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Boy, 9, Killed in Chicago Gun Violence; Clinton Meets Mothers of Children Killed by Gun Violence; Ohio Vote on Controversial Marijuana Law Today; Trump Launches New Book, Talks About Everything. Aired 2:30-3p ET.

Aired November 03, 2015 - 14:30   ET

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[14:32:41] BROOKE BALDWIN, CNN ANCHOR: Just past the bottom of the hour. You're watching CNN. I'm Brooke Baldwin.

A young child, 9 years of age, just the latest victims here of violence that has plagued the streets of Chicago. Police say Tyshawn Lee was shot and killed near his grandmother's home. His body found in an alley, right next to it his basketball. He had been shot multiple times.

CNN's Rosa Flores is live in the neighborhood where he was killed.

How did this happen?

ROSA FLORES, CNN CORRESPONDENT: You know, Brooke, I talked to police within the last hour trying to get the latest details on this. And police tell me that they are following two different theories o what could have happened in this alley. So let me set the scene first and walk you through these two theories. This is where the shooting happened. I'm not going to zoom in to the gory details, but if you walk there are spots of blood, blobs of blood headed towards that street. So here's what police believe happened.

One of two things. This young boy was either walking through this alley to cut through and get to his family's house, which is down this alley here to my right. Police believe one of their theories is that there was an altercation. Three to four adult individuals were in this area. Shots rang out and this little boy was in the wrong place at the wrong tomb. Here is their other theory. They are not saying one or the other is more plausible, but they are saying it is plausible that the individuals lured this boy to this it alley and then shot the boy.

But I got to be clear here. Police are investigating everything. So everything is on the table. There are a lot of detectives that have been here throughout the morning asking people questions to make sure that they get all the answers. I want to finish here because this is a small memorial that's been growing today. What you see there a basketball. This little boy loved basketball.

BALDWIN: Rosa, thank you so much. I want to stay on this in Chicago, because so many mothers know what

his own mom is going through right now. A dozen of them came together. It was a private meeting yesterday with presidential candidate, Hillary Clinton. She met with them for about two hours at a Chicago cafe. Some mothers lost their children to gun violence in Chicago, others in shootings we have talked about here on CNN, some involving police. Among those at this meeting, the mothers of Michael Brown, Tamir Rice, Trayvon Martin. CNN spoke with some of them right after this meeting.

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[14:35:33] SAMARIA RICE, TAMIR RICE'S MOTHER: I felt that she was very sincere. I do feel that she listened. She made a lot of great points. Now we're looking for action.

SYBRINA FULTON, MOTHER OF TRAYVON MARTIN: It was very powerful.

MARIA HAMILTON, MOTHER OF DONTRE HAMILTON: She didn't make any promises. We have literature and language from Hillary Clinton stating what they are planning to do if she's elected for president. But we didn't get anything that was grounded.

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BALDWIN: My next guest was at the meeting with Hillary Clinton. She is Joy McCormack. She lost her son, Frankie Valencia, in 2009. The senior honor student at DePaul University was killed by gang members at a party.

Thank you so much for joining me. My condolences.

I want to get to this meeting with Hillary Clinton just yesterday. Tell me about Frankie.

JOY MCCORMACK, MOTHER OF FRANKIE VALENCIA: Frankie was our hero. He had a big, great smile. He really cared and was passionate about the world around him. He really wanted to make a difference in the world and was on a path to do it. And we, like so many other Americans, thought we were living normal, life within a bubble, living the American dream. E we live in a neighborhood that's considered safe. He was going to a private university at the time that this happened. And we, like so many others, thought this was not a problem that could touch our family, and yet it did.

So we're very much always honoring his life and his legacy, but I just miss him. I miss him a lot. I wish he was still here. I wish I would have had the opportunities to watch his life unfold as he over the weekend we had our sixth angel date. I was in his room reading some of his papers and one of the things that he wrote down is he talked about how he wanted to be a father and he wanted to have children and he wanted to have three children by the time he was 30. Obviously, all of those dreams and goals were taken away from us.

BALDWIN: Here you are linked with these other mothers now having lost your son. They have lost their own. You're in this meeting with Hillary Clinton. You were telling me during the break she sat with you all for just about two plus hours. You have been on the forefront of trying to stop this violence in Chicago. You are the founder and board president of Chicago citizens for change and survivors program. What were you hoping would come out of this meeting with Secretary Clinton?

MCCORMACK: I was really hoping to hear that we had an ally in this fight. That we were going to hear from her that she was committed to these issues, that these were issues that were going to be material to her campaign, and that she really was committed to seeing change come out of all of this loss, because just as I was listening to the piece that you were talking about before I was introduced, an 8-year-old in the streets of Chicago, they have become so normal that we're desensitized to it. I was glad to hear her wanting to sit down and listen to our personal experiences and our ideas.

