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Continuing Coverage Of Campus Shooting; 22-Year-Old Elliot Roger Shooting Suspect

Aired May 24, 2014 - 18:00   ET

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DEBORAH FEYERICK, CNN ANCHOR: You're in the CNN NEWSROOM. Hello, everyone. I'm Deborah Feyerick, in for Don Lemon.

And we now have a name to put with the deadly shooting spree that's done at California college town last night. The name, Elliot Roger, 22-years-old. His family believes that he's the man who shot six people dead from behind the wheel of his car. We're going to hear more from police when they hold their next news conference. And that's expected an hour away. Of course, we're going to see it here live on CNN.

The shooting happened here in Isla Vista not far from Santa Barbara, California. One witness said he saw three young women shot on the lawn of their sorority house on the campus of city college of Santa Barbara where it's believed the shooter also went. Also, police say they have reason to believe this is not random. Some random impulsive act but premeditated.

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SHERIFF BILL BROWN, SANTA BARBARA, CALIFORNIA: We have obtained and we are currently analyzing both written and videotaped evidence that suggests that this atrocity was a premeditated mass murder.

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FEYERICK: And the video that the sheriff is talking about is one of several made and posted on You Tube by Elliot Roger, they're long rants about how he's ignored, rejected mostly by women his age. He calls, says he's going to have a total annihilation. In the most recent video, he says that he's about to take revenge.

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ELLIOT ROGER, SHOOTING SUSPECT: Tomorrow is the day of retribution. The day in which I will have my revenge against humanity.

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FEYERICK: Disturbing and hard to watch. Let's get more on the alleged gunman and what he left behind.

CNN's Kyung Lah is in Isla Vista, justice correspondent Evan Perez in Washington. Evan first, he'd been posting these videos for a while. He even wrote at one point his own family was growing concerned. What else do we know about videos or other evidence that's linked to this young man.

EVAN PEREZ, CNN JUSTICE CORRESPONDENT: Well, we know that apparently his family was concerned at some point and contacted some authorities. We don't know what happened after that. It appears that whatever they found out from the concerns of the family, there wasn't really enough to do anything about it. And that's actually, Deb, this happens in so many of these cases. Because even if someone is showing some signs of illness and, perhaps, some violent tendencies, unless they do something that can -- that law enforcement can intervene on, they really -- there's not really much that can be done.

And so in this case, we know that the authorities are going through these videos that he left behind. He had some blog posts that he put up in the last -- in the last day or so. And that is going to keep them busy for the next few days as they try to figure out what possibly could explain some of this stuff. We know, as you said that he was lonely, he claimed that he was socially disaffected, he couldn't get a girlfriend. Women rebuffed him, he says. So these are all things that apparently were playing into his mind and then decided to go on this rampage last night in Santa Barbara.

FEYERICK: Yes. And one of the videos that he posted, he said I will be a God to you. You will be slaughtered like animals, clearly a narcissist.

Kyung, what else are you learning about the alleged suspect? And any evidence that is now being analyzed in connection with him?

KYUNG LAH, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, the police have broken down all of the scenes. This area that you see behind me used to have -- was used to be cordoned off. There were a number of active scenes where police were still trying to piece together all of the evidence, collecting all the bullets, making sure they understood exactly where this black BMW, where the rampage began, where he went and where it finished all of this has now been cleared by the police. But this investigation is still ongoing.

The startling thing is how many people saw this. How many people were affected by this. We even spoke to a man who watched it all end. Here's what he told us.

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JAMANGIR SIDDIOUI, WITNESS: We heard a loud crash, and about, you know, close to 30 rounds of gunfire, and I looked outside, and I saw the BMW had crashed into the parked cars on the street. I saw one cop rush to the car. He -- the policeman cleared out the car, and then, like, very soon after, more squad cars showed up. Policemen showed up with their rifles. They cleared the scene. I saw the driver get pulled out.

LAH: Did you see the driver? I mean, how did he look? SIDDIOUI: From what I remember, when I saw the driver get pulled out of the car, he looked very hurt. I mean, to me, he was -- either unconscious, or already dead.

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LAH: This is a college town, a lot of the students here know each other even if they go to differing schools. There is UCSB. There's also city college here of Santa Barbara. They all seem to know each other because they're all about the same age and have similar interests. But nobody, Deb, could I find who has spoken to this man who knows this man. But by now, they've all now seen his You Tube video and they are all incredibly stunned that someone could be so disturbed and they didn't know it -- Deb.

