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Tulsa Police Officers Arrest Black Teen For Jaywalking; Minneapolis P.D. To Implement Early Warning System To Identify Police Misconduct; 1.5 Million More Americans File Unemployment; NASCAR Bans Confederate Flags At All Races, Events; CNN: U.S. Spy Planes Monitored Some George Floyd Protests. Aired 12:30-1p ET

Aired June 11, 2020 - 12:30   ET

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KATE BOLDUAN, CNN HOST: New video released and an arrest under investigation you see here. Just released body cam video showing officers in Oklahoma, Tulsa, Oklahoma arresting a black teenager and handcuffing another one last week for, get this, jaywalking as they were walking down a peaceful street with which also appears to not have a sidewalk in any view. You can tell right there.

In the video, you can see an officer force one teenager onto his stomach before arresting him. The second teenager also handcuffed and has also her repeatedly telling his friend that it's not worth it to fight back. Watch.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Why are you putting handcuffs on me?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Because.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Why are you putting handcuffs on --

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: All you --

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Does he have anything on him, sir?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: All he was doing was jaywalking which I'm talking with him.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Does he have anything --

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Then he have to act to fool (ph) like that.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Hey sir, does he have anything on --

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I appreciate you being cool, man.

(END VIDEO CLIP) BOLDUAN: The Tulsa Police Department says that it cannot comment while an investigation is underway. So that is that. But also in Minneapolis, the center of the nationwide unrest as protests there after George Floyd was killed by a now former Minneapolis police officer, the police chief there promises that they will be better laying out some reforms yesterday in his department is taking on right now and also saying that more is also coming. Part of the solution, the chief says, is data and using it to identify and then get rid of police officers who commit misconduct before they do something like we saw with Derek Chauvin that we saw. Listen here to the chief.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Chief, in your remarks, you mentioned the use the real-time data to intervene with problematic officers or interact with. Can you go more into detail of what that means and what the community would expect that to mean when these problems arise out in the public?

MEDARIA ARRADONDO, MINNEAPOLIS POLICE CHIEF: Yes. So what I can tell you is we've been very fortunate to bring on Benchmark Analytics, which is a national company that expertise and specializes in this.

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BOLDUAN: So joining me right now is the CEO of Benchmark Analytics, Ron Huberman, the firm hire there, as the police chief just mentioned. Ron, thank you for coming in. Can you help us understand how exactly this works? How do you weed out bad police through technology?

RON HUBERMAN, CEO, BENCHMARK ANALYTICS: Yes. You know, the University of Chicago starting about 10 years ago, Kate, began to do longitudinal research to understand and ask a fundamental question. Can you use everyday data that exists in police departments to identify officers who are off track, officers who are engaged in fundamentally problematic conduct? Benchmark was born out of the University of Chicago to use that research and operationalize it.

And the punch line is what that research shows is that it's very, very predictable, meaning we know through research, we know through data, those officers that are going to be and are involved in these kinds of problematic incidents.

BOLDUAN: It's really interesting.

HUBERMAN: And so it's really then --

BOLDUAN: What are the types of -- so sorry with the delay between our feeds.

HUBERMAN: Yes.

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BOLDUAN: What are the types of behaviors or actions that the system flags? How does it work? HUBERMAN: Yes. You know, so we use as many as 25 different data variables to identify problematic patterns. These are patterns that again, the researchers identified. When you see these patterns, you know you're going to have problems, and you're going to know you're going to have them with specific officers.

And so what we do is we analyze all of the data, we look for these kinds of problematic patterns and then we provide that information. It's very disruptive to police leaders, to organizations like the Minneapolis Police Department, the Minneapolis chief so that they can intervene, they can determine what are the right next steps to hopefully get the officer back on track, or at the very least, intervene before you have horrific incidents of the type that we've seen on video occur.

BOLDUAN: Yes. And Ron, this is an impossible kind of question, but it is kind of the fundamental question that you're looking at in Minneapolis, right? Like, can you say with any level of confidence that a data analysis that like what your company can provide could have or would have prevented George Floyd's death?

HUBERMAN: Look, that's a very complicated answer, the question is related to that specific case. What I can tell you is this, Kate, I can tell you that there are identifiable patterns that unequivocally identify off track problematic conduct. I can tell you unequivocally that what the data shows that when you have an officer involved in problematic conduct, they tend to work with other officers involved in problematic conduct. And that can create a core of problems, whether that's in a precinct, whether that's in a part of town. And what we do is we partner with police agencies to identify where you have those problems, so that you can get in front of it.

