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Pentagon: U.S. Troops Will Only Assess, Advise; Possible Break in Search for Flight 370; Hobby Lobby Vs. Obamacare; U.S. Battles Portugal in World Cup Showdown; Inside the Tallest Structure on Earth; Pope Francis Takes on the Mafia; U.S. Border Overwhelmed by Immigrants; Ousted CEO Fights to Regain His Job

Aired June 22, 2014 - 18:00   ET

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DEBORAH FEYERICK, CNN ANCHOR: You are in the CNN NEWSROOM. Hello, everyone. I'm Deborah Feyerick.

This hour, we are fast forwarding to the week ahead. we are going to take a look at all the stories that you are going to be talking about and hearing about this coming week.

We begin with our five questions for the week ahead.

Question number one, can American military advisors and diplomacy turn the tide in Iraq? People in Baghdad are taking their personal weapons into the streets as a violent militant group gets closer to the city.

At the same time, Secretary of State John Kerry is trying to drum up support in countries on Iraq's borders. President Obama tells CNN that the United States will not deal with Iraq alone.

Question number two, will we find missing Malaysia Airlines Flight 370? Almost four months after the 777 vanished, Australian authorities have a new lead in their search. That announcement is coming Wednesday. In a moment, a journalist who has been on this case since day one, he is going to give us some incredible insight.

Question number three, how will the Supreme Court rule on the term's biggest cases? We can find out as soon as tomorrow morning. The decision everyone is waiting for, Hobby Lobby's challenge to Obamacare. We're going to talk more about it, just ahead.

And question number four, will the Dow Jones industrial average set a new record when the markets open tomorrow? It is already bumping up against 17,000. We will take a closer look at the bullish forces behind that rally.

And question number five, can Team USA pull off an upset for World Cup glory? U.S. soccer fans are getting louder and louder and louder by the second as the game and the kickoff gets under way in Brazil.

USA's opponent is Portugal. We are going to take you live to Brazil for all the fanfare and World Cup excitement.

While, we are still being -- we are still being told by the Pentagon that U.S. military advisers are due in Iraq soon but nothing more specific than that. We do know that more Iraqi towns fell today to a violent Sunni extremist group that is threatening the entire country. And they are doing it right now with very little resistance. In fact, we are told that Iraqi police forces and military units actually pulled out of towns that were in the path of the militant group called ISIS.

Marine Corps General James Williams is with me. He commanded a combat division during the Iraq war.

And, General, let's look ahead. The advisers that are going to be deployed there, how are they actually going to bridge and process all the moving parts going on right now, not only in Baghdad but throughout the whole country, especially now that the border between Iraq and Syria is virtually non-existent really?

GEN. JAMES WILLIAMS (RET.), FORMER COMMANDER, 4TH MARINE DIVISION: Well, you know, depending on what their mission tenets are, they have a lot of capability. Special operation forces are linguistically very capable, they're politically very capable, they have great intelligence capability, they can command and control weapons systems.

So, they have a lot of capability. Now, the real question is, as they get into the political morass, is how will they sort through that? And a lot of that will depend on the State Department and what the embassy and the State Department will do to help support their effort.

So, between the diplomatic effort, the intelligence effort, the military effort and, hopefully, economic effort to try to defuse some of this, the special ops forces are very capable of doing the job that -- it will be limited in nature though, but they are very capable.

FEYERICK: Right. And obviously, we were talking with some experts the other day who said the big concern, obviously, is mission creep, you send in advisers, then the question is do you have to send in more backup? But it's interesting, because, you know, sometimes, Americans like to see a good guy and a bad guy, black, white, good, bad, and that is not really the case in terms of what is going on in Iraq. You've got the Iraqi government, which supports the military, but there are also at least half a dozen militias as well who are engaged.

WILLIAMS: Well, that's true. And ultimately, this is one of the key things that the military advisers may be able to do, depending on, you know, the extent of their mission.

But one of the things that I would expect them to do is actually to go reach out to some of the Sunni tribal leaders and try to get them to align in a way that they can have discussions. Maybe they will have some talks with the ISIS militants. And ultimately, try to defuse this so that you can have a political discussion, because you are right, the military escalation could happen very much like it did in Vietnam when we brought advisers in, in the '50s, and then sort of we had this mission creep and then ultimately, how we got out of the war was -- was a little bit of a struggle with President Nixon and Henry Kissinger at the time.

