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New Audio from Inside Kosher Market Attack; World Leaders to Join Paris Rally; France on High Alert as Investigations Continue; Rising Female Jihadists; Morton Storm Inside Al Qaeda's Anwar al- Awlaki
Aired January 10, 2015 - 20:00 ET
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BRIANNA KEILAR, CNN ANCHOR: We want to welcome our viewers in the United States and around the world. And we begin now with brand new audio. In it you will hear the chilling voice of Amedy Coulibaly as he holds hostages in a kosher grocery market in Paris.
A French reporter called the source landline number. Coulibaly picked up -- picked up the phone, tried to hang up but surprisingly he never actually did hang up. French RTL Radio reporter reported the ambient sound inside of the market.
The terrorist explains to hostages his motives, telling them they're responsible for the killing of children in Syria and for the discrimination against Muslim people in France. Listen to this.
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AMEDY COULIBALY, SUSPECTED TERRORIST: Me, I was born in France. If they didn't attack other countries I wouldn't be here. I think of those who wanted Bashar al-Assad in Syria. They tortured the kids. They killed people. We didn't intervene for years. They, they sent bombers, they did a coalition with 5,000 countries. And then they intervened at the end. But I'm telling you, it's almost over. Militants are going to come. They are going to be more and more.
They need to stop. They need to stop attacking ISIS. They need to stop asking our women to remove the hijab. They need to stop putting our brothers in jail.
You pay taxes so that means you agree.
UNIDENTIFIED HOSTAGE: But we have to pay.
COULIBALY: What? We don't have to. I don't pay my taxes.
UNIDENTIFIED HOSTAGE: When I pay my taxes, it's for the highways, schools.
COULIBALY: When you pay taxes, 30 percent goes to the defense department, 30 percent goes to the agriculture department, et cetera.
UNIDENTIFIED HOSTAGE: We pay our taxes but we don't harm anybody.
COULIBALY: Everyone could get together. If they could get together for "Charlie Hebdo," organize protests and say let Muslim people be and we will let you be. Why are you not doing that? For us it's an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth. You know it well. Allah said in the Koran, "If then anyone transgresses the prohibition against you, transgress ye likewise against him."
If you harm our children, our women, our fighters, our old men, we will attack the men who fight against us. You don't know what's going in Muslim countries. Now I'm telling you, you're army, if they don't want to go there it's because they can't with against Muslim people. They will never win. Wherever they fought in the past they never won. Allah is with us. As Osama bin Laden said, "You will never get peace, we are the ones who will get peace in Palestine."
(END VIDEO CLIP)
KEILAR: Jim Sciutto is in Paris following all of the latest developments on this story.
And it's so chilling, Jim, to hear that conversation between Amedy Coulibaly and a hostage. We're essentially eavesdropping on him as he describes the motive for these series of attacks.
JIM SCIUTTO, CNN ANCHOR: No questions, Brianna. You hear so much in that audio, his justification, what he believes is justification for terror against civilians. You hear an ominous warning hearing that there are more Muslims coming to attack France. All of it delivered with a supreme confidence. And it just shows you really the danger that France is facing, and frankly other European countries and frankly the U.S. as well, from extremists like this.
I want to give you a brief update now on the other developments, and there are many, in this fast-moving story today.
One of the brothers who massacred people at "Charlie Hebdo" magazine on Wednesday was under government surveillance, we have learned today, until only six months ago. Despite red flags, French authorities lost interest in Said Kouachi, he's the older of those brothers, and stopped that surveillance.
French officials told a reporter that Said Kouachi was under government surveillance from 2011 until June of last year. That was after he allegedly went through terrorist training in Yemen. U.S. and French officials believe the Kouachi brothers both traveled to Yemen on separate trips.
All this comes as fresh fears trickle across Paris. A source telling CNN tonight that sleeper terror cells have been activated in France in just the last 24 hours. Police officers being told to carry their weapons with them around the clock and also told to erase their social media profiles. These security fears coming as Paris prepares to host a massive unity rally tomorrow.
A guest list, extremely high-profile, Israel's prime minister, the Palestinian president, Jordan's king, leaders from all over Europe. All plan to join many others and many members of the public. Perhaps as many as a million members of the public at what promises to be a huge rally. And it is hoped a show of unity for France.
Many developments today. With me to discuss all of this here in Paris, Boston College professor, Jonathan Lawrence. He is also author of the "Emancipation of Europe's Muslims." CNN terror analyst Paul Cruickshank, along with CNN national security analyst, former CIA operative, Bob Baer, and CNN global affairs analyst, retired Delta Force Army officer, Lt. Col. James Reese.