FEYERICK: Yes. I mean, even looking at that video, Kyung, it's like you are definitely witnessing a sort of the inside of a madman's mind. And he was so focused on all the people he felt who had wronged him, all these people who had no idea he even existed. Some of the witnesses also, they had a sense of how lucky they were that they themselves were not victims, Kyung.

LAH: You can see this building over my shoulder, this is an apartment building. We've spoken to numerous students who live inside that apartment building, and they all tell us they heard the gun shots, they came very close, they saw people getting shot, and they felt that he was aiming for them, none of them, though, inside the apartment building were hit. They feel that yes, it was random, but at the same time, these are a lot of girls inside this apartment building. They certainly felt like they were targeted because he wanted to attack women.

FEYERICK: Yes, no question about it. And as you yourself said, Kyung, the first place it started shooting was at a sorority.

OK, Kyung Lah, We are going to have you standby. Evan Perez, we are going to have you standby. I know you guys are both working. The sources there on the ground. We'll check back with you shortly, especially with that press conference that's coming up in less than an hour.

Elliott Roger posted numerous videos to a You Tube page just days before he allegedly went on the shooting rampage, which left seven people dead in California. The seventh one being himself. It offer an eerie glimpse into his mindset. I want to read transcripts from some of those videos now. This is one from -- in which is titled Elliott Roger, lonely blog, life is so unfair.

His description of the video. I take my usual walk at the golf course while I explain how unfair my life has been. He said, quote, "I used to come here to watch the sunset. This is my usual sunset spot usually because there were rarely any young couples here that I would get jealous of, and I love this walk. Right down the parking lot toward the setting sun, it's my last enjoyment in life. I can't enjoy anything else. My life is so lonely and mundane, have no friends, no girlfriends, no love, no sex. All I have is this." And he goes on to say in this crazy rant, sex, love companionship, I desire those things. I desire girls, I'm sexually attracted to girls, girls are not sexually attracted to me. There's a major problem with that. A major problem, that's a problem I intend to rectify. I in all my magnificence and power. I will not let this fly. It the new justice that needs to be dealt with.

Clearly, law enforcement looking carefully at those words and what could have been done possibly to stop him. It's just the tip of the iceberg. My panel standing by. They've got a lot to say on this. You're going to hear from all of them something you won't want to miss coming up straight away.

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FEYERICK: Updating our top story. We just learned that 11 people were injured in the California shootings. That's the word from Janet Napolitano who now heads the state university system. That's up from seven injured the number we initially reported.

Just before the break, you heard some of the transcript from an eerie You Tube video believed to be the shooter who allegedly killed six people near Santa Barbara, California, last night. Here's the transcript of another video that he posted on You Tube. This one is titled, being lonely on spring break "sucks" is the word he used.

Quote, "I'm just contemplating about my life and how unfair it's been lately, how it's been unfair for the last eight years, ever since I hit puberty, ever since I started desiring girls but they haven't desired me back. Life has been a living I've been all alone. Right now it's spring break, everyone else my age is out there having fun with their friends and their girlfriends and here I am taking lonely walks through a park."

OK. What does that leave us? Let me bring in my panel. Clinical and forensic psychologist Jeff Gardere, criminal defense attorney Holly Hughes, retired law enforcement agent Lou Palumbo and criminal defense attorney Brian (INAUDIBLE).

First of all, Jeff, you hear these writings, there was something very deep going on in this young man. Was this a young man in control of his own sanity? His own environment?

JEFF GARDERE, CLINICAL PSYCHOLOGIST: And this is what I think was going on. Not only did he feel privileged and he couldn't understand why women or girls or other people didn't desire him or want to be around him. But he was also holding on to his sanity. He knew that slowly but surely he was losing it. So little things like taking a walk by the park or on a beach, these were the only things that brought him pleasure because everything else brought him pain.

FEYERICK: And interestingly enough, he continues to comment on that every time he sees a couple in love. Every time he sees a boy and a girl together. It reminds him of what he, himself, does not have. And that compounds the pain, it would seem. GARDERE: Exactly. But there's something deeper going on here. This is not just about a guy who can't get dates. He may have focused on that as being the pain of his life, all of his issues, but I believe these things, if nothing more, were symbolic with a profound sense of isolation, being alone, not being able to fit in. Having these anger problems, rages and not being able to control them, just not being able to have a normal life because he wasn't normal.

