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Istanbul Terror Attack Investigation; Post-Brexit Political Upheaval; Turkish Police Arrest 22 In Anti-Terror Raids; Source: Terrorists Rented Istanbul Apartment; Turkey: Suspects From Russia, Kyrgyzstan, Uzbekistan; Corbyn's Comments Under Fire; Trump: I'll Renegotiate Trade Deals With Mexico; Los Angeles Bidding For 2024 Summer Olympics; Bill Clinton's Meeting With Attorney General Criticized; Boris Johnson Won't Run for Prime Minister; Cornwall Wants to Keep its E.U. Subsidies; Airport Bombers' Ties to ISIS. Aired 1-2a ET

Aired July 01, 2016 - 01:00   ET

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[01:00:13] HALA GORANI, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Good morning. I'm Hala Gorani where new details and new pictures are emerging about the airport attackers and their possible connection to ISIS.

JOHN VAUSE, CNN ANCHOR: I'm John Vause at number 10 Downing Street. It's been almost a week since David Cameron announced right here that he would step down after losing that Brexit vote. This morning, it's the Conservative Party reeling from a political shocker.

AMARA WALKER, CNN ANCHOR: And I'm Amara Walker in Los Angeles. Later this hour, I'm going to sit down with the city's former mayor, Antonio Villaraigosa, for his take on Donald Trump's latest comments about Mexican immigrants and trade. We want to welcome our viewers in the United States and around the world, and this is CNN.

GORANI: This is not going to work out. (technical difficulties) a few technical problems. All right, am I on? Apologies, just a few technical problems. It's the beauty of live television sometimes, but just updating you on our latest storylines here out of Turkey. Sources are telling us they believe ISIS leadership was directly involved in the triple suicide bombing on Tuesday evening here at Ataturk International Airport, and he death toll sadly has picked up by one. We now stand at 44 people killed. Investigators have been showing a picture believed to be of the three suicide bombers to residents of one neighborhood where they rented an apartment, and officials say the men came from Raqqah, which is the capital of that self-declared caliphate inside of Syria. And police have been conducting extensive raids, not just in Istanbul but in the coastal city of Izmir as well. In total, 22 people have been detained and are being questioned. Our senior international correspondent, Nima Elbagir, joins me in Istanbul. You had an opportunity to go to one of those flats, one of those apartments where the raids were conducted, where we believe the suspects resided for about a month.

NIMA ELBAGIR, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Yes. We understand that they were there for about a month and a lot of the neighbors tell us that they sensed something was wrong. One woman talked about this incredibly strong chemical smell that was permeating the entire building. Take a look at what else we learned, Hala.

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ELBAGIR: This is a pretty typical street in the conservative (inaudible) district of Istanbul, but the estate agent who manages this property told us that he was brought in by police to confirm that the men that they showed him on CCTV footage, that they had rented this property from him.

Up just one flight of stairs, this is it. This is where Turkish authorities have told us they believe the three attackers holed up for a month. The attackers, they say, came directly from Raqqah, and all evidence that Turkish authorities currently have in their possession points towards the ISIS leadership's direct involvement in the planning, the commissioning, and the execution of the attack on Ataturk airport.

We've been walking around the neighborhood trying to discover what, if anything, anyone saw, and this garage, his garage is directly overlooked by the flat rented by the attackers. He's agreed to speak with us.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE (via translator): Sometimes I would see them when they opened the window to smoke and to get some fresh air, but they never opened the curtains. We have been anxious as locals here, since the growing number of foreigners moving into this neighborhood, but of course, you can never ask, who are you? to someone. It's not our duty. There are police and other officials in this country who should be dealing with it.

ELBAGIR: People here are feeling worried, they're feeling tense, and understandably, very few of the neighbors in this building agreed to speak on camera, but one woman described to us, on Sunday, two days before the attack was launched, smelling something chemical, a strong chemical smell emanating from the flat rented by the attackers that she said filled the entire building.

It was down this street that the attackers walk towards the neighborhood square. Turkish security sources say it's here that the men flagged down the taxi that would take them on that fatal trip to Ataturk Airport where horror would soon unfold. Today, in the very same square, life seems almost eerily normal.

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ELBAGIR: And this is precisely, as you know, what so many intelligence agencies have been concerned about, that as ISIS lost its territorial holds in Iraq and Syria, that they seek other ways to extend that influence.