FEYERICK: Yes, absolutely. And you know, it's so interesting because we do have to look at even Kissinger and Nixon. And they ultimately made friends with enemies. The trick is the United States going to be forced into that position as well, given the developments and the threat that is there in Iraq right now?

General James Williams, thank you so much. We appreciate you joining us.

WILLIAMS: Thank you.

FEYERICK: And two developments tonight in the painstaking search for Malaysia Airlines Flight 370. Months after the Boeing 777 disappeared with 239 people aboard, Australian authorities on Wednesday will announce a brand-new search area. After re-evaluating satellite data, they say that this could be their best chance yet to finding the missing airliner.

Also, Malaysian authorities are blasting a report which names the plane's captain as the prime suspect in the plane's disappearance.

Clive Irving, contributor to "The Daily Beast", just wrote a very lengthy piece on this investigation. He joins me now.

And, Clive, let's start with this new search area. This appears also to be a search area that the NTSB thought would yield some good clues. Why wasn't it searched before?

CLIVE IRVING, CONTRIBUTOR, THE DAILY BEAST: I think there's been an argument going on behind the scenes about this because the first search area was really a result of what they thought were the pings coming from the flight recorder. It turned out the pings were coming from the search equipment itself. So, there is a dispute going on amongst the people who really know about this, whether that's all a waste of time to do that, because the people who created the first and only surviving link to that plane Inmarsat, these people in London who did set the course down into this -- down into the south -- southern ocean --

FEYERICK: Right.

IRVING: -- they now think this new area which they are going to, which is 1,000 miles west of Perth, southwest of Perth, way out into the southern Indian Ocean, they've always thought this was the most promising part because according to their calculations, this is where the flight would have ended. And so, there was some confusion about why that first search was undertaken at all.

But I think we have to caution everybody to expect this to take a very long time because if you're going to lose a plane anywhere in the world, this is possibly one of the worst places to lose it in.

FEYERICK: Plus, it's winter down there the seas are much rough and going to be much more difficult and it's interesting that initially, they were searching the physical sounds basically that they saw. Will they have more success? Will they put in the same kind of resources in terms of the ships that are going to be there, the underwater vehicles that are going to be there? How does this play out? IRVING: Not very well resourced at the moment. One of the missions

about, this the role being played by the Chinese. The Chinese have a big investment in this search, so many of their own people were on the plane.

There are two ships out there at the moment. One is a duck ship, which is a service ship. Another one is a Chinese ship, not quite clear what that ship is doing, except some say it is habit there.

But in the end, what you have to do is have a map first, not only is it very deep it is very mountainous and full of valleys and also a thick layer of silt on the bottom of the ocean. So, whatever wreckage is down there will be swallowed up in the silt, too which makes it even more difficult.

FEYERICK: So it could very well simply disappeared into the ocean bottom basically --

IRVING: Right, and we do have to remember at the end, there is one saving question over all other questions in the end of this story which is the thing that investigators always have to answer, which is one simple question, which is -- did anything happen here that we haven't seen before and is it going to happen again? So, you know, that's what we have got to get the answer to.

FEYERICK: Well, that's exactly right, because then obviously that affects potentially future planes that are flying. And just very, very quickly, yes or no, do you think that the pilot possibly could have had some involvement given this latest report?

IRVING: No, no, no. I think it's very unlikely, very, very convenient to blame them, it then shifts the attention away from all the other failures that could have occurred.

FEYERICK: The mechanical failures and human error?

IRVING: The security failures at the airport, too.

FEYERICK: Yes, absolutely. All right. Clive Irving, thank you so much. Always a pleasure.

And coming up, the Supreme Court sure knows how to take its time, some might say procrastinate. The end of the term is days away, which means this week should be chockfull of controversial rulings, including Hobby Lobby. How will they rule? We'll discuss.

Plus, say it ain't so. Are you one of the millions of people who order drinks like, I don't know, triple venti half-sweet non-fat half, half caramel macchiato at Starbucks? Get ready to dig into your wallet, your $5 morning fix is about to cost you even more.

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FEYERICK: And right now, you are looking at a live picture of the Supreme Court. And the justices there have saved the best for last. The biggest decision of this term could come as soon as tomorrow morning. How are they going to decide?

Well, CNN commentators Ben Ferguson and Marc Lamont Hill join me right now.