Jonathan, I wonder if I could ask you, let's talk about that audio. Gives you a remarkable window not just inside a terror attack as it's happening as you have this hostage-taking at this kosher market, but also inside the mind of a recruit to terrorism. A French national here describing why he targets civilians.
What did you hear? Is that a familiar justification to you?
JONATHAN LAWRENCE, SENIOR FELLOW, BROOKINGS INSTITUTION: Well, I think it's a confused mind of a confused person.
SCIUTTO: Yes.
LAWRENCE: There is very little sense and very little coherence in the arguments he made, starting with, of course, the note about the head scarf band in French schools. It's wrong to tell only the part of the story where the French government bans Islamic symbols.
SCIUTTO: Right.
LAWRENCE: The French government has also been very active in helping to open mosques.
SCIUTTO: Yes.
LAWRENCE: Helping to train imams.
SCIUTTO: Yes.
LAWRENCE: Helping to make Muslims feel at home in France because of this system of Laicite, of secularism, it allows for religion and religious life in the public sphere.
SCIUTTO: And to be -- and to be fair, France bans other religious symbolism as well, wearing of crosses, for instance, in state schools, et cetera. So it's certainly not singling out one faith in these -- you know, these attempts to keep a sort of national identity.
LAWRENCE: Well, he's right that Muslims do feel targeted by a legislation like that. And a lot of the issues that are raised around Laicite do come up precisely because of this new Muslim presence.
SCIUTTO: And explain Laicite, just to our viewers in the U.S.
LAWRENCE: Well, the idea is that you keep the public sphere in neutral and you leave your religious identity, in a sense, at home. However, it also allows for full religious liberty. And that's very important. French citizenship is an ideal that is constantly being achieved but it's a universalist idea and it's something that's accessible to all and that's important (INAUDIBLE).
SCIUTTO: A very delicate balance there.
Jim Reese, I wonder if I could ask you, listening to that audio again, of course, number one group that would have been interested in the happenings inside that shop during the hostage taking would of course be French counter terror forces.
As you listen to that audio, did you hear any valuable information that would have been important to the counter terror forces as they waited outside, ready to go in?
LT. COL. JAMES REESE (RETIRED), CNN GLOBAL AFFAIRS ANALYST: Well, Jim, you know, I heard two things and I took very quickly. One, he was very confident. He was speaking quickly. So he was amped up. And the other thing also was he was the only one speaking. He wasn't speaking to anyone else except the other hostage. So that starts bringing me down to how many -- how many terrorists might be in there to help me refine my plan before I get the execute authority.
SCIUTTO: Yes. Inside the operation, the hostage taking as it was underway.
Bob Baer, I wonder if I could bring you in, because so many developments today. Of course one of the others is that France has issued a new warning to members of the police force that it is believed that terror cells, sleeper cells, have been activated with plans to target police, warnings to police, to keep their weapons at hand or erase their social media profiles. How significant do you think this terror warning is and how significant do you think the current threat is?
ROBERT BAER, CNN NATIONAL SECURITY ANALYST: My sense is the French wouldn't go public with this, Jim, if they didn't really think there was a threat. I think there probably have been cells activated in France, whether they're going to be effective or not, we're going to have to wait to see. But more than that, it's these attackers have refined their targets to people in uniform. They haven't set up bombs in the metro or in public spaces.
And it's the assassinations against the weekly cartoonist magazine. It tells me they are getting more sophisticated as well as their tactics. Because you look at that attack on the magazine, and the grouping of the bullets through the police car and the rest of it, it tells me these people are well-trained and disciplined, which makes it more difficult to run down.
SCIUTTO: No question, the training so clear. But it's interesting, the justifications are very fluid because the Kouachi brothers, they were telling, witnesses said, some of the victims there, the eyewitnesses there that, listen, were not killing women, were only targeting the cartoonists in "Charlie Hebdo," kind of creating their own sort of moral construct. Of course there were others killed beyond police and those cartoonists.
But then you have their partner in this other attack -- justifying attacks on civilians, saying, hey, if you pay taxes to the French government, you're responsible for the French government's policies.
Paul, I wonder what strikes you as you hear those differing views, different justifications. Even from members of what the French police believe were the same cell. Lots of connections between the Kouachi brothers and Amedy Coulibaly.
