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Hillary Clinton's Campaign Releases Ad Showing Republicans Opposing Donald Trump; Hillary Clinton's Statement about Some Trump Supporters Garners Criticism; U.S. and Russia Announce Plans to Cooperate on Ending Conflict in Syria; Donald Trump's Praise of Vladimir Putin Examined; Donald Trump's History of Birtherism Assessed; Report Issued that Wells Fargo Created Fake Bank Accounts; Trump Supporter Claims Some Religious Black American Will Not Vote for Hillary Clinton Because She is a Woman. Aired 10-11a ET
Aired September 10, 2016 - 10:00 ET
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[10:00:00] UNIDENTIFIED MALE: -- power of Kim Jong-un's latest nuclear bomb test.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: If they launch against us or our allies, we will launch against them.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I believe the plan, if followed, has the ability to provide a turning point.
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CHRISTIE PAUL, CNN ANCHOR: Good morning to you, 10:00 here in the east.
VICTOR BLACKWELL, CNN ANCHOR: Good to be with you. The presidential elections are less than two months away. And all the candidates are out campaigning this morning. In less than an hour, Mike Pence will address the Values Voters Summit.
PAUL: Meanwhile Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton trading jabs, including a new Hillary Clinton ad exposing the rift in the Republican Party over their nominee.
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HILLARY CLINTON, (D) PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I'm Hillary Clinton, and I approve this message.
SEN. LINDSEY GRAHAM, (R) SOUTH CAROLINA: He's a race-baiting, xenophobic, religious bigot.
MITT ROMNEY, (R) FORMER PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Donald Trump is a phony, a fraud.
SEN. BEN SASSE, (R) NEBRASKA: He's not a serious adult.
SEN. JEFF FLAKE, (R) ARIZONA: I can't vote for Donald Trump given the things that he said.
REP. RICHARD HANNA, (R) NEW YORK: Trump should not be supported.
REP. REID RIBBLE, (R) WISCONSIN: I believe he's disqualified himself to be president.
SEN. SUSAN COLLINS, (R) MAINE: I just cannot support Donald Trump.
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PAUL: All right, I want to bring in Scott McLean. Scott, what is Hillary Clinton and her camp saying about this?
SCOTT MCLEAN, CNN NEWSOURCE NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Yes, hey Christi. So this is getting plenty of reaction, obviously. What she said about the comments from a fundraiser last night. Perhaps it was aimed at galvanizing her base, but it's really firing up Donald Trump supporters. So here's what she said.
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HILLARY CLINTON, (D) PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: To just be grossly generalistic, you can put half of Trump supporters into what I call the basket of deplorables.
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CLINTON: Right? The racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, Islamaphobic, you name it. And unfortunately, there are people like that, and he has lifted them up.
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MCLEAN: So "basket of deplorables" is actually a trending topic on Twitter. You do not have to look very far to see some outrage on there. In fact the conservative news site Breitbart that Steve Bannon, Trump's top campaign aide, previously worked for, is calling this Hillary Clinton's 47 percent moment, referring to Mitt Romney's infamous comments during the 2012 campaign, Christi.
PAUL: So let's talk about the reaction from the Trump campaign first of all. I understand that -- and I see that Donald Trump is tweeting about it.
MCLEAN: Yes, and first off I should mention the people here that that we have spoken to as well. A lot of them, obviously, are Donald Trump supporters. Some of them are offended. Some of them aren't offended. They just think that Hillary Clinton is playing to her base. But all of them say this is simply untrue.
Now, Donald Trump, as you mentioned has also tweeted this, saying "Wow, Hillary Clinton was so insulting to my supporters, millions of amazing hardworking people. I think it will cost her at the polls." He also tweeted, "You know what's deplorable -- attacking hardworking Americans upset because their jobs have been sent abroad by politicians like Hillary Clinton." Christi.
PAUL: Yes, that one actually coming from Donald Trump Jr. there on Twitter. Have we heard this morning yet from Hillary Clinton?
MCLEAN: Yes. So Hillary Clinton doesn't actually have any campaign events scheduled for today, so it's unclear what her reaction will be or whether she'll try to clarify. But so far her campaign is not backing away from these comments. In fact, her traveling press Nick Merrill had this to say, saying "Obviously, not everyone supporting Trump is part of the alt right, but alt right leaders are with Trump and their supporters appear to make up half his crowd when you observe the tone of his events."