BALDWIN: How much of this is about listening versus action? We heard one of the mothers who walked out of the same meeting saying there were no grounded promises. What about action? What did you hear?

MCCORMACK: Well, I can really appreciate the fact that she wasn't making false promises, because I have to tell you I have been to places both at the city level, at the state level, at the national level. I have sat in rooms where I shared my personal story over and over again and I have accompanied other parents to do the same. The truth be told, nothing has come out of any of those stories yet. So the fact that she wasn't coming in and telling us I'm promising the five following things today, I actually felt was much more genuine that the false promises made to us in the past. So what she did commit to is being an ally. She committed to listening to us and hearing our ideas about what some potential solutions could be.

[14:40:03] BALDWIN: Since you have been on the forefront of so much of this in Chicago, if you could enact change, something very specific, whether it's guns or something within the city of Chicago tomorrow, what would that be?

MCCORMACK: I would title guns like we title cars. I would make sure that guns actually have stronger accountability. I would really look to see changes so that gun manufacturers and gun shops can be held accountable for the guns. We have to remember that no gun is manufactured illegally. There aren't separate factories. All guns start off legal. And then they end up used in crimes. I think we need to do a better job of tracking what happens to weapons on the streets of our country.

BALDWIN: Joy, thank you so much for joining me. I'm sorry about your son, but good on you for speaking up. Thank you.

MCCORMACK: Thank you so much for having me.

BALDWIN: Coming up next, voters today in Ohio head to the polls to decide whether marijuana should be legal in that state. We'll talk to someone who has fought for marijuana legalization for years and years. He says he's made it his life's work and says this would be a bad idea. Why? We'll ask him. (BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

UNIDENTIFIED CNN CORRESPONDENT: Barbara Massaad has a way in the kitchen. So after a visit to a Syrian refugee camp in Lebanon, the author and photographer knew there was a special recipe she needed to whip up.

BARBARA MASSAAD, AUTHOR & PHOTOGRAPHER: I just have to do something. I didn't know what, but I wanted to get closer to this problem.

UNIDENTIFIED CNN CORRESPONDENT: Lebanon has been overwhelmed with more than a million Syrian refugees. Many live in the Beka Valley Refugee Camp and struggle to provide for their families.

MASSAAD: This whole adventure started when I went up there not knowing I was going to do a cook book. I started taking photographs of the refugees. I have a friend of mine who called me one day you and said you want to cook soup for the refugees. Like in the Americas, they have soup kitchens. And that's what we did.

UNIDENTIFIED CNN CORRESPONDENT: Massaad began collecting recipes from friends to create a cook book called "Soup for Syria." All proceeds go to the U.N. Refugee Agency to help Syrian refugees.

Massaad says her work must continue to support children like this 6- year-old, who has been at this camp for two years.

MASSAAD: I became attached to them. This has been my drive and my motivation to continue the project.

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[14:47:15] BALDWIN: Voters in Ohio head to the polls to make a big decision about marijuana. If they vote yes, Ohio would become the fifth state to allow personal marijuana use, the 23rd to allow medicinal use. Today's vote is much more controversial than the other states because cultivating marijuana would be limited to these 10 preselected pot growing farms represented by big-money celebrity investors. Among them, we're talking reality TV star, Nick Lachey. It's driven a wedge through the pro marijuana coalition. Opponents say it would create a legal monopoly. My lawyer friend points out, really, it would be an oligarchy.

We're going to get into that. Here now, Ohio resident, Donald Wirtshafter, who opposes to the measure, even though he favors legalizing marijuana. Also with me is CNN legal analyst, Paul Callan.

Let's talk about this.

Donald, first to you.

I read about you in the paper. How you have been smoking pot for 47 years and fighting to legalize it for your whole life. Yet today, you voted against it. Why?

DONALD WIRTSHAFTER, OPPOSES OHIO POT LEGISLATION: I think this Issue 3 was a sucker move. Do Ohioans want marijuana reform so badly that they are willing to give up all their rights to these corporations whose owners we have no idea who they are. You talk about the celebrities fronting these organizations. We want to know who the real people that own them are. Where the real money is behind these and who is in control. This is just too much greed in this initiate. I'm for the people of Ohio to accept it. We had a bad experience doing monopoly for casinos and they are not willing to repeat the problems we had with casinos trying to come up with a way to regulate marijuana. So --

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BALDWIN: So it's about corporate and greed even though you can smoke the stuff legally finally in your home state?

WIRTSHAFTER: Sure. If you want to go to the store and buy their marijuana, that would be legal under Issue 3. But trying to be on the streets with your home grown or medical could be quite a problem for you. It's a little bit toward reform, but it doesn't really legalize the plant, only their production of the plant.

BALDWIN: Let me hit pause.