[01:05:09] GORANI: Right. It appears, perhaps, as if they've succeeded in doing that in this case. Thanks very much, Nima Elbagir. And for more on these suspects and their apparent origins in the former Soviet Union, we're joined by former CNN Moscow bureau chief, Jill Dougherty. She's an advisory counsel of the Kennan Institute in Washington. So Jill, let's talk about this. Potentially, the three suspects from

Uzbekistan, Dagestan, that region of Russia, as well, and Kyrgyzstan. Talk about the significance of that.

JILL DOUGHERTY, ADVISORY COUNSEL, KENNAN INSTITUTE: Well, think of the Soviet Union, as it was collapsing, there were a lot of groups, of course, these countries -- these were republics in the Soviet Union then becoming countries, and they were Islamic. They were Muslim areas. And in the beginning, going back into, let's say, the 2000's, early 2000's, and even before that, there was a lot of -- these groups were basically in opposition to the local governments, to the Uzbek government, to the Kyrgyz government, et cetera, and then of course (inaudible) in Dagestan. And then, as terrorism metastasizes, spreading around the world, they became part of the bigger picture, and that appears to be what's happening now, that these groups, these men, apparently became part of ISIS and that's kind of the big fish in the pond, identifying themselves with that, and then going to Syria to fight. That's the locus of all of this. Fighting in Syria, of course, on the side of ISIS. Hala --

GORANI: Yes. And talk to us about numbers here, potentially. Do we know more or less in terms of these ex-soviet republics, how many recruits ISIS is able to attract from that part of the world?

DOUGHERTY: (inaudible) estimates that there are about 3,000 fighters who have come from Russia, a lot of them from Chechnya and from Dagestan, 3,000 from Russia, and then there's an estimated another maybe 4,000 who have come from Central Asia, so you're looking at probably a total of about 7,000, give or take, nobody really knows. And don't forget, around the period of the Russian Olympics in Sochi, they also really crack down on terrorists and basically kicked them out of that area if they didn't kill them, made it clear that they were to get out of Russia, and so some of them moved over into the Middle East, and then, of course, as Syria picked up, that is where they headed. And they're quite brutal. They're good fighters, because a lot of them have been fighting for a very long time.

GORANI: All right, Jill Dougherty. Thanks very much for your analysis. All right, let's head to London now where there's a lot of post-Brexit political drama to go over. John Vause --

VAUSE: Yes, to say the least, Hala. The race is now on within the Conservative Party to replace David Cameron. Former London mayor and leave campaigner, Boris Johnson, shocked supporters by saying he doesn't want the job. He was considered to be the leading candidate. There are five Conservatives competing now. The frontrunners are Justice Secretary, Michael Gove, and Home Secretary, Theresa May. Meanwhile, the embattled Labour Party leader has caused an outrage here and abroad. Jeremy Corbyn is being accused of making anti- Semitic remarks by comparing Israel to ISIS. Isa Soares has more.

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ISA SOARES, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Jeremy Corbyn has been losing support from members of his own party all this week, and now he really risks losing the support of the Jewish community too. Speaking at the launch of an inquiry into anti-Semitism within his own party, he compared Israel to ISIS. Take a listen.

JEREMY CORBYN, LEADER, LABOUR PARTY: Our Jewish friends are no more responsible for the actions of Israel or the Netanyahu government than our Muslim friends are for those various self-styled Islamic State --

SOARES: Also attending that conference was Ruth Smeeth, who is a Labour MP who's also Jewish. And until today, at least, a Corbyn supporter. She was left in a state of shock by what she had to hear. Not only that, she was also verbally assaulted by a grassroots movement who supports Jeremy Corbyn. They accused of being racist, of colluding with the media to get Corbyn out. We have been in contact with Ruth and this is what she had to say. No one from the leader's office has contacted me since the event, which in itself is a catastrophic failure of leadership, she says. I call on Jeremy Corbyn to resign immediately, and make way for someone with the backbone to confront racism and anti-Semitism in our party and in the country.

[01:10:01] Some in the Jewish community have also reacted to those remarks, calling them offensive and inflammatory.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Jeremy Corbyn clearly made an offensive and inappropriate comparison. He says it wasn't a parallel. But to talk about Jews and Israel and then to talk about Muslims and Islamic State was a comparison, no doubt about it. Whether he thought about it is a different question. One can only hope that he hadn't thought about it, because had he thought about it, he would have realized how inappropriate and offensive it was.

