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The Hunt for Fugitive David Sweat; ISIS Flag Spotted at Gay Pride Parade in London; How Fugitives Able to Evade Police; U.S. Reacts to Same-Sex Marriage; Funerals Today for Charleston Shooting Victims; Learning More About Alzheimer's; Aired 1-2p ET

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[13:00:00] SUZANNE MALVEAUX, CNN ANCHOR: The first cabin where police believe David Sweat and Richard Matt were holed up in the woods. Now you can see this, right? The TV in the upper right corner. We don't know if they had access to cable, but if they did, they would have been able to track news about their own manhunt.

This as the hunt for Sweat continues. He has eluded more than 1,000 officers and police say that bloodhounds have not picked up his scent yet. The other escapee, Richard Matt, he was shot and killed by the Border Patrol team on Friday. Police had closed in on Richard Matt after getting a call of shots fired. Now officers say that Matt was shot when he refused to give up and put his hands up.

I want to bring in our Jean Casarez. She is at the search area in Malone, New York.

And, Jean, what can you tell us about the cabin?

JEAN CASAREZ, CNN LEGAL CORRESPONDENT: Well, that cabin is extremely significant because, Suzanne, it was one week ago today just shortly before this time we're at right now that one of the owners or people that occupy the cabin went because they wanted to check on it. They realized it has been burglarized. And that's when we first heard that there was confirmation from inside that they believe Matt and Sweat had been in there because there were some belongings that were left behind.

We also know that the owner of that cabin believed that one of his shotguns was missing. Well, that led to where we are today. And that cabin was 14 miles away from right here, the village of Malone. We're in the most desolate area east of the Mississippi. The manhunt is going full force right now with law enforcement agencies from every level, federal, state and local and even the tribal police.

I think you could see behind my shoulder right there, you see the law enforcement presence. You can't go beyond a certain point in this area. If you're a resident, you're stopped, you're questioned, you might have to be searched and open up your hood. But it all began yesterday afternoon to really break open and that is when a man in a camper was just driving along, heard shots, thought he had a flat tire, kept driving eight more miles, realized that shot was into his camp. And that -- we have now confirmed with law enforcement that shot was made by Richard Matt, and that's when everything began to unfold.

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GOV. ANDREW CUOMO (D), NEW YORK: There was a civil complaint, civilian complaint in town of Dewayne. There was a gunshot that was fired at a camping trailer. The state police responded to investigate the complaint. They came upon a cabin. They went inside the cabin. They detected the smell of gun powder.

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CASAREZ: And that was the second cabin that was broken into. That was found late Wednesday night. That was right here in the village of Malone. But that is when the tactical unit of Border Patrol concerned Richard Matt. They found him. He was armed with a shotgun, a 20- gauge shotgun. What the owner of that original cabin one week ago today believed was missing. And they shot and killed Richard Matt because he was armed and wouldn't surrender.

And now the hunt is still on for David Sweat and there have been no sightings of him, law enforcement are telling us. As you said, no bloodhound tracking dogs sightings of him either. And I've got to tell you, Suzanne, the clouds are moving in. It's been a beautiful day here. A great day for searching, but rain is expected. Heavy winds, heavy rain, and that is going to damper the effort from all forces of law enforcement that are here today -- Suzanne.

MALVEAUX: Yes, certainly could make it a lot harder to find him and extend the search.

Jean Casarez, thank you very much for being right out there along with him days on end trying to find this guy so could the trail be getting cold, essentially, drying the hunt for David Sweat.

Joining us now to talk about it is retired NYPD detective, Sgt. Joe Diacalone who now trains law enforcement officers.

So, Joe, thanks for being here, really important to get your perspective. And we've seen this new photo so I want to talk about that first. This is inside the cabin, an inside look of where these guys potentially spent some time. And what do you note when you see this photo? What is of note to you? I mean, we're seeing a sofa, a TV, some pots on a stove, potentially? What are you looking for?

