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Trump Rallies Supporters in Iowa, Attends Game; Ben Carson Talks Race In Ferguson; Poll: Clinton Losing Support of Women, Liberals; Tennis Star James Blake Opens Up about NYPD Takedown; Criminal Smugglers Take Advantage of Migrant Plight; Demonstrations in Europe for Migrants; John Kerry Calls Russian Counterpart Over Syria Involvement. Aired 5-6p ET

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POPPY HARLOW, CNN ANCHOR: Hi, everyone. Thanks for being with me. I'm Poppy Harlow in New York. It is 5:00 Eastern, 2:00 p.m. Pacific this Saturday. And we begin with politics. The CNN Republican primary presidential debate just four days away and just this afternoon, we are hearing what is on the candidates' minds as they get ready to take that debate stage.

DONALD TRUMP (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I want to talk about a lot of different things. There are so many things you can talk about. They can talk ObamaCare. But we are really talking about in my opinion security, the military, of which I really know a lot about. I think one of the biggest surprises will be if I win how good I'll be at national security. How good I'll be at the border. I think it will be a big, big, big surprise for people.

HARLOW: That was Donald Trump speaking with reporters about CNN's upcoming debate on Wednesday evening. He was at a campaign rally in Boone, Iowa. Trump's later visited tailgate parties outside the Iowa versus Iowa State football game in Ames. Also there, Scott Walker, Marco Rubio and Rand Paul.

CNN political reporter Sara Murray joins us now from Ames. So, he spoke about his performance and what he's expecting wanting to talk about in the debate. He also talked about the back and forth, the tension that brewed this week between himself and Ben Carson.

SARA MURRAY, CNN POLITICAL CORRESPONDENT: Yes. It's been interesting because Donald Trump and Ben Carson were playing nice for a while --

HARLOW: Right.

MURRAY: And now that Ben Carson's really up in the polls that has not really been the faith. And we saw Trump essentially defending his faith today, saying he's a man of faith, he does read the Bible and going after Ben Carson for criticizing him about that.

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DONALD TRUMP (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: In all fairness to Ben, Ben hit me on my faith. You don't hit a person on faith. I don't know him. He knows nothing about me. I'm Protestant, I'm Presbyterian. I believe strongly. Believe in the Bible strongly. But he hit me on my faith. No, I believe strongly. You don't hit a person on faith. And he was nice enough to apologize, he actually apologize which is nice. Most people won't do that. So, I respect that. So, it's a tough thing when you get hit on faith.

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MURRAY: Now, I can't overestimate how important it is to talk about your faith in a place like Iowa. Evangelical voters are a reliable voting bloc here.

HARLOW: Right.

MURRAY: And it seems like Mr. Trump felt like he needed to make that point today.

HARLOW: But he has been winning in the polls even in the poll this week among evangelicals in Iowa, right?

MURRAY: Well, there's a Quinnipiac poll that shows that Trump is trailing Carson with evangelicals in Iowa. Nationwide he's still winning with evangelicals.

HARLOW: Right.

MURRAY: So, it's a little bit of a horse race going on right now. At least in Iowa.

HARLOW: That's a very good point. Scott Walker also there, right? His poll numbers absolutely collapsing in Iowa. What's he doing to try to get them back up?

MURRAY: Yes. So, Scott Walker spent a lot of time walking through this tailgate you see behind me today, meeting one-on-one with voters. He is actually changing his schedule to spend more time in Iowa and South Carolina where he can have those one-on-one interactions. And look, he said he's looking ahead to the CNN debate. And he said last time he might have been a little too Midwestern nice. This time he's going to be a little more aggressive. Donald Trump, meanwhile, might be taking the opposite approach.

CNN's Jeremy Diamond just caught up with him while he was going through the tailgate. And Trump said, he might try to be a little bit nicer this time. So, we will have to see if that holds true on the debate stage -- Poppy.

HARLOW: Yes. I don't know if they are going to play nice in the debate. I'm just sort of judging from the last one.

MURRAY: I'm not optimistic.

