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Atlanta Mayor Demands Immediate Reform Of Police Department; Beijing Calls New Outbreak Severe And Uncertain; Trump Due To Sign Executive Order On Policing; Police Officers Quit In Flashpoint Cities; Supreme Court Rules In Favor Of LGBTQ Rights In Workplace; US And Russia Relations Under Pressure; A View On How To Talk To Kids About Racism; Model Projects 200,000 plus U.S. Deaths by October; U.S. Surgeon General Urges Americans to Wear Masks; EasyJet Resumes Flights for First Time since March 30; English Premier League to Return Wednesday. Aired 1-2a ET
Aired June 16, 2020 - 01:00 ET
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OPAL TOMETI, CO-FOUNDER, BLACK LIVES MATTER: And we're seeing a sea change in this moment. And it's really heartening.
WATT: I'm Nick Watt in Los Angeles. And this is CNN.
JOHN VAUSE, CNN ANCHOR: Hello, welcome to our viewers joining us from around the world.
Coming up this hour on CNN newsroom.
Guardians, not warriors. Atlanta mayor demands immediate reform to her police department after yet another killing of an African American man by police.
Beijing on a war footing and lockdown as the number of new coronavirus cases continues to climb. And Communist offices calling the outbreak severe and uncertain.
And the moment footie fans have been waiting for. The English premier league returning to the pitch.
After three weeks of nationwide demands for racial justice in the U.S., the Atlanta police department seemed to prove that, even if those demands have been heard, there is a long way to go before they are met.
Rayshard Brooks was shot dead by police. He'd fallen asleep in his car at a drive-through restaurant. That sparked widespread protests.
The city's mayor says it was murder and has issued new guidelines for use of force by police.
Charges for the officer who shot Brooks could be announced as early as Wednesday. The officer has been the subject of multiple complaints. President Trump says he will sign an executive order on policing later today, but we're hearing the reforms will be modest at best with the real heavy lifting left to congress.
Meanwhile, the widow of Rayshard Brooks is making it clear she does not want his death associated with any further violence. She wants to keep the name of her husband, as she puts it, positive and great.
CNN's Martin Savidge begins our coverage.
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MARTIN SAVIDGE, CNN CORRESPONDENT: The wife of Rayshard Brooks is calling for those protesting her husband's death to remain peaceful.
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TOMIKA MILLER: He was a sacrifice for people to see that black lives matter. And I hate that it was my husband whose life was sacrificed, but we have to stand up for our people.
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SAVIDGE: For a third straight day, crowds take to the streets of Atlanta. This demonstration called "March for Justice" ended up at the state capital.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Say I am --
CROWD: I am.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: -- somebody.
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VAUSE: Friday night, two white Atlanta police officers are called to reports of a car blocking a drive-through at a Wendy's restaurant.
They find Brooks, a 27-year-old father of four seemingly asleep. This is police body camera video of the incident that for 20 minutes seems normal.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Mr. Brooks.
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SAVIDGE: Officers suspect Brooks has been drinking. As a solution, Brooks offers to leave his car behind and walk to his sister's home.
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RAYSHARD BROOKS: I can just go home. I have my daughters there now, my three -- my daughter's birthday was yesterday.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: All right. Hold on, Mr. Brooks. Will you take a preliminary breath test for me. Say yes or no?
BROOKS: I don't want to refuse anything.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It's yes or no. It's completely up to you.
BROOKS: Yes, I will.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK.
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SAVIDGE: Brooks fails the test and, as police attempt to arrest him, a struggle begins. Brooks manages to get ahold of one the officer's tasers and runs.
What happens next is seen by a surveillance video. Officer Garrett Rolfe gives chase, transfers his taser to his left hand, and reaches for his gun. Brooks turns back towards the officer pointing the taser, firing it.
Officer Rolfe drops his taser, draws his gun, and fires three shots.
An autopsy report reveals Brooks is shot two times in the back and rules his death a homicide.
In an interview with CNN, Tomika Miller said their daughter with always associate her birthday with her father's death.
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MILLER: She'll forever remember this birthday as the day that my daddy was killed, the day that my daddy was murdered. Not just the day that my daddy died or passed away because he didn't just die of natural causes or pass away. This is the day that he was murdered.
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CROWD: Rayshard Brooks.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Say his name.
CROWD: Rayshard Brooks.
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SAVIDGE: Protesters took to the streets. Saturday they blocked the main highway through downtown, shutting off traffic. Police in riot gear moved in to make arrests.
Then at the Wendy's where the shooting occurred, demonstrators began breaking windows, fires broke out on the property before someone torched the inside. Police are searching for a suspect.
Speaking on CNN, Fulton County district attorney Paul Howard says he's considering criminal charges against the two officers but is waiting on more evidence.
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PAUL HOWARD, DISTRICT ATTORNEY, FULTON COUNTY: One of the things that we must attempt to finalize before we make a decision is to confirm the ballistics. We try to make sure that the projectiles in the body of Mr. Brooks, that we can expertly trace them to a firearm.
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SAVIDGE: Meanwhile, Tomika Miller wonders what the two officers may be thinking now.
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MILLER: Do they sympathize with my family? Do they feel sorry for what they've taken away? That's what I want to know. If they had the chance to do it again, would they do it the same way or would they do it totally different?
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SAVIDGE: Atlanta's chief of police resigned within 24 hours after the shooting. As for the two officers, the one that is believed to have fired the fatal shots, that's Garrett Rolfe, he's been fired from the police force. The other officer assigned to desk duty.