And what's really different about this next chapter, police reform, because as you know, as I know, this has been talked about for 100 years. There was the professional model policing that was supposed to solve in the '50s, problem-oriented policing in the '70s, community policing in the '90s. And nothing -- from a committee perspective, there's been a lot of great progress, but fundamentally, we can see from the rage across the nation that things haven't changed.

And what I would argue is the single biggest difference about the opportunity before us for this next chapter, police reform, however it will be written is whether we use modern data tools to identify where the problem exists and take action. Because the --

BOLDUAN: Look, and more data and more transparency, I think is definitely, definitely part of the solution going forward. That's for sure. Ron, thank you very much for coming on. It's really interesting. I really appreciate your time.

Coming up next for us, a new sign that the economic pain of the pandemic continues. One and a half million Americans filing unemployment claims last week. First time unemployment claims. What this means for the road ahead. We'll be back.

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BOLDUAN: New jobless numbers are out this morning. They show another 1.5 million Americans filed for first time unemployment claims last week, which means 44.2 million Americans have applied for benefits in the past 12 weeks since the economy shut down over the coronavirus.

Joining me right now is Mark Zandi, Chief Economist at Moody's Analytics. It's always good to have you here, Mark. What can -- what do you think people can learn from these numbers this week, and also the trend that we're seeing?

MARK ZANDI, CHIEF ECONOMIST, MOODY'S ANALYTICS: Well, the trend is things are improving. I mean, if you go back a few weeks ago, a couple months ago, we were getting 6 million, 7 million initial claims for unemployment insurance every week. So we're making progress. But the other message here is that we got a long, long way to go. You know, just to give you a context in a, you know, reasonably good economy, we would be getting 200,000 to 250,000 initial claims for unemployment insurance.

So, 1.5 million is a lot better than 6 million, 7 million, but it's a long way from 200,000 to 250 k, that means a lot of people are still losing their jobs. And that indicates this recovery is going to be a slog. It's going to be difficult.

BOLDUAN: Yes. And in terms of the recovery, the Fed chair suggesting now that when it comes to unemployment, full recovery is unlikely to occur until what, 2022? I mean, do you see that as well?

ZANDI: Yes, that seems very likely to me. I mean, we'll get a burst of jobs here as businesses continue to reopen this summer. So June and July, August will feel pretty good. Unemployment will come down. But I think on the other side of Labor Day, the unemployment rate is going to settle in pretty close to double digits. You may be high single digits, and that's where we're going to stay until we get a vaccine therapy. Something that's widely adopted and distributed across the globe.

And even after that, we've got a long hole to dig out of. So, I think the Federal Reserve's forecast is very consistent with mine, you know, even under, you know, the best of circumstances, it won't be until 2023, 2024 until we get back to get out of that hole and get back to something we all feel comfortable with.

BOLDUAN: OK. Then also help make sense of -- on the screen, we have where the big board where the Dow is now, it's down over 1,000 points today. But make sense of kind of the overall what's really been the market bouncing back really aggressively and quickly.

ZANDI: Yes, well, it's a couple things. I mean, one is the Federal Reserve has got investors back. I mean, the Federal Reserve yesterday said, for example, that they will not be raising interest rates until after 2022. So if you're a stock investor, you hear that and you say, OK, that sounds pretty good. That takes away my downside risk here, and I'm going to buy stock. And of course, the other reason I think investors, you know, they were by the kind of sort of hoping that there wouldn't be any re- intensification of this virus. No second wave that, you know, we're off and running here.

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This is going to be the so called V-shaped recovery straight line forward. And I think they're starting to, you know, reevaluate that. Clearly, the information we're getting with regard to the virus isn't all that encouraging. And, you know, then you listen to the Fed chair tell you look, this is going to be a long, difficult road.

I think those things came together unless the correction today in the market. And, you know, I don't think the script in this markets been fully written. There's still going to be tested, it's not going to be straight line up.

BOLDUAN: You've said that you think that we're out of the recession that began back in February. When you talk about kind of the uncertain road ahead, what do you think the chances are that will dip back into another one before this is out?

ZANDI: Well, yes. I mean, that a call that we're out of recession is based on two big ifs. If, number one, is if we don't have a second way, you know, and, you know, that's a pretty tenuous assumption. The second is the policymakers. Congress and this administration come together pretty quickly or in the next few weeks and pass another package of fiscal rescue, help to state and local governments so that they don't continue to lay off hundreds of thousands of, you know, middle income workers, teachers, fire, police, those kind of thing.