HARLOW: We will all be watching. Sara Murray, thank you very much joining us from Iowa to see --

And this just in to us here. Our political reporter Jeremy Diamond just caught up with the front-runner, Donald Trump, got his latest thoughts about the upcoming CNN debate and being a little nicer as we were just talking about to his opponents. Listen.

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JEREMY DIAMOND, CNN POLITICAL CORRESPONDENT: What did you guys talk about?

TRUMP: Just general. We talked about education. He's a very talented guy. And we talked about education. He really has a good bead on it.

DIAMOND: Did you get any policy ideas?

TRUMP: Little bit. But we really focused on education. They have done a great job in Iowa. He had some great ideas. What a crowd, huh?

DIAMOND: When you see this kind of reception, what does it make you think about your chances in Iowa?

TRUMP: Well, I'm honored by it. I mean, you see it. You have been following me. And it's been amazing. And we just came out with a great poll in Iowa where we are in a way in first place. You understand why.

DIAMOND: You said that, it sounds like you are expecting a bunch of sleepers when you get to the debate this week. What you're going to do?

TRUMP: No, no, no sleepers. Everyone is capable. Everyone is confident. And you do what you do. And I have been doing this for a long time and I want to make America great again. I know how to do it.

DIAMOND: That sounds like a very different Donald Trump from what you used to say before, capable, confident, talking about your opponents that way. That's a different Donald Trump.

TRUMP: I'm trying to be nice.

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[17:05:55] HARLOW: I'm trying to be nice. You will not want to miss the GOP presidential candidates facing off back-to-back debates there both this Wednesday night, September the 16th, 6:00 and 8:00 p.m. only right here on CNN. CNN also hosts the first of six Democratic debates, the first of which is October the 13th in Nevada. What do you want to hear from them? Tweet us your questions, use the #CNNdebate. And maybe we will ask your question.

Democratic presidential hopeful Bernie Sanders headed to South Carolina today to court voters at a historically black college. Sanders told the crowd in South Carolina's Benedict College that he wants to end all forms of institutional racism and wants to make major reforms to the criminal justice system. He also got pretty fired up when he talked about media coverage of the candidates.

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SEN. BERNIE SANDERS (D-VT), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: It is enormously important that we do not allow the media or anybody else to determine the real issues facing our lives and this country.

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A lot of great people in the media who do very very good work but too often, what media looks, the way media looks at politics is they see it as a baseball game or a soap opera. Who's raising money, how much, how well people are doing in polls, who said something really dumb yesterday, who slipped on a banana peel, who insulted somebody. Who cares?

(CHEERS AND APPLAUSE)

You know, people in a democracy can disagree. That's called democracy. But what is important is that we focus on the real issues that impact our lives. And that's what I am trying to do in this campaign. People may disagree with my solutions and that's fine. But let's focus and have a real debate on the real issues that face the middle class and working families and lower income people.

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HARLOW: Bernie Sanders there speaking today in South Carolina.

On to our next story. People who drive on Interstate 10 in the Phoenix area are still on edge over a rash of freeway shootings there. Police have questioned a man but are now saying he's quote, not our prime suspect. Let's talk more about this.

Criminal profiler and retired FBI forensic linguists James Fitzgerald joins me now. He's also the author of the book, "Journey to the Center of the Mind." Thank you for being with me.

JAMES FITZGERALD, CRIMINAL PROFILER: Glad to be here, Poppy.

HARLOW: This is a case where you have ten confirmed shootings in different vehicles and sort of random places along I-10 there in Phoenix. Over 11 days. You worked on the D.C. sniper case. When they bring someone in like this person they brought in for questioning, what are they asking at this point?

FITZGERALD: Well, they will going to be asking him a lot of questions and of course, depending whether he has an attorney or waives his right to counsel, et cetera. We will see how much he answers. But certainly I want to know his activities for the last two weeks or so since August 29th, the first confirmed shooting. It's important that's only the first confirmed shooting that we know. There could have been even times before that and even different locations.

HARLOW: Right.