JOSEPH GIACALONE, LAW ENFORCEMENT TRAINER: Well, anything that was going to give these guys some sustenance. I mean, the food, the water, that kind of stuff. But also, you know, ammunition, arms, and of course camouflage clothing which, as you know, common, you'd find in these hunting camps to help them evade the police.

MALVEAUX: So when you see this what do you see?

GIACALONE: Well, what we're looking at is just something that you would see in an ordinary hunting cabin. I mean, it's just -- it's a perfect opportunity for them to bed down. It's the -- you know, the wood paneling they could provide them some protection. There aren't many windows and they can provide them for days on end. What they need. And there's probably a crawl space that they can hide under at this location because none of these places have any basements. So this is an ideal setting where they can be going from cabin to cabin at the time.

[13:05:01] MALVEAUX: And, Joe, talk about the significance of the TV. I mean, we literally see a TV at the corner of that room. They potentially could have been watching. I don't know if they have cable but they could have been watching cable and had been actually following the manhunt.

GIACALONE: Sure. I mean, you know, something that we can -- any type of local news or of course on CNN or any other stations where you can find out what the police actually know and that's why the police are always guarded by what they say. And it wouldn't be unusual that a bad guy was actually following in the newspapers or watching themselves on the TV. It actually makes it, you know, a little more exciting for them, too.

MALVEAUX: OK. So now we have one of the fugitives who's dead. They've been working together. I mean, law enforcement believe that they did not separate from each other. So now that there's one who's out on his own, does it make it harder for him or is it easier now that he is out there and he's eluding thousands of folks who are trying to find him?

GIACALONE: Well, it depends on which way you look at it. I look at it in the respect that we found no evidence of him being in a second cabin. We also found that, you know, Matt by himself, there's no indication that Sweat was with him, so, you know, law enforcement has to be on guard that they did separate. I mean, it's beneficial for them to separate a while ago so that they can, you know, avoid detection.

MALVEAUX: And what is the game plan at this point? We heard Jean talk about the weather is going to get bad, you've got a lot of people who are involved here. It's a very strategic, contained perimeter, but are we talking about days or hours?

GIACALONE: Well, I believe they're going to make a big push over the next couple of hours to try to get this search done before the weather comes in. I mean, the environment we know is extremely tough. But couple that with flooding rains, you have to shut down the dogs, you're going to have to shut down a lot of different aspects of it, including maybe even the air support might not be able to go too long under those kind of conditions. So right now those conditions favor Sweat.

MALVEAUX: Yes. That's the bad news in all of this.

All right, Joe Giacalone, appreciate your perspective. Obviously we're going following this through the afternoon if there are any breaks in this, we're going to bring it to you. Thanks again.

GIACALONE: Thanks for having me. MALVEAUX: Still to come new details about the alleged gunmen behind

the terror attack at a seaside resort. Plus a warning now about possible terror threats here in the United States. That's next.

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[13:10:16] MALVEAUX: We're continuing to follow the breaking news out of New York today where an intense manhunt continues for escaped convict David Sweat. Bloodhounds have not yet picked up his scent. We're going to continue to bring the updates on that story as we get them.

And this just in to CNN. An unnerving site today at a London gay pride celebration. An ISIS flag among a sea of rainbow colors. CNN International assignment editor spotted the flag and was able to snap these pictures.

Joining me on the phone from London is CNN's International Lucy Pawle and CNN national security analyst Peter Bergen.

So, Lucy, I want you to start off explaining and describing what you saw and the reaction to it.

LUCY PAWLE, CNN INTERNATIONAL ASSIGNMENT EDITOR: Hi, there, Suzanne. Yes, I was just leaving work and I came across the gay pride march, an annual event in London, where tens of thousands of people march through London. It's a very jovial, lighthearted atmosphere, very happy atmosphere. And I was just trying to cross Regent Street, one of the main shopping streets in London, and I had to stop because the march was going down the -- down the street.

When all of a sudden this man, quite distinctive from the rest of the crowd. He was dressed in black and white, whereas everyone else was brightly colored as you can see from the photos. This man dressed in black and white was waving what appears to be a very bad mimicry, but a very clearly -- a clear attempt to mimic the ISIS flag, the black and white flag with the distinctive lettering.