PAUL CRUICKSHANK, CNN TERRORISM ANALYST: Yes, I mean, they were close friends. And it appears that the two brothers went to Yemen, were perhaps recruited into al Qaeda in Yemen and then came back to France, and eventually carried out this attack. But before that, they may have recruited this other individual who launched the hostage taking in the grocery. And they may have recruited this guy who has slightly different views to them.
The brothers had this connection to AQAP, the support for AQAP, whereas the grocery attacker seemed to have had more sympathy with ISIS and some different views when it comes to sort of the justification for targeting civilians.
SCIUTTO: One other development today, and there are many, was word that we -- the French police at least believe now that the fourth suspect in this, the partner of Amedy Coulibaly, Hayat Boumeddiene, was, in fact, not in France this week during these attacks. That a number of days ago she flew to Turkey and last seen by Turkish authorities on her way to the Syrian border.
Bob Baer, former member of the CIA, how major of a miss is that? How -- how important is it now that the French capture her for information about future attacks?
BAER: Well, I think it's crucial. I mean, it'd be fantastic if they could get ahold of her and find out if this is directed from outside or it was just -- these people were sort of self-recruited and collected their own weapons, and how big the network is. But what strikes me about this is the ease with which people can still cross the Turkish border. The Turks have a good border force. They know what they're doing.
Are they still letting these people into Syria? And if so why? And why can't we stop them?
SCIUTTO: And we've heard so much talk, I've certainly heard it from U.S. counter terror officials about increased cooperation in light of the threat of returning foreign fighters from Iraq and Syria, that European agencies, U.S. agencies working better together to try to stop that flow in both directions. But, of course, it's difficult. Thousands of people, porous borders and we're seeing that play out now.
I want to thank members of my panel, Jonathan here in Paris, Bob, Paul, Jim, please stay with us. We're going to dig a little deeper into the links between the suspects from the French attacks and other terror groups outside the country. This is very important not just for European intelligence agencies, but for U.S. intelligence and counter terror officials as well.
That's all after this break.
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KEILAR: One of the main parts of the Paris terror investigation this weekend is the search for hard evidence that links the attackers to networks like al Qaeda or ISIS. Officials and researchers in the U.S. and France tell CNN that the two brothers who orchestrated the magazine office attack had both traveled to Yemen allegedly for extremist training and had been under prior security surveillance.
Al Qaeda's Yemen affiliate reportedly claims responsibility for the "Charlie Hebdo" attack and the man who took hostages at a Paris grocery store Friday told journalists that he belonged to ISIS.
Bob Baer is here. He's our national security analyst. We also have Paul Cruickshank, our terrorism analyst and retired Lt. Col. James Reese, our global affairs analyst.
So, Bob, try and explain this to us in the different links. We're sort of getting crossed messages here, whether it's ISIS, whether it's AQAP, whether it's both. And yet we know that all of these men had connections so we would assume that they would have similar loyalties perhaps to certain extremist group. Would that be your expectation?
BAER: Well, personally, I -- Brianna, I don't differentiate ISIS from AQAP. It's all that different. I tend to look at their origins which go back to the Muslim Brotherhood and before that a Syrian philosopher named Ibn Taymiyya. It's the whole idea of tuck theory Islam, jihad. And all you need to do is pick up these texts and translate them for believers.
So if there's a crossover between the Islamic State and AQAP, that wouldn't surprise me at all. The fact the leadership differs over all sorts of things, it doesn't surprise me, either. It's diffused group. And the fact that in these two attacks, you had one against the police and against the cartoonists and another against an anti-Semitic target, the kosher deli. Also sort of fits.
But let's don't forget, these people aren't exactly a coherent organization or rational. And they hit targets of opportunity and they may not be under complete command-and-control of a central authority.
KEILAR: Paul, what happens to this investigation? How does it change the situation if there are proven links to these established terrorist groups?
CRUICKSHANK: Well, I think the group that we're really looking at here is AQAP. I think the gunman in the grocery, he didn't say he was part of ISIS, he was -- he said he was doing it on behalf of ISIS. He's not thought to travel overseas. But the two brothers have thought to have traveled to Yemen and with one of them training in an AQAP camp in Yemen.
Now from what we know about this group, AQAP, they wouldn't allow someone to train in one of their camps unless they were first formally recruited into the organization. That they would have to swear bayat or allegiance as the group's leader, Nasir al-Wuhayshi, who's now the number two of al Qaeda worldwide. And, of course, they traveled there while Anwar aw-Awlaki, this American terrorist cleric, was still alive. And al-Awlaki was trying to recruit Europeans for attacks back in the West. So these -- the French militants would have been manna for heaven from someone -- for someone like al-Awlaki.
