now is Democratic Congressman Adam Schiff, a senior member of the House Intelligence Committee.
Congressman Schiff, thank you for joining us. You recently visited Ukraine.
REP. ADAM SCHIFF (D-CA), SELECT COMMITTEE ON INTELLIGENCE: Yes.
LEMON: And you believe U.S. and world -- and the world must do more to help -- help the Ukraine. What specifically should the U.S. be doing right now?
SCHIFF: Don, when I was there just a couple of weeks ago, Ukrainians were worried about exactly what's happening that the Russians would provoke violent confrontations on the streets of Ukraine and use it as a justification to invade. And I think the U.S. really needs to do a few things. We need to step up our sanctions, and that means really trying to get Europe together around sector wide sanctions if the Russians further incur into Ukraine.
Sanctions on their energy industry, on their mining industry, on their banking industry, things that would really cripple Russia's economy. And now this is going to be hurtful to Europe as well. It won't be great for us either, but if Europe and the United States are serious about deterring further Russian aggression, we're really going to have to go with sector wide sanctions.
I also think we need to afford to deploy NATO assets to our NATO allies in the region to give them some level of confidence that we're going to stand behind Article V of the NATO treaty, that says an attack on any of the NATO countries is an attack on all of the NATO countries.
These are a couple of steps that we're going to take in addition to the financial support we're giving Ukraine.
LEMON: But, Congressman, I mean, what good would that do? We saw in Crimea after that, that sanctions were threatened -- sanctions have been threatened for Russia for a while now. Vladimir Putin doesn't seem -- it doesn't seem to matter to him. What good will any of that do if he just doesn't care?
SCHIFF: Well, I think the problem has been the sanctions have been too mild, too target-specific, going after a few of the oligarchs that really haven't hurt the Russian government or the Russian people. Sector wide sanctions, on the other hand, would really cripple Russia's economy. It would make Putin pay a real price and it will take a little of the luster off of his bellicose foreign policy.
Right now the Russians applaud what Putin is doing. If the Russians got to feel the economic impacts they might decide this is not such a great course for Russia after all. But I think the only thing Putin is going to respect is strength and I don't think we've shown it significantly in the response we've had yet. So I think it's --
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LEMON: Do you remember --
SCHIFF: You know, regrettably going to be necessary.
LEMON: Do you remember after the invasion of Crimea, and when we talked about sanctions and that he threatened to seize assets of U.S. companies, seize U.S. property in Russia, and so again, I ask, if, you know, if he doesn't care, what can we do other than sending troops?
SCHIFF: Well, we're not going to send troops, but I think he does care. If the -- the sanctions are severe enough it will have an impact on him. But right now he doesn't think the U.S. and the West is going to step up to the plate with something that will also hurt them because in this kind of a global economy, you can't have only a one-way impact of sanctions but they'll hurt Russia a lot more.
So I think it's really necessary. I think it would be a deterrent. And I think if we want to prevent a third kind of territorial invasion, you know, after Georgia, now Ukraine, we're going to have to really get serious about imposing substantial costs and repercussions. We have the power to do it. We and Europe have the power to do it. The question is, do we have the will to do it? I think Putin right now questions whether we have the will to step up to the plate.
LEMON: Thank you very much. Really appreciate you taking the time, Congressman Adam Schiff. We appreciate you here on CNN.
SCHIFF: You bet.
LEMON: Thank you.
Breaking news in Kansas City and Ukraine, but we're not forgetting about the search for Flight 370 as well. The latest on that hunt is straight ahead.
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LEMON: Now to the case of Flight 370. The battery deadline likely passed. The black box pings completely silent. The families living in limbo. But no one is ready to throw in the towel just yet.
Top Malaysian officials reaffirming today we must find the black boxes if the mystery of the missing airliner is to be solved. Search teams took a different approach today increasing the search area significantly by almost 40 percent. In Kuala Lumpur, the investigation into those aboard Flight 370 continues. Malaysia's defense minister said police continue to look into possible motives.
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HISHAMMUDDIN HUSSEIN, ACTING MALAYSIAN TRANSPORT MINISTER: That is an ongoing thing. And I don't think the IBP would have meant that they've all been cleared because unless we find more information specifically on data in the black box I done think any chief of police would be in the position to say that they'd be cleared.
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LEMON: I want to bring in now the panel of experts here on CNN. CNN's safety analyst and author, David Soucie. CNN aviation analyst and pilot, Les Abend, also Mission 31 expedition leader and ocean explorer, Fabien Cousteau, and CNN aviation analyst and pilot Miles O'Brien.