To be clear the alt right is a nationalist, often anti-immigrant movement. The Trump campaign says, though, they do not support the alt right. As you mentioned, Mike Pence will be here in about an hour-and-a-half. He is a conservative favorite. A lot of people will be wondering whether he mentions Clinton's comments.
PAUL: Scott McLean, thank you for bringing us the latest. Good to see you this morning.
BLACKWELL: This morning, two major international stories happening, playing out both with huge implications in the race for the White House. First this potentially groundbreaking deal on U.S.-Russia cooperation in Syria. And then new outrage after North Korea claims it successfully tested its more powerful nuclear device.
Let's go first to Geneva, though, where U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry and Russia foreign minister Sergey Lavrov announced that for the first time both sides will be working together to try and end the conflict in Syria. That could, if successful, also help in the battle against ISIS across the country. The agreement comes, as you know, after months of talks and at the time when the U.S.-Russia relationship is a bit frosty.
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[10:05:09] JOHN KERRY, SECRETARY OF STATE: Today, the United States and Russia are announcing a plan which we hope will reduce violence, ease suffering, and resume movement towards a negotiated peace and a political transition in Syria.
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PAUL: CNN has live team coverage of all these developing stories. First of all I want to start with CNN international diplomatic editor Nic Robertson. He's live in Geneva for us. Nic, let's talk about the details of the ceasefire and the timeline here. Is it safe to say we won't know how well it's going for at least seven days?
NIC ROBERTSON, CNN INTERNATIONAL DIPLOMATIC EDITOR: You know, when Sergey Lavrov talked about it yesterday, he said it was going to be built in 48 hour chunks. So yes, we'll get an idea maybe after 48 hours, but absolutely seven days. There's a lot of other things are supposed to kick in after seven days. The United States and Russia working together jointly in these joint centers, military centers, to combine forces to target Al Nusra, former Al Qaeda affiliate, and ISIS. So that is a key transition period. But we should be able to see pretty quickly. Do the guns fall silent
as the sun goes down on Monday evening. What we're seeing today, what's being reported from Syria today, is still not. The Syrian government is bombing in places that we understand it will not be allowed to bomb as of Monday night. So the questions that are being asked right now are, what are the punitive measures? What are going to be the controls? If the Assad government doesn't play by what's been agreed here, who is going to tell it and make it -- and essentially push it into compliance. That's a concern for the opposition.
But after seven days, if it is working, then you can begin to look forward to a political transition. There's no doubt the way this is being viewed across the board, everyone involved, opposition, U.N., the Russians, obviously Secretary of State John Kerry, this is the best opportunity they've had in a while to end some of the suffering that's going on in Syria right now.
PAUL: Nic, what are some of the things people are saying about their confidence in this process and the U.S. working with Russia on this? Because that is rare, let's say, to see those two countries come together.
ROBERTSON: Yes, it would certainly be a new dimension for the United States to work together militarily air strikes against Nusra and ISIS. Of course, that's key both countries are absolutely committed to fighting terrorism. The problem is they often define it differently. For Russia, a big issue has been, well, they've been saying to the United States over the past many months. OK, tell us who the terrorists are. And that's what the Russians are expecting on day seven. They're expecting the separation on the battlefield between Al Nusra and some of the moderate rebel groups the United States and others have been supporting.
The problem there is that these moderate groups have been relying on Al Nusra for that extra firepower in the battlefield. So separating them apart where there sort of integrated on frontlines, that's going to be a big challenge. But, yes, a huge step forward for the United States and Russia to combine efforts here.
PAUL: Nic Robertson, thank you so much for the update. We appreciate it.
BLACKWELL: But now to the rising in global furry after North Korea's stunning claim that it successfully detonated its most powerful nuclear device yet. CNN's Will Ripley is live in Tokyo for us. Will, when we come to you, the question here about North Korean leader Kim Jong-un's intentions, is his intention to launch a nuclear strike, to sell these weapons on the black market, to use them as leverage? What is the goal as he gets closer to potentially development, full development of these weapons?