Paul, I want to turn to you. This is not as cut and dry as legalizing marijuana. In Ohio, on the ballot Issue 2, Issue 3. Explain them.

PAUL CALLAN, CNN LEGAL ANALYST: There are several things that are unusual about this ballot initiative. First of all, they are using a constitutional amendment to legalize production both medical and recreational. The standard we have seen is medical first, and later on recreational.

[14:50:07] BALDWIN: This would be a first, yes.

CALLAN: But then we have this odd thing that the constitutional amendment says only 10 farms can produce all of the marijuana, although you can grow your own. And you have 25 investors who have put millions of dollars into those 10 farms.

BALDWIN: That's the oligarchy.

CALLAN: The oligarchy. You have a bunch of rich people controlling production here of a limited commodity.

People were so angry about this, feeling it was really sort of a naked attempt for rich people to control the market, that item 2 was put on the referendum, another constitutional amendment, which essentially says what 3 says is illegal. So in other words, if you vote for 2, you're voting for a constitutional amendment that says you can't have a structure like 3. So what happens if both are adopted by voters?

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BALDWIN: Which is a possibility.

CALLAN: It's a very real possibility because people don't read this stuff any way and somebody is going to check off the marijuana box.

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BALDWIN: So now what happens?

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BALDWIN: That's my question to you right now.

CALLAN: I've been looking into how it's been handled in other states. I have seen a couple of instances where the initiative that got the most votes is the one that prevails if they are contradictory or the other alternative is the courts could throw out both results if there's an inconsistence in the amendment.

BALDWIN: Here's one of the quotes from the other side. This is a political consultant. He's the one garnering a lot of these signatures for ballot initiative initiatives. Quote, "We have taken this from the tie dye to the suit and tie approach. There is no question about that. Right, wrong or indifferent, this is the way legalization is moving in this country right now."

Let's say this goes through. It's legalized. Maybe even both go through. We don't know. What happens next, especially among your crowd?

WIRTSHAFTER: Prohibition is over. "Reefer Madness" is gone. The questions now are about how we're going to reform this, how we're going to provide this to medical patients in a reasonable, consistent way, how we can open this up for adult use without having the roof fall in. We're seeing it in Colorado, Washington, Alaska and Oregon that this could be very well done. Colorado is already getting twice the amount of taxes in cannabis consumption than they do from alcohol consumption. And the governor, who is dead set against, it is now a fan of this it reform. You can do this in Ohio. We just can't do it with this initiative.

BALDWIN: Political repercussions, battle ground state. John Kasich, the governor, wants to be president. He is against Issue 3. There are lots of ramifications here. I can go on. We'll see how it goes.

Donald Wirtshafter, thank you so much.

Paul Callan, thank you as well.

To be continued in Ohio.

Next, Donald Trump launching his book tour in New York City. Also at the podium, slamming his opponent ripping everyone from Hillary Clinton to Marco Rubio. But he did have some kindish words for Jeb Bush.

We'll be right back. (COMMERCIAL BREAK)

[14:57:42] BALDWIN: There's a company that could power the world for 65 billion years. Nuclear fusion may be the silver-bullet energy solution, but making it work is a nearly impossible task.

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ELON MUSK, OWNER TESLA & SPACEX: The biggest problem I would face this century is sustainable energy production and consumption. We have to make electricity in a sustainable way. We need to solve that or there will be huge economic collapse towards the end of the century.

UNIDENTIFIED CNN CORRESPONDENT: The word nuclear is associated with dangerous things, weapons, meltdowns, terrorism. But there's a good side to nuclear too. General fusion is one of dozens of companies going after the silver bullet energy solution. But the odds are not in their favor. For nearly a century, scientists have tried and failed to capture what they call lightning in a bottle.

(on camera): Why is nuclear fusion the answer to the energy crisis?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This would produce energy for the whole planet. It is a source of energy that produces almost no pollution and a source of the fuel is limitless. If you extract from the ocean, you have energy to run the planet for billions of years. You crack that, you have it done.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We're going to have abundant energy to change the dynamics of poverty and fossil fuels. It will change humanity forever.

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BALDWIN: You're watching CNN. I'm Brooke Baldwin. Great to be with you on CNN. Hour two of CNN.

We begin with Donald Trump. He has a new book out today. And new lines of attack. For 35 minutes, he talked about everything and anything.

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DONALD TRUMP, (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE & CEO, TRUMP ORGANIZATION: Every country, no matter what country you talk about, you could just pick a name out of a hat, they are beating us in trade.

I think I'm going to win the Hispanic vote. I predict I think I'm going to get the nomination and I will win the White House. I think beating Hillary Clinton is going to be easy because her record is so bad.

Do I think it's time to have some of the other Republican candidates drop out? Yes. There are too many people. Marco doesn't show up to the United States Senate. He's representing the people of Florida. Which, by the way, that poll just came out today and I'm way up in Florida.