Meanwhile, Brooks' family and the city waits to hear if those officers will be brought up on charges.
Martin Savidge, CNN, Atlanta.
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VAUSE: Redditt Hudson is the co-founder of the National Coalition of Law Enforcement Officers & Justice Reform Accountability. He also served on the St. Louis PD.
And it is good to have you with us, Redditt. Thank you.
REDDITT HUDSON, CO-FOUNDER, NATIONAL COALITION OF LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS & JUSTICE REFORM ACCOUNTABILITY: Good to be with you.
VAUSE: OK. I would like you to listen to the mayor of Atlanta who says now is the time for immediate change. And the changes she's talking about are just interim measures.
Here's some of what she's talking about.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) MAYOR KEISHA LANCE BOTTOMS, ATLANTA: Whereby if a police officer sees
another officer using force which is beyond a reasonable under the circumstances, that they are duty bound to intercede and prevent that use of force. And must immediately report the use of such force to an on-duty supervisor.
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VAUSE: She's also talking about a requirement for the use of de- escalation techniques before, obviously, the use of deadly force.
This all kind of seems fairly basic stuff, doesn't it? Shouldn't police already be doing this, why does it need to be spelled out? And the fact that it does speaks volumes.
HUDSON: They should be. And I think that there many departments around the country that already have those policies in existence. The issue is adherence to the policy.
And so as far as new training for departments, such as the mayor of Atlanta alluded to, which is still a sound suggestion, whether it's basic or not, it has to do more with accountability. If you're not adhering to your training and you're not held accountable, no matter how good your training is, it's rendered meaningless.
The best training for officers around this country is accountability.
If Derek Chauvin, for example, who sadistically murdered George Floyd goes to prison for a significant part of the rest of his life, that will be excellent training for the remaining officers in Minneapolis the next time they have a suspect under their care and control and under their power, handcuffed -- making a decision about whether to murder that person or not.
That's really good training. Across the board.
VAUSE: There seems to be, though, a general consensus building here that maybe we're past the reform stage. And this continual excuse of just a few bad apples doesn't really hold up.
Because if it's just a few bad apples then why did the entire Buffalo emergency response team resign? Fifty-seven officers, as a show of support for two suspended officers who shoved a 75-year-old protester to the ground and left him bleeding there.
And I'd like you to listen to the dispatch call from Minneapolis. This was when George Floyd was pinned down with a cop's knee on his neck. Listen to this.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I don't know. You can call me a snitch if you want to but we have the cameras up for 320's call. I don't know if they had to use force or not. They got something out of the back of the squad, and all of them sat on this man.
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VAUSE: She starts out by saying she doesn't want to be a snitch. Something's wrong here, right? Something's wrong within the entire police around the country.
HUDSON: Well, that reflects a toxic culture. Police culture in this country is what it is, and there's a level of toxicity in it. Much of which is fueled by institutional racism that has to be eradicated.
And I do agree that we are at a point where we are beyond traditional ideas about reform.
You know, we can't tinker around the edges with a little bit of a twist to a policy here, twist to a policy there.. We're at a stage in the development of public safety response in this country, where there needs to be fundamental change in the way that we come out to help people in the community.
You've heard a lot about defunding the police. I think it's better described as reallocating funds from police departments to go toward resources in the community, agencies in the community, that better respond to the kinds of problems that we get called out for.
When I was on the streets in St. Louis, widely recognized as one of the most dangerous cities in the country, sometimes ranked as one of the most dangerous cities in the world, over 50 percent of the calls I responded to wound up being referrals to a different agency better equipped to handle what it is that we had been called out for.
But there's no question -- and this idea that it's just one percent or a small percentage of officers, bad apples, it's ridiculous.
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I've got a friend and a colleague, his name is K.L. Williams, who wrote use of force policy for the St. Louis police department.
And he says, I believe correctly, that on any given day in a major city, you have 15 percent of your officers who are going to do the right thing all the time. You've got 15 percent of your officers who are going to abuse their power at every opportunity, whether that's planting evidence on somebody, stealing the drug money.
That leave 70 percent of your department that could go either way, depending on which 15 percent wields the greatest influence on that department. Unfortunately, consistently, it is that 15 percent that abuses their
authority of power, many times.
VAUSE: And that's only because -- sorry to drop in.
HUDSON: Based on (INAUDIBLE)
VAUSE: And then 70 percent just doesn't say anything too. It just sort of sits back and allows it to happen in a passive way.
HUDSON: Yes.
VAUSE: We are expecting the U.S. president to sign an executive order on Tuesday, implementing a number of police reform measures.
This is what Mr. Trump had to say about it on Monday.
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DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: And we're going to have some solutions, I think some good solutions. And some of it, as you know, it's about great people. We need great people in our police departments and we have mostly great people. I would say that.
I would say that with certainty. We have mostly great people, I know so many of them. Law enforcement.
But we will do better, even better. And we're going to try and do it fast.
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VAUSE: Given the fact that there is -- I think there is no one within his administration who publicly admits that there is systemic racism in America.
HUDSON: Basically the opposite. Yes.
VAUSE: Yes. It does not exist. So what are you expecting from this executive order from the president? What can he actually do?
HUDSON: I would have to see what's in it. I'm sure he has no idea what's in it, right?
Whoever wrote it for him probably has weighed the political winds and decided to try to align something in the document that they're going to produce with the massive consensus that you see building around the world, around the idea of reforming the public safety response.