SOARES: In Israel, too, the reaction has been one of disgust, with some saying that this proves that Jeremy Corbyn has no moral authority and should step down. Isa Soares, CNN, London.

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VAUSE: And Amara, despite all the controversy surrounding Jeremy Corbyn right now, there is still no clear leader within the Labour Parliamentary Party to take his place.

WALKER: All right, John. Thank you for that. We're going to turn now to the West Bank where a 13-year-old girl was stabbed to death while she slept here in her bedroom. Here's a picture of that. Israel says, guards entered the home and found the suspect still inside. They fatally shot a 17-year-old Palestinian. The victim, Hallel Yaffa Ariel was an eighth grader. She had dual American- Israeli citizenship. Both the U.S. and Israel have condemned her murder. Hundreds attended Ariel's funeral on Thursday. That took place in Hebron in the West Bank where tensions between Israelis and Palestinians have been pretty high for many years.

We're going to take a short break here. When we return, Donald Trump is promising to renegotiate trade deals with Mexico, and you'll hear how the Donald joked about Mexican planes, quote, getting ready to attack the U.S. Also, we'll tell you how an impromptu meeting between Bill Clinton and the U.S. Attorney General is leading to cries of conflict of interest.

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MICHAEL HOLMES, CNN ANCHOR: Hello, everyone. I'm Michael Holmes and this is your ROAD TO RIO update. First, a grim discovery in the host city. Body parts washed up on the shores of (ph) Copacabana Beach, just meters from where the beach volley ball athletes will compete in the coming games. Police still investigating. They don't yet know the circumstances of the person's death, but they believe the victim was either a woman or a young adult.

In sports developments, Michael Phelps headed to his fifth Olympics. He is the most decorated Olympian of all time. Phelps qualifying by winning the 200 meter butterfly and is now the first man to make a fifth U.S. Olympic swim team. Phelps has a total of 22 Olympic medals, 18 of them gold.

Korean swimmer and Olympic medalist, Park Tae Hwan, has filed an appeal with the national officials in hopes of being able to compete in this year's games. Park has already served an 18 month ban for having excessive amounts of testosterone in his system, but South Korea's tough anti-doping policy prohibits athletes from competing on the national team for an additional 3 years.

[01:15:05] Don't have your tickets for the Olympics yet? You're in luck. Rio 2016 has opened two more box offices in the city, a total now of four, and they're offering a 20 percent discount for some events. That is your ROAD TO RIO update. I'm Michael Holmes.

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WALKER: Donald Trump taking a jab at Mexico once again. The presumptive Republican U.S. presidential nominee was on the campaign trail in New Hampshire slamming free trade deals and then listing U.S. manufacturing jobs that have moved to China and Mexico. And then a plane flew overhead, and this --

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DONALD TRUMP (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I respect Mexico, I respect their leaders. What they've done to us is incredible. Their leaders are so much smarter, so much sharper, and it's incredible. In fact, that could be a Mexican plane up there. They're getting ready to attack.

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WALKER: Joining me now is the former Mayor of Los Angeles, Antonio Villaraigosa. Really appreciate you taking the time to come in, thank you.

ANTONIO VILLARAIGOSA, FORMER MAYOR OF LOS ANGELES: It's great to be here.

WALKER: Got to get your reaction to what Trump had to say. I mean, you started an anti-Trump PAC last year. You are Mexican-American. I'm just curious to know how you take this, even though it was supposed to be a joke. VILLARAIGOSA: Well, actually a third generation American. So my grandpa came here from Mexico 100 years ago, and as an American, you can't help but be embarrassed by the things he says. There's a thing they talk about when they go to another country, Mexico, for instance, and they'll talk about Montezuma's revenge, which is diarrhea, and he clearly has diarrhea of the mouth. This is a man who can't help himself. To have said that, what he said, particularly after the attack in Turkey, Orlando, is pretty reprehensible. But he doesn't seem to be able to help himself. He says whatever comes into his head and it goes right out of his mouth, and most of the time, it even makes no sense, and I think they've documented the 75 percent of the things that come out of his mouth are either a lie or a misrepresentation of facts. So it's just another one of his Trumpisms, right?