OK, David, to you first, is this search showing the expansion of this search? Is this showing the limitations of the Malaysian government at all?
DAVID SOUCIE, CNN SAFETY ANALYST: You know, I tie it more just to the fact that there's more drift, they haven't found anything so they have to go and look in other areas. It's disappointing in a lot of way that they haven't found something but I think it's just a matter of not having a choice. They have to keep looking in different areas.
LEMON: Yes. How -- we don't have to -- we don't do these type of searches very often but when they do, you know, it's -- when we do it's very important. So it makes me wonder about the technology being used in the search. Is it common for countries to have this technology, Fabien?
FABIEN COUSTEAU, OCEAN ENGINEER: No. I'd say it's very rare actually and it's very expensive. It's expensive to bill things like the Bluefin-21 or have a ship out there and searching. So up until now that kind of technology has been fairly rare and fairly disparate and spread around the world. So yes, it's difficult.
LEMON: Miles, should Malaysia be asking for more assistance from other countries?
MILES O'BRIEN, CNN AVIATION ANALYST: Well, I've always felt that from the beginning that the Malaysians should have, you know, called in the cavalry, as it were. There's a lot of disorganize at the outset and really it persists frankly. At this juncture, though, I don't see a huge resource problem.
We have a pretty solid location where the pingers are, we have the right assets on station as it were, trying to listen for those pings and ultimately we have a device that will be able to, you know, create a sonar map of the sea floor. So eventually they'll need another device to go down and get the black boxes but that's some months off at the rate we're going. As for the air search, you know, I wonder, Don, at what point, given the fact that pingers have been located and there's a high probability that there's wreckage there, I wonder at what point they will sort of scale that down. That's a tough anything to tell the families, but that might be something that is in the cards.
LEMON: Right. And that's a reality, it's going to have to happen at some point, that's a very good question.
Les Abend, you know, with Pan Am, the crash there, Pan Am is no longer in business. TWA Flight 800, no longer in business, for whatever reasons. I'm sure it impacted the business of these airlines. How do you think this is going to affect Malaysia Airlines going forward?
LES ABEND, CNN AVIATION ANALYST: Well, I mean, any airline is deeply affected, you know, financially and emotionally by these kind of tragedies. When we find out the cause, you know, that will -- that will certainly help narrow things down. But, I mean, passenger perception is everything. And it probably will affect it to -- you know, to a degree. They've probably lost confidence in Malaysia Airlines. And we're talking a very safe operation for the -- you know, up until this point.
LEMON: OK. You guys, everyone will be back shortly here. So stick around, everyone. We've got much, much more on the plane straight ahead. We're going to hear more -- from our panel of experts. But first, any minute now, we're going to have a new champion at the Masters tournament. We're going to tell you who's on top.
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LEMON: The final round of the Masters Golf Tournament will wrap up at any minute now and right now a former champ is in the lead. Bubba Watson, who won the Masters two years ago, could come out on top again.
Lara Baldesarra is live in Augusta.
I am so mad at you. And I was there two years ago when Bubba won. And look now I'm sitting here in New York City and you're there. We're watching snag a win?
LARA BALDESARRA, ANCHOR, CNN'S WORLD SPORT: I am here. And it's all -- it's all just going to take one final putt, it looks like, from Bubba Watson. This Masters is really just -- it's his at this point. He's at eight under. He is on the 18th green and, you know, right now he just almost having fun with it out there. He knows that this is his Masters to win. He just has to go up there, cap in that final putt, and he will be a two-time Masters champion.
Don, can you believe that a guy named Bubba, Bubba, is winning the Masters for a second time? It absolutely incredible. And what a fun guy he is, too. You know, he's got this self-taught swing. Everybody loves him. His wife is there with their son Caleb and you can see the emotions, they're starting to overwhelm them as well. But we're looking at a two-time Masters winner in just a moment. LEMON: Yes. I can't believe it. I'm from the south. There are lots of Bubbas and Beaus and all kinds of crazy names that come from the south. They're pretty good golf players.
BALDESARRA: I guess so.
LEMON: Enjoy. Hey listen --
BALDESARRA: Certainly is.
LEMON: Can you do me a huge favor? And I'm not kidding you, if you could put this in FedEx. You know that barbecue sandwich they have, that they sell there at the Masters? I don't want the cheese one.
BALDESARRA: You're talking to me about barbecue?
LEMON: Yes. Send me one.
BALDESARRA: Don, come on. It's the masters. No. No, no, no. Don, if I'm going to send you anything, I'm going to be sending you a pimiento cheese sandwich. I'm not sending you a barbecue or anything. It's the Masters. It's the Masters.