FEYERICK: Right.

GARDERE: He had serious mental health issues.

FEYERICK: So, he was really starting to lose his grasp on reality.

GARDERE: Exactly.

FEYERICK: Lou Palumbo, law enforcement, let me ask you about this. Here you've got a kid. It's premeditated, he sort of knew the direction he was going to take. Anyway this could have been stopped especially since the family appears to have alerted police authorities that, in fact, this You Tube was very troubling to them.

LOU PALUMBO, RETIRE LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENT: I'm not convinced that there was anything at the time that the parents informed law enforcement that they could have done anything. You know, in the state of New York, for example, we can take you to a hospital like Bellevue and bring you in for psychiatric evaluation against your will for 72 hours.

I don't know even if that was done, if that would've stopped this problem. I'm curious about the family dynamic. I'm curious as to what the family did to try to get him counseling or therapy or medications.

I will say this, this is a little unconventional because it sounds like he wasn't completely disenfranchised from the family. It sounds like the family had some interest as to what was going on in his life. They attempted to addressed it. The problem is, the mechanism isn't in place in our culture to kind of further that process. I think that's what we're learning.

I think that if you look or listen to his tapes on You Tube, he has an issue with mankind. He specifically spoke to that. But one thing that does concern me, Deborah, is that the feelings that this young man has are pretty pervasive in our culture. I don't think he's the only individual that feels disenfranchised, has having problems establishing relationships with people they desire, whether the gender is male or female.

I think there are a lot of young Americans like this. I think there are a lot of older Americans. And my real concern with this case, it could be the impetus to a copycat unlike a lot of other ones. In other words, they alluded to with the Aurora shooting.

I don't see the dynamics. I don't see the background. But here I do see a background with this individual specific to his discomfort in living every day and a remedy to that problem.

FEYERICK: But you've got to think -- this is more than just disenfranchisement, a man with psychological issues. His family knew he had psychological issues. You don't simply look at somebody's You Tube and go, hey, this is troubling. I'm going to call police. Unless there's a history of some sort of behavior that is no longer manageable.

Holly Hughes, you've been in this situation, criminal defense lawyer, how do you deal with a young man who is on the verge?

HOLLY HUGHES, CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Well, you try very hard -- it's exactly what Lou said. You know, you need to be able to get them involuntarily committed and then see, have a work-up done on them.

What's more interesting to me is, I think it's time to have a discussion about legislating some of the gun issues. Now, I'm not against having guns. It's a constitutional right. I own a firearm. That's great. But the disconnect is if there is somebody with legitimate mental health issues who has been institutionalized, who has been diagnosed, who is or should be on medication, is there a way that when you apply for a gun permit we can give that gun shop owner access to those records? Because they're not going to tell the truth. And the laws that exist right now says you can't put it out there. You've got Hippa (ph).

FEYERICK: It's an ongoing conversation and one that's never going to get resolved. It is got to be about mental health and not firearms.

I'm going to give Brian the last word. Go ahead. Go ahead.

PALUMBO: Hey, Deborah, I just want to say one thing in reference to her comments. You know, she's absolutely right. We need to come to the realization that we have this reoccurring problem that involves mental illness. And I've spoken to this numerous times. We have too many different standards. For example, those of us in law enforcement prior to us obtaining a firearm to carry out our duties, we go through a different screening process, which includes psychological screening, we take Minnesota multi-phase screening, word association, and we have interviews with psychologists and psychiatrists. These are not unreasonable expectations.

FEYERICK: They're not unreasonable expectations, but expectations that have to start by lawmakers passing laws. That's not going to happen. We've seen this over and over again.

Unfortunately, I have good night to all of you for a little while. We're going to bring you back. In any event, standby while we move on.

But first of all, a young man who was one of the first at the shooting scene. Saw a young woman on the ground. He knew immediately, immediately she wasn't going to make it. You're going to hear what else he saw at the scene of the mass murder in a few minutes.

Stay with us, we've got a lot more. (COMMERCIAL BREAK)

FEYERICK: A college student heard gun shots, and when he walked outside, he saw some of the victims lying on the ground. Seven people, including the gunman were killed in the college town of Isla Vista last night. One witness said that he just heard round after round.

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SARA SIDNER, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Tell me, what did you see?

KYLE SULLIVAN. CITY COLLEGE STUDENT: Well, I was leaving the fraternity right there. And I heard the gun shots, and I recognized the sound of a gun. I've shot a gun before. So I waited. And then I heard more gun shots. And then after about like 30 seconds, I came around the corner right here.

