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GOP Candidates Push for Debate Overhaul; Bill Cosby Order to Give Deposition; "El Faro" Found on Ocean Bottom; Universities Knew Before Tragedies of Hazing Issues; Carly Fiorina to Confront Ladies on "The View". Aired 2:30-3p ET
Aired November 02, 2015 - 14:30 ET
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[14:30:00] BROOKE BALDWIN, CNN ANCHOR: Dylan, do you agree with that? I have pages of the demands. Wasn't one of them about the moderators.
DYLAN BYERS, CNN SENIOR MEDIA & POLITICS REPORTER: Yeah, I think the point is right, which is you have all of these demands, but when you get down to it, the only thing that gets to substance is they want parody in terms of the amount of questions that each candidates gets and the quality of questions. But as RNC spokesperson said earlier today, I can't put words in moderators' mouths. At the end of the day, they are going to ask the questions they want to ask. The signal has been sent they want more substantive questions. From the campaigns as well. But the moderators are going to ask the questions and the day we start letting campaigns tell debate moderators what questions they can and can't ask -- the media companies are holding the debate. If the candidates don't want to show up, they don't have to. We're getting into this silly season where the campaigns are running the show and I'm not sure where we want to be.
BALDWIN: Matt, care to comment, final word on said silly season.
MATT LEWIS, CONSERVATIVE COMMENTATOR: I'm torn. One hand, as a journalist, I don't want to see a slippery slope where candidates want a preapproved question. That would be horrible. On the other hand, there's no doubt that most of these moderators skew liberal. They have a different world view. Republican candidates and the RNC it's incumbent to be sure that the debate process isn't a clown car that destroys candidates and strangles the babies in the crib before they get to the nomination. You want it to be healthy. I think Marco Rubio and Ted Cruz did very well in that hostile debate. Maybe that's need. Maybe they will be better in the general election debate because of that crucible.
BALDWIN: Matt, Mo, Dylan, guys, thank you so much.
LEWIS: Thank you.
BALDWIN: We have breaking news here into CNN involving Bill Cosby and a lawsuit being brought by model, Janice Dickenson.
Jean Casarez has just sat down with me here. She has the news.
What's happening? JEAN CASAREZ, CNN CORRESPONDENT: I was able to confirm. This suit was filed some time ago. It's a defamation lawsuit. I was able to confirm, moments ago, a judge has ruled Bill Cosby must sit for a deposition.
BALDWIN: So another deposition for him.
CASAREZ: By Lisa Bloom, who is the attorney for Janice Dickenson, on behalf of the client, along with Marti Singer, who is the long- standing attorney for Bill Cosby, who recently stepped down as his attorney. This is a defamation lawsuit. The deposition must take place by November 25th of this year. So this is a second time in a matter of months that Bill Cosby will have to swear under oath to tell the truth. This time, on calling her a liar. When Janice came out to CNN and talking about what she went through when she was in Lake Tahoe in 1992. She was drugged and raped by Bill Cosby. And he called her a liar. And one thing they are saying in this suit is that you called her a liar, but you're not saying you didn't do it. You haven't affirmatively come forward.
Now we are in the process right now of calling Bill Cosby and his legal team to get a response for this, but a judge has ruled he must sit for a deposition with Lisa Bloom, attorney, Lisa Bloom --
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BALDWIN: To swear to tell the truth.
CASAREZ: To swear to tell the truth.
BALDWIN: Jean Casarez, thank you.
CASAREZ: You're welcome.
BALDWIN: Coming up next, we have more breaking news coming into CNN on this Monday. A major development in the search for that missing cargo ship "El Far" that disappeared during a hurricane. What the U.S. Navy has discovered almost three miles below the ocean surface. Details, when we come back.
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[14:37:54] BALDWIN: Breaking news in the search for the cargo ship "El Faro" lost during Hurricane Joaquin. The Navy says they've found the wreckage, up right, in one piece, they're saying, some three miles below the surface near the Bahamas. This comes as the ship's owner has filed a lawsuit to block legal action from the families of the missing ship's crew, and the company says it did everything in its power to ensure the ship is safe and should bare no financial liability.
So Martin Savidge has been working this for us and joins us from Atlanta.
Martin Savidge, first of all, how did they find this? MARTIN SAVIDGE, CNN CORRESPONDENT: They had a rough idea of where
this vessel might be given this position it was lost on October 1st. There were 33 people on board. So they have a good idea of where to look. Over the weekend they did spot something on the bottom and it seemed to match the dimensions of the vessel. Nearly 800 people. And they also discovered it appears to be upright. Apparently, today, they sent down a camera to make a positive I.D. And that's coming from the U.S. Navy and NTSB. The good news about it being upright is when trying to recover it, the black box, if the ship is upright, it should be located near the bridge of the ship on the outside of the vessel. It should be able to retrieve it. Once you have that, you have basic information about speed and most important communication between the ship and those on shore what was being said in the final moments. So all that could be crucial to trying to determine what really happened in the last moments of that vessel's life and those on board.
BALDWIN: For those families, they need that and deserve that.
Martin Savidge, thank you.