Now they say they were directed by Awlaki in this operation, financed by Awlaki, and they say that the attacks was to avenge the U.S. drone strike that killed Awlaki in September 2011. So they're going to be looking at that Yemen travel very closely, trying to find out more about who they were met, who were they were trained by, and whether AQAP did indeed direct this at the top leadership level.
KEILAR: And Colonel Reese, France is in a -- France has particular challenges in that there are so many citizens, French citizens, who have gone overseas for training or to participate in fighting overseas. But what do other countries who also have a similar issue, you know, whether it is Australia or the U.S. or other European nations that have citizens who can bring that training back? How does this -- how does this series of attacks affect how those countries try to stop this from happening?
REESE: Well, at the daily ops intel fusion center where the smart folks are racking and stacking, where the surveillance is going to happen and who is on the higher list. One of these things now, this attack in France, is literally putting anyone that we think that might have gone into Syria or over to Libya and some of these safe havens, where they training, and they rise up the prepotency to start putting more surveillance on them because right now, because of what happened in Paris, they get the spotlight on them right now.
KEILAR: Yes, they sure do.
Colonel Reese, Paul Cruickshank, Bob Baer, stick with me. We'll be talking a little later.
Right now we're going to look forward ahead after the commercial break. We'll be talking about Hayat Boumeddiene, the woman, the common-law wife of the hostage taker in that kosher market in Paris. We are going to find out about her. We're going to find out about her travels. We have new information and we're going to share it with you.
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SCIUTTO: And welcome back. I'm Jim Sciutto in Paris with developments in and around France this evening.
The people behind the magazine "Charlie Hebdo," promising to put out a publication on Wednesday, despite the violent deaths of their editor and several colleagues this past Wednesday. The magazine held a staff get together on Friday, putting a sad but defiant, a strong face on their publication. One "Charlie Hebdo" columnist says his co-workers who died would not want them to stay quiet. They're planning to publish more copies than normal of their first
edition back, perhaps as many as a million copies. And, tomorrow, more than a million people expected to take part in a unity rally and march across Paris. More than two dozen key world leaders will join them. Among them, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.
Also expected to attend, Britain's Prime Minister David Cameron, the German Chancellor Angela Merkel, Russia's foreign minister, Sergei Lavrov, the Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas as well as Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoglu from Turkey, and Jordanian King Abdullah. All joining in unity with hundreds of thousands of Parisians.
Noticeably absent from that list, the president of the U.S., Barack Obama. The U.S. ambassador to France, however, Jane Hartley, will attend to represent the United States.
More news tonight. The two brothers who allegedly shot up the "Charlie Hebdo" offices are now dead, killed by Paris police Friday after that hostage standoff. Another suspect described as their close associate also dead. However, a woman who knew them all personally remains on the run.
CNN's Atika Shubert has brand new details about her and her movements in recent days.
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ATIKA SHUBERT, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): When Amedy Coulibaly gone down four people and took hostages at the kosher supermarket, police immediately issued this arrest warrant for him and his partner, Hayat Boumeddiene, suggesting she had been alongside her husband for the attack. Police said she was armed and dangerous.
France's public prosecutor linked the couple to the attackers at "Charlie Hebdo."
FRANCOIS MOULINS, PARIS PUBLIC PROSECUTOR (Through Translator): It appears from the investigation, especially from phone taps, that Cherif Kouachi's spouse had called more than 500 times to Amedy Coulibaly's partner, Hayat Boumeddiene, which shows permanent and strong links between the couples.
SHUBERT (on camera): This is where Amedy Coulibaly and Hayat Boumeddiene were living. It's about a 10-minute drive to Montrouge, that is where Coulibaly is believed to have gunned down that police officer, and 20 minutes from the kosher supermarket where he took hostages. Now police are still inside the apartment investigating.
(Voice-over): Their names are clearly printed on their mailbox, and armed police still stake out the couple's apartment.
Photos of Boumeddiene in 2010 quickly surfaced, showing her in full niqab, armed with a crossbow. Court records showed she and her boyfriend had met with a top al Qaeda recruiter. But now, as the investigation widens, it appears Boumeddiene was not
even in France at the time of the shooting. Turkish officials say she arrived January 2nd in Istanbul, most likely destined for Syria. French security sources agree.