Gentlemen, let's start with the big one, the so-called Hobby Lobby case. Justices going to decide if the Obamacare law can legally require employers -- in this case the Hobby Lobby -- to offer contraception to their employees.

Marc, how do you think the court is going to decide on this one?

MARC LAMONT HILL, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: This is a tough decision. I would hate to be a Supreme Court justice on this one because Hobby Lobby makes a very compelling argument. Again, this isn't a First Amendment question as much as it is a statutory question ultimately, they have to decide whether employers are -- whether corporations are individuals or whether their religious conscious and religious beliefs can be transferred to employees in terms of whether or not they can say, look, we don't want to cover abortions, we don't want to cover emergency contraceptions.

It's a dangerous precedent, though, the Supreme Court would be setting if they ruled in favor of Hobby Lobby, because all of a sudden, all sorts of religious beliefs of employers could be used to deny statutory access to their employees. That would be very dangerous.

FEYERICK: And we have seen that in other cases as well.

Ben, a decision on this case, how do you think the court is going to rule? Do you think that they should block contraception?

BEN FERGUSON, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: I think it's going to be very close and I think that this very well could come down to the conservatives and the liberals on the court, and maybe one swing in between, because based on history and other rulings they have recently dealing with Obamacare, and other issues like this, they really do seem to be torn.

I mean, if you look at Hobby Lobby's argument, they are saying, look, we are a good company, we give above average health care to our employees. We pay above-average wages to our employees, but we are a very conservative, religious company and we do not feel that we should be forced to pay for something that goes against what we truly believe in as a core, the same way the Catholic charities believe this and they were given exemption by Obamacare.

So, I think that's where the Supreme Court is going to struggle with this and saying, you know, others may take advantage of this. I think most see Hobby Lobby as a company that's not trying to take advantage of it. They're not trying to get out of Obamacare. They're saying on this one issue, though, we need some leeway the same way that non- profits and religious groups were given this out and we think we should be able to have it as well.

And that's where I think the Supreme Court says, are people going to abuse this in the future, not be as responsible as Hobby Lobby? And that's where it comes down to a very tough decision.

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FEYERICK: All right. So, just -- go ahead -- well, before we -- before we go to the next question, Ben, so yes or no, and, Marc, then I'm going to ask you. Yes or no, does Hobby Lobby win this? Ben?

FERGUSON: I think there's a good chance they could win this very closely.

FEYERICK: OK. Marc?

HILL: I think so, too, but with a few exceptions. The Supreme Court can also punt. They can also say it is only based on its for-profit status. There are a lot of other things in between yes or no, but my ultimate --

FERGUSON: A lot of outs.

HILL: Yes, yes, there are a lot of outs.

FEYERICK: So, we are going to switch gears. We're also waiting for another high-profile decision and that is do police need a search warrant to search cell phones of somebody who is under arrest? So, what do you think, Marc?

HILL: I say yes and here's why. If I'm committing a crime and you see me making a call, old school days, Ben's much older than me, he probably remembers this, you know the pagers, you can see the number popping up. Obviously, the number itself could be seen as connected to a crime.

But now, phones don't just hold numbers anymore, they hold your personal information. They hold your banking information, your health information, your family connections. This is much more like breaking into your house than it is breaking into a telephone, to go into today's telephones. And so, you actually need a warrant to protect people's privacy and people's rights. We can't allow the government to continue to encroach the way they have.

FERGUSON: Your phone has become your computer and so, with technology, the fact that many people, their phone is their computer, it's their most prized possession, they'd rather have their wallet stolen than their phone stolen, I absolutely believe that the police should have to get a warrant to be able to go through your phone because the other issue is, what if you were filming something and the police start going through your phone and they decide they don't want anyone else to see it and they delete it? That can't happen if they think that maybe there is something they don't want to get out.

So I don't think they should able to just rummage through your phone the same way that I think if you had a computer in your car, they wouldn't be able to just plug it in somewhere and go through everything. To me, it's one in the same and they should have to get that warrant. FEYERICK: All right. Ben Ferguson, Marc Lamont Hill, thanks so much

for your insights on that. We'll see what the Supreme Court ends up doing, possibly tomorrow, Monday.

Well, the stock market continues to reach milestones. This week it could hit new record highs. But why? And is it too late to buy or is it time to sell? That's ahead.