Donald Trump himself is full of empty platitudes and emptiness in general. He's a criminal imbecile that I have very little confidence in. We'll see.
VAUSE: And a very good point to end on, Redditt. Thank you. We appreciate you being with us. Redditt Hudson there from St. Louis. Thank you, sir.
HUDSON: All right.
VAUSE: Since the protests began, dozens of police officers have walked off the job, especially in some of the flashpoint cities.
In Atlanta alone, eight have quit in the past few weeks. We hear more from now from CNN's Josh Campbell.
And a warning. Some viewers will find images in his report disturbing. (BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)
JOSH CAMPBELL, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Tonight, the City of Minneapolis confirming to CNN that at least seven police officers have now left the department since the death of George Floyd last month.
And more than half a dozen are now in the process of leaving, departing for unknown reasons.
And it's not just Minneapolis. Other departments around the country are seeing police officers head for the exits, either publicly resigning from tactical teams or leaving their departments altogether.
From Buffalo, where two officers were suspended earlier this month after shoving an elderly protester, 57 officers resigned from the department's emergency response team.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Get your knee.
CROWD: Off my neck.
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CAMPBELL: To Florida, where the Hallandale Beach swat team saw ten resignations after city officials, including the police chief, took a knee with protesters.
Officers there say they feel minimally equipped, undertrained and restrained by politics.
To Atlanta, where six officers were charged and arrested earlier this month for excessive use of force against demonstrators.
That incident followed on Friday by the police shooting of Rayshard Brooks, an African American man killed after officers attempted to arrest him for a suspected DUI. Brooks had taken one of the officer's tasers in a scuffle and fired it at police as he ran away.
The Atlanta police chief abruptly resigned. The district attorney there says possible charges against the officer who shot Brooks could include felony murder.
A police union official warns this climate will lead to more departures.
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VINCE CHAMPION, REGIONAL DIRECTOR, INTERNATIONAL BROTHERHOOD OF POLICE OFFICERS: What we're suffering with in Atlanta I believe is we are playing politics. We are bowing down, if you will, to try to appease the rioters.
If he gets charged without the due process and everything, I think you're going to find those officers who are senior, who have the time in to get their retirement and leave, they're going to start leaving.
I think you're going to start seeing officers trying to find another place to go.
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CAMPBELL: Other law enforcement experts say Brooks' killing appears unjustified. And as a nation remains on edge, have a message for those considering dramatic mass resignations.
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CHARLES RAMSEY, CNN LAW ENFORCEMENT ANALYST: I understand the internal workings of a police department, the emotion and all that sort of thing. But you've got a job to do and we are in the middle of the crisis across the country. This is not the time to quit.
And so I don't have very much tolerance for that sort of thing.
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VAUSE: Thanks to CNN correspondent, Josh Campbell, for that report.
Well, a landmark ruling from the U.S. supreme court supreme court in favor of the LGBTQ community. The court decided that a long-standing law against workplace discrimination based on sex extends to people who face bias because of their sexual orientation or gender identity.
President Trump's first appointee, Neil Gorsuch, wrote the six-to- three ruling. It comes a week after the trump administration lifted health care protections for transgender people in healthcare.
Lockdowns and mass testing. Beijing on a wartime footing as the coronavirus makes an unwelcome return to the Chinese capital. More on that in a moment.
And a mockery of justice. U.S. officials condemn Russia's sentencing of a former marine accused of spying.
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DR. MICHAEL RYAN, DIRECTOR, HEALTH EMERGENCIES PROGRAM, WORLD HEALTH ORGANIZATION: When you spent over 50 days without having any significant local transmission, a cluster like this is a concern.
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VAUSE: And he's talking about Beijing, where at least 29 neighborhoods are under lockdown because of a new cluster of new cases of the coronavirus linked to a food market, one of the biggest in China, one of the biggest in Asia.
CNN's Ivan Watson has more.
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IVAN WATSON, CNN SR. INTL. CORRESPONDENT: They're throwing away food in Beijing's largest market, a purge triggered by a new outbreak of coronavirus in the Chinese capital.
Since last Friday, authorities say they have detected scores of new locally transmitted cases. Most of the new infections trace back to this place, the Xinfadi market, in the south of Beijing.
This sprawling wholesale hub distributes more than 80 percent of the fresh produce that feeds this massive city. The market is now closed due to coronavirus.
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PANG XINGHUO, DEPUTY DIRECTOR, BEIJING CENTER FOR DISEASE PREVENTION & CONTROL: These coronavirus cases have perhaps come in contact with a polluted environment in the market or have come into contact with someone who was infected who then passed on the virus to them, so they had it.
For this reason, shutting down Xinfadi agricultural trading market is necessary
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WATSON: Less than two weeks ago, Beijing was easing coronavirus alert levels. But now officials enforce a strict lockdown on residential compounds around the market.
They've launched a huge coronavirus testing spree. Beijing authorities say they've collected tens of thousands of samples in a matter of days and announced plans to contact trace an estimated 200,000 people estimated to have visited the market in the last two weeks.
The Chinese government clearly does not want a repeat of what happened last winter when this new virus exploded in the city of Wuhan and then spread like wildfire around the world.
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"There's no way Beijing becomes Wuhan 2.0," the editor-in-chief of one party-controlled tabloid wrote. "The world will see China's powerful capacity in controlling the epidemic," he added. "We will win again."
