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Illinois Officer Likely Killed Himself; Trump Officially Files for Primary; Young Evangelicals Accept Homosexuality; Jon Stewart's Next Act. Aired 10:30-11a ET

Aired November 04, 2015 - 10:30   ET

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[10:29:49] CAROL COSTELLO, CNN ANCHOR: And good morning. I'm Carol Costello. Thank you so much for joining me.

In just about 30 minutes, officials in Fox Lake, Illinois, will hold a news conference where they're expected to announce that a Lt. Joe Gliniewicz whose death earlier this year triggered a massive manhunt actually committed suicide and was not killed in the line of duty. That's the conclusion the Gliniewicz wife said earlier she doesn't believe.

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MELODIE GLINIEWICZ, WIFE OF LT. JOE GLINIEWICZ: I wholeheartedly believe he was murdered.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And to say otherwise?

GLINIEWICZ: Is disrespectful, hurtful, irresponsible.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: When the coroner said maybe it's a suicide, how did you take that?

GLINIEWICZ: There was a lot of anger.

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COSTELLO: Well, let's talk about this. I'm joined by clinical psychologist Gail Saltz. Dr. Gail -- thanks for coming in.

DR. GAIL SALTZ, CLINICAL PSYCHOLOGIST: My pleasure.

COSTELLO: So it seems strange to me that a man might take his own life wearing a bulletproof vest. And before the gunshots rang out, he called back and said there were three men chasing him down an alley.

SALTZ: Well, obviously, only he can know what was in his mind. And so we don't. However, many people who are extremely depressed, who are contemplating suicide but who don't want to be remembered by their family that way, who want to leave a legacy of the way their life was, which you know, if you are law enforcement is probably really is heroic. And who feel shame at the idea that they're depressed or they can't make themselves better or that they're thinking of taking their lives. COSTELLO: Well, and there's -- the other factor is if an officer

commits suicide, his widow loses all benefits.

SALTZ: Correct, correct. So it has certainly occurred in the past, let's say, that people have taken their lives and tried to make it look like something else happened for life insurance policies or the protection of their family, et cetera.

COSTELLO: Dr. Gail Saltz, thanks for stopping by.

I'm going to take our viewers live to New Hampshire now because as you know, it's sign-in day for the candidates. Donald Trump has arrived, and he will officially sign on the dotted line, announcing his candidacy in the state of New Hampshire. It costs $1,000 to do that.

And as you can see, he had supporters out there waiting for him to arrive. And it looks like that's his black car behind him. Let's listen.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Mr. Trump why is it so important to be first on the Republican side to register?

DONALD TRUMP (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I don't think it's necessarily important. We just have a great turnout. We picked a very beautiful day. So in that respect we're very lucky. I'll see you inside.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: -- think your message is nothing but mean and hateful. What do you say to him?

TRUMP: I don't know, does he register in the polls? He's at zero.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Mr. Trump.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It seems you have an issue with --

TRUMP: You really have to look at his record. His record is terrible. His record is absolutely terrible. His record on finance, his record on amnesty -- he's for allowing illegals to pour into the country. I mean he's really got a bad record. I think when you look at a record, nobody's going to want --

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: There's a brand-new poll here that shows Marco Rubio doing much, much better. What do you say to that?

TRUMP: All I know is, I'm number one. That's all I know.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: What about his finances?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Nice to meet you.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Do you think his finances are an issue? TRUMP: I do. I think they're a big issue. They've been an

issue for years in Florida. And he was told to put the money back, and he put the money back. Other people aren't told to put the money back. They end up someplace else.

Here you go. Whose baseball is this? See? That's when I was young. Beautiful. We try not to.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Mr. --

TRUMP: Thank you, everybody. Amazing. This is amazing. Thank you, darling. Come here. Let me sign that for you.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Are you going to meet Phil Gardner?

TRUMP: I am.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You think you're going to be able to foot the thousand bucks you need to file?

TRUMP: I think we'll work it out. I do. I do believe.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Are you going to sign?

TRUMP: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Thank you, Mr. Trump.