SAVIDGE: You're welcome.
[14:49:45] BALDWIN: Coming up next, what a CNN investigation is revealing about three different hazing deaths on three major college campuses. Did the schools know trouble was brewing before tragedy struck? That's next.
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BALDWIN: Our CNN Investigation Unit uncovered new details in a series of high-profile hazing deaths at three different college campuses. We did this digging and our research revealed that three major universities knew about hazing issues before these tragedies took place.
Sara Ganim has more on the CNN exclusive. Also with us, CNN legal analyst, Danny Cevallos
Great to have you both here.
Tell me what you found out.
SARA GANIM, CNN CORRESPONDENT: We found in the last eight years or so, the two dozen hazing-related incidents, five of the universities actually knew of bad behavior, hazing-related troubles at fraternities before the students died. So, for example, in the case of Nolan Birch, who died last fall at West Virginia University, his school knew days before he died that his fraternity was losing its charter over bad behavior. But the question was, why didn't they act on it. We found, in case after case, the hands-off approach was really the way that universities are going here.
[14:45:25] BALDWIN: So the issue -- you talked to the parents of these students who have died and you said that even in some of these cases the parents thought, OK, my kid is joining the fraternity, I know there are these hazing issues, I want to find out what issues could be at the universities. You can't go online and find out.
GANIM: Right. If you go online to the university website or in many cases the fraternity websites, you'll find things about myths of hazing or find that schools will say this promotes philanthropy and say it promotes good grades. Things that make their kid join. All of that is true, but they don't also post the bad things that happen. So if my kid is pledging a fraternity, I can't go on and find out --
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GANIM: -- if something bad happened there or if they're holding illegal parties or if there's underage drinking of if there are hazing-related incidents --
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BALDWIN: Come on, part of that is -- let's be realistic.
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DANNY CEVALLOS, CNN LEGAL ANALYST: Not everybody joins a fraternity for the philanthropy. Let's come out and say it, Brooke.
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CEVALLOS: Not everybody joins for the good deed. Yeah, exactly. But legally, the landscape is relatively undeveloped. Over the last several decades, we have looked at not only at universities, but fraternities. And that becomes the liability of a local chapter versus the liability of that national chapter that exists in the distance that the local chapter never have personal contact with. This law has developed over the years. It's a patchwork quilt among the several states.
BALDWIN: But if there are issues, as there are issues at some universities, do these fraternities, are they obligated by law to post that front and center on their website?
CEVALLOS: There's no currently legal obligation, but even if we try to develop one, it will be interesting to see how a law would address that issue. You're implicating the First Amendment in asking an organization to post information. And then you go back to basic advertising principles, which are you're allowed to say only the good stuff about your organization. And what is a fraternity? Is it like selling a car or are you an organization obligated to talk about not only your good things but all of the negatives, the demerits, the other things that you received over the past few years.
BALDWIN: So to be determined, essentially on that. And whether it is on or off campus, public versus private, that's all factored in.
GANIM: They're factors. We have seen in a couple cases that tenders have been able to successfully sue both -- one fraternity and some schools, and say as part of a settlement in this lawsuit, you have to post these things online. What you find, even the best practices at schools, you'll see on their websites things like a social policy violation. Well what's that?
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GANIM: If I want to know what's going on, I'm not going to find out from that website.
BALDWIN: Thank you for asking. And those parents, I'd love to talk to them.
Sara and Danny, thank you very much. I appreciate it.
The issue of fraternities on college campuses.
Up net, Carly Fiorina, she's planning to confront the women of "The View." They have invited her to be on the show after they mocked her appearance during the Republican presidential debate. So we'll discuss that, what's ahead for her.
Also, back to our breaking story, did is take down a Russian passenger jet? U.S. Intelligence combing through radar, satellite data. They have the black boxes. We'll have a live report on that coming up next.
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[14:53:05] BALDWIN: Just a week after the hosts of "The View" mocked Carly Fiorina's appearance, she will head to their couches this is week. It all started with this moment in the aftermath of the Republican debate.
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MICHELLE COLLINS, CO-HOST, THE VIEW: She kicked off her thing saying people tell me I didn't smile enough during the last debate. She looked demented.
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JOY BEHAR, CO-HOST, THE VIEW: She looked like she had a Halloween mask. I love that.
COLLINS: Smiling Fiorina, can you image?
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PAULA FARIS, CO-HOST, THE VIEW: I think demented is a strong word. It looked like she was practicing that for a long time.
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WHOOPI GOLDBERG, CO-HOST, THE VIEW: She means demented. As a comic, I have to stand up for the words we use.
(END VIDEO CLIP) BALDWIN: Carly Fiorina hitting back at the comments from "The View." Carly Fiorina saying she's tired of being insulted by political liberal feminists. So the reaction to that, here's "The View" today.
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GOLDBERG: On FOX News, Carly Fiorina got a little mad at us. We were talking about after last week's debate and she was asked if there was a double standard for conservative women. Take a look.