FITZGERALD: So they are going to be asking them all these kind of questions. They're going to want to know, you know, his cell phone number and see where that maybe has pinged off of various towers during that time frame and see if they match up with the story he's given. So, there's going to be a lot of stories, a lot that go back and forth from him and they are going to verify them one way or the other before long and he will be ruled in or ruled out. It sounds like they are leaning towards he's not their top suspect right now.

HARLOW: Right. One of the things you pointed out that I think is important here is the issue of the possibility of copycats. Because there was sort of this five day span, there were all these shootings, and then a five-day sort of break and then another shooting at another vehicle. How likely do you think it is that we are dealing with a copycat case here?

FITZGERALD: It certainly can't be ruled out, Poppy. But these are more difficult type of case to copycat. It's one thing in arson, you can take some matches and some gasoline and light a place on fire. Some other types of violent crimes. But to go out and buy a long rifle, a tripod, a scope and not to mention ammo, find the right place to shoot, that's not as easy to do. So, I'm not here ruling out somebody else isn't out there having, you know, the same sort of, you know, thrill that this original shooter is --

HARLOW: Right.

FITZGERALD: But these guys are very proud of their workmanship so to speak, and if there was one shooter originally, he probably wouldn't be too happy with someone now taking his fame away from him.

HARLOW: You have said that it is key for police in this investigation to find out what type of firearm is being used. Why does that matter what type is being used at this point in terms of identifying the suspect?

FITZGERALD: Well, certainly for linkage purposes, that would be the primary reason. Are they in fact all the same ballistic findings once it gets sent to the lab? And in most cases, if the projectiles are intact, they can be sent to the lab and they can be determined if it came from the same weapon where the firing pin hit it any defects on that. So, that's number one. Number two is, so now they know what kind of rifle it is, they know what kind of ammo is being used. They will go around to local gun shops, to the best of their ability, and ask who has been buying these kinds of weapons. They will going to back a year or two and they're going to ask who's buying this kind of ammo, magazines to fit this particular weapon, and they will going to do everything they can to try to match up a person with any kind of weaponry such as this. So, it would be important for them to know that.

HARLOW: All right. James Fitzgerald, thank you very much. I do hope they find out who it is because they called all of these cases potentially lethal encounters. Thank you, sir.

Okay. Coming up, it is the rise of the Washington outsiders and boy, do the numbers prove it. And Ben Carson is the man of the moment. He is speaking out in Ferguson, Missouri this week on police and race relations. (COMMERCIAL BREAK)

[17:15:08] HARLOW: Donald Trump has tightened his grip on the Republican presidential race but it is still early. But his new rival in the latest polls, Dr. Ben Carson, is having his own moment in the spotlight. Carson spent part of Friday afternoon in Ferguson, Missouri, getting a first-hand look at the city that was ground zero for protests over police treatment of African-Americans.

Our CNN political commentators Ben Ferguson and Marc Lamont Hill are with me. Ben hosts "The Ben Ferguson Show." Marc is the professor at Morehouse College.

Thank you both for being here.

MARC LAMONT HILL, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: Good to be here.

HARLOW: I was fascinated when I learned that, you know, that Ben Carson was going to go to Ferguson, especially given what he had said in the past about the Black Lives Matter movement, et cetera. He went, it seems like he got a pretty warm reception there. When asked, why did you come here, here's what he said.

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DR. BEN CARSON (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Because we need to de- emphasize race. And we need to emphasize respect. We need to emphasize respect for everybody in our society. And we need to emphasize fairness and justice for all. And I can't think of a better place than Ferguson to do that.

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HARLOW: Marc, to you first. De-emphasize race and emphasize fairness for all. Your reaction?

HILL: Well, it depends on what you mean. If he means we want to de- emphasize race in the sense that we don't want race to be a demerit in terms of getting access to healthcare, housing, fresh fruits and vegetables, you know, good education, then yes, I want to de-emphasize race in that sense. But I don't want to de-emphasize the conversation about racism or white supremacy. I don't want to ignore the structural problems that are directly affecting people who are raced black as opposed to those who are race-white. And that's what he wants to do. He wants us to become race blind and race mute. And that's dangerous. It will win him some votes on the Republican side but it will probably make it impossible for him to be president.