I mean, if you look at the flag closely it's clearly not Arabic. In fact it looks like it could be gobledegoop. But it's very distinctive of the ISIS flag. Anyway I seem to be the only person who have spotted this, and nobody seems to be raising any questions or pointing it out. So I immediately went to an event organizer who said he didn't know anything about it. I also spoke to the police nearby who weren't not aware either.

Now bear in mind that there was heightened security today at this event because after the devastating terrorists attacks that happened yesterday in Tunisia where we now know that at least 15 Britons have been killed, so it was an extremely strange and unnerving thing to see. If it was a political statement of some sort, it was very subtle. There was no sort of rainbow color. There was no sort of, you know, red cross through it.

It was very subtle and us Brits are known for our subtle sense of humor, but I'm not sure that everyone, if they had spotted it, might have thought it was particularly amusing.

MALVEAUX: Yes, that's a good point, Lucy. And I have a couple of follow-up questions for you. First of all, the security, you said the security is particularly tight because of these terrorist attacks that we saw on three different continents just in the last several days, on one day. So describe what the security situation is down at this large march, and then the second question is whether or not there was any follow in terms of trying to find this guy, and figure out what he was doing.

PAWLE: Sure, so I mean, in general the events, the gay pride event, and I certainly saw it when I was down there, the atmosphere was very relaxed and laid back. It's a very happy atmosphere. But there were noticeably police around and the police had concerns that they were putting on heightened security. It also coincidentally Armed Forces Day here in the UK, so I'm sure it coincided with that as well.

So, I mean, there was a noticeable police presence, but it wasn't overbearing, and there was no -- police in general here don't tend to carry guns and there were no guns so I couldn't see. But there were police vans and police milling about.

MALVEAUX: OK.

PAWLE: The first policeman that I came across I immediately tells him and he got on the radio to his colleague.

MALVEAUX: OK.

PAWLE: I then walked up to a police van and they were very interested. I was asked to send the photo to the Metropolitan Intelligence Unit.

MALVEAUX: OK.

PAWLE: And did so. And we are waiting for official police response, but the police there did say that they were worried that people would take offense on any day really but particularly on a day after --

MALVEAUX: Right.

PAWLE: These awful terrorist attacks --

MALVEAUX: Yes.

PAWLE: We're hearing from the prime minister --

MALVEAUX: OK.

PAWLE: -- that, you know, Britons were preparing for more and more British deaths.

MALVEAUX: All right.

PAWLE: From Tunisia.

[13:15:06] MALVEAUX: Lucy, thank you so much. I want to get Peter Bergen in this conversation.

And, Peter, so, you know, from a national security point of view here, does this bother you? Does it concern you? Should people there in that crowd be concerned? Should somebody be following this guy and figuring out what he was doing there?

PETER BERGEN, CNN NATIONAL SECURITY ANALYST: Yes, I mean, well, the many question is, what are his motivations? I mean, it could be some kind of, you know, almost parity. It's possible. After all, you know, I mean, one of ISIS' principal goals in the terrorists that they control is to murder gays. In fact yesterday on a Twitter feed out of Raqqa which is the de factor capital of ISIS in Syria, there was a footage of ISIS hurled into their certain deaths for a homosexual man from tall buildings, which is the way that they kill gays -- that ISIS kills gays.

So it's also a very strange place to be showing an ISIS flag since ISIS -- one of ISIS' principal goals is to kill gays, so the whole thing is very strange.

MALVEAUX: Strange it may be, it may be a parody as well. But in light of what you just said that ISIS has thrown the gays over the ledge there and their point of view when it comes to gays, is this -- could this be a warning? Could it be a sign? Could it be a flag of sorts of hey, you know what, this is our next location, this is our next attack?

BERGEN: You know, it could also be, you know, this is my way of -- it's my kind of strange way of putting a thumb in the eye of ISIS. I -- you know, since we don't know who this person is, we don't know their motivations, it's just -- it's hard to say. But it's a particularly strange place to be flying an ISIS banner as we just discussed.