And that's not the first dead end. Initially police named three suspects in the "Charlie Hebdo" attack, including an 18-year-old named Hamyd Mourad, but friends of Mourad insisted to CNN that he was innocent, in school at the time of the attack, more than 100 miles away. An alibi police later confirmed after Mourad voluntarily turned himself in. Saturday he was released.
In a rush to find the attackers, French police cast a wide net. But investigators are still seeking answers from anyone who may have been involved in France or abroad, including Hayat Boumeddiene.
Atika Shubert, CNN, Paris.
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SCIUTTO: We now know tonight that Hayat Boumeddiene traveled to Turkey from France as long as a week ago last seen by Turkish authorities working her way towards the Syrian border. All this coming as fresh fears trickling in across Paris. A source telling CNN tonight that sleeper terror cells have been activated here in France just in the last 24 hours. Police officers being told to carry their weapons with them around the clock and to erase their social media profiles.
Joining me again on where this investigation goes now, as well as the risk of future attacks, Boston College political science professor Jonathan Lawrence, he's here with me in Paris. He's also the author of "The Emancipation of Europe's Muslim." Also, Paul Cruickshank, terrorism analyst, and retired Lieutenant Colonel James Reese. He's former of the U.S. Army's Delta Force. He's our global affairs analyst.
If we could begin tonight, Paul, with the news of this additional warning to police around the country of an additional threat to them, possible terror attacks going forward. What did we learn today and how significant do you consider this threat?
CRUICKSHANK: Well, Jim, what they're worried about is that there are other people here part of a cell who aren't dead, who are still out there somewhere in Paris or somewhere in France and that they could launch attacks. So that this is not over. So that's the thing they're most worried about.
But they're also worried about copycat attacks because these attacks against the cartoonists have electrified the global jihadist movement, have electrified the most radical of extremists in France. So the worry is there could be these kind of copycat attacks. We've seen that in the past, for example, in New York City.
There was a radical Zale Thompson who carried out a hatchet attack on NYPD officers. Just 48 hours after that attack in Canada. And he followed that very closely and being inspired by that. SCIUTTO: Yes. It's a great point. As you know, terrorists watch the
news, too. They follow social media. They see the attention paid to these attacks. And really, it's a sick competition for attention by the individuals and the groups as well.
Jim Reese, one major development today is that additional threat against Paris police. Another major development today is word that the French, up until yesterday, didn't really know where this fourth suspect in this terror was. Now they believe that she, she being the partner of Amedy Coulibaly who took over this kosher market, that in fact she traveled here a number of days ago and is on her way to Syria.
Do you consider that a sign of the weakness or the difficulty in tracking these terror suspects in and around France and in and around Europe?
REESE: Well, Jim, it's definitely a hiccup. I don't think that she had a high enough profile previously. You know, the brothers were being looked at. Her husband, her boyfriend, was being looked at. But, again, she was, you know, on the tertiary side, which again goes back to not enough budget, not enough money out there to track everybody.
And I'll be very candid with you. Over the next 24 to 48 hours, I'm not sure this same report will stay the same as you're hearing tonight.
SCIUTTO: No, you're right. And we've heard -- and a caution to our viewers -- constantly because even the French police assessments of both threat and the movement of these suspects has changed over time. We have to be aware of that constantly.
Jonathan, another major thing we are watching of course is this rally planned for tomorrow. Perhaps a million French will take part showing defiance, showing unity in response to these attacks, world leaders as well.
Benjamin Netanyahu's presence here certainly powerful. He said something interesting in announcing his trip here that telling France's Jews that Israel is their home, what did you read into that message?
LAWRENCE: Well, you know, Israel is the home of all Jews. Jews have the right of return to Israel ever since its founding. But there's a 2,000 year history of Jewish diaspora. I mean, there's no reason to let these three very deadly clowns change that.
SCIUTTO: Right.
LAWRENCE: A cynical point of view on the one hand, because French Jews have been protected but not protected enough and the French are going to have to probably look at Germany to see whether or not there's a possibility of putting tanks or more armed vehicles at the disposition of the Jewish institutions that clearly need protection. On the other hand, you don't want to stigmatize them too much. But the fact is that French Jews don't feel well protected and a
record number of them emigrated to Israel this year and that is a flow that the French are going to have to stem.
SCIUTTO: And still, a great feeling of that threat where you have the main synagogue here. You're closed for the first time since World War II. Fear of additional attacks.
Jonathan, thanks very much.
Jim Reiss, great to have you.