WILL RIPLEY, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, the first point you made about launching nuclear strike, most analysts agree that is highly unlikely, because if you're looking at things from the perspective of his regime, this nuclear arsenal is about self-preservation and keeping the regime strongly in control. So how would nuclear weapons that lead to diplomatic isolation, that lead to sanctions, international condemnation, how would they accomplish this for Kim Jong-un? Well, it's because he wants to project power abroad, yes, but also and perhaps most importantly to his audience at home, including the country's ruling elite who might question whether a 30-something young leader should be guiding the country of 24 million people.
Also North Korea can advertise its weapons technology. North Korea always sells the weapons that it perfects to terrorist organizations. It has happened in the past with other rogue states. It could happen with the nuclear warheads as well.
[10:10:00] And then the hope is for international leverage to force the United States and United Nations to come to the bargaining table to acknowledge North Korea as a nuclear state. Even though President Obama says that absolutely won't happen, we've seen that these weapons are increasing very rapidly, not only in size of the explosions themselves, but also their range and accuracy. If you look at where these weapons can go, they can now hit anywhere in the Korean peninsula. They can hit anywhere here in Japan where I am. They can go all the way down to Guam where the U.S. has assets. And some ballistic missiles in North Korea's arsenal could even hypothetically reach the mainland of the United States, although their accuracy is still very much in question.
South Korea's foreign minister calling for more sanctions this morning, but all this rapid advancement has happened, Victor, despite heightened international sanctions, even sanctions naming Kim Jong-un himself.
BLACKWELL: Will Ripley who has reported from Pyongyang more than any western TV journalist, Will, thank you so much.
We'll talk more about national security with our panel of political experts. We've got Josh Rogin who is a CNN political analyst, former Congressman Jack Kingston who is a Trump surrogate, and Atlanta Mayor Kasim Reed, who is a Clinton supporter. They'll all join us next.
PAUL: Also, politics and religion clash. A pastor who supports Donald Trump makes the claim that black religious leaders will not elect Hillary Clinton as president because she's a woman. He responds to that backlash.
And Wells Fargo, have you been watching it? What's going to happen after it's accused of creating millions of fake bank accounts for unknowing customers.
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BLACKWELL: Donald Trump is now dialing back his praise for Russian President Vladimir Putin. Meanwhile, Clinton is slamming him for calling the Russian president a stronger leader than President Obama. Also, you had earlier this week Senator Tim Kaine attacked Trump for what he calls his bizarre fascination with a strongmen like Putin and also Syrian President Bashar al Assad and North Korea's Kim Jong-un. [10:15:04] Let's bring in Atlanta Mayor Kasim Reed, he is a Hillary
Clinton supporter, Josh Rogin, who is a CNN political analyst and "Washington Post" columnist, and former Congressman Jack Kingston who is a senior adviser to the Trump campaign. Gentlemen, good morning to all of you. So let me start with you, congressman. After what we've heard from Senator Kaine, from Secretary Clinton, how do you explain this affinity that Donald Trump has expressed for those leaders we just mentioned?
JACK KINGSTON, TRUMP CAMPAIGN SENIOR ADVISER: Well, it's not an affinity admiring what they're doing. He simply said they're strong leaders. Barack Obama started out his presidency apologizing on an international tour, nonetheless, apologizing for the actions of the United States of America. He has made meaningless threats, such as if you cross the redline in Syria this is what we're going to do. He says that we're going to be tough on all allies. We're going to end terrorism, that ISIS is a jayvee team and we and our allies are going to be tough on them and everything else. So I think what he's saying is you got a strong leader, and if you're going to deal with a strong leader you've got to be strong. Hillary Clinton, by the way --
BLACKWELL: But they're also dictators.
KINGSTON: And they're strong. They may be dictators, but they're strong.
BLACKWELL: But is that really what you want the Republican nominee to say? Yes, they're dictators but at least they're strong? Is that the argument?
KINGSTON: He's saying you need a strong leader to stand up. When Hillary Clinton --
MAYOR KASIM REED, (D) ATLANTA: That's not what he's saying at all.
BLACKWELL: Hold on, Mr. Mayor.