WATSON: China's now in a race to stop the outbreak. Officials say they've already tracked down several[LS1] cases that spread from the market in Beijing to at least two neighboring provinces.
But one important question experts haven't been able to answer yet is how the virus was introduced to this market in the first place.
Ivan Watson, CNN, Hong Kong. (END VIDEOTAPE)
VAUSE: Brazil reported more than 20,000 new cases of the coronavirus on Monday, bringing the nationwide total to almost 900,000.
The virus continues to spread as Brazil marks one month without a health minister. The last two were either fired or resigned after trying to work with President Jair Bolsonaro. At one time, Bolsonaro called the virus a little flu.
Along with his attorney general, he's calling for investigations into hospitals claiming some politicians may be inflating their numbers to receive increased government funding.
A former U.S. marine now faces 16 years in prison in Russia after having being convicted of espionage. Paul Whelan insists he was framed.
Trump Administration officials are furious. It's the latest strain in relations between Washington and Moscow.
We get details now from CNN's senior international correspondent, Matthew Chance.
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PAUL WHELAN: Nothing was translated, Your Honor. I don't know what you said.
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MATTHEW CHANCE, CNN SR. INTL. CORRESPONDENT: Even as he was sentenced, Paul Whelan protested his innocence. Holding up a sign calling this Russian espionage trial a sham and appealing to President Trump to intervene.
After the 16-year prison term was imposed, the U.S. secretary of state expressed outrage. "A secret trial," he tweeted, "with secret evidence," demanding that the U.S. citizen's immediate release.
There was criticism from U.S. diplomats in Russia too of what's become yet another sore point in relations with Moscow.
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JOHN SULLIVAN, U.S. AMBASSADOR TO RUSSIA: It's a mockery of justice. I can't say I'm surprised.
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CHANCE: It was at this upscale Moscow hotel in December 2018 where the former U.S. marine was arrested for accepting a USB flash drive which Russian security officials says contained classified material.
Whelan has always denied any wrongdoing.
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WHELAN: I want to tell the world that I'm a victim of political kidnap and ransom.
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CHANCE: Dubbing himself a political hostage to be traded, something the Kremlin vehemently denies.
But the idea has been floated by Russian officials in the past. And Whelan's own lawyer now says the sentencing could be used to push for an exchange with an Russian in U.S. jail.
At this point, the Cold War-style prisoner swap may be Paul Whelan's best hope of escape.
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VAUSE: And Whelan's attorney says there will be an appeal.
Well, amid a long overdue conversation about race, how do you talk to your kids about it, about racism? We'll have some advice for parents in a moment.
And as U.S. states rush to restart their economies, researchers predict the coronavirus death toll will double and then some in the months ahead.
The very latest in a moment.
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JIDE ZEITLIN, CHAIRMAN & CEO, TAPESTRY: We moved very quickly to fortify our financial position, and we think that that was a critical part in being able to think really long term about our people.
We really focused on leading with our values when it comes to people. And that's our people, that's our consumer, and that's also broadly the communities that we're a part of.
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VAUSE: Well, demands for racial justice have started a much-needed conversation around the world.
But one of the tougher conversations is between parents and their children. And, as always, there's a right way and a wrong way to have that talk.
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CROWD: This is what democracy looks like. (END VIDEO CLIP)
VAUSE: Joining us is Aisha White, the director of the P.R.I.D.E. Program, Positive Racial Identity Development in Early Education, at the University of Pittsburgh school education and the office of child development.
Aisha, thanks for being with us.
This isn't really a straightforward answer to this question about what to say to kids. There's not one talk, there are a lot of talks. What a white family says may be different to what a black family discusses, what you say to kids who are four is different to what you say to them when they're 16.
But are there general principles that hold true, no matter the age or ethnicity of the family?
AISHA WHITE, DIRECTOR, THE P.R.I.D.E. PROGRAM: Yes. So the important thing is for families to begin to have the conversation and have that conversation on a consistent basis.
Another thing that we advise parents is that they should actually do some internal work and think about their own racial journeys, what their racial experiences have been. So that that conversation they begin with their child is very authentic and organic.
And they also should begin by having conversations first with adults so they have some practice. Believe it or not, researchers suggest that parents practice having these conversation with adults before having them with children.
VAUSE: So do young kids -- when we're looking at what's happening with these rallies now because we've seen kids taking part in these demonstrations -- is there a place for them at these? As long as it's peaceful, I guess -- these peaceful demonstrations. Is it a good idea for them to be attending, at a very early age?
WHITE: Yes. I think that young children may not fully understand what's happening around them, but they can see that it's something that their parents or their other relatives are very committed to and passionate about.
And so that's a good experience for them to have, as long as it ends up being a safe experience.
VAUSE: So when you're thinking about exactly having this talk, when a kid is young, what do you say? How do you explain racism to a young kid?
WHITE: Well, I would take a step back and say you probably don't want to begin by explaining racism to young children before you start talking to them about race in general.
So the beginning point, I believe, is having a conversation with children about differences. And really specific differences; differences in skin color, in hair texture, in facial features, things like shape of eyes. And helping them understand why people look different.
And if you start them out that way and start them out with information that's very objective and in some cases scientific then you are laying the groundwork for them learning about race in ways that don't have biases attached to them.
VAUSE: Is that --
WHITE: And then what -- I'm sorry, go ahead.
VAUSE: I was going to say finish your thought. Well, I can pick it up, if you like.