MALVEAUX: Peter, do you think it could possibly be maybe somebody in the parade itself, participating and the gay community mocking ISIS in their point of view?

BERGEN: Yes, I mean, that's not out of the question.

MALVEAUX: OK. All right, well, Peter, we still don't know a lot about this and we're going to be trying to get more information, see what the police have to say and if they've managed to find this individual, we really don't know what's behind it. But there is a photo and it is peculiar. So we're going to be following up on that and see if it really means all of that or if it's just a parody as was suggested before.

All right. Thank you, Lucy, as well as Peter.

Coming up, same-sex couples now able to marry anywhere in the United States. Is this the final major hurdle in the same-sex civil rights movement. We're going ask our experts up next.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK) [13:21:24] MALVEAUX: History has been made after the U.S. Supreme Court ruling allowing same-sex couples to marry in all 50 states. The decision ending a long battle for equality by the LGBT community. And it comes just days from the 46th anniversary of a police raid at Stonewall Inn in New York City. That sparked protest and gave birth to the current movement.

Joining me from New York to discuss this, Michelangelo Signorile, author of "It's Not Over" and editor at large at the "Huffington Post's" Gay Voices.

Thank you so much for joining us. I know you have been in the cause for many, many, many years.

MICHELANGELO SIGNORILE, AUTHOR, "IT'S NOT OVER": Thanks for having me.

MALVEAUX: And so let's talk about, let's discuss what this means. There are folks who are celebrating. I talked to a couple who got married yesterday here in Georgia. There are others who are concerned that there's a long way to go. And one of the issues they talked about is being denied services from -- potentially from pastors who don't want to officiate same-sex marriages or people who want to refuse to serve them. Do they have a legitimate concern?

SIGNORILE: Absolutely. We have first off come an enormous way, and I think we have to celebrate that and we should be certainly cheering as people are in the streets all over the country, and look at how far we've come. But realize that in many ways this is just the beginning.

We've taken a very interesting course in achieving marriage equality first before we got any civil right protections federally. There are no federal protections, and people are always shocked by this. There are no federal protections for gay or transgender people in the Civil Rights Act. There are no protections that ban discrimination in housing, in employment, in public accommodation.

And only -- you know, less than half of the states have these laws statewide. 29 states do not have them, so in many states people can be fired from their jobs. They literally can today go and get married and if their employer sees that they got married and doesn't like the fact that they're gay because they have hidden it but now it's public, they can fire them for that reason. And we've seen it happen all across the country. It happens every day.

People are thrown out of businesses, they're not served. And as you're mentioned particularly businesses that cater to weddings are saying that they don't want to serve gays and lesbians. So it is a big concern and we have to get these laws passed.

MALVEAUX: And, Michelangelo, talk about the strategy here because, you know, for same-sex marriage this was something that was in the making over the last 20 years and then we saw the sea change really occur, I would say, over the last five with people coming on board, but, you know, back when it was first introduced you had gay organizations, national gay organizations, that were -- thought it was a bad idea.

You had all of the Democratic potential hopefuls back in 2008 who were against this, and so what is the strategy here when it comes to opening the door for other rights and what you had just mentioned regarding service?

SIGNORILE: Well, I think you have to go where the movement goes and where the grassroots wants to go. And in every place it is different. In the United States we have this system of states and marriage is largely governed by the states and some states are further ahead than others, and have been further ahead than others on equality and basic rights for gays and lesbians. So we saw a movement that went back to Hawaii back in '93, couples there saying our state has really embraced us, but we don't have marriage. We want to push for that.

[13:25:08] And gay leaders were very afraid of that. And they were rightly so because there was a backlash in Washington. Conservatives did move to pass the Defense of Marriage Act. We did see calls for a constitutional amendment eventually. But sometimes you have to -- you know, you have to pick fight to have the fight to win the battle. And I think a lot of gay groups and gay leader didn't understand that. They didn't follow the movement itself. The bigger battle now is getting that civil rights protection in federal law. We have conservatives who are still very much opposed to gay rights and we have a Republican Congress right now. This is going to be a big, big battle.