WALKER: You brought up the Istanbul attack, and obviously the country's still reeling from that, but I think a lot of countries around the world, local governments are also reassessing their security at airports, what have you, but when you look at Los Angeles, the greater Los Angeles area, is the city adequately prepared when it comes to threats from ISIS, and particularly soft targets like airports?

VILLARAIGOSA: We have the second largest anti-terrorism unit in the LAPD in the United States. We have a fusion center which looks at these kinds of threats. We have the largest airport police department in the United States. I can tell you, we're focused like a laser beam. The new mayor -- well, he's been there now a few years now -- is focused on it. Chief (ph) Beck is thinking about it every single day. And I can tell you, that's what I did when I was mayor. And I was in Paris just last week -- or just this week, a few days ago, and I can tell you that most of the airports are beefing up security. I think we all have to. This is just a new world. And we have to be prepared. Now, when it comes to soft targets, you can't completely insulate yourself. We do want to be a country where people can move around from place to place, but there's no question, we're on a heightened focus in terms of protecting the public.

WALKER: Yes. And you say, L.A. overall, it seems like it's pretty well prepared. I'm thinking about the Olympics, because of course, Los Angeles is bidding for the 2024 games. What do you think are the prospects?

VILLARAIGOSA: Well, we worked hard a few years ago to bring the games to Los Angeles for 2016. We're making the effort again. I think building on that effort, led by Casey Wasserman, (ph) a great Angelino, a great group of people, the mayor and others -- I can tell you that my sense is, we've got as great a shot as anybody. Yes, I know there are great cities seeking the bid. Paris, Rome, and Budapest, but I'm putting my money on L.A.

[01:19:53] WALKER: I have to ask you about the Senate race here in California to replace for retiring Senator Barbara Boxer's seat. You have a Democratic candidate versus a Democratic candidate. This is unprecedented. But it makes you wonder what in the world went wrong for the Republican Party here in California. VILLARAIGOSA: Both good candidates. I have a relationship with both of them. I haven't weighed in at this point. I do have respect for both candidates. I think it's going to be an interesting race, but right now, you have to say that this is what's going to happen with this new primary system. People are going to get for the people that they think are the best candidate, and increasingly, in this state, they think the top two candidates should be Democrat. In no small part, because the Republicans have gone farther and farther to right in a state that's very, very diverse.

WALKER: So what does this mean for the future of the Republican Party? The state of it and the future of the Republican Party here in this state?

VILLARAIGOSA: Well, my hope is -- because I'm a big believer in the two party system. My hope is that they'll recalibrate and realize that there's a middle that's open to both parties. But as long as they continue to go so far to the right that they kind of go off the end of the earth, if we were flat, this state is just not going to support them. I think that Hillary will win big in California, and in no small part because the Republican Party just hasn't filled candidates who are willing to take on their dogmatism, whether it's the issue of a woman's right to choose, whether it's on immigration, whatever the issue, they've gone pretty far beyond where the center of California is today.

WALKER: Former Los Angeles mayor, Antonio Villaraigosa. Really appreciate you coming in. Thank you for your perspective.

VILLARAIGOSA: Thanks for having me.

WALKER: The U.S. Attorney General is facing criticism after she met with Bill Clinton. Loretta Lynch says she spoke briefly with the former president on Monday after they realized they were on the same airport tarmac. Some Democrats and Republicans are calling the meeting a conflict of interest. Lynch is overseeing the ongoing investigation to Hillary Clinton's private e-mail server.

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TRUMP: You see a thing like this and, even in terms of judgment, how bad a judgment is it for him or for her to do this? I mean, who would do this?

SEN. CHRIS COONS (D), DELAWARE: She has generally shown excellent judgment and strong leadership of the department, and I'm convinced that she is an independent attorney general. But I do think that this meeting sends the wrong signal and I don't think it sends the right signal. I think she should have steered clear, even of a brief, casual, social meeting with the former president.

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WALKER: You just heard it there. Criticism from both sides of the aisle. Now Lynch says the two did not discuss any legal matters and Bill Clinton did not ask about the investigation. The Clinton campaign has not commented. All right, let's discuss the political fallout of this meeting. Earl Ofari Hutchinson joining us now. He is a political analyst, and the author of "How President Trump Will Govern". Also, Gina Loudon is joining us. She is a Trump supporter, a psychology expert, and the host of "America Trends With Doctor Gina", joining us from San Diego. Welcome to you both.