Because there are some studies which have shown that kids, they're not bigots, they're not born racist, it's a learned behavior.
A few years back, researchers found that beliefs about race that contribute to prejudice take a long time to development, when they do. And that their development depends, to some extent, on the neighborhoods in which the children grow up.
Is it fair to say that what parents are saying right now and how they act around their children, especially white parents, can go a long way towards ending racism?
WHITE: Towards ending racism?
VAUSE: Yes.
WHITE: Well, I don't think the conversations will end racism. I think a combination of conversations and then action and then reflection on action and then refining that action and being engaged in specific targeted activities and efforts will begin to chip away at racism. But conversations alone will not.
And I would also add that sometimes children learn about race based on where they live, but all children learn about race based on the entire U.S. environment, and in some cases, the international environment.
And by that, I mean that they consistently get messages about whiteness being preferred.
And that might not necessarily come from the home, it could come from things like what they see on the news stand at the grocery store, who they see at their doctor or their nurse, and what they see on television and other kinds of media. So it comes from being kind of enveloped in this whole world of whiteness.
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And there is a well-known scholar. Her name is Beverley Daniel Tatum. She described it as smog -- racism as smog -- and something that you might not always be able to see but all the time you're breathing it in. And because you're breathing it in, you eventually breathe it out. JOHN VAUSE, CNN ANCHOR: You know, for most kids they love the police.
You know, they're little and they play cops and robbers. So how do you explain to a little kid, you know, that policeman shooting that black man in the back or he's got his -- he's got his knee on that guy, that black man's neck and he can't breathe. How do you deal with that as a parent?
WHITE: Well, depending on the age of the child, you might not even want to start talking about the police with them because it may be at least in situations like that because it may be a little too scary for them.
And I don't want to use that same old story of people saying that there are good and bad policemen because it's a lot more complicated than that. It has to do, not only with individuals, but also with systems. And so it is something that you might not be able to explain to a young child unless you can explain what systems are because that's not an easy concept for them to understand.
VAUSE: Yes. We're almost out of time but just very, very quickly -- so when it comes to explaining to the kids exactly what is going on at the moment, what is the best piece of advice?
WHITE: Well, the best piece of advice I think is to help children understand that you will help to keep them safe because what they are seeing is if they're watching the news and I recommend that they not watch the news if they're under a certain age. Let's say that if they are say five and under maybe you should keep them away from the television when the media continues to repeatedly show those images.
But I would say that the most important thing for parents to do is behave in ways that they believe represent being open and honest and human to all people. and your children will model that. And also engage in conversations with your child starting at a very early age.
VAUSE: Yes.
WHITE: And I would add that most people don't know that children can actually tell the difference in skin color as young as three months old. And so you can't talk to a 3-month-old, but you can talk to a one-year-old and a two-year-old and a three-year-old.
VAUSE: Good advice to finish on. Aisha -- thank you so much for being with us.
WHITE: You're welcome.
VAUSE: A widely cited scientific model now projects that the coronavirus could kill more than 200,000 people in the United States by October. That's up from last week's projection of 170,000. Researchers say those numbers rose partly because some states have been easing restrictions too soon.
CNN's Erica Hill reports many of those places are starting to see higher infection rates.
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MAYOR DAN GELBER, MIAMI BEACH, FLORIDA: People really got to take this seriously. It's not -- this is not an all-clear where people can do whatever they want.
ERICA HILL, CNN CORRESPONDENT: The mayor of Miami Beach not ruling out new mandate for his city, one of the last in Florida to reopen as cases across the state continue to rise. More than 2,500 new cases added on Saturday, a third straight day of record high numbers.
They are up in Texas too. And it's not just because there is more testing.
DR. UMAR SHAH, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR, HARRIS COUNTY TEXAS DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH: The question I am getting asked a lot is, you know, did reopening or did other events have something to do with this. And some saying no, it didn't. And the answer is absolutely it did. The hard part is to know how much.
HILL: Across the country, 18 states seeing the number of new cases trend up over the past week.
In Oklahoma, also deep orange on the map. Tulsa recorded its highest daily increase of cases on Friday. President Trump is scheduled to hold a campaign rally there this weekend. The county health director telling the local paper, he wishes it could be postponed to a time when the virus isn't as large a concern.
GOVERNOR ANREW CUOMO (D), NEW YORK: People are violating everything, everything.
HILL: In New York State, more than 25,000 complaints about businesses and patrons breaking the rules. Governor Andrew Cuomo tweeting this video of packed streets and few face coverings.
CUOMO: There are a lot of conscientious people who paid a very high price, did the right thing and they don't want other people ruining it for them.
HILL: The Surgeon General encouraging Americans to wear a mask, tweeting, "Face coverings bring more freedom."
Dr. Anthony Fauci, in a new interview with "The Telegraph" urging people to keep them on when chanting and screaming at demonstrations, estimating real normality likely won't return until at least next year.
The CDC now recommending all close contacts of confirmed cases should be tested not just quarantined and monitored.
South Carolina Congressman Tom Rice announcing on Facebook today, he and his family are recovering from the virus, though calling it the "Wuhan flu". Last month, he told CNN he did not wear a mask on the House floor because he was socially distancing.
[01:34:55] HILL: And the FDA revoking emergency use authorization for
hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine based on new evidence that they may not be effective to treat COVID-19 and could have adverse health effects.
DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: Hydroxychloroquine, try it.
HILL: President Trump repeatedly touted the drug without evidence.