KINGSTON: Well, I'm on the team now, so we get a lot of advice from good Democrats. And we appreciate that, but the reality is he's saying you need a tough guy to stand up to tough people. Hillary Clinton said she was going to end the nuclear testing in North Korea. She said that in February of 2009 when she became secretary of state. Well, that's really done a really good job. She's really worked that out.
BLACKWELL: We're going to go into details on North Korea. But Mr. Mayor, I want you to respond to that.
REED: The bottom line is that Don Trump has constantly praised Vladimir Putin. When my friend, Congressman Jack Kingston, was running for the United States Senate and lost, he never would have appeared on a Russian propaganda station downgrading and denigrating U.S. generals while he was running for office.
His behavior is reprehensible and has been the entire time. And I believe that if don Trump would actually show his tax returns we would have much greater insight into why he praises Vladimir Putin and is such a fan of Russia. But because he won't disclose his tax returns in an open and transparent fashion, Don Trump won't even meet Dick Nixon's standards. Dick Nixon shows his tax returns to the American people. But because Don Trump won't, we will not have the kind of insight that the American people deserve into his intimate relationship with Russia.
It didn't just occur. Let's be real clear for a moment since my friend took his time to talk. The only direct action during the Republican National Convention that Don Trump and their leadership got involved in was relaxing the Republican platform as it relates to the United States relationship between Russia.
BLACKWELL: Let me --
REED: This is a vital issue, and Don Trump needs to open his tax returns so that we can see what is the genuine relationship between Don Trump, Vladimir Putin, and Russia.
BLACKWELL: All right.
REED: And the American people, I think will have --
BLACKWELL: Josh, let me bring you in here. Is this something -- the Clinton campaign calls unprecedented. They've never seen anything before like this. Is this, indeed unprecedented from your reporting? Is this more than just Donald Trump giving compliments back to a leader who gave some to him?
JOSH ROGIN, CNN POLITICAL ANALYST: Yes, yes, it's much deeper than just his compliments for Vladimir Putin. Donald Trump has been doing business in Russia and attempting to do business in Russia in 1987 when he made his first trip to scout properties for a Trump Tower in Moscow for what was then the Soviet Union. Let's not forget he had a campaign chairman who was a pro Putin lobbyist.
And yes, he talks about the strength of Putin, but defining leadership in simply terms of strength is sort of the simplest, most sort of unserious way you can define leadership.
But setting that aside for one second, the point here is that when Donald Trump talks about Russia, he talks in terms that are exactly the same as Russian state propaganda positions. When he talks about Crimea, when he talks about Ukraine, when he talks about NATO, when he talks about United States democracy being rigged, these are all things that fit exactly the Russian propaganda line.
So we have the Republican presidential candidate parroting Russian propaganda talking points. It's weird. It's unprecedented. It's very, sort of destructive to the actual serious debate over U.S.- Russia policy, and it's clear that Donald Trump --
KINGSTON: Maybe we --
[10:20:00] BLACKWELL: Hold on, Hold on. I want to introduce North Korea. We don't have a lot of time. I want to bring up North Korea. And Donald Trump, this year, has discussed in defense against North Korea's growing nuclear resources that potentially Japan and South Korea should also be nuclear powers. Let's get a reminder. Let's watch.
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DONALD TRUMP, (R) PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: So North Korea has nukes. Japan has a problem with that. I mean, they have a big problem with that. Maybe they would in fact be better off if they defend themselves from North Korea. Maybe they would be better off?
CHRIS WALLACE, FOX NEWS HOST: With nukes?
TRUMP: Including with nukes, yes, including with nukes.
WALLACE: And South Korea with nuke?
TRUMP: South Korea is right next door. Just so you understand.
WALLACE: But that would create a nuclear arms race in --
TRUMP: You already have it, Chris.
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BLACKWELL: There was a major global response to that suggestion. Japan said they didn't even want them. Congressman, is a nuclear South Korea still on the table considering what we just saw this week from North Korea?
KINGSTON: Well, first of all, that wasn't a statement of policy. That was a statement of we need to have our allies well-armed to defend themselves and we need to let North Korea know that we're going to stand up to them. I want to emphasize --
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REED: Are you kidding me?
BLACKWELL: You can't skip by this, congressman.
KINGSTON: It was not a statement of policy.