Earl, I want to start with you. A lot of people wondering, what in the world was Bill Clinton thinking? You actually agree with Trump when he says that this was horrible judgment?

EARL OFARI HUTCHINSON, AUTHOR, HOW PRESIDENT TRUMP WILL GOVERN: Well, I don't know if I would agree about the judgment part, but I will say this -- and Democrats are saying this too. Why are you having this meeting now? See, one of the problems, when you're looking at Hillary Clinton, and also Trump, too, the negatives -- they're very, very high. One of the things that Hillary keeps getting pounded with, Trump and everyone else on the GOP side is, untrustworthy. She, in fact, is very prone to cutting backroom deals. Now you've got Bill talking to Loretta Lynch. At least from appearance standpoint, and also too from just the optics of it, it doesn't look good. Is there anything wrong with that? Was there any manipulation? Any wheeling and dealing? Any backroom deals cut? No. But it's the appearances, and you've got to remember, often times, perception trumps reality.

WALKER: Yes, you're right. I mean, adding fuel to the fire, right, because Hillary Clinton's Achilles heel is the fact that she really struggles with being liked and her trustworthiness. Gina, I want to bring you into the fold, here. I mean obviously a lot of Republicans saying that this really compromises the independence of the Department of Justice.

[01:24:43] GINA LOUDON, TRUMP SUPPORTER: Well, a lot of Republicans and Democrats, I'm glad this has become sort of a bipartisan agreement -- but we can talk about the politics all day long, Amara, but I think what is particularly sad about this is when I think about the fact that only a little over 50 percent of Americans actually vote in a presidential election. And I think things like this diminish public confidence in ways that are reprehensible, because I think we're at a point in our history, and I think this is the reason for the outsiders like the Bernie Sanders, like the Donald Trump, who maybe speak too much truth, but at least they're being authentic. And I think part of the reason why that's so attractive is precisely for things like this that happen that make it seem like a dirty, scheming, insider game that the average American citizen doesn't have a say in. So I think the saddest part is what it might do to public trust, and I hate that part.

WALKER: Yes, I think a lot of people agree with that, because it does come down to optics, right. And as Earl was saying, sometimes perception is reality, because that's all what we see. Gina, I also want to ask you about Trump's possible vice presidential picks. I mean, "The Washington Post" reporting that Newt Gingrich is emerging as a leading candidate for Trump as his VP pick, and then followed by New Jersey Governor Chris Christie. What do you think about these choices, and do you think any of these choices may help broaden Trump's appeal? LOUDON: I do. I think that Newt Gingrich is probably a great option because he sort of brings that political gravitas that I think might even bring some of the establishment, some of the establishment who are more hesitant to trust him. I think he might even bring some of that in, but the thing about Newt is, he hasn't yet really alienated conservatives, so I don't think he takes away any of Donald Trump's current support. So I think Newt would be a great choice. Chris Christie is a lot like Donald Trump in the perception, I think, of a lot of Republican voters, so I don't know that I think that he would pick him, but here's what I'll bet you, because he is the most unpredictable candidate of all time. I bet he picks his own person, and I bet we're all going to be surprised. That's just my own little prediction just from watching him so far.

WALKER: It won't be surprising if we are surprised, right, by a VP pick (laughter). And to Earl, as we wrap this up, as we were just saying earlier, the unfavorable ratings of both candidates, Trump and Clinton, are extremely high. I mean again, Clinton struggling with this trustworthiness issue, and then Trump has managed to offend many different kinds of people. When I talk to my friends from outside the United States, they're asking me, what in the world is going on? Is this the best the U.S. has, is this choice? It looks like it's coming out to -- it's not about voting for the best candidate, but the least worst.

HUTCHINSON: Well, it's who's standing at the end. I think this is one of the unique elections where you have two candidates -- I mean, the negatives are off the chart. There's no question about that. They're running neck and neck. Who, at the end, with the American voter, will they hold their nose shortest on? That's a travesty all the way around. That's not the way the system is supposed to work. That's not the way Democracy is supposed to work. We look for the best, not worst. The race is to the top, not to the bottom. Unfortunately, we're seeing that. But at the end of the day, we still have four months. A lot can happen. I caution people -- don't jump the gun on this. Things can happen. We don't know. So at this point in time, the negatives are there, but is there the possibility to flip the card a little bit? And maybe as we start talking policy with both candidates, we'll see some positive things emerge. Maybe we'll even see some attitudes change.