Erica Hill, CNN -- New York.
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VAUSE: Anne Rimoin is a professor at the UCLA Department of Epidemiology, and director of the school's Center for Global and Immigrant Health. She is with us from Los Angeles. Good to see you.
DR. ANNE RIMOIN, UCLA DEPARTMENT OF EPIDEMIOLOGY: Good to see you.
VAUSE: Ok. You know, at first, we were told masks -- no use in preventing, don't wear them. Said they won't do anything. They are no good unless it's an N-95.
Then we're told the mask was good, but don't go out and get them because the health care workers need them.
Then we are told, ok, they're good at preventing someone who's asymptomatic from spreading the germs. You're going to do it for everybody else.
And now we have this from the National Academy of Sciences which looked at this. They say our study establishes very clearly that using a face mask is not only useful to prevent infected coughing droplets from reaching uninfected persons, but it's also crucial for these uninfected persons to avoid breathing the minute atmospheric particles that infected people emit when talking and they can remain in the atmosphere tens of minutes and can travel tens of feet.
So wear a mask, don't wear a mask? Where are we at? What's your advice?
RIMOIN: Wear a mask --
VAUSE: Hallelujah.
RIMOIN: That's what everyone should be doing. And there is -- the evidence for this has been mounting. Listen, you know, we have over the course of the last few months, we've learned quite a bit about this virus, how it spreads and how we can prevent infections. And the evidence has become very clear that masks work.
VAUSE: Let's just be clear though. Masks work because usually we're told you're doing this selfless act. The mask won't protect you from getting the virus, but it will stop someone from getting it from you if you're asymptomatic. But now it's both ways, right? RIMOIN: Well listen, the thing is about masks is that it depends upon
the masks, it depends upon the quality of the mask, it depends upon how these person is wearing the mask, and nothing is going to provides perfect protection against infection.
But a mask -- any mask will definitely provide some measure of protection. Some will provide more than others. And so the fact of the matter is at the very least, what a mask will do is to keep your droplets to yourself as I like to say and make sure that you are not spreading to other people.
And there can be added value. There can be added benefit of having some protective benefit as well, but it really depends upon the mask and how the mask is worn.
VAUSE: Yes. Because the 95 in N-95 is like 95 percent effective against catching all viruses and other stuff -- right. And then you get back to those surgical hospital masks, which a lot of people are wearing, they're about 70 percent effective in helping you not catch a virus. And then you go down to the pieces of cloth or whatever the cloth masks which are about 30 percent. Have I got those numbers about right?
RIMOIN: I don't actually know the exact numbers for this and the data has been coming out which, you know -- we haven't really been studying this before in great detail. And so we are only just now learning about this.
But the proportion of what you are saying is exactly the truth. What we know is that masks will provide protection and a cloth mask provides probably the least amount of protection, but it still does a good job of protecting other people from you. The next, of course, being the surgical mask and then an N-95, absolutely.
These are all very important options. And as we have looked at other countries that have been able to stop the spread of the virus and do a really good job of keeping infection rates low, there are all countries where people have been wearing masks and adopted mask- wearing very easily. You know, our problem is that all of a sudden masks have become politicized and something about, you know -- something about liberty versus -- you know, science.
And the fact of the matter is that masks will make a difference. And the more people wear masks, the sooner we'll be able to -- be able to stop the spread of the virus or rally reduce stop the spread of the virus. And so it's in everybody's best interest.
VAUSE: Absolutely. But where -- wear outside all the time, inside all the time, crowded areas -- what. Again -- because, people are not going to wear masks all the time. The bottom line. They want to take them off when they feel it's safe. So where is it safe or safer not to wear a mask?
RIMOIN: When you are in a public space, you should wear a mask. When you are home, when you're with other people that you do not need to protect or be protected from, that you are living with then you can take the mask off. You don't need to be wearing a mask at home.
But for example, for people who have been out protesting or have been -- have not been socially distant, my recommendation is, if you go home and you can't self quarantine, if you live with other people, if you have to go to work, wear a mask. You're going to protect other people from you. So that's a perfect example of when you should be wearing a mask.
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RIMOIN: So if you are in a home where you are living with people who might be more vulnerable than you are or you have put yourself in a situation where you may have been exposed, wear a mask. And wear a mask all other times when you are outside. It's the right thing to do. You protect other people and we will be able to reduce the spread of this virus.
VAUSE: It is the right thing to do. That's the key.
I wanted to talk very quickly about a vaccine which many non-masks wearers are counting on, I think. But something which I haven't really heard about here when we're talking about a vaccine is the definition of success.
Is it enough for a vaccine to prevent, you know, a severe round of COVID-19? Does it also need to prevent moderate rounds of COVID-19? Does it need to prevent it altogether? Does it need to stop transmission? What are we looking at here? What are we striving for in a vaccine?
RIMOIN: Well, you know, no vaccine is going to be perfect. But a vaccine that can do any of the things that you have just -- that you have just listed will be an important stride. It will be a very important move forward that will help us be able to return to normal.
If we are less afraid of getting this virus because it becomes a less severe infection -- that is a major, major move in the right direction if it means that you are 40 to 60 percent protected against the virus, like we are with most flu vaccines, that's a major, major improvement on where we are right now.
So any vaccine that can make a change in how severe the virus is or whether or not we get it or can spread it to other people is important. What we'll end up with, we'll see. The data is not out yet.