TRUMP: Let's walk up there. We don't want to keep the people waiting. Ok, honey, thanks.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Mr. Trump --

TRUMP: Thank you, everybody.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Mr. Trump --

COSTELLO: All right. We're going to jump out of this, but that's Donald Trump going in to sign on the dotted line to, you know, make it official that he's a candidate for president of the -- in the Republican primary in the state of New Hampshire.

I admire Dana Bash for keeping up with him. I've got to take a break. I'll be back with much more in the NEWSROOM.

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[10:38:48] COSTELLO: All right. I want to take you back to New Hampshire where, as you can see, Donald Trump is behind a podium speaking into the microphone. So let's listen.

TRUMP: Come on up here, everybody. Come on. Get my people up here. Don't worry about the press. Don't worry about the press. Come on up. Circle us. Circle us. Any questions, please?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Marco Rubio said on his finances that he didn't do anything wrong and he's going to release them to prove that.

TRUMP: Marco Rubio has a disaster on his finances. He has a disaster on his credit cards. When you check his credit cards, take a look at what he's done with the Republican Party when he had access, what he had to put back in, and whether or not something should have happened. You'll understand it.

Marco Rubio has a basic disaster on finance. So let's see what you find. Let's see what kind of a reporter you are. Ok? Good luck. It won't be -- it won't be hard. It won't be hard.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Mr. Trump, can I just follow up on that?

TRUMP: Yes, go ahead. Nice, easy question, David. Go ahead. I know David so well.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Mr. Trump, last night we had a marijuana initiative go down in flames in Ohio. We had an outsider conservative win the governor's chair in Kentucky and we had --

[10:40:04] TRUMP: -- which they said was largely due to the Trump phenomenon. You saw that. No, they said it. They said it. On another network -- they said it.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Sanctuary favoring sheriff bounced out of his job in San Francisco.

TRUMP: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Do you credit for this, and does this bode well for you?

TRUMP: Well, I will say a lot of good things are happening. Now, if you look at Ohio, and we have somebody running that happens to be from Ohio, even though I'm beating him in the polls, he had a total monopoly. They had one company with a total monopoly on marijuana and the profits. How dumb is that? And that's probably why it failed. But how dumb is that?

One company had a monopoly on the whole thing, and they were going to make a fortune. And I think that's one of the reasons it failed. But I was happy to see that. I think it was a good result.

I loved what happened in Kentucky. And he's a good guy. And they gave me a lot of credit for that one. I don't deserve the credit, but there is something happening, folks. I will tell you. There is something happening.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Mr. Trump, you're on top of the polls --

TRUMP: And we sent you those numbers. I sent you some nice numbers. Ok.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You are on top of the polls here in New Hampshire but not in Iowa. What is going on in Iowa? TRUMP: Well, you haven't read the polls in Iowa, obviously. I'm

not surprised. Yesterday's poll came out, and I was -- two polls -- I'm now on top in Iowa, too. Two polls. Two polls came out. And now I'm leading Iowa again. So we're happy with it.

I think we're going to do great in New Hampshire. I think New Hampshire -- we had a tremendous poll a couple of days ago. It was 32 percent versus -- what was it, 12 percent or something? We were way up in New Hampshire. So we're very happy with the New Hampshire -- and you know what?

I love the people of New Hampshire. They're just incredible people. When you get a crowd like this that I didn't really know about, this is beautiful. I came here to file because I feel you have to come here to file. And you have this many people show up on a morning. And most of these people are working. I know that.

These are hard -- as they say, these are hard workers. You're not allowed to use that expression. These are hard workers. Ok. I mean, when we get to a point where you can't use the term hard worker, this country is in big trouble, folks, I want to tell you.

COSTELLO: All right. We're going to break away, but you can see Donald Trump in New Hampshire waiting to go inside a state building there to sign on the dotted line announcing his candidacy in the state of New Hampshire.

He mentioned Marco Rubio using a credit card, a credit card that belonged to the Republican Party in Florida. And I just want to address that so you know what he was talking about.