HARLOW: Ben, do you agree? Does he wants us to become race blind?

BEN FERGUSON, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: No. I completely disagree. I watched Ben Carson speak a couple of different times in small groups. One was about two years ago, another was about ten months ago.

And both times when he was speaking, he was talking about race. He was talking about how we need to move past some of the issues with race and realize that if we have good ideas and good plans for every community, then the race card may -- and race issues may in fact go away. If you listen to what he actually says, he's saying we do have to do many of the things that Marc just talked about. We do need to do more in the inner city. We do need to do more with grocery stores and with shopping and with safe communities and safe neighborhoods.

And I think if you listen to what he really says in his heart, I think Ben Carson's point is, we've got to do a better job where then by default, race doesn't matter as much. It doesn't have to be a racial issue if we do our job well in society. And in communities and with education specifically. He's talked about inner city education now for quite some time. Lot of people haven't covered it but what he said is we've got to get all of our schools better and it shouldn't matter what the color of the skin of the student is. To me, that's a pretty good message for all of America and people should pay attention to that.

HARLOW: But Marc, the Black Lives Matter Movement, right? We have seen some of their members protesting, challenging several presidential candidates, Bernie Sanders on the stage there when he was out west. He got basically taken off the stage by some of the Black Lives Matter protesters. And Carson has criticized the group in the past. He said on Friday he would be glad to meet with them but he suggested that they recalibrate their message. Listen.

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CARSON: My beef with Black Lives Matter Movement has been I think they need to add a word and that word is all. All black lives matter. Including the ones that are eradicated by abortions, including the ones that are eradicated on the streets every day by violence. And we need to be looking at all of the factors that have kept the black community in a very dependent position for decades.

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HARLOW: Marc, were you glad to hear him say that, broaden it out, or was that not the forum?

HILL: Well, yes, I want him to be honest in all forums. I think it's inaccurate. I mean, one of the things that's happened since the beginning of the Black Lives Matter movement is that there has been a conversation about all black lives mattering. And the reason that that word all was added not in place of black but in addition to black, i.e., all black lives matter, was because we wanted to include trans people. We wanted to include lesbian, gay, bisexual folk, disabled folk, other abled folk, excuse me, elderly. We wanted to have a rich and robust conversation about black people so it wasn't just a conversation about black men dying at the hands of law enforcement although that is important.

Ben Carson is now adding the abortion piece to this. And I think that within the Black Lives Matter movement like any movement, there's a diverse range of beliefs but I think most people within the Black Lives Matter movement who I have encountered and certainly the other three women who were architects of the hashtag would say that reproductive rights and reproductive freedom is also -- for women is also part of all Black Lives Matter. But look, if you want to talk about black on black violence, if you want to talk about other issues within -- under the rubric of black lives mattering, sure. But the movement has never been against that. We want everyone to be safe. We want everyone to be whole. We want all forms of injustice to go away.

HARLOW: Go ahead, Ben.

FERGUSON: I think what Ben Carson was saying there is that maybe we don't have to have such a divisive conversation and instead, we can have a very robust full conversation and be even more inclusive reason, all black lives matter. I mean, if you try to take the politics out of it a little bit and you listen to what Ben Carson's saying, what he's saying is a very smart approach to this, and it's one that brings in a lot of different viewpoints. I know, Marc, you're laughing. Let me finish. Let me finish. If you want black lives to matter, the movement to actually be effective, then maybe you should listen to people like Ben Carson when they bring some to the table from a different perspective from a doctor who is also talking about the negative effects that we have when it comes to reproductive health or abortion in the African-American community. I think it would be nice if you would actually welcome him into the conversation instead of saying that what he's saying is not right or it's wrong.

HARLOW: Very quickly, Marc. Very quickly.

