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Trump Wanted Testing Slowed Down, Used Racist Term For Coronavirus; Trump's Return To The Campaign Trail Goes From Bad To Worse; Six Trump Campaign Staffers Working On Tulsa Rally Test Positive For Coronavirus; Spain Ending COVID-19 State Of Emergency; Anti-Racism Protests To Resume In London; Some U.K. Companies To Pay Reparations For Slavery; Trump Offered To Help Erdogan In Justice Department Probe. Aired 4-5a ET

Aired June 21, 2020 - 04:00   ET

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DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: We just saw it outside. You saw these thugs that came along.

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NATALIE ALLEN, CNN ANCHOR (voice-over): Empty seats: President Trump blames non-existent violent protesters and the media for lower than expected turnout in Tulsa. During the rally, the president said something about the coronavirus that should make all Americans pause. The White House now doing damage control over it.

Also, you're fired.

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ALLEN (voice-over): Trump resorting to his "Apprentice" days to remove a powerful U.S. prosecutor investigating Mr. Trump's inner circle.

Live from CNN headquarters in Atlanta. Welcome to our viewers in the U.S. and around the world. I'm Natalie Allen. CNN NEWSROOM starts right now.

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ALLEN: Thank you for joining us.

U.S. President Donald Trump's return to the campaign trail wasn't as dramatic as he had hoped. But the much smaller than expected crowd at his much hyped rally in Tulsa Saturday didn't discourage him from attacking protesters, Joe Biden, the media and coronavirus testing.

The Trump campaign said almost 1 million people requested tickets for the rally. But an outdoor event was canceled when only dozens of people showed up. And at the main event inside the BOK Center, many seats in the upper stands were left empty. Here was Mr. Trump trying to paint the protests outside the arena as violent. (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

TRUMP: The Left is trying to do everything they can to stop us. Every hour of every day, including even violence and mayhem, they will do anything they can to stop us.

Look what happened tonight. Look at what happened tonight. Law enforcement said, sir, they can't be outside. It's too dangerous. We had a bunch of maniacs come and sort of attack our city. The mayor and the governor did a great job. But they were very violent people.

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ALLEN: Some were wondering what he was talking about because the Tulsa police tweeted out that the protests had been largely peaceful, although they used crowd dispersements later in the evening. In the arena the president spent a long time defending his awkward walk at West Point. That one.

He also mocked Joe Biden, describing his Democratic rival as a puppet of the radical Left. And astonishingly, he said he wanted to slow down COVID-19 testing so fewer cases would be reported. The disease has killed almost 120,000 people in the United States but in describing it the president even used a racist term.

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TRUMP: By the way.

It's a disease without question. Has more names than any disease in history. I can name kung flu. I can name 19 different versions of names.

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ALLEN: The White House quickly tried to backtrack Trump's comment about testing and officials saying the president was just kidding. CNN's Ryan Nobles was at the rally. Here's his report.

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RYAN NOBLES, CNN CORRESPONDENT: President Trump kicked back off his campaign for reelection and also Oklahoma on Saturday night. The first campaign rally the president has been able to have since early March after the break out of the coronavirus pandemic. The president hoping for a big crowd. Leading up to event he was promising as many as 120,000 people inside and maybe up to 50,000 outside.

It did not turn out to be the case. They were unable to fill this venue and there ended up never being a program. Outside the president blamed the slow attendance on protesters outside, saying they were denying people access to the venue and also blaming the news media, saying we were scaring people. Leading up to this event because our coverage of the coronavirus pandemic.

We should point out we had reporters outside the venue all day. Very few protesters at all. Some entrances of a very short time. This did not prevent 50,000 people from getting inside this venue.

The president had a very long speech, here almost 2 hours, talked about a number of topics including Joe Biden. Also spent quite a bit of time talking about that awkward walk he had down the ramp at West Point and also closed with a strong message trying to convince the voters here that he deserves of four more years in office -- I'm Ryan Nobles, CNN, Tulsa, Oklahoma.