Apparently while Marco Rubio was running for the senate in Florida, he charged some personal expenses to the Republican Party's credit card. And Marco Rubio did address that this morning on "Good Morning America". He said that he charged -- he did charge some personal expenses on that credit card, and he also charged, quote, "company charges" on that credit card. But he did pay all of the personal expenses back, and he's fixed whatever was thought was wrong.

But, of course, we'll be following that more throughout the day on CNN. But I just wanted you to know what Donald Trump was talking about there.

All right. Let's talk about evangelicals. Progressive? Those two words aren't normally in the same sentence, but on one issue, evangelicals are evolving. The issue I'm talking about is homosexuality. A new Pew research study shows half of all young evangelicals say homosexuality should be accepted by society.

Interesting if you consider how Mike Huckabee, an evangelical, is campaigning for president. That's him, hosting a rally for Kim Davis, the Kentucky clerk who chose to go to jail rather than issue marriage licenses to same-sex couples.

Ted Cruz was also there in a show of support. Both men are running far behind the front-runners in the Republican primary race. Are they falling out of step with young evangelicals? Is that part of the reason why?

With me now, Matthew Vines author of "God and the Gay Christians: The biblical case in support of same-sex relationships". Welcome.

MATTHEW VINES, AUTHOR: Good to be with you.

COSTELLO: You call this Pew study a milestone. Why?

VINES: We have been seeing a shift among younger evangelicals for the last decade in terms of greater openness and acceptance. But this is the first time that we've seen a majority of young evangelicals in the United States say that they think that same-sex relationships should be accepted.

There's still a long way to go to get to a place of full acceptance among evangelicals, but that is the future. That is where the evangelical church is headed, and the numbers are going in only one direction.

COSTELLO: There is a caveat to that, though. While most millennials accept homosexuality, slightly less than a majority accept same-sex marriage. Isn't that an important distinction?

[10:45:07] VINES: Well, depending on how you phrase it the numbers will vary slightly. But all of the numbers have been going up. So in the Pew poll yesterday, it said about 45 percent of evangelicals supported same-sex marriage, which is up from about 40 percent a few years ago.

There are still some people who, you know, make distinctions between they accept but may not completely support, but I think on the whole, the trajectory is certainly a positive one.

COSTELLO: Ok. So I'll ask you a very political question. Why are so many evangelicals embracing Ben Carson over Mike Huckabee and Ted Cruz?

Well, I'm not sure that -- I'm not sure how much that has to do specifically with the issue of same-sex relationships. Evangelicals have been pretty tied to the Republican Party since the 1970s and 1980s in a lot of ways that haven't been great for the church's witness and the church's mission in the world.

That isn't something that's going to change overnight. Neither is the significant opposition that still remains in evangelical churches to same-sex marriage. What I'm wanting to do through the work that I'm doing and my engagement efforts is help to lay the groundwork for that to change eventually, even though it won't change overnight.

COSTELLO: Do you consider yourself a Republican?

VINES: I am pretty apolitical when it comes to the work that I'm doing because evangelicals, even though most evangelicals in America do identify as Republicans, there have always been a number of evangelicals who have been Democrats as well. And so, in the church that I grew up in nobody made their political affiliation the number one issue. The number one issue was your relationship with god, your relationship with Jesus. And people can be Democrats, they can be Republicans, they can be independents.

Heck, they can live in other countries where they have entirely different political systems and parties. But what I want to be focusing on with Christians is because we believe in Jesus, because we believe in the bible, we should be looking to the core values of scripture, the dew point toward greater inclusion and greater justice for marginalized groups like the LGBT community.

COSTELLO: All right. Matthew Vines, thanks for being with me this morning.

VINES: Thanks for having me.

COSTELLO: You're welcome. Still to come in the NEWSROOM, the vacation is over for Jon Stewart. The new destination for "The Daily Show" alum, next.

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[10:51:50] COSTELLO: Just when we thought we could get through this election season without Jon Stewart, the comedian is striking a new deal with HBO. But he's not quite making his comeback in the way you might think.

Brian Stelter is here to explain. Good morning --

BRIAN STELTER, CNN SENIOR MEDIA CORRESPONDENT: Good morning. Yes, he's not coming back to television per se. He's coming on to the Internet in this deal with HBO. It's almost like he's trading the predictability of an every single night daily show for the flexibility of the Internet instead.