MALVEAUX: All right. Well, Michelangelo, I know you're going to be in middle of it as you always have been. Thank you very much. We appreciate it. And, you know, congratulations on your -- on your work.

SIGNORILE: Thank you so much for having me.

MALVEAUX: Sure. Our pleasure.

Still to come the latest on the hunt for convicted killer David Sweat including a look inside one of the cabins the fugitives used to hide from police.

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MALVEAUX: Hello, and thanks for joining me. I'm Suzanne Malveaux, in for Fredricka Whitfield.

New details now on the breaking news surrounding the massive hunt for fugitive David Sweat in upstate New York.

[13:30:02] Now here is a brand new picture. This is from NBC News from inside the first cabin where police believe that David Sweat and Richard Matt were holed up in the woods. You can see the TV there in the upper right hand corner. Now we don't even know if they had access to cable. But if they did, they could have been watching, tracking the news about their own manhunt.

More than 1,000 officers are searching for Sweat. Police say bloodhounds have yet to pick up his scent. Fellow escapee Richard Matt was shot and killed by a Border Patrol agent. That happened on Friday. The two broke out of the Clinton Correctional maximum security prison three weeks ago, and the search is intensifying today.

So I want to bring in a local reporter now who has been covering this story and breaking news for the last three weeks. This is John Anderson with the "Wellsville Daily Reporter."

So, John, thank you very much for being with us this afternoon. And you of all people know, you've been watching, you've been seeing the terrain, the search teams covering a massive amount of land here and if challenges that they have faced. Where are they now?

JOHN ANDERSON, REGIONAL EDITOR, WELLSVILLE DAILY REPORTER: Well, Suzanne, the area they're in is very wooded. And as you've shown up some of the interactive maps on CNN, it's a lot of state land. And what's hurting right now is the wetlands, the marsh and the weather. It's hot, there's a lot of bugs, a lot of ticks. It's not an easy field to cover. So it's very difficult for the troopers and the 13 other law enforcement agencies that are conducting the search right now for Sweat.

MALVEAUX: And you told us that there's more than 1,000 officers who have been involved in this hunt. Tell us, where are they from, the men and women who've spent weeks away from their families, called in to try to find this guy.

ANDERSON: Right. I spoke to one officer and we expected a trooper from the southern tier of New York. He expected to work about 85 hours this week. He had Friday off but that all changed. So he may have worked 90 hours, but a lot of these troopers have hunting backgrounds. They know how to hunt, how to search a perimeter for a deer and make a shot without injuring another person.

They're not just trained in law enforcement but also trained in hunter's safety which is great when you're looking to shoot somebody or take someone down without injuring one of your fellow officers.

MALVEAUX: Yes, John, I don't know much about hunting but I know here that they don't use these trail cameras for hunting for could they be using them for the search? Explain how that works.

ANDERSON: Well, a lot of hunters -- like the town of Malone is small, it probably doubles during the hunting season. A lot of the hunters and the camps like the photo you just showed, out in the trees they have trail cams. Some of them are camouflaged. They're up in the trees. A lot of the hunters forget about these. These are very good cameras. You can access them through your phone or tablet if they're the newer ones, but most of them, they take the SD card out.

Some of the hunters may have forgotten these. These could really aid the troopers if they would show them what is seen on their trail cams if they have anything. This is a little strange too. Those trail cams get stolen a lot, so if you're somebody who has stolen someone's trail cam, check the video on there. This could help, you know, find Sweat at this point. MALVEAUX: Yes, John, that's a very good point.

I want to bring in our own Jean Casarez who's been out there as well.

And, Jean, tell us a little bit about how the community is holding up here. I imagine this is a very stressful situation, there was a sense of relief when one of the suspects was killed. But they have been under this kind of operation and intense spotlight for three weeks now and there's still a killer on the loose.