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ALLEN: As the president vilified and blamed protesters for keeping the crowds away he also said there were some, quote, "very bad people" outside. But CNN reporters saw no evidence of that. Martin Savidge was outside the arena.

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MARTIN SAVIDGE, CNN NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: These are the largest crowds of protesters that we have seen today, actually. And the numbers of protesters actually began building after the president started speaking.

Throughout much of the day, as the rally was being organized and people were starting to make their way in, there were only about 200 protesters.

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SAVIDGE: They were greatly outnumbered by Trump's own supporters.

But then several hours later, you began seeing the streets fill up with protesters. Most of them representing Black Lives Matter or causes like those that have been demonstrated against for the past couple of weeks, who were running right into, of course, many of those who were inside for the president's rally.

So a potentially dangerous mix but, so far, it has been peaceful. It's boisterous, it's loud and, yes, there are a lot of face to face confrontations. But the protesters continue to work their way through the streets, blocking traffic but really nothing more, so far -- Martin Savidge, CNN, Tulsa.

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ALLEN: Natasha Lindstaedt is a professor of government at the University of Essex and a frequent guest on our program. She joins me from Colchester in southeastern England.

Glad to have you.

The president was met with a smaller crowd then his aides had promised but it was a large crowd. It was a big arena. Let's talk about his performance, Natasha, what you thought of his speech. At some point he called himself the champion of minorities and

pointing the fingers straight at Joe Biden for what he said was Biden's abysmal record in supporting black Americans. That was one aspect.

NATASHA LINDSTAEDT, PROFESSOR OF GOVERNMENT, UNIVERSITY OF ESSEX: Right. I do not think he can really say that he supports minorities. This would've been a great opportunity to talk about Juneteenth and what it represents.

Instead he decided to spend 10 to 15 minutes rambling on about how he went down or was walking down a ramp and he did nothing to really reach out to all Americans.

It makes me wonder, does he not realize that he is the president of the United States and not just the president to this increasingly shrinking group of his adoring fans?

At one point, as you mentioned, he referred to the coronavirus as kung flu. I don't know how he's going to attract Asian Americans with these types of comments. He spends most of his time spewing out lies or falsehoods or inaccurate accounts.

What would appeal to the independent voter if they were hearing this rambling speech?

What in there would resonate with them?

I also want to point out the way he refers to the Democrats as this unhinged less left-wing mob. That doesn't focus on reaching across the aisle and trying to unite people.

ALLEN: And the rally comes in a time when his poll numbers are dropping, so one would think it would be good to unveil a strategy for why he deserves a second term.

Did he do anything like that?

LINDSTAEDT: No, there was no strategy. It was he was just trying to attack the Left, trying to attack protesters. He did focus a little bit on the monuments because that is something that played well to the crowd. But it is more like a stand-up comedy routine. It is recycling the same old comments over and over again and talking about things that are basically untrue and that could be easily fact checked.

But he did not really offer much. And it is interesting that he did this going to a state that he won by 35 points and he could not even fill up the stadium. It was about two-thirds full. This was all about him.

It was not about campaign strategy. He is going to a place where he thinks he's going to get a lot of adoration, which he needs, because his ego feeds off of this. And he was not even able to accomplish that.

ALLEN: Do you think Republicans in Congress will be disappointed or perhaps what they want to hear for him beyond the type of things that you just shared?

LINDSTAEDT: They are probably hoping that he will start talking about policy instead of getting distracted, just trying to get these, the base to support him, because they know, if we even look back to 2016, he did not win with a majority of votes in the popular vote. He will have to reach across to the middle a little bit to gain more support.

They are going to be concerned that this is going to affect their tickets as well, those that are running for Senate, Congress, they're going to be affected by the fact that he represents the Republican Party. He is the Republican Party.

They made this deal with him. And he is completely unable to talk about policies in ways that might connect with independents and other Republican voters that are not in his base.

ALLEN: Let's talk about the issue that so many Americans are involved in right now. During a speech he bashed protesters who support Black Lives Matter and police reform.