So we're still waiting to learn more about what these vaccines or, what the data looks like and what kind of protection they can provide.
VAUSE: Anne Rimoin -- you are awesome. Thank you so much. It is great having you with us. Your advice and your expertise is so much appreciated. Thank you.
RIMOIN: It's my pleasure.
VAUSE: Well after an 11-week grounding, EasyJet is back in the air. But Europe's second busiest carrier said it will be three years before business returns to pre-pandemic levels.
More on that -- to the live report in a moment.
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VAUSE: Welcome back -- everybody.
A tentative return to the skies Monday for EasyJet after being grounded for almost three months. The budget carrier is operating at around 30 percent capacity flying mostly domestic routes.
CNN's John Defterios has more on this, live from Abu Dhabi.
So John -- you know, the airline isn't expecting to return to pre- pandemic traffic, I guess, until what 2023. So will it be able to survive until then?
JOHN DEFTERIOS, CNN EMERGING MARKETS EDITOR: Well, it's going to be slimmed down for sure. And they're going to be cutting staff. They're going to be cutting 15 percent at EasyJet. So it's pretty severe, I think (ph), now and then probably going up to maybe 30 percent as time rolls on here.
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DEFTERIOS: It's almost a carrier that's in a deep coma that is just coming back to life, if you will, because it had a 10-week hiatus and is now trying to open up roots in Europe (ph). But to put it into context it's 300 flights this week and in April before they had to do all the cancellations. They had 47,000 flights scheduled.
So the CEO is suggesting here as he rolls out the schedule, it's like a staircase and they're climbing it very slowly to try to take advantage of the European travel season. Let's take a listen.
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JOHAN LUNDGREN, CEO, EASYJET: By July, we are hoping that we basically going to recover 50 percent of the whole of network (ph) but, mind you, when you look at it from a capacity point of view throughout July, August and September, it's only about 30 percent, what we'll be operating compared to what was originally planned. But it's a great first step.
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DEFTERIOS: A great first step, but you're thinking about it -- John, it's 30 percent of volume by the end of September, so they have a two and a half month season and they're trying to open up these European destinations.
If you look at the top destinations in Europe that -- it always has Spain and Italy at the top, in the top five. Germany and the U.K. making it into the top 10. And this will be the concentration for them. But this is a low-cost carrier that is dependent on fast turnarounds and volume. And originally EasyJet, for example, was going to leave the center seats open. They're not talking about that anymore and in fact the CEO says I feel completely comfortable in this new environment with 100 percent capacity and we don't need to follow this two-meter social distancing that we see outside the planes in society.
This is a challenge to convince tourists, that's for sure.
VAUSE: What -- there's some kind of special bubble inside the plane where the coronavirus doesn't exist.
DEFTERIOS: That's what I was wondering.
VAUSE: One of the issues facing EasyJet -- this 14-day quarantine for tourists arriving in the U.K. is not common in other countries around Europe. Is there a way to quantify or put a dollar figure on how big of a hit that will be to the airline's bottom line?
DEFTERIOS: Well, it's not about the bottom line, but what I find interesting here is a particularly a thorny issue for the U.K. carriers that have to serve there or like a Ryan Air that's based in Ireland -- so we have British Airways, EasyJet and Ryan Air coming together to challenge the U.K. position.
So we are waiting for that in this very critical window before the end of June to see if they can get a ruling here. It's extraordinary because the U.K. has the highest cases, as you know, in Europe -- the highest deaths surpassing Italy. But at the same time they're suggesting we have to lockdown people that come in for two weeks.
it's just not workable -- John if you think about somebody who's trying to come into the country at a top destination around the world in London, for example, which is highly populated.
Here is the CEO with a response to what needs to be done.
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LUNDGREN: The quarantine which they put in place, you know, dampens that effect. And we also saw that at the first stage of the virus when quarantines were in place, that they actually killed off very much of demand that is out there. So it's absolutely crucial for us to make sure that those quarantines are lifted or replaced with something that makes better sense.
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DEFTERIOS: So if you think about it, John -- they have to try to push here to have a new policy. That was quite shocking because the European Union is starting to open up. They're trying to create what you're calling here is a bubble within the major E.U. destinations.
And a lot of these countries, the U.K. is as suggested in the top 10, but you think about Italy, Spain, Greece, even Germany kind of surprise me as being in the top 10. They want to try to tap this two and a half month window and the U.K. is sending a very different signal. It will be interesting to see when this ruling comes down.
But having 75 percent of capacity by the end of September is quite extraordinary for EasyJet as it tries to rebuild. And by the way, seeing the layouts here that they're planning 30 percent, Ryan Air at 15 percent, BA and many other carriers around the world are saying, it will take until 2023 to restore confidence in this industry and get back to what was the normal in 2019.
VAUSE: Yes. John -- thank you. John Defterios there in Abu Dhabi -- in your living room, I think this time. And good for you there. Thanks -- John.
Well, after three long months, one of the biggest football leagues in the world is set to return -- a bright spot in the midst of a pandemic.
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VAUSE: NFL commissioner Roger Goodell says he would support a football team signing free agent Colin Kaepernick who was effectively the sidelined by the league since 2016. This over backlash for kneeling during the national anthem as a protest against police brutality.
Last week in a video statement, Goodell said the league should have listened to players, their concerns about racism. In that statement he did not mention Kaepernick.