Plus, Pope Francis excommunicates the mafia, all of them. A former lieutenant for Boston mobster Whitey Bulger is going to join me.

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FEYERICK: Who knew that coffee could be such an expensive habit? Well, about to get even more expensive. Next time you head to Starbucks for that non-fat caramel cappuccino macchiato, may want to check your sofa cushions, your pocketbooks and jacket coats for extra change. Starting Tuesday, Starbucks is going to charge up to 20 cents more for small and large drinks. Yes, that's tall and venti in Starbucks speak. The grande, that's the medium size, those coffees and the frappachinos, going to be spared the price hike.

And the stock market broke 15,000 a year ago. Six months later, it cracked 16,000. Hold onto your portfolio. When the markets open tomorrow morning, many investors are looking for the Dow to hit 17,000 for the first time.

CNNMoney correspondent, Cristina Alesci, is here.

Cristina, what is driving this five-year rally? Because it's getting so high. I think people are getting nervous that maybe they should take what they've got and get out?

CRISTINA ALESCI, CNNMONEY CORRESPONDENT: There are a couple things driving the rally, the biggest thing is the Fed, because it's keeping interest rates low and that has investor risk appetite up. You remember earlier this year, we thought that investors were actually pulling back a little bit because we saw a pull back in tech stock and small caps, which are the higher risk stocks.

Well, some of those names are coming back, like Tesla and Netflix. Those stocks are -- have seen a little bit of a rally, so, risk appetite is up, not to mention the fact that we don't have any really negative economic data. So, the lack of negative data is giving people confidence to keep buying.

Then, you have the fact that companies reporting earnings that are quite good. You look at FedEx last week, they said that they reported earnings that beat expectation and the CFO said that that would continue to next year. In other words, they will have even better results next year. And FedEx is one of those names that people consider a gauge for the overall economy, because the better you feel about the economy, hypothetically, the more you ship, the more companies ship, and the story goes.

FEYERICK: So, look, we have seen these highs, but usually they're associated with a bubble of some sort. Are investors nervous that maybe we are in this sort of bubble period right now?

ALESCI: In certain sectors, investors are expressing some skepticism, as I said, even though we have seen some tech stocks come back, others haven't. So, clearly, there is some concerns that the valuations around certain names are frothy. But overall, let's not forget that although we've had a five-year bull run in stocks, that is not the longest bull run we've had, right?

We've seen these unbelievable stretches, the longest one was 1987 to the year 2000 when we had that tech crash. So, we could go a lot longer here.

FEYERICK: OK. Well, let's hope so.

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FEYERICK: All right. Cristina, thank you so much. Great information. We appreciate it now we know what to expect when the markets open tomorrow.

Well, check it out. You're watching U.S. troops in Afghanistan as they watch the World Cup in Brazil. We will check in with Team USA fan zones around the world. That's coming up next.

Also, who will be basketball's brightest and newest star for the upcoming season? Find out on Thursday during the NBA draft here in Brooklyn. The Cleveland Cavaliers get to pick first and reports say that the team may choose Jabari Parker, a forward from Duke.

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FEYERICK: All right. Team USA close a number of times, but right now, they are battling against Portugal, Portugal scoring a quick goal to take the lead in a World Cup showdown. Can the U.S. team rally and pull off what many consider an upset?

CNN international host of "World Sports", Lara Baldesarra, joins us in Rio. Richard Roth is with the official U.S. soccer fan club, the Outlaws, in New York. Lara, first of all, the energy there behind you, describe what's going on and does Team USA think they can pull it out?

LARA BALDESARRA, CNN HOST, CNN INTERNATIONAL'S WORLD SPORT: It is quiet. It's game time now. Everybody is quiet. Everybody here is intensely watching this game.

Now, before, I was wondering what the neutral fans would do seeing we are in Brazil. Of course, there is a connection with Portugal and sure enough, when Portugal did score on in the fifth minute, this crowd erupted.

But the Americans immediately began chanting afterwards. They are not giving up that well or that fight. And I want to read to you what the passion inside the American jersey that they are wearing tonight in their jersey says. It says, "The American will to win is stronger than any opponent in your way." And right now for Team USA, it's not just Portugal in their way, but their goal down, they have got to get back from that goal.

And by the looks of it, they are fighting hard and through Clint Dempsey, they are coming awfully close. I honestly think that it's only a matter of time before the USA is on the score sheet.