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ALLEN: Will this hurt him or help him with his supporters, if he continues to ignore an issue when these galvanized Americans are still in the streets.

LINDSTAEDT: We are seeing with the poll numbers that on average all the polls show that he has a 55 percent disapproval rate, which is incredibly high at a time when he is going to need those numbers to change.

So he is only speaking to this space that is not that large, not large enough for him to win the election. The other problem is that he has activated the Democrats and people who, in the past, may not have gone out to vote. Would have voted Democrat but did not want to vote.

We see him on the left side, the progressive side, people very active, more likely to vote than ever and he is doing nothing to unite people. That is going to be a problem.

ALLEN: Natasha Lindstaedt, we always appreciate your insights.

LINDSTAEDT: Thank you.

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ALLEN: The top federal prosecutor in New York, who has investigated some of the president's close associates, now says he is stepping down. Geoffrey Berman's resignation came a day after saying he would not resign.

Attorney general William Barr asked the U.S. president to fire him, which he says the president did. But curiously, the president says it was Barr's decision and he was not involved. Evan McMorris-Santoro unravels this very public power struggle.

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GEOFFREY BERMAN, U.S. ATTORNEY, SDNY: I'm just here to do my job.

EVAN MCMORRIS-SANTORO, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): On Saturday morning, Geoffrey Berman walked into his Manhattan office, vowing to keep working as one of America's highest profile federal prosecutors.

By late afternoon, he was replaced by presidential order. In between the dramatic battle between Berman, the U.S. attorney for the Southern District of New York, and William Barr, the U.S. attorney general.

Berman refused to step down Friday after Barr issued a surprise statement, announcing Berman had resigned, a move Berman said never happened.

On Saturday afternoon, Barr sent a letter to Berman, saying that because he refused to step down, the president had fired him and replaced him with an assistant U.S. attorney.

Berman is an experienced federal prosecutor and former defense attorney. He's also an active Republican. He donated $5,400 to President Trump's campaign in 2016, worked on the president's transition team and was a former law partner of Trump lawyer, Rudy Giuliani.

Berman was appointed to the influential position of U.S. attorney in 2018, after his predecessor, Preet Bharara, was fired after he refused to resign. The same thing has now happened to Berman.

After initial concerns over his past associations with Trump, Berman continued the Southern District's tradition of independence.

BERMAN: Politics does not enter into our decision-making on charging a case. We bring a case when the case is ready to be brought.

MCMORRIS-SANTORO (voice-over): The office has overseen prosecutions of high profile figures in Trump's orbit, including his former lawyer, Michael Cohen; Representative Chris Collins and two associates of Giuliani.

Friday night, Berman said, "Our investigations will move forward without delay or interruption."

All this comes as the Trump administration is actually removing government employees who have investigated and prosecuted Trump officials. Independents counsels have been removed by federal agencies. Federal prosecutors have alleged meddling from Barr in cases against Trump's former national security adviser, Michael Flynn, and campaign adviser, Roger Stone.

Trump has been considering removing Berman since at least the middle of 2018, two sources tell CNN. And now Berman is out of a job. Trump fired him but told reporters the ouster was Barr's call.

TRUMP: That's his department, not my department. But we have a very capable attorney general, so that's really up to him. I'm not involved.

MCMORRIS-SANTORO: Now that he's gone, what happens next is anyone's guess -- Evan McMorris-Santoro, CNN, New York.

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ALLEN: The now former U.S. attorney, Geoffrey Berman, said in a subsequent statement Saturday he would leave his office effective immediately. That was, as you saw, after attorney general William Barr sent him a letter, saying that president Donald Trump had removed him.

President Trump stirred up controversy at a campaign rally talking about the coronavirus. Ahead here, why his comments on testing have health officials worried.

Also, we take you live to Spain, where the country is opening most of its E.U. borders and lifting their state of emergency. A live report from the Madrid airport.

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TRUMP: When you do testing to that extent, you're going to find more people, you're going to find more cases. So I said to my people, slow the testing down, please.