Paul Cruickshank, we're going to continue the discussion about France's Jewish community. It's high alert. We're going to talk about that struggle with anti-Semitism as well here in this country. Hearing from a survivor of yesterday's market attack.
More after this break.
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SCIUTTO: The targeting of the Hype Cacher, French kosher grocery store here in Paris, by one of the terrorists Friday has shaken Jewish communities, in particular, in France. Four people were killed by the gunmen after they and other civilians have been taken hostage inside. Amedy Coulibaly was killed by police in the rescue attempt and the remaining hostages fled to safety.
Rudi Hadad was one of the hostages who survived the shooting and he talked about his experience just today.
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RUDI HADAD, ATTACK SURVIVOR (Through Translator): Honestly, we were all in shock. We heard the explosion outside. We heard gunfire. He was there to kill everyone. If we went back up, it would have been a slaughter. I think it would have been a slaughter.
It's a miracle that we're all still here. Meaning the people who were in the fridge. I'm in pain over the people who are gone, sadly. I'm going to do a prayer of thanks for all of us being here and I'm with my family.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
SCIUTTO: As a French Jewish publication JSS which released pictures of the two older victims of the kosher market attack, they were Philippe Braham; Francois-Michel Saada. The Jewish community in Paris ask that their names be shared widely.
France's terror attacks forced the closure of a landmark synagogue in Paris on the Sabbath for the first time since World War II. France's Jewish community has been rallying together in the wake of this deadly massacre.
With me now is Sacha Reingewirtz. He's from the Union of French Jewish Students.
Sacha, thanks very much for joining us tonight. Speaking earlier, you said that before the major rally tomorrow, planned to show unity, you organized another rally just around that kosher market where the attack took place yesterday.
Tell us what was the turnout like.
SACHA REINGEWIRTZ, PRESIDENT, UNION OF FRENCH JEWISH STUDENTS: It was very important for us to show that there was a wide support for the people who were victims of this anti-Semitic attack. And what really moved me that not only the French population, in large members, whether 10,000 people there, that the main leaders of the French republic came and the prime minister himself came with a large number of ministers.
And it really showed that there is today a national unity and that we are fighting the same fight. When people attack journalists who target them because they want to attack freedom of expression, when people attack Jews because they want to target freedom of religion, when people attack cops because they want to attack the authority of the state, they are attacking the values of the French republic. And today we stood as one and I hope tomorrow we will be millions out in the streets to claim our indignation.
SCIUTTO: Well, you make a great point because these groups have so many targets, really. And we heard, in fact, from inside the hostage standoff yesterday, an audio recording that we received today of the attacker justifying, really, attacks on all French civilians by saying simply that you pay taxes to the French government, therefore you're responsible for the French government's policies.
Really saying that anybody is a target here. But I wonder in particular how targeted do Jew -- France's Jewish community feel. How much more in danger do they feel they are more in danger, that you are more in danger than other segments of the population here?
REINGEWIRTZ: Well, everyone is in danger. Terrorism is a threat to everyone. To every French citizen. But there is a particular threat targeting French Jews especially. It's not new. Experienced it for years now. And this year, the number of anti-Semitic attacks has doubled. So, in a way, French people were expecting this attack against the Jews, this terrorist attack.
SCIUTTO: It's a sad --
REINGEWIRTZ: However it --
SCIUTTO: It's a sad expectation, I must say.
REINGEWIRTZ: Very sad expectation. For the protection against that has been strong but we can never have full protection. So obviously today we need more protection but we really need to work on education. And we'll be meeting tomorrow morning with the president of the republic, Francois Hollande. I will ask him not only to increase security, but especially to put measures to have much better education in universities and in school against terrorism.
SCIUTTO: Education against extremism? Is that what you think is missing?
REINGEWIRTZ: Yes, exactly. Because we, as French Jews, we love this country. We've been here for a thousand years. Nothing will make us leave. We don't want to live in terror. And we will fight back just as the French people is fighting today for its democracy and its values.
SCIUTTO: Are you getting the support that you need both in terms of security but also these other initiatives that you -- that you expect from the French government, the French authorities?
REINGEWIRTZ: The French government has been very supportive. Obviously there are a lot of flags and we need a radical fight especially against jihadism and this is the fight of every (INAUDIBLE).
SCIUTTO: Have Muslim leaders reached out to you in solidarity as well?
REINGEWIRTZ: Of course. I've received hundreds of mails, of phone calls from Muslim leaders. The jihadists do not represent Islam. They are using the word Islam but they absolutely do not represent any value of Islam.