FEYERICK: Richard, every time -- it looks like the Americans are getting close to the goal. They've gotten a number of kicks off the goalie able to stop them, seems like a lot of energy and power behind the kicks. What would you tell the coach right now if you could whisper in his ear?

RICHARD ROTH, CNN SENIOR UNITED NATIONS CORRESPONDENT: Well, I couldn't hear your question, I think I know where it is going, Portugal scored fifth minute by Nani, who plays football in Manchester United in England during the year. And sometimes, teams will pull back, take it easy? And that humidity, while the U.S. has pressed and Dempsey and Michael Bradley had close shots, this crowd was down for about two seconds after the Portuguese goal.

What do you think about the way the U.S. is playing?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You know what, we are playing really positive. It was really unfortunate to give up that early fluke of a goal, but we've controlled this match so far so we are right in it.

ROTH: Do you think the U.S. will score? Are they getting closer?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I don't know, I think we have got (INAUDIBLE) USA play, I think time will tell, and we'll be better.

ROTH: What do you think about the match so far?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: So far. We're exactly where we need to be. As far as Portugal making the first goal, that's exact actually what USA needs to keep pushing on for the next score and then the next group's stage.

ROTH: Well, the U.S. did score the first goal in the first match when they were victorious over Ghana. Portugal may be a little bit tougher but they were clobbered by Germany in their first match. But game to game in this World Cup, the rules have been quite different. So we got about 15 minutes left in the first half. Still a long way to go. Back to you.

FEYERICK: Right. And it's interesting, I like the way he termed it, he called it a fluke of a goal.

Lara, if U.S. team either ties or loses this match, how does that affect chances for World Cup advancement? Are they knocked out of this round if they don't win?

LARA BALDESARRA, CNN SPORTS CORRESPONDENT: No, they are not. Here is the key to this one. If they win, they are definitely through. If they draw, they are in a very, very good position to move on as well. It means that going into their next match against Germany, they can also draw that one and they would both be through. And I'm going to let you in on a little secret here, if that match,

that final match goes to a draw, USA and Germany, if that's all it takes, well, you know, the German coach used to be the head coach, Jurgen Klinsmann of the USA. There's very close ties here, so who know if there might be a little leeway on both sides of that one.

Now if they lose, the USA, this match against Portugal, they are also not out, It just makes it a lot more difficult for them to progress forward. Goal difference will come into effect. So the ideal -- the ideal outcome of this match is that the USA wins because it's automatically through.

FEYERICK: OK. All right. Lara Baldesarra and Richard Roth, thank you so much.

Like I said, the U.S. keeps coming so close, they just can't get it in. So we'll keep watching.

All right, well, for those of you who need a break from the World Cup, grab a bowl of strawberries and cream for some tennis at Wimbledon. The action begins Monday. Some players set to keep an eye on, the number one seed, Novack Djokovic, Americans John Eisner and Serena Williams, and the women's winner of the French Open, Russian Maria Sharapova.

And see this guy? That is John "Red" Shea. He is an author, but he also used to work for the infamous Boston mobster, Whitey Bulger. Well, he's got a lot to say about the Pope's recent comments, ex- communicating mafia members from the Catholic Church. That is coming up on the other side.

But first, Dubai is synonymous with wealth, beauty and state-of-the- art design. Its crown jewel, the Burj Khalifa, is not only the world's tallest building but truly a technological marvel.

Here is CNN's Erin Burnett with this week's "City of Tomorrow."

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ERIN BURNETT, CNN ANCHOR, "OUTFRONT WITH ERIN BURNETT" (voice-over): At 2,716 feet, the Burj Khalifa is the tallest structure ever build on earth. Towering over the city of Dubai, it has the highest observation deck and the highest restaurant in a skyscraper, and its owners say, it has the highest swimming pool in the world.

(On camera): Is there a room for tall buildings like this that aren't just, you know, a landmark?

MOHAMED ALABBAR, EMAAR PROPERTIES: Yes.

BURNETT: Or something beautiful to look at but actually function and are efficient and profitable?

ALABBAR: I think they are. I think nowadays people are building smarter. BURNETT (voice-over): Smarter and more efficient. Mohamed Alabbar

built the Burj at an estimated cost of $1.5 billion. Its doors opened in 2010.

(On camera): Today, it was -- I don't know, 110 degrees? How do you keep this cool?