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ALLEN: A White House official says the president was not being serious when he said that.

But is the coronavirus anything to joke about?

Oklahoma, where that rally was held, is one of many states seeing an uptick in cases and the virus has now killed nearly 120,000 Americans on the president's watch. For more, Dr. Keith Neal joining us from Derby, England, an infectious disease physician and professor emeritus at Nottingham University.

Professor, thanks so much for coming on. Good morning.

KEITH NEAL, PROFESSOR EMERITUS, NOTTINGHAM UNIVERSITY: Going.

ALLEN: President Trump perhaps did not get the crowds he promised but there were thousands at the rally and about 90 percent without masks. That was the estimate. And there are plans for another rally in a state that is spiking as well with cases.

Are these rallies reckless? NEAL: I wouldn't say reckless but they essentially are not very clever. I think the answer quite clearly, throughout Europe we banned mass gatherings. And when this was looked at across the 28 to 30 countries in Europe, it was suggested that was the most important thing to stop and slow the spread of coronavirus, was banning mass gatherings of any form.

I think the wearing of -- and it's also some of the -- we have had demonstrations of Black Lives Matter in this country and other parts of Europe. They are more outside, so the risk is less.

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NEAL: But there is still a risk in any mass gathering, whether inside or outside. And most of the mass gatherings that were evaluated were essentially inside -- outside mass gatherings. Inside makes it worse.

ALLEN: During that rally he made a joke about testing, saying, if we slowed it down, it would slow cases. He said it was a joke but that's not really true, is it?

Our Dr. Sanjay Gupta reported the increase in cases is outpacing the increase in testing?

NEAL: I think one of the ways to stop this COVID-19 is to do more and more and more testing. Currently, many parts of Europe we are testing so pane (ph) people our positive rate is one percent to two percent. That's not much that much higher of people with symptoms in the background population.

So the more people you test, the more people you can isolate and contact trace and slow the spread. My message would be more, more, more testing.

ALLEN: Right, because the U.S. is approaching 120,000 deaths with spikes in several states and these states continue to open up. We know that Europe, didn't it, stayed locked down a bit longer and that might be why they are not seeing this resurgence that we're seeing in the United States.

NEAL: I think looking at the figures in the United States, some from your own websites and others from the BBC, was that this is really lots of different outbreaks all rolled into one country. I mean, you have 50 different states.

Looking at the numbers in Montana and Hawaii, they are very different from the states in the Northeast. And from the diagrams I have seen, charting rate of change of cases, the Northeast cases, they are falling but in the South and the West they are increasing, which is consistent with different epidemics in different states across your country.

ALLEN: Right. It's hard to understand because every state is doing it their own unique way. It's hard to keep up. So we've also seen this tug-of-war with people not wanting to wear masks and not caring about social distancing. And you have some governors not coming down harder on people to do that.

So it's hard to convince people to wear masks and social distance if they don't care about it.

What would be your message to the leaders of these states if they want to try to keep opening and not see these surges in the number of cases?

NEAL: I think that you need to separate social distancing from mask wearing. And I feel sorry for your governors who happen to make this decision because the WHO one day said masks and 24 hours later said the exact opposite.

I think the science of masks is not as good as we'd like. I think the strongest argument for using masks is in places where you can't stay more than one to two meters apart, such as public transport, particularly tube-type trains and railways, where people are facing each other, and other crowded areas.

Social distancing is something we are getting used to in Europe. I think the case for wearing masks, if you can stay two meters apart, is weaker. When I go shopping, we queue outside to get in.

It's easy to keep two meters apart or one meter apart very easily. I think just walking past somebody poses minimal risk. I tend to be in and out of shopping in under 15 minutes. The WHO recommends 15 minutes at one meter puts you at risk.

ALLEN: Me, too. I don't get a basket. I'm in and out. Professor Keith Neal, we appreciate your expertise. Thank you so much.

NEAL: Thank you.