SIDNER: So you're there at the fraternity?

SULLIVAN: Yes.

SIDNER: You were just down the street. And you come around the corner after hearing gun shots. What did you see?

SULLIVAN: OK. So I came up and basically -- there was a young girl laying right here. And she was -- I could just tell immediately that she was gone. I saw a gunshot wound to her abdomen and like on her side and also one through her head. So you could tell she wasn't breathing anymore. She was gone. There was another girl right here.

SIDNER: My God, there were more than one?

SULLIVAN: There were three girls, yes.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE REPORTER: Three girls.

SULLIVAN: There was a girl right here and she was really, really struggling. You could tell she was just barely able to move her eyes and just moving her arms slightly. And then there was another girl right here. And she was kind of like laying down crouched. She was still conscious. She was talking. She immediately got on the phone with her mother. And was telling her mother about how much she loved her and wasn't sure she was going to make it.

SIDNER: Oh, my God.

SULLIVAN: And then it probably took a minute or two and the one right here passed away.

SIDNER: What were you doing the whole time as you're looking at this terribly grisly scene?

SULLIVAN: I was in complete shock. I walked up and about three other people came from the single -- I couldn't -- I didn't realize this was real life at all.

SIDNER: Were you trying to talk to them? Did they say anything to you?

SULLIVAN: Yes. I was talking to the one on the phone because I could tell -- she said she got shot in the kidney. And I could see she had shots through her arm. So I could tell she was probably going to make it. I was telling her she was going to be OK. I spoke to her mother real quick. I told her mother she was probably going to make it.

We saw a police officer right down there, about (INAUDIBLE). So we brought him over here immediately and he held her and holding her wounds to stop the bleeding. And then I asked the police officer if we were safe staying here just because of the, you know, that there was a person driving around shooting people. And he said that we should -- now that we were OK. But then literally like 20 seconds after that, we heard the next shots at the market over there. And that's when he basically yelled at everyone and told them to run indoors. And I ran back to the fraternity. And I, like, ran down the street and told everyone to go indoors and people were just locked themselves in.

SIDNER: I noticed that your voice is still --

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FEYERICK: We are going to -- that was our Sara Sidner.

There is a press conference going on right now. Let's take a listen.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: -- he died last night. I've written out a statement that was prepared by the family. Our son Christopher Martinez and six others are dead. Our family -- our family has a message for every parent out there. You don't think it'll happen to your child until it does. Chris was a really great kid. Ask anyone who knew him. His death has left our family lost and broken. Why did Chris die? Chris died because of craven irresponsible politicians and the NRA. They talk about gun rights. What about Chris's right to live? When will this insanity stop? When will enough people say stop this madness, we don't have to live like this. Too many have died. We should say to ourselves, not one more! Thank you. That's it.

FEYERICK: The anger. You can hear the anger and the grief of this man talking about Christopher Martinez slamming the politicians, slamming the NRA, saying what about Chris's right to live. He is refereeing to people who support gun rights. He said what about this young man's right to live?

This is the first victim that we are hearing. And you can see -- you can see he is just -- he says Chris was a great kid. Ask anyone.

I'm here with Jeff Gardere, clinical psychologist.

You know, I tell you. Looking at the pain this has caused these families, that is just wrenching. This is what the families are now dealing with. GARDERE: That's right.

FEYERICK: What this madman wanted.

GARDERE: And it always comes back to that, doesn't it? The havoc that has been wreck out there, the pain that has been put out there, which is what right, what the gunman wanted. He wanted people to suffer the way he felt he had suffered.

With this -- with Chris's father here, the father of the victim, what he's saying is what so many people said before. We have to look at some sort of gun control. We have to look at screening people better. Not just for psychosis, but also for personality disorders that can beat some of these tests. But we also have to look at the mental health system, the fact that we in the mental health profession are not doing enough to take care of our children in their isolation and their mental health issues.

FEYERICK: We have to stop pointing fingers at one another and get something done. No question about that.

GARDERE: Absolutely.

FEYERICK: But we are going to have a lot more after the break, including a manifesto left by the gunman. Stay with us.

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FEYERICK: And we're learning the gunman left behind not only YouTube videos, he also a 140-page written manifesto that CNN has obtained a copy of. This manifesto was originally sent to one of our affiliates, KEYT-TV. It's titled "My Twisted World: The Story of Elliot Rodger." And he says, "This is a story, a dark story of sadness, anger and hatred."