BLACKWELL: Let me ask you -- hold on, hold on. Congressman, is Donald Trump still open to a nuclear South Korea?
KINGSTON: I think what he's open to is making sure that our allies are defended and that they are strengthened.
BLACKWELL: Respectfully, that's not the question --
KINGSTON: It doesn't matter. It's not a statement of policy. What he was saying is I'm not going to cut and run on you the way the Obama and Hillary Clinton administration has.
Remember, Hillary Clinton when she was being -- doing her hearing for secretary of state in 2009, she said we're going to stop the nuclear testing in North Korea. We're going to have a coalition. We're going to get an international group together and put pressure on them. We're going to have the six party talks, six country talks all around. It's more talk and no action.
BLACKWELL: Josh, was that received as a statement of policy?
ROGIN: Yes, I talk today Japanese and South Korean leaders. They're appalled and sort of saddened by the fact that the Trump plan for non- proliferation is actually proliferation of nuclear weapons. It doesn't make any real sense at all. And it sort of contradicts decades of U.S. and allied policy --
KINGSTON: But remember --
BLACKWELL: Hold on --
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KINGSTON: It's not a statement of policy.
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BLACKWELL: We're running low on time. I want to give the mayor 20 seconds. Go ahead.
REED: This is exactly the reason that 115 Republican defense specialists are supporting Secretary Clinton and not having anything to do with Donald Trump. The unhinged statements, the kind of unhinged statements he makes weakens our international policy and shows a blatant lack of support for our allies in South Korea and in Japan. And it's exactly what he should not be president of the United States.
BLACKWELL: We got to wrap it there --
KINGSTON: Remember we 140 who have endorsed Donald Trump.
BLACKWELL: Congressman, thank you very much, we're going to continue --
REED: You can't name them though.
KINGSTON: Absolutely.
BLACKWELL: Congressman --
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BLACKWELL: Thank you very much.
And we want to make sure you watch on Sunday an exclusive interview with Hillary Clinton for her thoughts on 9/11, terror, national security, on "State of the Union," 9:00 a.m. eastern right here on CNN.
Also, be sure to watch the CNN special, "9/11, 15 years later." It's this Sunday, 8:00 p.m. eastern, also, again on CNN.
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[10:26:42] PAUL: This morning Libertarian presidential candidate Gary Johnson got another chance to clarify his comments on the war in Syria after a false start, let's say, this week. Take a look.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What would you do if you were elected about Aleppo?
GARY JOHNSON, LIBERTARIAN PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: About?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Aleppo.
JOHNSON: And what is Aleppo?
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PAUL: Our Michael Smerconish spoke to both candidates this morning. Take a listen.
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MICHAEL SMERCONISH, CNN ANCHOR: Governor Johnson, I don't want to beat you up on the whole Aleppo thing. You've been beat up enough on it. But I want to raise this question. I know you said that you were thinking acronym when you heard Aleppo. I'm wondering, is it also a reflection of those issues that do have your focus and those that do not? Because a hallmark of your candidacy is that you believe in less foreign entanglements. Might that be an explanation as to why you didn't identify Aleppo?
JOHNSON: No, Michael, no excuse whatsoever. And I know you're doing a poll right now. But most -- not -- the person on the street is not running for president of the United States. But understanding what is happening in Syria, that it is very serious, that I've been saying now for quite some time that the key to Syria is bringing Russia to the table. Believing that Kerry was actually involved in those negotiations and then seeing, you know, just last night that, in fact, we do have what hopefully will be a lasting ceasefire.
SMERCONISH: But you don't want us there is my point. You don't want us over there wherever over there might be. Is it fair to say that Gary Johnson believes every time we open a base overseas we put more American lives in jeopardy and not make us more safe?
JOHNSON: Well, you know, we are there right there. We're going to honor all treaties and obligations. And you can't wave a magic wand and not recognize that we are there. But we're there in the first place because we do support regime change, which I think has resulted in what is happening right now in Syria. And that started with Iraq and Raqqah and the fleeing of -- Saddam Hussein's loyalists that fled to Raqqah.
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BLACKWELL: Trump surrogates say Donald Trump believes that President Obama was born in Hawaii. So should he personally acknowledge that he was wrong? We'll show you how the whole birther campaign started and we'll hear from two of his supporters.