ALABBAR: Well, of course, it's a combination of good design, to start with. Good advanced mechanical, electrical system. Of course, most advanced skin on the building, so the make-up with the curtain wall, the type of glass we're using, the way it reflects heat. All that is a combination of advanced technologies and monitoring the building every single hour.

BURNETT (voice-over): Using an innovative thermal ice storm rage system, the tower is currently kept cool with the equivalent of 13,000 tons of ice.

The Burj is monitored 24 hours a day in a main control room where engineers measure everything from power and water use to wind speed and seismic activity. On a windy day, the top of the tower can move up to six feet in either direction and the base is designed to shift in the event of an earthquake.

(On camera): Do you get a little nervous when there's an earthquake in here?

ALABBAR: I used to. Now I trust it so much. Because recently, last week, we had quite a good movement in town.

BURNETT (voice-over): Getting to the observation deck on 124th floor takes only about 60 seconds in one of the tower's 57 elevators. Its especially designed lifts can move up to 12,000 people a day and even act as a power source.

(On camera): They are actually creating power?

ALABBAR: Of course they create power and then the power goes back to the grid to the system that we have, lighting part of the building as well.

BURNETT (voice-over): Alabbar explains how the Burj Khalifa captures water from outside the building itself in Dubai's sweltering humid air.

ALABBAR: We take great pride in the condensation that happens on the skin of the building and then gets collected and we use it for our irrigation system and the whole development. What we collect is equivalent to almost 20 Olympic pool sizes of condensation on the skin of this building and it's very valuable when you live in the desert, of course.

BURNETT: And while it's only been open for four years, he's already thinking of building bigger and better.

ALABBAR: Height is something very special for human beings. I think technology had improved, we can do much better next time.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Do you renounce Satan?

AL PACINO, ACTOR, "THE GODFATHER": I do renounce him.

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FEYERICK: Well, that unforgettable scene from "The Godfather," the baby being baptized, as Michael Corleone seeks revenge on all his enemies. It spotlights both the mafia and also the church, which brings us to this question.

How will the underworld react to Pope Francis' latest headline- grabbing declaration?

The Pope traveled to southern Italy on Saturday and took on the Italian mafia. Pope Francis said that mafia members are in conflict with God and he declared them ex-communicated.

Let's bring in John "Red" Shea. He's a former top lieutenant in the South Boston Irish mob under Whitey Bulger.

You're also the author of "Rat Bastards."

John, what is your reaction to the Pope's remarks? Do you think that members of the mafia should be simply ex-communicated because the lifestyle is not consistent with religion?

JOHN "RED" SHEA, FORMER MOBSTER: Well, first of all, Deb, thank you for having me on. And I have to say, quite frankly, I really do like this Pope. I think he is doing a great job. I'm a Catholic, a Roman Catholic, being Irish. And -- but I have to say the direction that he had take within his language wasn't the direction that I would have taken. I don't agree with it.

And for that, it -- just to say, I think he should have said, listen, we don't condone this type of lifestyle but our doors are opened to you. Our doors are open to you to come in and to repent your sins of what you're doing and to change your life. Not to close the door on them and say, you are not allowed anymore and we don't look at you -- look at you -- at you as a Catholic. You're ex-communicated. Good- bye.

FEYERICK: But do you think --

SHEA: I don't think that's the way to go about it.

FEYERICK: Do you think on some levels, though, John, that, look, members of the mafia have used the church as cover for years. It gives them a sort of sense of, you know, being religious, of being good. They see themselves as good Catholics, and then they're out there committing crimes. So it's one thing to sort of be the prodigal son.

Do you think it had to be all or nothing, at least for the time being? You could always -- there are ways to come back.

SHEA: Well, I think that's another message he could -- he could have expressed that even himself and said, hey, listen, we don't condone any of that lifestyle. But we -- still, we want you to change your life and by doing that we want you to come into the church and repent your sins. And to stop.

Now that's not going to happen in one day or two days, it's going to take time just for myself, as I change my life. And religion was a big part of changing my life. And to take that away from me would have -- who knows, I probably wouldn't have changed my life. I don't know that. But it helped. And that's what I'm saying. You cannot take away something that can be helpful to changing someone who lives that type of life.

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SHEA: That said --

FEYERICK: Which is a great point. Which is a great point.

Italian prosecutors have said that they're worried about the Pope's safety now. Do you think in their hearts of hearts the mafia would ever, ever target the Pope? Has he put himself at risk?