LEMON: I want the barbecue. Barbecue, Baldesarra. I got to move on.
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Speaking of food -- thank you very much, we appreciate it. Thank you. Enjoy.
If you have been missing Anthony Bourdain's global culinary adventures, then tonight is the night you have been waiting for. In less than three hours, CNN premiers season three of "PARTS UNKNOWN." Here now is a little taste of what you can expect from the globe- trotting chef.
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LEMON: Punjab India, why?
ANTHONY BOURDAIN, CNN HOST, PARTS UNKNOWN: Because it's really one of the most awesome looking places on earth. It's got a really interesting presence and a really haunting, interesting past. The food's delicious. I get to eat vegetarian here without noticing. Vegetables and spicy, seasonal, different textures, and served with extraordinarily good bread. Delicious. I can go vegetarian in Punjab for a whole week, and that's a lot for me.
LEMON: What do you do there?
BOURDAIN: It's a really contentious region. A lot of the world's problems, a lot of the difficulties we contend with are sort of stemmed from that fractious relationship between, you know, from one area partitioned to be Pakistan and India. And Punjab in particular is a real flashpoint. We look at -- we go, we eat, we look at a really beautiful part of the world but through food and I guess ordinary conversations with ordinary people try in our own small way to explain what the hell is going on there.
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LEMON: Make sure you hitch a ride to India and find out what other food adventures Anthony has in store for us when "PARTS UNKNOWN" premiers 9:00 p.m. Eastern here on CNN.
Still ahead, the investigation into what happened at Flight 370. What happened if nothing turns up? Our panel of experts back next.
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LEMON: We're continuing to follow breaking news from the Kansas City area. According to witnesses, a man opened fire on people outside a busy Jewish community center. As a matter of fact according to police, killing two, one of them a teenager. The man then drove to a Jewish retirement home where police say he killed an older woman. I talked with a police chaplain in Overland Park, Kansas, just a short time ago.
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MANDL: That he's apparently an older gentleman and he was asking people before he shot them if they were Jewish or not. Person identified themselves at the Village Shalom as being Jewish, he then shot.
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LEMON: The police did not -- would not confirm the information about that but they say they are checking into statements the suspect made after he was in custody.
The police chief in Overland Park say to reporters just a few minutes ago, spoke to them, they say that the suspect, who is in his 70s is not a local person. And they don't believe he knew any of this victims.
The hunt for Flight 370, I want to bring back our panel of experts now. The towed pinger still -- slowly moving through the Indian Ocean. Is this a wasted effort, do you believe? Do you think that -- David, that the pinger has run out, the battery?
SOUCIE: Yes. I think the battery is done by now. It's been five days, and they've been going in the same area. Been tracking it on the marine tracker. You can see it going two knots back and forth through the pattern that was set up in the first place. So they're centering around that two-mile stretch or two hours worth of stretch, where they've got a good, solid signal. Since then, it's just been artifacts basically. And like I said for the last five days, there's been nothing.
LEMON: Do we have Miles O'Brien with us still?
O'BRIEN: Yes, you do.
LEMON: Yes? OK.
O'BRIEN: Yes.
LEMON: I wasn't sure, Miles. You're not here. You know, out of sight, I don't want to say it, out of mind.
O'BRIEN: I'm always there for you. Always there.
LEMON: By the way, how's the nose doing? OK? Pretty good? No lifts?
O'BRIEN: It's a little crooked. Have to get it set tomorrow so.
LEMON: Miles took a tumble. We were all worried.
O'BRIEN: Yes.
LEMON: But he's fine as you can see.
O'BRIEN: I went down hard. Thank you for asking. I appreciate it.
LEMON: Yes. All right. Well, great. Listen, do you agree that the time is probably up for those pingers.
O'BRIEN: I do.
LEMON: And we get to start phase two now which is putting submersibles in the water, correct?
O'BRIEN: Yes, I do. And if you talk to oceanographers, they'd say, just put the submersible in now, get UAV in and let's start mapping. But they'll probably give it a few more days just in case they hear a -- you know, the faint last bits of ping.
You know, it occurs to me how lucky they were to capture the pings they have. That really was the rattling tail end of those batteries' capabilities, I think. So that was an extraordinary piece of luck. And I still, still wonder what secret asset, whether it was the Australian over the horizon radar, or whatever it was that put them on that location so effectively. That was -- that was a pretty amazing piece of work. We did not know the full story there.
LEMON: No, we still don't know the full story. But I wonder, you know, it's really going to be tough, once you just put submersibles in there and you don't know exactly where they're going, the best hope were those pingers and it looks like that may have been lost.
Our panel will join us in the next hour.
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