SCIUTTO: And we've heard that same message from many French Muslims, in fact. And I noted that the French imams and conventional Jewish rabbis visited the site of the kosher market as well. That have been quite a powerful expression of support for you.
REINGEWIRTZ: Yes. Of course.
SCIUTTO: Yes.
REINGEWIRTZ: But everyone must be included. Jews, Muslims, atheists, "Charlie Hebdo" was very atheist.
SCIUTTO: Yes.
REINGEWIRTZ: Atheist newspaper, and I love this newspaper.
SCIUTTO: Well, I have to say, the sad fact is as an American that this is a threat we face, as well. I mean, we are unified in good circumstances, right? But, also, in the sad fact that this is a common threat in France and the U.S., the Europe and the U.S. and beyond.
Sacha Reingewirtz, you're doing good work. Thanks very much for joining us tonight.
REINGEWIRTZ: Thank you.
SCIUTTO: Well, coming up later, we're going to look at the growing number of female jihadist playing a part as we saw in the group that carried out the attacks here in France this week. They are not alone. One attacker was not alone. We're going to learn more just after this break.
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KEILAR: The manhunt for the woman authorities say may have been involved in the Paris terror attacks is ongoing. Hayat Boumeddiene's possible involvement has led many people to wonder why women would join terrorist group.
Randi Kaye takes a look at the motivations of previous female jihadists.
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RANDI KAYE, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Look closely, that jihadist behind the veil is a mother of two. Her name used to be Sally Jones. But after she converted to Islam, she reportedly changed it to Sakina Hussein.
This photo with the AK-47 is a far cry from this one from 2004 published in the "Daily Mail." It shows her celebrating the birth of her new baby. Now she's believed to be an ISIS fighter in Syria. She moved there from the U.K. after meeting a hacker turned militant online.
She told the "London Times" that her youngest child is with her, too. And that he's taken the Muslim name Hamza. She was widely quoted online saying, "My son and I love life with the beheaders."
This jihadist is also from Britain. She's reportedly a 21-year-old medical student who goes by the name Mujahidah Bint Usama. On Twitter, she posted this disturbing image. A woman in a white doctor's coat and black burqa, holding a human head. The posting read, "Dream job, a terrorist doc." And included a smiley face and love hearts.
In other postings, she reportedly praised Yemeni cleric Anwar al- Awlaki and shared images of the execution by ISIS of U.S. journalist Stephen Sotlov.
(On camera): In September terror analysts estimated that as many as 15 percent of ISIS' foreign recruits could be female with up to 200 women from at least 14 different countries. Experts say the women are motivated by the idea of meeting a jihadist husband. They're hoping for the prestige that comes with husbands who die as martyrs.
(Voice-over): Long before ISIS the Israeli-Palestinian conflict also gave rise to female terrorists. Including this grandmother. She tried to blow up Israeli soldiers in Gaza in 2006 but died after detonating explosives in her belt. Her family reportedly said she wanted to become a martyr.
And what about this woman? Colleen LaRose, who goes by the name Jihad Jane after converting to Islam online. She traveled to Europe in 2009, part of a plot to shoot and kill Swedish artist Lars Vilks after he depicted the head of the Muslim Prophet Mohammed on a dog. She was arrested after returning to Philadelphia. LaRose was sentenced last January to 10 years in prison.
All women looking to make a name for themselves in martyrdom. And the list is growing.
Randi Kaye, CNN, New York.
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KEILAR: Coming up, we have more of that brand new audio from inside the market attack, really eavesdropping on the terrorist Amedy Coulibaly as he tells a hostage his motive for attacking that kosher grocery store.
Plus, we have all of the latest developments from Paris next.
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SCIUTTO: Welcome back. I'm Jim Sciutto in Paris.
And a new warning has Paris on edge. Sleeper terror cells have been activated in France just in the last 24 hours. Police officers being warned to carry their weapons around the clock.
Security fears come as Paris prepares to hold a massive unity rally tomorrow. The guest list, extremely high profile. The Israeli prime minister, the Palestinian president, Jordan's King Abdullah, leaders from all over Europe, planning to attend.
Now I also have brand new audio of a terrorist. The chilling voice of Amedy Coulibaly as he holds hostages in a kosher grocery market in Paris. A French reporter called the store's landline. Coulibaly picked up the phone and tried to hang up, but surprisingly he never did. And the reporter recorded the ambient sound inside that market. Listen to the voice of the terrorist.