SHEA: I mean, listen, the Pope is a high figure individual. And I do not think that they would do anything such as that just for the simple fact that some of these guys are religious, believe it or not. Look at these Italian funerals that they have. These funerals are -- you know, huge, with motorcades and flowers and everything else.

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FEYERICK: Right.

SHEA: I mean, not only that --

FEYERICK: They definitely can't run the risk.

John, we're going to bring you back in just a little bit.

SHEA: That's correct.

FEYERICK: So stand by for us. Stand by for us while we take a quick turn.

We do want to now sort of switch to the looming humanitarian crisis that's going on on the southern U.S. border, places like Mckellen, Texas, that used to see illegal border crossings in the dozens, they're now seeing hundreds a day. A lot of those people travelled for two weeks to reach the U.S. from various countries in Central America. Many arrive in bad shape, even carrying infectious diseases. It is rapidly overwhelming U.S. facilities. Our Nick Valencia is covering the story for us from Atlanta.

Nic, where's the epicenter of the growing crisis? What should we be looking for this week?

NICK VALENCIA, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Yes, hey, Deb. The focus will continue to be on south Texas and specifically Mckellen. They've been, in essence, overwhelmed by this humanitarian crisis, as you said, an influx in immigration, and the push by the White Housed administration there, the Obama administration, will be to ease the workload on Border Patrol agents.

According to the Associated Press who's citing the San Diego Sector Chief, two flights carrying each 140 immigrants will leave on Monday to San Diego and El Centro, respectively. We reached out to the Department of Homeland Security to the get a statement on that. They did not give us a statement, according to the AP, that will happen on Monday.

The next push, Deb, will be by the White House to find other cities outside of Texas for these temporary housing facilities or detention centers but we saw this past week just how that backfired on the administration.

There was a deal in Lawrenceville, Virginia, to house hundreds of unaccompanied, undocumented children there in that small town in a now-defunct historically black college. That deal did not go through. Why? Because there was a big pushback by the community. The community there of about 7,000 pushing back on the White House, citing safety and health concerns.

You mentioned there just deplorable conditions in some of these facilities and the community there was outraged and that just didn't happen, Deb. So there will be a push this week to find other cities for those temporary housing and detention center facilities -- Deb.

FEYERICK: All right. A complicated problem, Nick Valencia. Thank you so much. We appreciate that.

VALENCIA: You bet.

FEYERICK: Well, chances are that for better or for worse, you're going to hearing a lot about the controversial founder and CEO of American Apparel in the week ahead. He was ousted from his company after multiple sexual misconduct claims. He is not going down without a fight.

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FEYERICK: Well, the ousted CEO of American Apparel vows to get his job back. Dov Charney was fired last week from the company that he founded 16 years ago. Sources say it was related to sexual harassment allegations. Charney's attorney has since notified the board that he is prepared to fight back.

Cristina Alesci at CNNMoney join us with details. You broke this story yesterday. Why has he not taken the package of

$4 million that's being offered to him and leaving quietly?

CRISTINA ALESCI, CNNMONEY CORRESPONDENT: Well, there's two ways to look at this story, right? You can look at it from the Board's point of view and see maybe a founder that was, you know, controversial, going too far and the Board finally taking action against him, or you could see it from Charney's point of view which is, look, I founded this company, now you want to steal it from me and pay me less than maybe what I'm -- what I'm entitled to under the terms of my contract, my employment agreement.

So that may be the two sides of what's -- of this story right now. So he may not want to take the deal on the table. He wants to fight, obviously.

FEYERICK: Because, as you said, he's looking at either taking $4 million and gone quietly or $20 million, which is a compensation he is entitled to under his deem -- correct.

ALESCI: We don't know exactly how much he is entitled to, but he -- you know, sources close to him say that he may be entitled to more than what the board is willing -- was willing to give him under the terms of that agreement.

Now what does he want to do, is the question. Does he want to just fight for more money or does he really want to take control of this company.? And there are a couple of ways for him to do that, right? He can try and get the support of the other shareholders to potentially buy the company for himself.

Now that presents a whole host of challenges. He's got to go out and find the money to do that.

FEYERICK: Right.

ALESCI: And it's very hard to see a bank or a lending institution giving him the money to do this, just because of his reputation and what has happened in the past and now, you know, what the board is saying about him, it's going to be an uphill battle to do that.