PAUL: But first, if you're a business traveler heading to the windy city, let's say, there's an exciting way to take in Chicago's famous landmarks from the sky. It's something fun to do when you're off the clock.
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TREVOR HEFFERNAN, CHICAGO HELICOPTER EXPERIENCE: Welcome to Chicago. This is the Chicago helicopter experience.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We are climbing to 1,300 above sea level.
HEFFERNAN: You depart from our heliport which right downtown immediately taking in some breathtaking views and the whole city skyline. And throughout the tour you fly over all the landmarks. Our pilots narrate the tour. They tell you all about what you're seeing, the history of the city. You get to engage with them, talk to the pilot, ask questions.
[10:30:02] UNIDENTIFIED MALE: As we make our way out over the water, to the left is Soldier Field, home of the Chicago Bears.
HEFFERNAN: We have business travelers that have limited time, so it's a great way for them to take in the whole city when they have a tight schedule.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We're coming up to Navy pier, that's Illinois's number one tourist attraction.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It was my first time in a helicopter. It did get me a little nervous. But once you're up there it's so smooth, and the skyline looks completely defer from up there. It's a great way to learn a lot of history, and you have an adventure.
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PAUL: Welcome to Saturday. So good to have your company. I'm Christi Paul.
BLACKWELL: I'm Victor Blackwell. The rhetoric is getting even more heated on the campaign trail. Last night Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton spoke to donors in New York. And she said that half of Trump supporters she characterized them as a "basket of deplorables."
PAUL: In the meantime, Donald Trump went off script at a rally in Florida and said of Hillary Clinton she could quote, "shoot someone and not be arrested." BLACKWELL: Along with the new rhetoric this week saw a return to the
old going way back to 2011 and the birther issue. The attacks on the president's heritage that arguably laid the groundwork for Trump's current campaign. Here's what Ben Carson, a Trump surrogate, told Jake Tapper.
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[10:35:14] JAKE TAPPER, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Do you think it's time for Donald Trump to acknowledge that all that birther nonsense was a mistake and to apologize?
BEN CARSON, (R) FORMER PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I think that would be a good idea, absolutely. I suggest that on all sides. Let's get all of the, you know, the hate and rancor out of the way.
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PAUL: All right, other surrogates, by the way have said that Trump already put the issue to rest.
BLACKWELL: Yes.
PAUL: And it's funny how in this campaign, things that we thought were over come back to haunt us and the conversation just keeps going. We hear that a lot about Hillary Clinton's e-mail. Everybody keeps saying, why are we talking about that? Then the FBI releases something and it comes back up.
BLACKWELL: There are a lot of people who don't believe the birther issue is over because simply that Donald Trump says he doesn't talk about it anymore doesn't mean he's ever actually apologized or clarified.
PAUL: Or said he believes he has never said --
BLACKWELL: Although Mayor Giuliani has said that.
Let's take a turn here and talk about if you are heading out the door, grabbing your keys, grabbing your phone, if that phone is a warning -- we going somewhere else?
PAUL: Yes. We're actually going to talk more about the birther issue and why it's coming up.
BLACKWELL: Let's do that.
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TRUMP: I want him to show his birth certificate. There's something on that birth certificate that he doesn't like.
I'm starting to wonder myself whether or not he was born in this country.
If he wasn't born in this country, which is a real possibility, then he has pulled one of the great cons in the history of the politics.
He could have born in Kenya and gone over to the United States. And everybody wants to be a U.S. citizen.
BARACK OBAMA, (D) PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: No one is happier, no one is prouder to put this birth certificate matter to rest than the Donald. And that's because he can finally get back to focusing on the issues that matter, like, did we fake the moon landing?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Do you accept what he produced is valid?
TRUMP: No, I don't necessarily --
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Do you believe he probably was born in America?
TRUMP: I say he might have been.
WOLF BLITZER, CNN HOST, "THE SITUATION ROOM": If the state of Hawaii says this was official, he was born in Hawaii on this date, here it is, why do you deny that?
TRUMP: A lot of people do not think it was an authentic certificate.
BLITZER: How can you say that if --
TRUMP: His mother was not in the hospital. There are many other things that came out.