FERGUSON: No one has ever made him unwelcome. You keep saying he needs to be welcomed in. He is welcomed in.

HILL: You criticize him.

FERGUSON: Just because you're in the conversation doesn't mean you don't get challenged. You are in this conversation and I'm telling you are 100 percent wrong. You are saying the same thing about me. Being in the conversation, being in the family means we can disagree. And to save somehow of it, we should take the political message of Ben Carson, he's talking about abortion. How can you talk about abortion and say that it's not a political issue?

HARLOW: Ben, Marc, I got to get a break in. Stay with me. Next, we're going to talk about another hot topic. The Hillary Clinton camp banking on the women's vote. Could that support be faltering? Up first, CNN's "FIT NATION."

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GUPTA (voice-over): We are just a week away now from the Nautica Malibu Triathlon and the team is ready. They spent the last eight months swimming, biking and running. All in preparation for this day. Julia and Eugene Smookler, our first married couple to participate, say they are ready to cross that finish line together. SMOOKLER: Overall the experience has been amazing. You know, eating

habits, and trying to help each other out with that, meal planning, to be able to give each other the time.

DR. SANJAY GUPTA, CNN CHIEF MEDICAL CORRESPONDENT: Sixty-seven-year- old Linda Garrett has overcome a knee injury.

GARRETT: It's a setback. It's an ongoing setback.

GUPTA: While it still hurts she's adapted to get the job done.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I will finish the race. I will finish the race.

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LARA: It's still a work in progress but nothing's burned down. So, that's good for him.

GUPTA: Thirty-six-year-old Erica Moore has dropped weight, stopped drinking and is already signing up for more triathlons.

MOORE: I really got in the zone and I really feel like I awakened the triathlete within myself.

GUPTA: And last, but certainly not least, PH.D. candidate Chip Greenwich says despite challenges in time management he's determined to get to the finish line.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I'm going to do it. That's why I put my mind to do it. And anything I put my mind to do, I do.

GUPTA: All in all, the team is looking good. So, I'll see you guys at the starting line. Dr. Sanjay Gupta, CNN reporting.

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[17:27:33] HARLOW: Democratic front-runner Hillary Clinton has seen a steady decline in her poll numbers in recent weeks. And if you dig a little bit deeper into this latest CNN poll, you can start to see why. She's lost half of her support among self-described liberal Democrats since August, dropping from 46 percent to 23 percent.

She is also losing some key support among women. Her lead in the head-to-head matchup with Bush and Carson have disappeared and in the latest head-to-head matchup with Donald Trump her advantage is fading. Just a month ago, 60 percent of women favored Clinton, 37 percent were for Trump. Now that lead has narrowed to 55 percent that Clinton has among women and 41 percent for Trump.

Our political commentators Ben Ferguson and Marc Lamont Hill are back. Ben, let me begin with you. She is counting on this women's vote. Why would she be losing that support? FERGUSON: Yes. It's the trust issue. And we saw the last poll that

came out on her about what word would you describe, the number one word you think of when you think of Hillary Clinton, it was liar. And that is because of the e-mail. She did apologize saying she made a mistake and she has done it a couple of times this last week. I'm afraid, though, for her it may be a little bit too much -- or too little, too late. Because there are people that made up their mind about her that she is not trustworthy, and that's among even people in her own party who are now going to Bernie Sanders.

Plus, people are still looking at Joe Biden. And it's weird to see how long it took her to come out and realize this is a big problem. I mean, I'm shocked that her staff didn't tell her to address this literally months ago, and it probably would not have been a big issue. But when you act like you're above the law or you act like you're better than the rules that everyone else has to play for, it ends up coming back and haunting you. And people were focused on it and now they just don't trust her.

HARLOW: But also when you look at Donald Trump who is gaining in, you know, women's support, he picked up 13 points among women since August, rising from 20 percent to 33 percent of GOP women now support him, this week, Marc, to you, he had to backtrack on those comments about Carly Fiorina's face. I want to read you the quote. From the Rolling Stone article. "Look at that face, would anyone vote for that? Can you imagine that, the face of our next president?" About the only female contender on the GOP side in this race. Is that going to hurt him among women, because nothing else has?