FEYERICK: And clearly, obviously he's been dogged by some allegations like this in the past, we don't know what he is entitled to under the terms of this contract, so clearly, though, more than what he is being offered and that is the issue.

All right, Cristina Alesci, thank you so much. We appreciate your bringing us up to speed on that.

And actor Johnny Depp has arrived in Boston to film his new movie "Black Mask." But some people there have a message for him and the rest of the crew. Get in your cars and go.

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FEYERICK: A movie about convicted Irish mobster Whitey Bulger is being filmed in Boston. Well, some people there are outrage and disgusted. The movie called "Black Mask" is shooting in South Boston neighborhood that are filled with families of Whitey Bulger's victims.

Actor Johnny Depp is playing Bulger. Huge crowds are following Depp's every move in South Boston.

I want to bring in former mobster John "Red" Shea, author of the book, "Rat Bastards," about mafia's betrayal of the code.

Red, are you worried that this movie is going to glorify Whitey Bulger?

SHEA: Absolutely not. I mean -- I think it's going to tell his wife about him, his family and his doings within the mafia and the history of his wife. But I don't think it's really going to glorify him because in the end, Deb, you have realize this man worked for the FBI for 30 years. He was an informant for 30 years and he -- so he was a fraud to everyone. So it's hard to say that they are going to polish it up and make him look ling a great guy. By no means is that going happen, I'm sure.

FEYERICK: And you know, it's interesting, because I was in Boston, covered the Whitey Bulger trial, I spoke to you at length during that time. Has Boston recovered? "Black Mask" is basically about how -- these are the reporters that uncovered the fact that he was a snitch for the FBI and the corruption of the FBI back in the '70s and the '80s. Do you think that Bulger should have stood down or do you think this will be a good telling of the man who is not only corrupt criminally but personally as well?

SHEA: Let me just say this, if it was Whitey Bulger telling the story himself, he would -- of course, he would make himself look like a prince. Now it's black mass, Dick Leer and Gerald O'Neil, who are great guys. Dick is a great guy, he has been a great writer, he is a professor, just a real gentleman and you know what, I'm happy for them. I'm happy that their book is being made into a movie and I think they are doing it right. I really do. I think they are going to portray Whitey for who he is and what he was. And he is definitely not going to be glorified.

FEYERICK: Yes, and clearly, what he was a stone-cold killer. He killed people in cold blood. John, you know, when you look at all the attention, it's been almost -- a little less than a year since he was convicted. Do you think that Whitey Bulger got what he deserved?

SHEA: Absolutely. Absolutely. You know, he -- by -- for me, I think he should have taken full responsibility and never had a trial. He should have just pled guilty to everything in the very beginning. Why go to trial? You know? But I think the reason why he really went to trial is because he wanted to expose the other people that went against him. And that was his -- I think his real reason for going to trial. But again, I think best would have been -- I accept full responsibility, like I did in my life, for the wrongs that I did. But I didn't put it on anyone else's shoulders. I took the full responsibility obviously.

FEYERICK: Right. Because he was still ratting people out, even during the trial, pointing the finger and making allegations --

SHEA: Even during the trial.

FEYERICK: All right, John Shea, always a pleasure.

SHEA: That's correct.

FEYERICK: Thank you so much. We appreciate it.

SHEA: Thank you very much.

FEYERICK: And before we leave, we have sad news to report about a very respected Middle East expert and a great friend to this network.

Fouad Ajami has died of cancer. According to Stanford's Hoover Institution, where he served as a senior fellow. You will recognize him as a regular guest on this network and this program. Through the years, he shared his expertise on the Middle East, the situations in Iraq and Syria and so many other important issues, our own Wolf Blitzer tweeted, "I'm so sad to learn the brilliant Middle East scholar, Fouad Ajami has passed away. He was my professor at Johns Hopkins, my deepest .

And CNN's Anderson Cooper twitted "a man I great admired. Fouad Ajami has died. He was a great intellect and was full of grace and compassion. It's been an honor to know him.

Fouad Ajami, a gentleman in every respect, was 68 years old.

I'm Deborah Feyerick. Stay with CNN and CNN.com for breaking news. Up next, a CNN Special Report, Michael Jackson, the final days. Then, at 8 eastern, it is a '60s marathon, beginning with television comes of age. Stay tuned.

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