BLITZER: Donald, Donald, you're beginning to sound a little ridiculous. I have to tell you.
TRUMP: You are, Wolf.
Who knows, who knows? Who cares right now. We're talking about something else, OK. I have my own theory of Obama. Someday I'll write a book. I'll do another book and it will be very successful.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Donald Trump believes now that he was born in the United States.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He believes President Obama was born here.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
PAUL: All right, so let's talk about something that is affecting you as well. This Wells Fargo news that it created millions of fake bank accounts. What do you need to do now if that's your bank? We'll talk about it.
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[10:42:22] PAUL: Boy, a lot of outrage this morning against one of the largest banks in the countries. Federal regulators say employees at Wells Fargo created millions of fake bank accounts. In some cases the bank allegedly charged customers fees on those accounts. So now the company has fired more than 5,000 employees and it's facing millions of dollars in fines. Let's bring in CNN Money correspondent Cristina Alesci. Cristina, I know it's scary. I know people are watching it. First and foremost, what do customers need to do at this point?
CRISTINA ALESCI, CNN MONEY CORRESPONDENT: This is outrageous. Customers are being told by the -- one of the agencies that settled this matter to -- not to really worry, because as part of the settlement, Wells Fargo has to reach out to you to let you know if there's something wrong with your account or if there was one of these fake ghost accounts created without you even knowing about it.
But the reality is, now that trust is totally eroded -- and I wouldn't discourage this, you should probably call Wells Fargo to find out what is going on with your bank account. And they should have scaled up the number of people available to help you sort it out.
To be clear, this is not the fault of consumers. Consumers could have done nothing to prevent what happened here. You had some employees go as far as creating fake e-mail addresses for people to open up these accounts. It just defies what you would think a reputable bank would do. This is the biggest bank by market value. This has a main street image, right. Most people see Wells Fargo and they don't think of big bad Wall Street. They think of Main Street. That's my local bank, where I go to get my loan, my mortgage. This is a complete erosion of trust. Also the settlement that was negotiated makes it hard for people to go ahead and sue the bank. So it's a really tough spot for consumers, Christi.
PAUL: All right, Cristina Alesci, thank you so much for walking us through it. We appreciate it.
BLACKWELL: All right, according to my next guest, millions of black voters will not support Hillary Clinton because she's a woman. He says their religious beliefs prohibit it. He himself is a black pastor and a Trump supporter, and he'll explain, next.
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[10:48:19] BLACKWELL: A pastor who is supporting Donald Trump is under fire for a comment that some are calling sexist. Pastor Darrell Scott took to twitter to say this, "Millions of black Apostolics don't believe in women pastors much less women presidents. They will never vote for Hillary." Joining me now is Pastor Scott himself. Also with me Bishop Joel Trout of Harvest Time Apostolic Ministries. Both Trump supporters. Good to have both of you this morning.
BISHOP JOEL TROUT, TRUMP SUPPORTER: Thank you.
PASTOR DARRELL SCOTT, TRUMP SUPPORTER: God bless you.
BLACKWELL: Pastor Scott -- I'm sorry. Pastor Scott, let's start with you, yes. I know that 140 characters doesn't always give us the time and space we want to make an argument. So take 20 or 30 seconds and tell us what you mean by this, that because she's a woman black Apostolics will not vote for her. SCOTT: Well, there is a huge segment of Christianity, one that's
Pentecostals or Apostolics who hold to a literal view of the bible, a literal interpretation of the scriptures. And as a result their policy is that women cannot hold offices in the church. They use the scripture from the Apostle Paul that says "Thou shalt not suffer a woman to teach nor to usurp authority over a man."
Now, some apply that only to a church, that within the parameters of the church a woman can't be a bishop or a pastor or hold a position of authority. But I know some that I've discussed with on a number of occasions that hold to that interpretation in all parameters of life. And they've told me out of their mouth, "Oh, no, we" -- they didn't say "I." They said "We would never vote for a woman." Now, this was during the Republican primaries. They weren't supporting -- they wouldn't vote for a woman.
[10:50:03] BLACKWELL: OK, let me take this to Bishop Trout, then. You hear this. You're not a supporter of Hillary Clinton's, but you're not voting for her not because she's a woman, for other reasons. But what do you make of what you're hearing from Pastor Scott here that there will be many, he says millions, but let's say many who will not vote for her because she's a woman?