CASAREZ: You know, Suzanne, you bring up such a great point because we're right here, where the search is going on today. And this is a manhunt that has really been put into second gear today because this one man, David Sweat, convicted murder, is on the loose. And behind me you see the checkpoint and people live beyond that checkpoint. There are residence there. And only residence can get in but because of the checkpoint, they are talked to, they are interviewed. Their trunks are even searched in this area.

But we know that law enforcement from the federal, the state, the local level, even tribal police are out today. But ironically there's an eerie silence here today. We are not hearing helicopters above us. We know the tracking dogs are in there because law enforcement sources tell CNN the tracking dogs have not hit up on any type of human scent today.

We also know that there have been sightings of David Sweat today. But the search continues in this area that is so desolate. This is the largest desolate area east of the Mississippi. The New York Department of Forestry said earlier this week they are not giving up, they continue to search plot by plot. But the silence here is really remarkable when there are so many hundreds, hundreds of law enforcement that are working beyond me to try to find this convicted murderer.

[13:35:06] MALVEAUX: And, Jean, talk about this new picture that we have seen from inside of the cabin. What does that reveal when you take a look at that picture, when we see that television set, when we see that sofa and what looks like to be a pot on the stove. What kind of things are we learning from this new inside view?

CASAREZ: Well, as you said there's television. You see a television that's on right there. But here's what's so important about that cabin. It was one week ago today that cabin about 14 miles away from here, another area but 14 miles, one of the occupants went there to check on it and he realized there had been a burglary. Somebody had gotten in. And so that's when authorities were sent to that area, they did processing of DNA. Besides that, remember law enforcement alluded to a bloody sock, even boots that were left behind.

And that's when they told us that there was a confirmation those inmates had been in there. And the occupant of that cabin believed that one of his shotguns was taken. And I was talking with one of the neighbors of this gentleman yesterday, she told me that he knew immediately it was his shotgun that was taken because it was something that he had for a while, it was an antique version. And now we know that when Richard Matt was cornered yesterday by law

enforcement and ultimately killed, he was found to have a 20-gauge shotgun right next to him -- Suzanne.

MALVEAUX: Right. Jean, thank you so much. John as well. We appreciate your insights and of course if there are any breaks in the story, we're going to get right back to you. Thanks again.

And this story just in now to CNN. A sudden explosion at a water park in Taiwan. It has injured now more than 200 people. Look at this incredible video here. Some of those people seriously. Investigators, they have not pinpointed the exact cause. You can see the people fleeing, panicked, hysterical. Apparently this explosion was set off by some kind of flammable powder. You see the lights going off and people just running. Rescuers, they used large swimming tubes as stretchers to carry some of the injured to ambulances.

This is just incredible pictures that we are seeing here as panic ensued and the flames just high in the air and people screaming and running.

We're going continue to bring you the latest as well on the manhunt in New York. Another story we're developing. But next, people on both sides of the Supreme Court's ruling on same-sex marriage. Well, this weekend they are speaking out. We are there, hearing the nation's reaction next in the NEWSROOM.

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[13:41:29] MALVEAUX: On the same evening the Supreme Court ruled to allow same-sex couples to marry in all 50 states, the White House was lit up with the colors of the rainbow. The symbol of pride and hope for the LGBT community.

The Supreme Court's decision ripping through the nation sparking reactions from people on both sides of the fence. CNN national correspondent Sunlen Serfaty joins us from Washington.

So, Sunlen, tell us what is the reaction, what is the response going into the weekend, and how are people embracing and reacting?

SUNLEN SERFATY, CNN NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Well, there were a lot of celebrations, Suzanne, outside of the White House last night but on the campaign trail it's somewhat of a different story. We've seen today at several conservative gatherings across the country, Republican candidates and also Republican leaders emphasizing their opposition to this ruling using it to fire up their base.

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SERFATY (voice-over): Celebrations across the country continued into the evening, hailing the nation's highest court making the same-sex marriage legal nationwide.

BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: This ruling is a victory for America. This decision affirms what millions of Americans already believe in their hearts. When all Americans are treated as equal, we are all more free.

CROWD: USA. USA. USA.

SERFATY: But on the 2016 campaign trail, the issue is far from over.