ALLEN: Well, Sunday could prove to be a monumental day for Spanish tourism. The one-time coronavirus hotspot is now reopening its borders to other E.U. states, with one notable exception, Portugal. This coincides with the country lifting its state of emergency as well.

For more I'm joined by journalist Al Goodman. He is joining us from the Madrid airport with what's expected there today.

Hello, Al.

AL GOODMAN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Hi, Natalie.

What's already happening is the flights are starting to land very slowly, not -- the masks that you usually see at the airport but one has arrived from Milan, another landed from Paris and another from London is due in the next hour.

Still what the Spanish government is calling this new normality is not quite what the usual normal looks like.

This is the main arrivals hall at one of the -- the terminal 4 of the airport, the only one of the four that's open. That tells you how little traffic there has been. People have been coming through those doors. But still we are seeing some very emotional scenes here. A couple of Spanish sisters hugging, not social distancing.

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GOODMAN: Hugging as they got to meet for the first time in three months. We talked to an Italian businessman coming off that Milan flight, who said he is happy to be traveling again.

We talked to a French jockey coming off the Paris flight, who is heading to the Madrid horseracing track. He is happy to be here. He will be happier if he wins some horse races.

There are still restrictions in place. Everyone in Spain 6 years and older has to wear a mask in public places if they can't maintain the social distancing of about 1.5 meters or 5 feet.

And inside behind me here in the arrivals hall for those passengers coming in from abroad from the other European countries this day, there are tests. They have to fill out a card showing how they can be located, if there is an outbreak and authorities need to contact trace them.

They are subjected to a temperature control and also to a visual control by medical personnel. If they see anything at all suspicious, they will be sent over to medical facilities in the Madrid region.

The same thing at the other airports. The toll from the three months coronavirus pandemic here in Spain, 28,000 deaths, 245,000 cases. Authorities say they are opening up, they want the economy to restart, they especially want the tourism economy to restart.

Such a fundamental part here of Spain with so many jobs at stake. But they are urging people to maintain caution, keep their social distancing and remember the virus is not yet finished-- Natalie.

ALLEN: Absolutely. We so hope it goes well. Thanks so much. Al Goodman there in Madrid.

Well, just because they could social distance doesn't mean they did. How COVID-19 factored into President Trump's return to campaign rallies.

Also, Black Lives Matter signs are popping up in the United States and around the world.

Is the issue of reparations for slavery?

We will talk about that with our guest coming up.

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ALLEN: Welcome back to our viewers in the United States and around the world. I'm Natalie Allen. This is CNN NEWSROOM.

President Trump's first campaign rally in more than 100 days drew controversy and a smaller than expected crowd. The upper decks of the arena there in Tulsa, Oklahoma, were largely empty and an outdoor speech was canceled. COVID-19 was a likely factor for the crowds but Mr. Trump and his team blamed the media and protesters.

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TRUMP: Today, it was like, I've never seen anything like it. I've never seen anything like it. You are warriors, thank you, we had some very bad people outside. We had some bad people outside, they were doing bad things.

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ALLEN: The Tulsa police used crowds dispersements but police said the protests were largely peaceful. Gary Tuchman has more from Tulsa.

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GARY TUCHMAN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: This is the overflow area outside of the BOK arena. People now streaming out of the arena. It's far more crowded here now than it was during the speech. And the idea was for it to be very crowded during the speech.

The idea was for President Trump to speak on that stage before he went inside the arena, before thousands of people standing on the street. But because the stadium wasn't full, this ended up not being full. And the decision was made to cancel President Trump's speech outdoors.

There was a big screen TV behind me that was on during the speech but there were only about 15 or 20 people there watching the speech.

We can tell you one thing is people did not think that the rally should be held, a lot of people, including the health director here in Tulsa County, because COVID-19 rates are at their highest in this county since this all began.

But it did take place. So that's a victory for the Trump campaign but it's not a victory because they thought there would be a huge turnout. They talked about 1 million people coming and it turned out they couldn't even fill up a 19,100-seat arena.