I'm joined now by Tracy Lehr, who is on the phone from our affiliate KEYT. You reportedly -- your station received this manifesto from Elliot Rodger. Tell me some of the details.

TRACY LEHR, KEYT-TV REPORTER (on the phone): It came from an acquaintance who has something to do with body building online. And it was brought to our attention early. And we have made printed copies. And I'm combing through it right now. And you mentioned the title, "My Twisted World." It is a very well written, someone who knew punctuation and wrote it out. But it starts with every age in every (AUDIO GAP) getting back to zero. When you get (AUDIO GAP) like a lot of kids, he's talking about puberty and masturbation. But also he starts talking about being unpopular.

And he saw his father, who was a director of commercials and movies, have some financial difficulties and ended up at Capp (ph) High School in Los Angeles. And he was very shocked by how he was treated there and ended up going to an alternative school.

He was also obsessed with video games. And what struck me was in between video games, he would watch a lot of movies. And one of the movies he was watching was "Alpha Dog," which is the story of David Addius, who are the (INAUDIBLE) students who killed four people driving down the road in 2001 on Del Playa in the same area where these shootings took place. And that young man, David Addius, had a Hollywood producer father who went to the trial and he ended up in a mental hospital and got out. But the reason he was obsessed with the movie is because all of the young people seemed to be having a lot of sex, and he was jealous. And he got very upset about any time someone was doing better with girls than he was.

And his parents -- even his stepparents tried to help him through dark times, but his jealously was deeply rooted into his teenage years. It's really something, but I have to say is someone who is well- schoold. There's a lot of name dropping in it. His mother was very close to George Lucas, Steven Spielberg. He went to many premieres. Most recently, "The Hunger Games" premieres; his dad was a second unit director on that. But he got his start (INAUDIBLE)

It's almost stranger than fiction. And as you mentioned that title, "My Twisted World," it's like he had the story and wanted his story told maybe knowing what the ending would be because everything toward the end is almost verbatim what the videos you've seen have been talking about, talking about how lonely he is and how he wants to lose his virginity. It's quite shocking.

FEYERICK: You know, you mentioned -- you mentioned this acquaintance, this body builder. Was this a friend of the gunman Elliot Rodger?

LEHR: We think it was. But it was someone who -- somehow he had some sort of online relationship with. We were aware that, you know, it was some place where he would go online to. I don't know if it was a face-to-face acquaintance at this time.

FEYERICK: And it's interesting because we have the copy that you, KEYT, have provided people. And this clearly took a lot of time for him to think through, to conceive. When you look at this -- and again, we're not releasing the details yet. We're reading through it right now. But from what you've gleaned, was there a turning point? A trigger? I mean, he even refers back to something that happened when he couldn't get on a ride at Universal Studios because he was too short. I mean, that's holding on to a grudge.

LEHR: Absolutely. His first disappointment in life was not getting the first piece of cake at a birthday party, and then later it was going to a private school in England that he really did not like being at all-boys private schools. He just seem to go from school to school, and he was actually, you know (INAUDIBLE) his parents' divorce, and then happy because it seemed like his dad was popular, but he thought why can't I be popular?

And things you think are typical adolescence, but there was a deep darkness and he was very much into video games. And every time he was around women, he just felt like he was not getting the attention that other boys he knew, in the Malibu and West Lake Area, West Hills area of L.A. were getting. And then, seemed like his parents tried to get him help but, it just spun out of control. But the amazing thing is, he's documented everything. And I know he was seeing psychiatrists, not only at UCSB, but L.A. And there will be that kind of professional people wanting to look at this and seeing if there's anything here that could've prevented this tragedy. And you've already heard parents are lining up talking about their losses right now. And it's just tragic.

FEYERICK: When you talk about the psychiatrists, Tracy, and let me be clear, is this something he goes into detail in this manifesto he's written? This 140-page manifesto called "My Twisted World"?

LEHR: I can't answer that because I'm really combing through. I'm going from page one and I'm about halfway through. I have not heard -- I have not (INAUDIBLE) that. But it does say from where I've gotten that his parents asked him to get help and was trying to help and they knew he has something going on and a dark side. And he would really get upset. Like his dad would invest a lot in a movie that didn't go well. And he was upset in the world not being a fair place, and he just took it so personally.