WALKER: You're staying very optimistic. Got to leave it there. Earl Hutchinson, appreciate your time. Gina Loudon, thank you, joining us from San Diego. We're going to end it here, American politics, and turn it over to British politics. John Vause is following the political fallout from across the pond. Hey there, John.

VAUSE: And Amara, there is still plenty of that. We will take a short break, but when we come back, the young and the Brexit. What younger voters now think about the referendum and how it may have changed their future.

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[01:32:07] JOHN VAUSE, CNN ANCHOR: Welcome back, everybody. 6:31 on a Friday morning in London. I'm John Vause, outside the prime minister's home, 10 Downing Street.

It has been a rollercoaster of emotions and political shakeups since the U.K. voted to leave the European Union last week. Many thought Boris Johnson would be the next prime minister. But on Thursday, Johnson shocked and angered many by saying he would not run. This means five conservative members of parliament will compete to replace David Cameron. He walked out of the door behind me a week ago and resigned after losing the referendum vote. Now the vote could drastically change the future of young people here, both sides courted the youth vote.

And now joining us are a 22-year-old Leave voter Joey Simmons (ph), and 24-year-old Remain voter, Mungo Tantem Brown (ph).

Joey, first to you, do you feel betrayed by Boris Johnson not starting to fight for the Conservative Party and essentially being betrayed by Michael Gove?

JOEY SIMMONS (ph), LEAVE VOTER: I don't think it really matters that much. The Leave Campaign was heavily between the -- wing and the Boris wing. There will be a lot of young people to pick up the slack.

VAUSE: To you as a member of the Labour Party, they seem to be facing a firing squad yet again. Do you think Corbyn should step down?

MUNGO TANTEM BROWN (ph), REMAIN VOTER: I think he should. Sorry. Jeremy Corbyn has made a lot of mistakes.

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BROWN (ph): He was on the Remain side in this referendum and he made a lot of critical points about the European Union. He was a lot of skeptical points. And members of his own cabinet were saying why were you saying this? They were being called up on these points in interviews which was really undermining. And it's not just about E.U. It's about the party policy, so he's had a confrontation with his own party about nuclear weapons. So he said -- we don't want to have nuclear weapons the party said, many members of the party said we have to keep this. So you've ended up with a compromise where we are going to have nuclear submarines but they're not going to be armed. It doesn't satisfy anyone.

VAUSE: Let's get back to what the future may hold. Because you know, it's looking as if there will be some kind of deal done that will relegate the U.K. so second tier or third tier status within the E.U. And, Joey, is that what you had voted for when you wanted to leave?

SIMMONS (ph): I voted for the vision of vote leave not leave the E.U. There is a possibility we can stay in the EEC or the FTA. And although, yes, it may have Deby trailed the large part of the leave vote I don't think that was ever really on the cards. I don't think that people voted for this NHS slogan, I don't know anyone who is voting on cheap technical points of the politicians.

[01:35:40] VAUSE: Mungo, as someone who wanted to stay in the E.U., as we have been discussing it was the older voters who were really driving this vote to leave the U.K., and many people made the point, they will be around for the next 15 or 20 years and for the consequences of their decisions. Young voters like yourself will have to live with it for a lot longer.

BROWN (ph): Young people overwhelmingly voted to remain in the E.U. but people of my age group were the least likely to vote in this referendum. So on one side, we can blame older people for voting for something that we didn't want. But most of us didn't actually vote for it. A lot of young people are quite optimistic. They want to work together with the rest of the world. So hopefully we can get a deal of some kind that is more useful in that respect that allows us to still be working with the Europeans, maybe be part of the E.U.

VAUSE: And, Joey, to you, finally, do you believe that you know, the older voters are the ones who have betrayed the younger voters here? Or do you think this just worked out fine?

SIMMONS (ph): No, this presumes a fundamental point which is that by saying this you are saying that the E.U. is such unequivocally good thing, immigration was a top priority for a third of the voters. If the young were so adamant that they were to remain they should have voted. This is a referendum that decides the future of the country. There is no lesser of two evils here.