But it was held. People were checked for their temperatures, they were offered masks. Most people didn't wear the masks. President Trump didn't have a mask, either, but he didn't have to stand around five or six hours around lots of people for multiple hours -- this is Gary Tuchman, CNN, in Tulsa, Oklahoma.

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ALLEN: In Britain, protest leaders have consistently asked to meet with government officials to address racial inequity. Black Lives Matter demonstrators are rallying in London for a fourth weekend in a row with a march planned from Hyde Park to Downing Street in the coming hours.

Thousands of people have protested across British cities since the death of African American George Floyd in police custody in Minneapolis last month. Milena Veselinovic is standing by for us in London.

What's expected at this rally today?

MILENA VESELINOVIC, CNN PRODUCER: Good morning. Well, this rally is a second day in a row that protesters will gather. They want to carry on this momentum that has been building in the last few weeks, as you said.

There have been protests in many cities across the U.K. asking that Britain face up to its colonial past and also address the systemic issues of racism in society nowadays. There was a heavy police presence on Saturday because these protests are actually in breach of coronavirus lockdown rules.

However, many people wore masks and they were practicing social distancing. The government wants the people to stop protesting because we are in the middle of a pandemic.

But the leaders of this movement say they simply can't do that until authorities address the needs that they are marching for and one of the movement leaders has actually asked for a meeting with U.K. prime minister Boris Johnson and this is what she is calling for.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: To be treated fairly that's all we asked for, to be treated fairly and to be given justice for those who have been wronged. I think that's anyone's rights that lives in this world and that (INAUDIBLE) in this world.

We all have the right to feel equal and be treated equally. And there is a huge disparity when it comes to equality and ethnic people. That's why it is so imperative that we now ensure that we level things up to ensure that race, ethnic race, black people are treated just as importantly as everyone else in the society.

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VESELINOVIC: Now there has been a lot of conversation in the past few weeks about how Britain's own history of slavery is addressed here, especially in education.

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VESELINOVIC: It may not be immediately obvious to many people in Britain that Bristol and Liverpool played a major role in transatlantic slave trade. People want that changed and also to highlight the extremely positive contributions that many, many black people gave to British society, Natalie.

ALLEN: Milena Veselinovic, thanks so much. We will talk about what you just said right now.

In the U.K. some British firms are pledging to pay reparations as they come to terms with a slavery stained past. And the U.N. human rights chief also is urging countries to confront legacies of slavery and colonialism.

I want to talk about it with my guest, Kehinde Andrews, a professor of black studies at Birmingham City University and the author of "Back to Black." He joins me from Birmingham this morning.

Good morning to you.

KEHINDE ANDREWS, PROFESSOR OF BLACK STUDIES, BIRMINGHAM CITY UNIVERSITY: Good morning.

ALLEN: Two companies, including Lloyd's of London and Green King, say they will make reparations and also the Royal Bank of Scotland considering the same.

In what way are they considering doing this and do you think it's for real?

ANDREWS: Unfortunately, I don't think -- we are having this conversation about reparations and these companies, I mean, they are so -- we just can't underestimate how deeply embedded these companies are into the slave trade.

Lloyds of London, before it got its start, was a coffee house where they returned -- runaway slaves were returned to Lloyd's. The business model was predicated on slavery. The idea that 200 years later you can turn around and make a token nod, employ a few people, give away charity, is offensive and cheapens the idea of reparative justice.

ALLEN: If we get to this place, if it was to happen in some way, what form would you like to see reparations take?

ANDREWS: Well, it's been long standing campaigns for reparations, including the U.S. courts. Lloyd's was one of the companies named in one of the cases that went through the courts. People have talked about money. Money is a big part. There is a big financial gap, wealth that was taken from slavery still with us and so was the poverty for slavery.

A lot of this has to be about economics. Countries Jamaica, Barbados, they are asking for debt relief for educational programs. There are lots of practical ways this could be done if people wanted it.

ALLEN: The U.N. human rights chief called on countries to examine their past and strive to better understand the scope of systemic discrimination.