FEYERICK: You know, it's incredible because even reading, you know, as much as you've read through, what really emerges even on a quick scan was this was a young man who lived a life of privilege, and yet still felt he was entitled to more.

LEHR: Absolutely. He was upset when his mother moved from one house to a smaller house to an apartment because she wasn't getting as much child support. Yet she was very well connected with people in Hollywood and he would go to all of the big premieres, travel all over the country. And you probably saw the BMW, there are photos of him driving Mercedes. And there he said he was definitely thought he was wonderful looking and had the right clothes. But it wasn't - but it was not working for him as far as he felt getting the girls he deserved. And he definitely had a thing against sorority girls.

FEYERICK: What's also interesting, Tracy, as I don't know if this jumped out at you also, he refers to his dad as "father." But refers to his mom by her first name.

LEHR: That is true. He was raised, you know, by a Malaysian mother and a (INAUDIBLE) grandmother in part, and he spent a lot of time with her. So there might be mother issues, but I haven't read that yet. There's so much to comb through, and I want to read every word.

FEYERICK: All right. Tracy, thank you so much. We really appreciate your insights. We're going to let you get back to reading that. Hopefully we can have you stick around and bring you back after the break as we kind of dissect this together. Thanks so much. Tracy Lehr there with KEYT-TV, a correspondent there for the station. We'll be right back after a quick break.

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FEYERICK: Well, a quick turn of pace. Actor Gary Sinise has been making his mark on the military for years, pitching in to help veterans wherever he can. And this year, he's doing it again at the annual Memorial Day concert on the National Mall. We spoke with Gary earlier today about why he thinks this event and this day are so important to all of us.

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GARY SINESE, ACTOR: Unfortunately, there's a pretty big disconnect between the American people and its military because unless you have a personal relationship with someone, a family member who is serving or a veteran in your family or a friend or something like that, a lot of the American people don't really understand what the military does.

There's a statistic that talks about almost 70 percent of the American people are disconnected to its military and really don't know what our military and our military families go through. What's wonderful about this concert, it kind of highlights that and points up stories of sacrifice and service. Current sacrifice and sacrifice years past, and it really highlights what Memorial Day is all about.

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FEYERICK: And thanks again to Gary Sinise. He and his band, The Lieutenant Dan Band, that concert will air tomorrow night 8:00 eastern on PBS.

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FEYERICK: The gunman left behind not only YouTube videos in which he discussed killing sorority girls and all the girls who had rejected him sexually, keeping him in a life of virginity, he also left behind this: a 140-page manifesto suggesting that this was so premeditated that he had time to write and to rewrite and draft. It is the ramblings of a man who begins counting his life from the age of zero up until 22. It is titled "My Twisted World: The Story of Elliot Rodger." 140-page manifesto justifying, apparently, or at least shedding insight into what he did, this horrible tragedy.

I'm joined by Jeff Gardere. Jeff, you were able -- you and I have been flipping through this.

DR. JEFF GARDERE, CLINICAL PSYCHOLOGIST: Yes.

FEYERICK: There are certain things that jump out at you, specifically, this almost conflicted sexuality and relationship he had with these women who were just out and out rejecting him. What does it tell you?

GARDERE: Well, it tells me that he may have had some issues, of course, with coming to terms with his own sexuality, something not uncommon. But when you have a personality disorder the way that he had -- every single thing it seemed in this manifesto was about someone doing something to him. If it were someone else in his shoes, that person might say, oh, well, I was rejected for a date, it's okay. For him, gave him the cause to absolutely and totally hate women.

Sexuality, sex seems to be a real issue with him. His experiences around sex, watching pornography is something that traumatized him, and at the same time made him even more twisted, especially with this hate he had for women, for mankind in general.

FEYERICK: But he says he was horrified watching it. He says he didn't know anything about it. "I barely knew what sex was." It's when he began to develop sexual feelings. "But to see this video really traumatized me." We don't know what the pornographic video was, but still, it traumatized him, but made him want more.

I do want to bring in the rest of our panel who has been patiently standing by. Holly Hughes, Brian Claypool, Lou Palumbo. First of all, Brian, let me ask you, you see something like this, this manifesto. How do you as a criminal defense lawyer even try to defend against something like this when it is so clearly spelled out about what his mental state was?

BRIAN CLAYPOOL, CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Well, Deborah, I think what the manifesto reveals is that he was previewing what he was going to do. And that gets to a very important point that I want to make that is vastly different than what other members of the panel have said.