HILL: I mean, ultimately he seems to be Teflon.

[17:30:00] But I think that comments like that ultimately will come back to bite him. Interesting to watch him actually become a politician. Three months ago he would not apologize for anything. Now he's doing the typical political move of saying that thing that I said that you have quoted verbatim that I said, I didn't actually say, I said the opposite of what you read that I said.

(LAUGHTER)

When that begins to happen you see them becoming politicians. Which means he will probably build a stronger coalition but ultimately the thing this will come down to for him as opposed to Hillary is Donald Trump doesn't know anything. Not knowing anything and being a bully and being obnoxious at some point has to come back to bite you.

When it comes to Hillary Clinton, as Ben is 100 percent right on this, in that it is a trust factor. Hillary Clinton has to slowly rebuild the trust. These polls are a snapshot, a blip. Everything can change in a week, in two weeks. Joe Biden getting into the race could change things. Joe Biden not getting into the race may make voters pragmatic and make a decision between her, Bernie Sanders and Martin O'Malley that might be different than we think right now. It's wide open. Hillary Clinton can still live, but has to change her approach, has to come clean --

FERGUSON: She's in trouble.

HILL: -- and make voters feel she's coming clean.

HARLOW: I think we saw that. Certainly this week a change in tone from her, apologizing in one interview for the e-mail debacle.

Ben, Marc, always wish we had more time. Thank you, gentlemen.

FERGUSON: Thanks.

HILL: Thanks.

HARLOW: Coming up next, former tennis star, James Blake, opening up to our very own Don Lemon about being taken down by a plain clothes police officer in the middle of New York when he was just standing in front of a hotel. He is talking about a potential lawsuit and police reform, next.

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HARLOW: Former tennis star, James Blake, says a New York City police officer, who body slammed him and tackled him to the ground in a case of mistaken identity, should be fired. He sat down today with our Don Lemon for a one-on-one interview just a day after the NYPD released this video showing Blake being thrown to the sidewalk, then cuffed by an officer in plain clothes. The officer later admitted that Blake had been wrongfully detained. Was the officer mistaken in believing he was a suspect in a fraud case?

Today, Don asked Blake if he thought race was a part of it at all.

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[17:35:14] DON LEMON, CNN ANCHOR: Your mom says, "I'm glad he took the path of least resistance," she said. "It could have gotten really ugly. You don't think about them as being black until this kind of thing throws it back on you."

She thinks it has something to do with race. He says it doesn't. Do you?

JAMES BLAKE, FORMER TENNIS PROFESSIONAL: You know, I think the race issue is a huge issue. I don't think it's appropriate for this incident because I think this incident needs to be more about the force and the fact that this can't be used and these kinds of police officers can't be encouraged to be back out on the streets.

I think the issue of race is a bigger one for a whole different interview, and I don't want to muddy this situation, muddy this incident that really needs to create change in the police brutality, in the accountability of these police officers with the racial issue. I think there's probably -- there probably is a gray area with Bill Bratton being so clear one way and my mom being so clear the other way. I'm sure there is a gray area. And somewhere in the middle that we can talk about, but I think that's for really a different discussion. LEMON: You said, "I am determined to use my voice to turn this

unfortunate incident into a catalyst for change in the relationship between the police and the public they serve." If that's not through a lawsuit -- or maybe it is -- how does that work?

BLAKE: Well, like I said, I want to see change. I want to see this not happen. That was my first reaction once I realized that I need to speak up about this, is I can't imagine this happening to someone I care about and I don't want to go through this again. I don't want to go through it personally and I don't want to go through it and see it happen to anyone around me and I know there's a lot of people out there that feel the same way. We need to find a way to stop this from happening. I'm sure it won't be overnight. I'm sure tomorrow this is going to happen somewhere.