Do you think the global response in support of Black Lives Matter is going to cause real change?

ANDREWS: I would hope so but I think that we are in a moment where sometimes you forget this stuff isn't new. Like we just had these protests around these issues, these issues of racism and longstanding go back for centuries.

This is very much about the present, too. The racial inequalities we have, George Floyd treated the way that he was, these stereotypes from come directly from slavery and the slave trade. So if we are with honest about this we have to understand still today our world is equally shaped by the logic of racism and if we address that, it's much about that.

ALLEN: What of this argument from people oppose today that acknowledgment of the crimes committed and the lasting damage from it would worsen social tensions by reopening old wounds?

ANDREWS: They're not old wounds. For example, the Bank of England said they would think about an apology but neglected to mention that when to end slavery in the U.K. and the British empire there was about 100 billion pounds in today's money was given in compensation to the slave owners.

The money was so large the government had to take a loan from the Bank of England, which they only paid back in 2015. That was to compensate slave owners. Imagine the centuries we worked for free and after -- it's not like slavery ends and it's all well and good. No, there's poverty, racism, et cetera, et cetera and there's been no compensation.

So that's the scale we are talking about. That's why there are these social tensions. That's why you have the problems of racism you have because that damage was never repaired. You can't repair it until you start having a conversation about reparations.

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ALLEN: -- but it's up to leaders to step up to the plate. The U.S. is politically divided like never before.

What are the chances of reparations in the United States, especially under the Trump administration, which won't discuss or even mention Black Lives Matter?

ANDREWS: I mean, that's the problem, that if you have a campaign like that, it depends on people in power making these changes and on both sides of the Atlantic, whether here or America, I mean. (INAUDIBLE).

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ANDREWS: Well, having said that, if Joe Biden is elected, are we going to see huge reparative justice?

Probably not. I think the lesson is we need -- it's not leaders that make the difference here. It will be us. It will be the organizations. It will be the centuries of organizing, building alternatives, which we have been doing and will have to do.

At some point, and I think you see that with the protesters now, you have to give up on these -- America has had the most successful civil rights movement in history, has some of the best legislation in the world yet still produces these terrible outcomes.

So at some point we have to depend on ourselves and not look to a system that shows time and again they are not interested in black lives.

ALLEN: Well-said. We really appreciate your insights on this, your expertise. Kehinde Andrews, thanks so much for joining us.

ANDREWS: Thank you.

ALLEN: British police are investigating a stabbing attack Saturday in Reading, England, in which a man with a knife killed three people and wounded three others in a park. Police say they have arrested a 25- year-old local man at the scene on suspicion of murder and that they are not looking for any more suspects.

Armed police also raided a block of apartments nearby as they searched for a motive in this. Authorities say they are not treating the stabbings as terrorism at this time. Prime minister Boris Johnson calls the incident appalling and says his thoughts are with all of those affected by the attack.

And we have breaking news right now. Police in Minneapolis say a shooting overnight has left one man dead and at least 11 people with non-life-threatening wounds. Details are sketchy at this moment.

Minneapolis, of course, is where George Floyd died. It has been the epicenter of nationwide protests over police brutality. It is not clear if this shooting is related to that. We are looking into it. We will have more as information comes in to CNN.

A judge contradicts the White House and green lights the tell-all book written by the president's former national security advisor. Coming up, why the Trump administration still claims victory over John Bolton's book.

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ALLEN: Authorities in Atlanta have issued an arrest warrant in connection with the fire that burned down a Wendy's last week. They say that this woman, Natalie White, is wanted for first degree arson. The restaurant was set on fire after Rayshard Brooks' fatal encounter in the parking lot with Atlanta police.

In bodycam video, Brooks is heard telling officers that White is his girlfriend. Investigators say more suspects could be involved.

About 150 protesters gathered in Atlanta Saturday night outside of the Zone 3 Police Precinct. That precinct is less than two miles from the Wendy's restaurant where Rayshard Brooks was shot and killed by a police officer last week.