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CARLY FIORINA, (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE & FORMER CEO, HEWLETT- PACKARD: I think there's a double standard. It's funny. I was on "The View" several months ago. They said none of that to my face. There's nothing more threatening to the liberal media in general and to Hillary Clinton in particular than a conservative woman. So of course, there's a double standard. And conservative women, from Sara Palin to Michele Bachmann to Carly Fiorina, are long used to this. It will not stop me. It will not scare me. Maybe the ladies of "The View," if I come back on again, let's see if they have the guts to say that to my face.
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GOLDBERG: Here's the deal. Here's the deal.
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GOLDBERG: Carly Fiorina will be here on Friday. Now I will not, but I do want to point out, Carly, that the last time you were here, and you'll see bee roll (ph) running, we welcomed you to our table. We helped raise your --
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[14:55:00] GOLDBERG: -- profile so you would be included in the sea of men. There were no we were worried about Republican backlash. Nobody was back-lashing. We were respectful and gave you your due. Just so we're all clear, you have to know the difference between when somebody is coming for you and when somebody is paying you a compliment and when somebody is saying, here's my observation. If you can get that together, maybe you can be president.
But how about this --
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FARIS: It's a brilliant strategy move on her part. And I think every politician --
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GOLDBERG: OK. FARIS: We love that.
GOLDBERG: You'll be here again. Welcome back to "The View," Carly Fiorina.
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BALDWIN: All right, Charmane Yost is with me, former Reagan adviser and former advisor to Mike Huckabee, his 2008 campaign; and Maria Cardona, CNN political commentator and Democratic strategist.
Ladies, great to have you on.
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BALDWIN: This is something -- Charmane, first to you. Obviously, I want to get to the comments today. This is something I took on, on my show last week. I called the ladies of "The View" out. I would love to get your reaction on the initial comments from last week.
CHARMANE YOST, FORMER REAGAN ADVISOR & FORMER MIKE HUCKABEE CAMPAIGN ADVISOR: Brooke, I think this is just the worst kind of parody of "Mean Girls." There's so much hypocrisy. Love to hear Whoopi trying to claim she's part of Carly Fiorina's success and that somehow the fact they were nice to her face but talking behind her back makes it OK to be liberal about how they are attacking her appearance instead of taking her on substance. This is just nothing but them not being willing to accept a strong conservative woman who is standing by her opinions.
BALDWIN: We women are the worst to each other, and I'm all about hitting and criticizing. I agree it should be on substance and not physicality.
Maria, your reaction?
MARIA CARDONA, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: Absolutely. I agree with Charmane. And your commentary was spot on, Brooke. I loved it. I thought their comments were nothing less than atrocious because there's so much to go after Carly Fiorina on her policies. We should never get into women's looks on either side. It's a losing proposition. I will defend any conservative woman who is attacked by any media on her looks or the way she dresses because that's what all of us are battling in society.
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CARDONA: But it's her policies that we need to be going after because, frankly, her policies will be incredibly bad for women. Atrocious. And we should enumerate them.
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BALDWIN: Go ahead.
YOST: Yeah, sorry. This is the problem, Maria, that the truth is that behind all of this is the fact that the women on "The View" don't like the fact that Carly Fiorina has been staking out a strong pro-life opinion. I'm glad that you and I agree on the fact e we shouldn't be attacking on appearance. But what we see from a conservative perspective is that any time a woman comes out and really stakes out a position as being pro life, she's not allowed to be pro woman. That's what's really going on here on "The View." I don't think it's her other positions.
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BALDWIN: Hang on. Hang on, Ladies. Hang on.
Do you think they would have made the same comments had it been Hillary Clinton, to Charmane's point, or Carly Fiorina's point? To either of you.
CARDONA: No, probably not. I don't think they would have said that about Hillary Clinton. But again, I think that what will happen on Friday is they will start going after her on her policies, as they should have from the get go. Because this is a woman who claims to stand up for women, yet on issues like equal pay for equal work, she's against. She's against raising the money mum wage. And women represent two-thirds of minimum wage workers. So again, I could talk about a whole slew of policies, including a woman's right to choose. A majority of women and majority of Americans in this country agree with a woman's right to choose.
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CARDONA: Those are all fair game. There's a lot there.
YOST: Yes, Hillary Clinton being glamorized and put on the cover of "Vogue" magazine and partying and being held up as this great feminist icon --
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BALDWIN: She's also polling much higher. Let's be fair on that end.
YOST: That is true. Although, I will say, across the board, women do take more hits on their appearance and Hillary Clinton's hair and pantsuits have been a huge --
CARDONA: That's true.
YOST: -- a huge focal point of criticism.
CARDONA: That's exactly right.
YOST: I think, as women, I think we do agree that has to stop.
That's why I'm so disappointed in "The View" for getting down and playing this horrible game that women are constantly subjected to. Here's Carly -- I thought she was doing a fantastic job of creating that presence that as a woman you have to have in the debate, going up on the stage where everyone else is a man. She's doing a great job of projecting that kind of power and authority. And that's really why the women of "The View" are wanting to tear her down.
[15:00:10] BALDWIN: All right, we'll be watching Friday. Maybe we do this again Friday afternoon.
CARDONA: Let's do it.