HILLARY CLINTON (D), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: This morning love triumphed in the highest court in our land.

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CLINTON: Equality triumphed. America triumphed.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I pronounce you, wife and wife.

SERFATY: Among the Republican presidential hopefuls unity in their opposition to the ruling.

GOV. CHRIS CHRISTIE (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I think this is something that should be decided by the people of each state and not imposed upon them by a group of lawyers sitting in black robes at the U.S. Supreme Court.

SERFATY: But division over how the Republican Party should move forward. The conservative fire brands among the pack indicating they'll use the ruling as a rallying cry, some promising to push for a constitutional amendment to ban gay marriage.

MIKE HUCKABEE (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: We don't have a Supreme Court, we have an extreme court. We have a court that thinks it's not just the Supreme Court, they think they are the supreme branch.

SERFATY: But others like Jeb Bush, John Kasich and Lindsey Graham, striking a conciliatory tone, saying in essence let's move on. Jeb Bush saying, quote, "Good people who have opposing views should be able to live side by side. It's now crucial that as a country we protect religious freedom and the right of conscience, and also not discriminate."

Expect many Republicans to emphasize the phrase religious liberty, vowing to protect people's religious beliefs.

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SERFATY: And this is a delicate dance that many of these Republican candidates find themselves in now. They are mindful about their primary election, having to appeal to their conservative base who are very much opposed to same-sex marriage being legal. But at the same time they're also mindful of the general election where they have to appeal to a much broader group of voters including young Republican voters, the majority of whom want to see same-sex marriage remain legal -- Suzanne.

MALVEAUX: Yes, Sunlen, I remember 2004 when President Bush as a wedge issue, a social issue to get folks to come out and vote. A lot of people think it's not going to be as affective this go around that they should simply move forward. Sunlen, thank you so much. Really appreciate it.

Three more victims of the Charleston bible study massacre are being buried today. We have more on their services up next.

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MALVEAUX: We're continuing to follow the breaking news out of New York today when an intense manhunt continues for escaped convict David Sweat. Bloodhounds had not yet picked up his scent but we're going to continue to bring you the updates on this story as they develop.

Charleston is burying three more victims of the massacre at the historic Emanuel AME Church today. Among them Cynthia Hurd, a beloved town librarian. The Emanuel AME Church was packed with people who came to remember her and the other eight victims of the shooting. Some very high-profile names were among the mourners.

Our own Martin Savidge, he is there. And the South Carolina governor, U.S. congressman, Jessie Jackson. I mean, all of these men came out. They have something to say. What's the mood? Set the scene for us.

[13:50:03] MARTIN SAVIDGE, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, they do. They all -- you know, they all wish to express condolences, of course, to the families, but they also realize that this is an event that has triggered a deep thought process across America, and in many ways it's triggering action.

You also had Senator Scott was there. The mayor of Charleston was there. In fact, the mayor and the governor both have attended so far every funeral, and it's clear their intent is to be there for every funeral.

Governor Nikki Haley, a Republican, she got up and she said about Cynthia, she said, you know, that the Cynthia that taught us how to love, and it was Cynthia's family that taught us how to forgive. Here's some of what the governor spoke about.

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GOV. NIKKI HALEY (R), SOUTH CAROLINA: I love the fact that she lived by the motto, that be kinder than necessary. That's what I will take with me. Be kinder than necessary. It's an amazingly powerful phrase. And I will tell you that while we are incredibly sorry, I am sorry this happened on my watch. But we will make this right. We will make this right.

(CHEERS AND APPLAUSE)

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SAVIDGE: You heard her make that line, "We will make this right." And of course you began to hear the reaction of the congregation there. That's a clear indication to the very strong stance that she has taken regarding the Confederate battle flag that flies over a war memorial down there in Columbia, South Carolina. She and a bipartisan group of politicians came out and said this flag must come down, so hence the reason why her popularity and why her stance is so important to many who are there.

MALVEAUX: Yes. And, Martin, I want to show our viewers that picture that we just saw there because that flag temporarily did come down earlier today, a protester taking it down. Can you tell us what happened to that individual and was there an arrest, and where is the flag now?