Meantime, Major League Baseball may or may not be returning for a new season. The baseball union says players are disgusted because on Wednesday baseball commissioner Rob Manfred said he was quote, "100 percent sure there would be a season." But on Monday he told ESPN he's not so sure because there has been no talk between the owners and the union.
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ROB MANFRED, MLB COMMISSIONER: It's just a disaster for our game. Absolutely no question about it. It shouldn't be happening and it's important that we find a way to get past it and get the game back on the field for the benefit of our fans.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Would you describe your feelings as confident that there will still be a season?
MANFRED: I am not confident.
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VAUSE: The players association says this is about extracting increase pay cuts from the players, as part of what it calls a bad faith campaign.
There's no such trouble in the U.K. for the English Premier League, which is about to make its long-awaited return. First matches are set for Wednesday.
CNN World Sport's Don Riddell is with me now for more.
So Don -- the premier league, its' the world's biggest domestic football league, the famous. It has been missed around the world to say the least. So what can we look forward to now that it's coming back?
DON RIDDELL, CNN WORLD SPORT: John -- good to see you.
A hundred days -- can you believe that? A hundred days since we last saw a ball kicked in the Premier League. Hopefully, it's all going to be worth the wait now that it's coming back this week.
Liverpool obviously the biggest storyline. The most dominant team in the country who raced into an extraordinary 25 point lead and who are right on the brink of clinching their first league title in exactly 30 years.
It is surely now inevitable that they will do it and it would have been incredibly cool if they had been denied it.
Here's what you need to know. They only need two wins from their last nine games and if Man City lose to Arsenal (ph) in their first game back on Wednesday, then actually Liverpool would only need one win. And that could be in their own city against Everton on Sunday.
VAUSE: Just one thing -- was there ever a point -- was there any serious talk or == about the league just sort of giving everything up, walking away, and never coming back on like it is now?
RIDDELL: Well, there was never a guarantee that it was going to be finished. I mean just look around Europe. The Scottish League, Dutch League and League in France never returned. And there was a great deal of concern about the Premier League especially given that the U.K. has one of the highest death totals from coronavirus in the world and packed stadiums are super spreader events.
But there is so much money at stake that nobody seemed to really want to cancel it. And the return of the Bundesliga last month in Germany showed how it can be done safely. Obviously, there won't be any fans at these games. The option of fake crowd noise will be piped in through television speakers, but that is a whole lot better for sports fans than the alternative.
VAUSE: Where there's a money, there's always a way, I guess.
RIDDELL: Yes.
VAUSE: We're looking at one of the first games that will feature Arsenal manager Mikel Arteta. So he is a survivor, if you like.
RIDDELL: Yes, how fitting that he's involved in the first game. One of the most prominent people in Europe in football to actually contract the coronavirus back in March. And it was the news of that which prompted the Premier League to screech to a halt.
If it wasn't for that, at least one more round of games would surely have been played in England and tens of thousands of fans would have been packed into stadiums spreading the virus around. So I guess, unwittingly Mikel Arteta may well have saved a lot of lives.
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MIKEL ARTETA, MANAGER, ARSENAL: I think about it, and I thought the night that I started to have some symptoms, how serious I was. And it was a matter that I could not make a decision, that it had to be reported because obviously I would put in risk a lot of people and I wasn't willing to do that.
I love this game but we have bigger responsibilities than that to do that. I think we made the right call and the right decision and (ph) the authorities on the Premier League as well. I'm really strong on that. And I think I agree with you that it
could've been much worse.
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VAUSE: Mikel Arteta looking well at least. You know, so much has changed there though. Like the last game, what March 9th? That was a world away, you know. That was ancient history, you know. And were not just talking about, you know, the world in a pandemic and you know, COVID-19.
There's been a sort of global awakening as well on racial issues and a lot of players, in the United States or the professional sportsmen around the world, in the U.K. all making their voices heard as well.
RIDDELL: Yes. And we've seen that in recent weeks with players in Germany, Italy and Spain have demonstrably come out in support of the Black Lives Matter movement.
Several players have displayed slogans and messages of supporter. The weekend actually Real Madrid's defender Marcello knelt on one knee and prominently raised his fist. I'm pretty sure that we're going to see something similar across these games when the Premier League returns. Players in England were already vocal about racial abuse and social injustice.
One of the most prominent actually is Manchester United striker Marcus Rashford. Now, you may recall at the start of the coronavirus episode, U.K government picked on overpaid Premier League Football players and tried to make an example of them for not doing enough to help in times of hardship.
Well, many of them ended up being very charitable and now the shoe is on the other foot, so to speak. Rashford has already raised $25 million for a food distribution charity, and he's just written an open letter to politicians in Britain urging them to keep the school meal voucher program going throughout the summer holiday. (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
MARCUS RASHFORD, MANCHESTER UNITED: I'm just hoping they do it as soon as possible. I know that they've mention that, they usually do this, you know, this time of year, summer holidays. But because of COVID, the situation has been completely different for everyone in the world.
You know, my mom was a single parent and she's got five kids that was all living in the same house. And that moment was the most difficult moment. She's working very hard to put food on the table, and then it's the stress on her shoulders that affected her after we made our dinner.
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RIDDELL: An old wise head on some very young shoulders there. Marcus Rashford has done an incredibly good throughout this coronavirus episode. Now, of course, he's looking forward to getting back into action on the field.
John -- back to you.
VAUSE: Yes. Good for him. Good one to finish on -- Don. Thanks, appreciate it.
Ok. Thank you for watching CNN NEWSROOM.
I'm John Vause.
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