I don't want that to be the case. I don't want it to be brushed, swept under the rug and said it happens once in awhile but we'll move past it. That's what I don't want. I don't want a lawsuit that says here's $5 million, go away. We're not going to talk about this again. I want to keep talking about this. I want to open a dialogue with Mayor de Blasio, with Commissioner Bratton, about real solutions, about accountability, about making sure that this isn't going to happen, and these types of police officers are no longer able to do this.

LEMON: What do you say to that officer if he's sitting where I am?

BLAKE: First thing I would say is you took advantage of me at a very vulnerable situation and in doing so, you hurt my family. I want him to know this isn't just hurting me. Every time he's done this or would do this, it hurts a whole family. That's not fair. That's not fair to use your badge to do that. Because you've got that badge and you are supposed to treat that with respect and honor, the way we are supposed to respect and honor it. I don't think he deserves, I would say to him I don't think he deserves to ever have that badge again.

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HARLOW: Blake also said that at no point during the incident did the officer identify himself or offer any explanation of what was happening.

You can watch that full interview at CNN.com right now.

It is a desperate situation growing worse by the day. Refugees doing whatever it takes to make it to safety for them and their family. Much more on their difficult journey. Ivan Watson reports next.

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(COMMERCIAL BREAK) [17:41:52] HARLOW: Saudi Arabia's king visited the site of a deadly crane collapse today and vowed to investigate the cause of the incident. At least 107 people were killed, 238 others injured in Mecca on Friday when a construction crane crashed through the roof of the world's largest and very holy mosque. It happened just ten days before the hajj which draws about a million Muslim pilgrims to the site. Saudi civil defense authorities say a powerful storm, a big sand storm there, is to blame.

A show of solidarity across Europe today for the hundreds of thousands of refugees seeking safety from violence in their own countries.

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HARLOW: Those rallies took place throughout Europe, including this one in central London. European leaders arguing over how to deal with the huge influx of refugees.

There is no sign it will slow down any time soon as instability rages on, especially in Syria. But for some, criminal smugglers are taking advantage of their plight.

CNN's Ivan Watson reports.

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IVAN WATSON, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): This is how some refugees and migrants are smuggling themselves to Europe, cramming more than 30 people at a time in broad daylight aboard an overcrowded pontoon boat armed with life jackets and inflated inner tubes in case of an accident.

This footage, filmed secretly a little more than a week ago off the coast of Turkey. Turks, who appear to be smugglers, shove the overloaded boat out into the water. Seconds later, a man appearing to pilot the vessel abandons ship. The inflatable rubber boat turns in circles until the migrants figure out how to steer the vessel themselves. It then motors off towards a Greek island, an informal gateway to Europe.

And it looks like many more Syrian refugees are on the way. In the Turkish port city of Izmir on Tuesday, scores sitting in cafes and sidewalks with backpacks full of belongings and garbage bags full of life jackets.

(on camera): The passage to Greece by sea is still a really big business here. Cafes are selling life jackets. You've got Syrians trying them on in the street just waiting for their trip across the water.

(voice-over): This Turkish shop owner does not want us filming his business. Several Syrian refugees, who don't want to be identified for fear of

reprisal back home, tell me they just arrived in Turkey from Syria within the last couple of days.

(on camera): Aren't you afraid? These are bad boats, you know?

UNIDENTIFIED MIGRANT: I know. I know.

WATSON: Something terrible could happen.

UNIDENTIFIED MIGRANT: I know.

WATSON: People are dying in the water.

UNIDENTIFIED MIGRANT: I don't want to fight with anyone. I don't want to kill. I don't want to get killed.

WATSON (voice-over): They say it costs around $1300 U.S. to buy passage to a Greek island. Among those waiting for the call from a smuggler, many families with children.

When I ask a father if he's afraid his kids could drown at sea, he answers, "They will die anyway if they stay in Syria."

On the Turkish coast last week, the refugees just kept coming, some walking with children down to the water. Under the olive groves, they wait for their chance to escape.

Ivan Watson, CNN, Izmir, Turkey.

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[11:45:27] HARLOW: Amazing reporting there from Ivan Watson. Thank you very much.