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VAUSE: If you don't vote, you can't complain, I guess.

SIMMONS (ph): Yeah, it's just a shame that people who have been paying taxes and fought the Nazis, sculpting our country has a generation are now being scapegoating and told they may as well die now and not vote. Is there a soft age cap for voting? So you don't get to vote?

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BROWN (ph): I agree that there's been a bit of ridiculous narrative to some extent around old people but you are not helping by saying should we have an age cap. Obviously, no one is suggesting that.

VAUSE: We shall leave it there.

SIMMONS (ph): You would be surprised. It's a natural conclusion to this --

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VAUSE: OK. We shall leave it there. Clearly, this is something that people will be talking about for a long time in this country.

Thanks to you both for coming in. We appreciate it.

Cornwall, about five hours southwest of here, voted to leave the E.U. last week and now wants to keep the millions of pounds in E.U. subsidies it gets every year.

Phil Black joins us now.

The good folk of Cornwall they want their Brexit cake and they want to eat too.

PHIL BLACK, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Yeah, John, that is one view. Cornwall, like a lot of poorer, less developed areas of the U.K. and across Europe has benefitted from huge amounts of European funding and development money. We're not talking small figures here. It's hundreds of millions of pounds over many years with many more to come. Despite that, this region voted to leave by 56 percent. So above the national average. Now after that, the local authorities have said they are -- they want certain reassurances from the British government that the British government will step in and match that money equally. They say members of the Leave Campaign made those sorts of assurances during that campaign itself. But it is up to the British government and the prevailing economic and budgetary priorities at the time. So somewhat optimistically they hope that the British government can step in and make up for what will clearly be a significant short fall in what were the big and optimistic plans for this region -- John?

[01:40:02] VAUSE: And clearly, Phil looking where you are standing, fishing is a big issue for that community and quotas came up during the referendum. One of the complaints is that the fishing industry is being squeezed by the quotas in place by the E.U. But it seems with a new deal it may not be better for the fishermen?

BLACK: The fishing industry here in Britain has raged against the European Union for decades because their industry is controlled and regulated by the rules that are set in Brussels by what's known as the common fisheries policy. This is what determines quotas and determines which countries can have access to what would be British territorial fishing waters and these sorts of things. They believe it has hurt their industry that boats have gone out of business and it is unfair. A lot of the boats have flags that say "vote leave" and they pleased to have got to this point. They say they believe in the necessity for quotas to ensure fish stocks and that sort of thing but they hope that Britain can stand alone and negotiate deals and rules with other countries that will be more beneficial to the local fishing industry -- John?

VAUSE: And one of the uncertainties surrounding all of this as Britain tries to work out some way to get out of the E.U.

Phil Black thanks so much for being with us.

We will take a break now. Turkish investigators are circulating a picture of the men they believe killed 44 people at Istanbul's airport. Where they're from and whether they're linked to ISIS, just ahead.

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[01:44:57] HALA GORANI, CNN ANCHOR: Welcome back, I'm Hala Gorani. We are broadcasting live from Istanbul.

Turkish investigators say evidence shows ISIS leadership helped plan the deadly attack here at Ataturk Airport. The three terrorists came into Turkey a month ago from Raqqa, Syria, bringing with them suicide vests and bombs. And they also say that the three originated from Uzbekistan, Kyrgyzstan and the Russia republic of Dagestan.

Hugh Naylor joins me in Istanbul. He's a Middle East correspondent for "The Washington Post."

Talk to us about these ex-Soviet republic fighters. What do we know about them?

HUGH NAYLOR, MIDDLE EAST CORRESPONDENT, THE WASHINGTON POST: There are a lot of foreign fighters in ISIS in general. There are several thousand from the former Soviet Union who have gone to Syria and Iraq and they have had training in Chechnya. They are regarded as well trained, tough fighters. And they have formed battalions and taken on leadership roles in the Islamic State itself as fighters and political leaders. But they have taken on prominent roles in areas of ISIS control in Syria and Iraq and beyond such as these attacks.

GORANI: We know that cells inside of ISIS usually group together men who speak the same language, the French and Belgians together. Can this be what happened here?