I think a big issue here that we have to take a look at is when did the family first report to law enforcement the YouTube clip or any comments that he made about wanting to slaughter people? And then we've got to look at how much time law enforcement had to really do an investigation in this.

Because in the aftermath of Sandy Hook and Aurora, everybody was out there saying, why didn't somebody report this before it happened? Here, we have somebody reporting it. We have a family member reporting this to law enforcement. Why wasn't there an immediate intervention?

Because I think your psychologist guest will agree, that a lot of times in mass murder, the person who is going to do it -- they're crying out for help. They want somebody to grab them, intervene and stop them from doing that. So we need to investigate why there was a big gap in not investigating this once it was reported to law enforcement.

FEYERICK: And Holly -

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FEYERICK: -- let me ask you -- one quick second. Let me ask just Holly. What about these -- wellness visits? If you called a police officer and say, you know, I think that this friend, this loved one may be a risk not only to himself but to somebody else aren't police obligated to make a wellness visit?

HOLLY HUGHES, CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Well, if they think they're in immediate danger, it's what we call a welfare check. And Lou will be able to tell you that, as well. You can say, well, I've been calling, I've been knocking on their door, their car is in the driveway, they're not there right now or we don't think they are. Can you at least investigate to see if they are harmed, if they're inside? That's what we call a welfare check. As far as my understanding, Deborah, and you can correct me if I'm wrong, is this video, this talk about slaughtering was posted the night before he went and slaughtered. So the police would have had no amount of time to go out and investigate. And let's face it, everybody's got civil rights, civil liberties, freedoms. So you know, suggesting that the police didn't do anything quick enough, you know, we can't go out there and wrestle somebody to the ground.

FEYERICK: Of course. And nobody's --

HUGHES: Because you put up a video.

CLAYPOOL: We live in a different world now. A different world.

FEYERICK: Absolutely.

HUGHES: But nobody's looking to point fingers at the police or anything like that. We don't know if, in fact, the video he posted was, in fact, the exact day before this happened. Lou, 20 seconds, last word, what is your thought?

LOU PALUMBO, CNN LAW ENFORCEMENT ANALYST: What I think should've happened here with the family is they should have gone to court to have him remanded. That's the mechanism that's in place. It's not up to the police department to take your children off the street. If you feel your children are really a threat and they need to be taken off the street, you go to court and have that done. Have them examined, have a court-ordered psychiatric evaluation and then have them remanded for evaluation and treatment. It's not up to the police to do this. It's up to the court system.

FEYRICK: That's true. That's true. And that is true.

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FEYERICK: We're going to have to wrap. But that does assume, that does assume, in fact, that the court is going to order an evaluation, that it's going to be done in a timely way. And look, if a parent is at their wit's end, it takes a community. Everybody has some personal responsibility if, in fact, there were suggestions and indications that this young man was going to do this.

Stay with us, everybody. We are going to come back with an eyewitness. That is coming up straight ahead, plus that press conference has been moved a little later, but we're going to be carrying for you live.

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FEYERICK: We're going to talk to somebody now who was there last night. Daniel Rubio, tell us what you saw. You're the manager of Silver Green's Restaurant. Just take us back there.

DANIEL RUBIO, EYEWITNESS: Sure. Yes. I was shift managing at Silver Green's last night. And I was in the back office area just doing some manager work. And there were these distinctive shots. But I didn't really register them as gun shots because we're not used to it. And one of my co-workers, she was powdering (ph) her face. She came running towards me, toward the back area and started saying, oh, those are gun shots, those are gun shots!

And that's when we all started getting worried. We started seeing people come into the restaurant worried, and I went outside to check. And I saw our sheriff's department, our police department with their guns drawn out looking through the businesses, right? And then they were walking toward Ivy Deli. And then, you know, since I was inside the restaurant still, I was trying to tell customers to stay away from the doors and windows because we have a lot of windows.

FEYERICK: Yes, and Daniel, very quickly --

RUBIO: So I was just --

FEYERICK: Daniel, did anyone talk with the gunman? Did anyone hear the gunman say any words?

RUBIO: Not that I know of, no. No. A lot of people who were coming in, I think they were just around the area at the time. But no one -- not that I know of -- no one mentioned anything about talking to the gunman.

FEYERICK: All right. Danny Rubio, we're going to have you standby for a minute. The manager of a local restaurant there where the gunman continued his rampage. We'll be back straight away.

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