TROUT: I'm a fifth generation Apostolic. And I'll say this about the Apostolic Church. It's evolved over the years to the point that we have now pastors and even women bishops in the Apostolic movement. The other thing to consider is that the Apostolic Church is made of 75 percent to 80 percent women.
But gender is really a distraction the real issue to me about Hillary is this. Last year, April 2015, at a women's national or worldwide summit, she declared that the church needs to change its views on abortion. That, to me, is more dangerous than her gender.
BLACKWELL: And you would say that is the primary reason you're not supporting her, bishop?
TROUT: Exactly. She's challenged the church to change itself. And that takes a lot of hubris to do so.
BLACKWELL: Pastor Scott, let me come to you, because you tweeted this out maybe four or five times on the day you sent it out. And on one of the tweets you said more blacks will vote for Trump than people think. So are you looking for those votes from black Apostolics who are not going to support Hillary Clinton because she's a woman?
SCOTT: Once again, I didn't want to make a blanket indictment against all Apostolics. I know for a fact there are a number of Apostolics that -- they don't hold to those ultraconservative or ultra- traditional views. It's just that I've had conversations with those from major denominations that have stated because she's a woman they cannot --
BLACKWELL: But do you welcome those votes for people who won't vote for Hillary Clinton because she's a woman? SCOTT: I welcome any vote for Donald Trump because he's my candidate
of choice. I do know there is a huge undercurrent of black Americans that fear the backlash and ostracism that would come from their public support of Donald Trump. But they've told me in private, and I'm talking about some pretty big names that have national reputations that have said I don't want to risk offending my constituency or losing any of my supporters, but I will vote for Trump.
I have a term I coined for them. I call them the "incog-negroes."
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BLACKWELL: Let me come to you Bishop Trout. And one of the issues we talked about before the break was this birther claim from 2011. Donald Trump apparently now believes that Barack Obama was born in the United States. Let's listen to two of his supporters.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Does he believe he would succeed a legitimate president?
RUDY GIULIANI, (R) FORMER NEW YORK CITY MAYOR: Donald Trump believes now that he was born in the United States.
TAPPER: Do you think it's time for Donald Trump to acknowledge that all that birther nonsense was a mistake and to apologize so that African-American voters to whom he's reaching out might be more willing to listen to his message?
CARSON: I think that would be a good idea, absolutely.
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BLACKWELL: So Bishop Trout, do you believe that your congregants would appreciate hearing from Donald Trump on this issue, that he now believes that Barack Obama was born in the U.S., from his own mouth?
TROUT: Well, I think our congregants would like to hear from Hillary who was the one who brought it up in the first place.
BLACKWELL: Let me bring you back to facts here. It was Mark Penn who was one of her advisors and strategists, not from Hillary Clinton herself. But I hear your point. But the point of my question was, Donald Trump is now running for president. Donald Trump sent investigators to Hawaii. Donald Trump put up a $5 million bounty for information about a birth certificate. Should Donald Trump now apologize and speak from his own mouth, not through surrogates or supporters, that he believes the president was born in Hawaii?
TROUT: That's up to him to make that decision. I don't think it will necessarily sway a lot of votes. The people that are invested in his campaign are not necessarily going to be moved by the fact of the birther. In fact he's running against Hillary and not Obama.
BLACKWELL: OK, let me come to you, pastor really quickly there, pastor Scott. Why haven't we heard from Donald Trump on this although his supporters and surrogates are saying he now believes that the president was born in the U.S.?
SCOTT: I'm not going to say "believes." I'm going to say he grudgingly accepts the fact that the president was born in the United States.
BLACKWELL: He doesn't believe it, is that what you're telling me?
SCOTT: I said he grudgingly accepts it. In 2010 the "New York Times" conducted a poll where 43 percent of American citizens believed that Barack Obama was born outside the United States. That's 130 million people.
BLACKWELL: If what you're saying is true, then 130 million people would be wrong because the president was born in Hawaii.
[10:55:01] We've got to wrap it here. Pastor Darrell Scott, Bishop Joel, Trout we've got to wrap it.
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