We can show what he said in his statement about this new HBO deal. He said that appearing on television 22 minutes a night nearly broke me. But he went on to say I'm pretty sure I can produce a few minutes of content every now and then.

So what's he going to be doing, Carol? He's going to be making basically web videos. He could do these from home if he wants to. He'll come up with the ideas about current events. He'll weigh in on the political nonsense of the election season, then he'll narrate it, he'll record the audio and a graphics company will animate it.

So they'll create basically animated web videos with Jon Stewart's opinions.

COSTELLO: That's kind of cool.

STELTER: Yes. It's kind of hard to imagine until he actually does it.

COSTELLO: I'd like to do that myself, Brian Stelter. STELTER: It is an innovative deal. You know, he's conquered TV.

Now he wants to conquer the web. We'll see this early next year, but it's a four-year deal with HBO which like CNN is owned Time Warner. HBO could do other things with Stewart. They could work on movies together, they could work on TV shows, but they're going to start with web videos.

COSTELLO: HBO is doing a lot of interesting things.

STELTER: When you think about the talent they've acquired this year. Bill Simmons from ESPN, he also did a deal for "Sesame Street", for new episodes of "Sesame Street". And of course John Oliver's show, a "Daily Show" alumni -- John Oliver has been doing quite as well there as well.

HBO is trying to gain subscribers online as well as through cable, they're going out and hiring these a-list stars hoping that people like Jon Stewart will appeal to online viewers who want to watch him on demand. So you might not see Stewart on TV but you'll watch him on demand instead.

COSTELLO: Brian Stelter -- thanks so much. I appreciate it.

STELTER: Thanks.

COSTELLO: I'll be right back.

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[10:57:47] COSTELLO: Checking some top stories at 57 minutes past.

An erupting volcano is causing a travel nightmare in Bali. The volcano is spreading a cloud of ash in the direction of a popular tourist spot posing a danger for all aircraft. Hundreds of flights now have been canceled.

The Kentucky court clerk who refused to issue same-sex marriage licenses is appealing. Attorneys for Kim Davis want four rulings reversed including the original injunction for her to issue same-sex marriage licenses and the order holding her in contempt of court. Davis, of course, is the clerk in Rowan County, Kentucky. She spent several days in jail for refusing to follow the law.

The wife of the late comedian Robin Williams is speaking out for the first time since his death. Susan Williams was on "Good Morning America" describing the day before Robin Williams took his life.

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SUSAN WILLIAMS, ROBIN WILLIAMS' WIDOW: It was the perfect day. We just did what we loved to do together. And I know now that he gave me that perfect day. He gave us that perfect day.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He planned it.

WILLIAMS: In hindsight, he knew what he was doing.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

COSTELLO: Susan Williams says that despite what most people think, her husband's struggles with alcohol, drug addiction and depression did not play a role in his death. She says what drove Robin Williams to suicide was his battle with Louie Body dementia which affects memory, movement and mood.

The E. coli outbreak in Oregon and Washington State is spreading. There are now more than three dozen confirmed cases, many of those affected say they became sick after eating at a Chipotle Mexican grill. The popular chain temporarily closed 43 of its restaurants while health officials investigate.

Police say a 65-year-old man is robbing banks in Washington State because he wants to be arrested. Police say the man is losing his home and wants a place to stay -- that would be jail. He's carried out a string of robber, sometimes only asking for a dollar. After his latest hit this week, he stood outside the bank waiting for officers to take him to prison. Oh.

Thank you so much for joining me today. I'm Carol Costello.

"AT THIS HOUR" with Berman and Bolduan starts now.

[11:00:03] JOHN BERMAN, CNN HOST: Hello everyone, I'm John Berman.

KATE BOLDUAN, CNN HOST: Hi, everyone. I'm Kate Bolduan.

Breaking news at this hour. We're awaiting official word out of Illinois right now about the mysterious circumstances surrounding the death of an Illinois police lieutenant. Joe Gliniewicz --