SAVIDGE: Yes. This looked very much like a staged protest. In other words, the people came with all the right gear to do what they needed to do, which was to climb up to the top of that flagpole. That flag is attached in an odd way, it's by hooks. They unhooked it and they brought the flag down.

Law enforcement have seen what was taking place. They were immediately there, took two people into custody. They've been charged with defacing a monument and the flag was returned within the hour.

So, you know, this is a statement being made that they believe this particular group that the state legislature is not moving fast enough in removing the flag.

MALVEAUX: We lost Martin there. All right, we will get back to him when we can. Thank you, Martin.

We're going to be back right after this.

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[13:56:19] MALVEAUX: When country music legend Glen Campbell was diagnosed with Alzheimer's, he decided to share his story and that decision led to the award-winning documentary "GLEN CAMPBELL: I'LL BE ME." And it follows Campbell on his final tour.

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GLEN CAMPBELL, COUNTRY MUSIC LEGEND: I had it exactly where I wanted it.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He likes like 120.

CAMPBELL: Would you put it at 122, just out of kicks? Put it at 122.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK.

CAMPBELL: There are too many Indians in here, man. I'm the chief. There's one of me, there's one driver in here. If you want to be the (INAUDIBLE) on the ditch.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: That's been our biggest problems. Glen has become unrehearsable. Any rehearsal is more like a sound check. He can't get through a song without stopping and trying to either tell someone how to play their instrument or that they're playing too loud. UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: One thing I noticed about him asking for a

strange tempo change was that -- I mean, sometimes my brother would be, like, a little argumentative, and say, dad, that's the wrong one. I'd say, guys, let's just do it for him.

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MALVEAUX: CNN Films presents "GLEN CAMPBELL: I'LL BE Me" tomorrow night, that is at 9:00 p.m. Eastern.

And Robert Egge, he is the Alzheimer's Association Vice President of Public Policy and Advocacy.

Thank you for joining us. I really appreciate this. This is an amazing film. It's very, very powerful, very impactful. And I imagine that this is something that you are very proud of because it does raise awareness. And it answers some of the questions that many of us have about Alzheimer's, which is still very much a mystery.

ROBERT EGGE, VP PUBLIC POLICY, ALZHEIMER'S ASSOCIATION: That's right. It remains a mystery. And one thing that viewers will see tonight as they watch the documentary is that one way Campbells were involved like thousands of Americans, were as advocates for this cause. And because of that, there's just been a great breakthrough in Congress in the last two weeks that Alzheimer's Association Advocates are celebrating right now.

MALVEAUX: And what do we learn? I know this is a very personal inside look of his life. What do we learn about it that perhaps people were not aware of before?

EGGE: Well, one thing you'll learn about it is we still don't know enough, as you mentioned. We have to have a much better understanding. Today there's still no way to cure, prevent, or even slow its progression. It affects millions and millions of Americans. And what Congress has done is they've just provided a major increase in congressional funding in the House and Senate to move forward, which would really help us change the story about Alzheimer's disease. And that's what clearly needs to be done.

MALVEAUX: And, Robert, you know that when someone is diagnosed with Alzheimer's, I mean, this is not just about one person, but it really has a profound impact on the whole family. How does your organization try to help those, the family members, the relatives who were close to that person in trying -- the caregivers essentially trying to cope?

EGGE: Well, that's such an important point about this. It really is in many ways a family disease. And so we encourage everyone who's touched by Alzheimer's to contact us, for instance, at alz.org, and we work with families to provide them the skills they need to make what's always a difficult journey that much more bearable.

MALVEAUX: Yes, it is such a difficult thing to see and to see someone experience something like that.

But, Robert, thank you for the great work that you and your organization does.

EGGE: Well, thank you.

MALVEAUX: Thank you. "GLEN CAMPBELL: I'LL BE ME," that's going to air tomorrow night 9:00 p.m. Eastern only here on CNN.

And the next hour of NEWSROOM begins right now.

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