And additional support for all the unemployed, because as I said, on the other side of Labor Day, we're going flat and unemployment is still going to be close to 10 percent. If those unemployed workers run out of support, they're going to run for the bunker, and this economy is going to go back into recession. So we will avoid a recession if we, you know, do the right thing here, and don't have that second wave and we don't -- and we do get the kind of policy support that we need.

BOLDUAN: Yes. Good to see you, Mark. Thank you.

ZANDI: Sure, thanks.

BOLDUAN: Coming up for us, a big announcement from NASCAR. Banning the Confederate flag from all racetracks. How this major move is being received by drivers and fans?

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BOLDUAN: A historic move by NASCAR, it is banning Confederate flags from all of its events and races. This is after the sport's only full- time African-American driver Bubba Wallace, he called for the change.

With me now CNN's Sports Anchor, Andy Scholes. Andy, what has been the reaction to this move?

ANDY SCHOLES, CNN SPORTS ANCHOR: Well, Kate, you know, many people are applauding NASCAR for finally making the decision to ban the Confederate flag. You know, Bubba Wallace was on CNN Monday night speaking with Don Lemon and that's when he said, you know, the Confederate flag has no place at big time sporting events like NASCAR races and it should be banned. And 48 hours later, his voice was heard, NASCAR making the decision to ban the Confederate flag at their events going forward. And Wallace, he reacted to that news earlier on "Good Morning America".

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BUBBA WALLACE, RACE CAR DRIVER: They're in a tough situation. They've been in a tough situation for a really long time now, but I think this is the most crucial time and the time is of the essence right now in the world that we're in, in the nation that we're in to create change and create unity and come together and really try to be more inclusive. It takes all of us, it takes all lives to come together and create change, create unity, love and compassion for everybody.

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SCHOLES: Now, the decision to ban the flag came just hours before Wallace got into his car and race in his car that had a "Black Lives Matter" paint scheme. Wallace ended up finishing the race 11th, it was his best finish -- Cup finish ever at Martinsville. And Wallace say, considering everything that's going on right now, it was the most important race of his life.

Now there were no fans at Martinsville last night, Kate, but there will be fans at NASCAR races soon. In Miami on Sunday, they're going to have about 1,000 fans there. And then at Talladega, in Alabama on June 21st, they're going to allow 5,000 fans. So that's when the first potential for the Confederate flag to show up at a race would be Miami or Alabama in the coming days. And NASCAR has not yet announced how they plan to enforce the ban of the Confederate flag. So we'll have to wait for that.

BOLDUAN: Yes, that's a good question. Thank you, Andy. Appreciate it.

Coming up for us, CNN has just confirmed that U.S. spy planes were flying over recent protests. New reporting coming in. We'll have that for you right after the break.

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BOLDUAN: CNN has learned government's spy planes were flying over several of the protests sparked by the killing of George Floyd. CNN was able to track several aircraft both piloted and unpiloted flying over protests in Washington, Minneapolis, and Las Vegas. Government watchdogs fear the planes were used to track protesters and perhaps capture cell phone data.

For much more on this, let's go to CNN Aviation Correspondent Pete Muntean, it was his new reporting. Pete, what is going on here?

PETE MUNTEAN, CNN AVIATION CORRESPONDENT: Well, Kate, I've been following this for more than a week trying to figure out exactly why these government airplanes were loitering over protest cities. And now Congress is demanding that they stop fearing that these flights were being used to capture the cell phone data of protesters on the ground.

I want to show you this flight path from June 1st, which is a key night in this whole narrative. That's the night that protesters were forcibly cleared from out in front of the White House. This flight took off from a NASA's Regional Airport in Northern Virginia climbed to about 17,000 feet and circled Washington, D.C. 20 times at low speed. Now the actual plane here is a Cessna Citation business, yet rather innocuous enough, but I can tell you from my experience as a pilot flying around the airspace in Washington, D.C., this plane would not be allowed to loiter in the highly restricted airspace over Washington.

I also want to point out here what is on the belly of the plane that is not standard. Congress -- you can see that bump there in front of the wing, says, that that may have been used to carry what's called a dirt box, a device used to capture cell phone data of those on the ground. Now we know this was not the only flight that took place over protest cities. A National Guard RC-26B typically used for drug interdiction circled over protests for several nights in D.C., in Las Vegas.

Now this is the type of plain use that infrared camera, as what's on the bottom and it can track anything that gives off heat. Now we know the FBI is not specifically confirming or denying its involvement in these flights. The West Virginia has confirmed its involvement in -- West Virginia National Guard has confirmed its involvement in these flights. What we do not know is whether or not these flights actually stole data from those on the ground and government watchdogs are calling this a major overstep. Congress asking for more --

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