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Pope Francis Meets with Abuse Victims; Administration under Fire for Immigration Crisis; Court to Respond to Aaron Hernandez's Requests; Using Google Glass to Hack; Oscar Pistorius on Trial

Aired July 07, 2014 - 09:30   ET

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BOB BAER, CNN NATIONAL SECURITY ANALYST: And this data base wasn't created by probable cause that you may or may not have committed a crime. So, yes, innocent Americans can easily be targeted with the database like this. And I find it very disturbing.

BRIANNA KEILAR, CNN ANCHOR: Now so some of these folks who are being looked at, they may have gone on an online forum. They may have actually corresponded with someone who is the target, you know, in the story we see someone is a romantic interest of someone, maybe not surprising that they're being looked at.

But are you talking about people who aren't really connected to someone who may be involved in terrorism or is suspected of being involved in terrorism, those are the folks who are being caught up in this?

BAER: Exactly. I have a friend, he happens to be French, he calls -- he's been calling to a certain exchange in Beirut, which is also shared by Hezbollah. He has no connections with Hezbollah, but that was enough to get him put on a no fly list. He flew to New York, once, was turned around, tried again, turned around a second time, and he has American children. And it was simply based on these vast databases. And that we can't look into them. And the federal government acts on them.

KEILAR: Do you think that this is going to -- I mean, this is a big revelation. This is kind of I think the stuff that really scares Americans when they're talking about privacy and these spy programs. Is this going to affect the reforming of NSA practices, you think?

BAER: Oh, it absolutely has to. And Congress has got to take over. They have to have some sort of accountability. You have to have an ombudsman, an objective person, out at the NSA and every time someone gets into one of these databases, if they're not destroyed outright, there has to be a record of it, an explanation, why this searcher has decided there is something wrong that has been committed or a crime.

And it is all to make a record of this. We need accountability for this. There is no question about it.

KEILAR: All right, Bob, thank you so much.

CNN intelligence and security analyst Bob Baer breaking that down for us. Now for the first time since he became head of the Catholic Church,

Pope Francis has met with victims of the church's sex abuse scandal. The meeting taking place at the Pope's private residence at the Vatican earlier today.

And in a moment, a spokesman calling this, quote, "a profound spiritual encounter."

Joining me now to talk about this, CNN Vatican correspondent Delia Gallagher. And CNN religion commentator and host of the Sunday masses, Father Edward Beck.

Delia, the Pope here begged for forgiveness from these victims. Tell us more about who they are and how this meeting happened.

DELIA GALLAGHER, CNN VATICAN CORRESPONDENT: Brianna, this was a historic day for Pope Francis, as you said, the first time that he has met with victims of clerical sex abuse. There were six of them, two from Great Britain, two from Germany, two from Ireland, three men and three women. The meeting was organized in part by Boston Cardinal Shean O'Malley, who is on the Pope's Commission for the Protection of Minors.

This is one of the things that they helped to organize. The victims were brought to the Vatican yesterday, they were able to see the Pope briefly at dinner, and then this morning, a private mass with the Pope and after the mass, Brianna, a half an hour face-to-face, private meeting, for each victim with Pope Francis.

Father Lombardi, the papal spokesman, said at a briefing just a few moments ago, that he saw that both the Pope and the victims were very moved by the meeting -- Brianna.

KEILAR: And obviously, Father Beck, this is an important gesture here. But some of the -- for instance, one of the leading groups, the survivors network of those abused by priests really says that this is not enough. They feel that this is basically a stunt, if you kind of boil down what they're saying.

And some critics of the Vatican say, yes, this Pope has done a lot to root out corruption, this Pope has been more accepting of homosexual Catholics, but he hasn't done enough on this topic. Do you think this is enough?

FATHER EDWARD BECK, CNN RELIGION CORRESPONDENT: Well, I think really, Brianna, it's the beginning. Remember, he hasn't been Pope all that long. He's the first Pope to meet with abuse victims at the Vatican. He hosted them for a dinner. He then had mass with them. He gave a very moving homily this morning. If you read the text of that, he said Jesus weeps in the gospel like the church and I and others are weeping over this. He said there is no room for this in the Catholic Church.

I understand they were very moved in that chapel and then he met, as Brianna -- as our correspondent said with them for half an hour each, three-hour meeting. And, again, he's formed a whole commission now to continue to address these needs. He said in these public statements today, this morning, bishops will be held accountable. That's first time I've heard a Pope say that. That's what people have been asking for.

So this is a process -- I don't think we can expect everything to happen all at once because this has been such an ongoing issue and problem. But Pope Francis is taking steps that no Pope so far has taken and I think we'll continue to see more.

KEILAR: Yes, just this last spring instituting his zero tolerance policy which obviously is something that a lot of folks looked at and said that's a very good idea to move forward with that.

Delia, one of the other things that has been discussed here, the Pope vowing to make reparations. Do we know anything about what that would look like?

GALLAGHER: Well, there are a number of ways to make reparations. Obviously one of them is financial. That's been going on for at least the last 10 years in the Catholic Church around the world. Another is what we have seen this morning, a kind of person psychological reconciliation. And in fact, the Vatican spokesman said that the Pope's expectation from this morning's meeting is that those victims with whom he met would feel listened to and welcomed.

So just a kind of very particular focus on those victims this morning. But in terms of the larger sense of reparations, I think Father Beck is exactly right. The larger question right now is accountability for bishops, very important that the Pope mentioned that today.

Another question about how that's exactly going to be enforced and the second question that the commission is meant to address is keeping all of the protocols uniform throughout the world. We're dealing with thousands of Catholic diocese around the world, they all have to be on the same page. That Pope's commission looking at that issue right now -- Brianna.

KEILAR: Yes, fascinating morning there at the Vatican.

Delia Gallagher and Father Beck, really appreciate it.

Well, the Obama administration is facing some sharp criticism from both sides of the aisle this morning for its handling of the immigration crisis. The president is headed to Texas on Wednesday, but he has no plans to visit the border. The state has been dealing with an influx of undocumented immigrants, mostly women and children, from Honduras, Guatemala and other Latin American countries.

And now Texas Democratic Congressman Henry Cuellar and Republican Governor Rick Perry are both blaming the president for failing to act.

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