NAYLOR: It's possible. You know, there is talk that, like, only French speaking people only hang out with French speaking people in Raqqa. But it's hard to know now. But I think it's pretty clear there could be a direct intention here by ISIS to use people from these areas of the world to send a message to Turkey to say you have communities of large minorities from central Asia and participant parts of Russia be careful now we can attack.

GORANI: Not knowing these areas of Istanbul where the men reportedly spent a month before the attack there are large minority communities in areas of Istanbul that they wouldn't necessarily have stood out.

NAYLOR: Certainly. That's a tactic that the Islamic State likes to use and it likes to use minority groups that may be downtrodden from the broader communities to drive a wedge between authorities and the majority population and minority communities.

GORANI: Hugh Naylor, thank you for joining us on CNN.

We'll have more coverage from Istanbul, but let's head back to Los Angeles now and Amara Walker.

AMARA WALKER, CNN ANCHOR: Thanks for that, Hala.

We're going the take a short break from here. Next, from podcast to real life, a man convicted of murder is getting a second chance to prove why he is innocent. Why the case is headed back to court.

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(COMMERCIAL BREAK) [01:52:02] WALKER: Welcome back, everyone. A man whose story was told in the podcast "Serial" is getting a new murder trial. He is serving a life sentence in Maryland. Adnan Syed was convicted in the 1999 death of his ex-girlfriend. On Thursday, though, a judge granted a new trial for him because of cell phone records. Millions of people around the world listened to the podcast "Serial" which investigated his case.

Joining me is an attorney and legal affairs commentator, Areva Martin. She is joining us here in studio.

We appreciate you taking the time.

I want to get your reaction to this. Were you surprised that the judge granted this motion where they were saying -- placing the blame on the defense attorneys?

AREVA MARTIN, ATTORNEY & LEGAL AFFAIRS COMMENTATOR: The motions are filed all the time when there is a conviction. Defendants tend to blame their lawyers but the motions are hard to win. First you have to prove there was something deficient about the defense that was presented by your attorney and then you have to prove that but for that deficient defense the outcome would have been different. That is a high burden of proof on the part of the defendant. I was surprised by the ruling in the case.

WALKER: This podcast broke records.

MARTIN: A hundred million times.

WALKER: So public opinion is not supposed to play a role but you think it did?

MARTIN: You know, judges are supposed to make rulings based on the facts and the law. But they are human too. This is a really difficult case. I think what the investigative reporter did was raise questions about the guilt of the man. She talked about the fact there was no eyewitness to the murder and no physical evidence and the case from the prosecution's standpoint centered on placing him at the burial scene based on his cell phone and there was questions about how the defense attorney treated that evidence and what the judge says is she did not cross-examine the expert on the cell phone evidence.

WALKER: That cell phone tower data the jury was not told that data was unreliable.

MARTIN: There was a question if you get an incoming call versus an outgoing call how reliable is that in determining your whereabouts. There was an instruction that was given that should have been used by the defense attorney to question the credibility of that evidence and it may have impacted the outcome of the case.

WALKER: This was not part of the judge's ruling, but this alibi witness, Asia Champion, I mean, she was apparently, she was with this convicted murderer when the girlfriend was killed. Yet, she was never called to testify. [01:54:53] MARTIN: That was another big part of the defense's

motion. They said, look, this witness came forward and she wrote two letters to the defendant while he was in jail and he gave the letters to his attorney and she was never on the witness stand and her alibi was never part of the defense for the defendant. And the judge said that fell below the standard of care but not prejudicial. What the judges have to do in a case like this is give deference to the strategy of the defense attorney. You don't want to second guess the decisions made. Maybe the lawyer looked at the letters and didn't believe she was credible. There could have been at lot of reasons she wasn't put on. That is some of the reasons that are used by defendants in seeking new trials based on ineffective assistance of counsel.

WALKER: Quickly, we're running out of time, but where do things go from here? Now he has a new defense team you think they may be effective this time around?

MARTIN: The prosecution's ball's in their court. Will they appeal or let him walk out of jail and start looking for who murdered this young girl. And the family is saying that justice was served by the conviction.

WALKER: A hard time for the family as well.

Areva Martin, good to have you.

MARTIN: Thank you.

WALKER: Thank you.

That does it for this hour of CNN NEWSROOM. I'm Amara Walker, in Los Angeles.

Our live coverage from Istanbul and London continues after this. You are watching CNN.

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