We will take a quick break.

First, our "CNN Hero."

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[17:51:58] HARLOW: An update now on Europe's refugee crisis. As government leaders struggle to find a solution, thousands of demonstrators hit the streets across Europe today, urging their own governments to help bring these people to safety and to a better life.

Let's talk about it with CNN global affairs analyst, a writer for "The Daily Beast," Kimberly Dozier; and former CIA operative, Bob Bear.

Kimberly, let me start with you first. We know the Obama administration comes out, announces plans to accept up to 10,000 more Syrian refugees. This happens at the same time James Clapper says he's worried about the possibility of infiltration by ISIS activists. How likely really is that?

KIMBERLY DOZIER, CNN GLOBAL AFFAIRS ANALYST: Well, I did check in with an intelligence official about those reports, I said, does this mean Clapper's worried about the 10,000 coming here?

HARLOW: Yeah.

DOZIER: They said, he is more concerned about the vetting procedures going into Europe. Right now, I've spoken to several U.S. officials who are concerned that Hungary, Greece, they're really not processing a lot of these people, they're not taking their biometrics, not even checking they have traveling papers before they move on. And then the problem happens with some of these folks get to Austria or Germany, places with much higher privacy laws, and you can have 800,000 refugees registered in Germany who might have some connection to terrorism, but the U.S. won't be able to access those databases, so that can be a potential problem.

HARLOW: Sure.

DOZIER: The refugees coming here, there is a very complicated multistage process. That's why it can take up to 18 months to register some of these people. It requires an in person Department of Homeland Security official interview with each refugee who wants to come here.

HARLOW: Right.

DOZIER: So they think that that will give them the data that they need to eliminate any connection to terrorism for people coming here.

HARLOW: So, Bob, to you. Clearly, vetting, as Kimberly brings up, is an issue here, but at the same time, you have desperate people fighting for their life. And if there are terrorists trying to infiltrate these refugee groups, you're talking about a tiny number, right?

BOB BAER, CNN GLOBAL AFFAIRS ANALYST: You're talking about a tiny number right now, Poppy, but the problem is, the fighting in Syria's actually getting worse, around Damascus, Duma, in the eastern regions. It's enormous. The casualties in august are hired in the war. That's going to mean more refugees coming to Europe.

And then the problem is Syrian identification. The passports are easy to make, easy to forge, easy to change names. The I.D. cards are very sophisticated, but without a central government, there's no way to check on it. So I mean, right now, it's not a danger of the United States taking 10,000 of these people. For Europe, that's something else with the large numbers of people coming across the border. I don't know how you control that verifiable identity.

HARLOW: Before I let you go, I want to get both of your take on the situation, sort of the escalating tension between the United States and Russia.

This week, Sergei Lavrov, the foreign minister of Russia, and John Kerry, secretary of state here, having two calls this week -- Kimberly, to you -- because of Moscow's buildup of troops within Syria, what does this do to change the game?

[11:55:11] DOZIER: Well, the U.S. is trying to figure out what Moscow's intentions are. Are they sending in advisers to actually take part in this military fight, to prop up the Assad regime, because Russia is afraid that Assad is going to fall, or is this just Russia positioning to strengthen Assad ahead of the U.N. General Assembly meeting happening this week? Putin is coming to that. So is he trying to strengthen his hand to negotiate on behalf of Syria by signaling to everyone, Moscow's interests are alive with Assad, you're not going to take him out of this picture. HARLOW: Bob, to you very quickly, Britain, this week, seeming to

acquiesce a bit, saying they would be OK with Assad staying in power for a transition period. Is that just embolden Assad?

BAER: It does. And he's -- you know, he won't leave at this point, he said he will for the next elections, but the point is, you have rules in Syria, whoever they want to put forward to negotiate I think should be fine with us, even if it means leaving Bashar al Assad for a temporary period. We really do have to talk to Damascus. This is not something we can let go.

HARLOW: All right, Kimberly Dozier, Bob Baer, as always, thank you both.

We'll be right back.

BAER: Thank you.

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