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COULIBALY: But I'm telling you, it's almost over. Militants are going to come. They are going to be more and more. They need to stop. They need to stop attacking ISIS. They need to stop asking our women to remove the hijab. They need to stop putting our brothers in jail.
You pay taxes so that means you agree.
UNIDENTIFIED HOSTAGE: But we have to pay.
COULIBALY: What? We don't have to. I don't pay my taxes.
UNIDENTIFIED HOSTAGE: When I pay my taxes, it's for the highways, schools.
COULIBALY: When you pay taxes, 30 percent goes to the defense department, 30 percent goes to the agriculture department, et cetera. UNIDENTIFIED HOSTAGE: We pay our taxes but we don't harm anybody.
COULIBALY: Everyone could get together. If they could get together for "Charlie Hebdo," organize protests and say let Muslim people be and we will let you be. Why are you not doing that? For us it's an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth. You know it well. Allah said in the Koran, "If then anyone transgresses the prohibition against you, transgress ye likewise against him."
If you harm our children, our women, our fighters, our old men, we will attack the men who fight against us.
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SCIUTTO: Also, today, news of a huge, missed opportunity. One of the brothers who massacred people at "Charlie Hebdo" magazine was under government surveillance, it turns out until just about six months ago. Despite red flags, French authorities lost interest in Said Kouachi, the older of the two brothers. French officials told a reporter Kouachi was under government surveillance from 2011 until just June of last year.
Well, Brianna, tremendous number of developments tonight. Thanks for pairing up with me. We're both going to be back tomorrow to cover news including that rally.
Brianna, meanwhile, I'll throw it back to you in New York.
KEILAR: That's right, Jim Sciutto. Thank you so much for all of your hard work today in Paris. I'll see you tomorrow.
And let's talk now about someone who inspired the Kouachi brothers and al Qaeda worldwide. Anwar al-Awlaki, the radical American born Yemeni preacher who was killed by a U.S. drone strike in 2011.
At the top of the hour CNN will air the film "Double Agent: Inside Al Qaeda for the CIA." It's the inside story of the man who risked it to take down al-Awlaki.
CNN terrorism analyst Paul Cruickshank produced this film.
And Paul, it's a fascinating look inside. And before he was killed, Cherif Kouachi told a French TV network al-Awlaki financed him.
Morton Storm, that's the name of the agent who led authorities to al- Awlaki. What did he find out about al-Awlaki's plans?
CRUICKSHANK: Morton Storm became friends with al-Awlaki while Storm was still radical. When Storm started working for Western intelligence he carried on having significant contact with al-Awlaki. And al-Awlaki actually tasked Storm while Storm was working for Western intelligence to try and identify and recruit Westerners who could be brought to Yemen for terrorist training and then sent back to Europe for terrorist attack.
And Storm was able to let Western intelligence know about this. Storm also learned that al-Awlaki want to beat operatives when they went back to Europe to camouflage their radicalism, to pretend they weren't radical anymore. And we've always seem that it would appear with the Kouachi brothers who after a while went off the radar of French security, who stopped monitoring them because they didn't think they were radical, and posed a threat anymore.
KEILAR: Yes. And watching this, I wondered if Storm fears retribution. Is he target now?
CRUICKSHANK: Absolutely. He's a big-time target. These brothers said they carried out these attacks in Paris to avenge the death of al-Awlaki. Morton Storm was the guy who led the CIA to al-Awlaki. And there was this drone strike that killed al-Awlaki in September 2011. So Storm is a big-time target. And ISIS have already threatened his life. But he has to live in hiding.
But he thinks it was all worth it because he wanted to protect everybody here in the West from these terrorists.
KEILAR: And we have about 45 seconds left for you Paul, just to tell us something else that I think our viewers will find very curious.
What was it like for him to live this double life?
CRUICKSHANK: It was extremely challenging because you'll have to move from these two different identities. When he was with CIA handlers, he was with Morton Storm. But when he was with al Qaeda he was Murad Storm, and any slip-up that could affect the loss of his life by something like crucifixion while he was over in Yemen. He was even afraid sometimes to fall asleep because he's worried that he would sleep talk and give himself up in his sleep. So very, very challenging life, indeed.
This is an extraordinary insight into the world of al Qaeda that you're about to see.
KEILAR: Yes. It really fascinating and it is stranger than fiction.
Paul, thank you so much.
I'm Brianna Keilar in New York. That's it for me. And CNN Special "Double Agent: Inside Al-Qaeda for the CIA" starts right now.