American flags were burned. One woman singing, "America the Beautiful" as she did. President Trump said he wants to make flag-burning illegal and called it desecration.

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TRUMP: We ought to come up with legislation that if you burn the American flag, you go to jail for one year. One year.

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ALLEN: That may be difficult. The U.S. Supreme Court ruled in 1989 that burning the American flag is free speech protected by the U.S. Constitution.

John Bolton, the former U.S. national security advisor for the president and now author of a blockbuster book on his time in the Trump White House, is making an astonishing accusation about the president and his Turkish counterpart.

Bolton says Trump suggested to Turkey's president that he would help quell an investigation into a Turkish bank suspected of violating Iran's sanctions. That investigation was being led by the New York prosecutor, whom Trump has just fired.

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JOHN BOLTON, FORMER TRUMP NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISER: The president said to Erdogan at one point, look, those prosecutors in New York are Obama people. Wait until I get my people in and then we will take care of this. I thought to myself -- and I am a Department of Justice alumnus myself -- I have never heard any president say anything like that ever.

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ALLEN: A U.S. federal judge has ruled that Bolton can publish his tell-all book. It's called "The Room Where It Happened," against the wishes of the White House. The judge blasted Bolton for going forward with it before getting White House approval to make sure he wasn't publishing national security secrets.

The ruling says the book does contain classified information and Bolton could be held criminally liable. That had President Trump claiming victory.

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TRUMP: We had a very good decision in the John Bolton book case. The judge was very powerful in his statements on classified information and very powerful also in the fact that the country will get the money, any money he makes.

I hope a lot of books sell, I probably don't hope that. But whatever he makes, he's going to be giving back. In my opinion, based on the ruling. He's going to be giving back.

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ALLEN: Bolton has suggested the White House retroactively classified details in the book improperly. The book is set to be released on Tuesday.

The site of President Trump's rally in Tulsa a few hours ago is notable for a century-old shame. Next we'll tell you about the Black Wall Street massacre which happened not far from where Mr. Trump spoke.

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ALLEN: President Trump's rally in Tulsa took place near a neighborhood that recently marked 99 years since one of the most horrific acts of racial slaughter in U.S. history. The area was known as Black Wall Street. Many Americans never learned about the massacre in school.

CNN's Randi Kaye has this look back. A warning: some of what you are about to see is graphic and may be difficult to watch but we believe it is important to bring you history as it happened.

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RANDI KAYE, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): In 1921, the Greenwood area of Tulsa, Oklahoma, was thriving. It was an affluent area, home to more than 300 black-owned businesses that became known as Black Wall Street.

MECHELLE BROWN, GREENWOOD CULTURAL CENTER: It was an amazing time for blacks in Tulsa.

KAYE: Despite all the success, African Americans we're still dealing with segregation and deep racial tension.

It came to a head beginning on May 30th, 1921, when a 19-year-old African American man was accused of assaulting a white woman in an elevator in downtown Tulsa.

BROWN: The elevator doors closed. And a few minutes -- few moments later, there's a screen, the elevator doors open and Dick Rowland runs.

KAYE: The woman never pressed charges but Dick Rowland was still arrested.

BROWN: By the end of the day, many whites were claiming that she had been raped in the Drexel Building.

KAYE: By the next day, May 31, 1921, a white mob had gathered outside the courthouse were Rowland was being held, promising a lynching.

BROWN: Lynchings were also common in Tulsa.

KAYE: A group of African American men went to confront the white mob at the courthouse. There was a struggle between the black and white armed mobs and shots were fired.

The African Americans retreated to Greenwood hoping to protect their property and families. But the white mob followed, killing African Americans and burning down everything in sight.

BROWN: They call in the National Guard, who was told that there was a Negro uprising and Negroes were killing innocent unarmed whites, so they fight it with the predominantly white police force.

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KAYE (voice-over): Nearly 6,000 African Americans were forcibly detained. While they were held, the white mob stole their valuables and burned their homes to the ground.

George Monroe was just 5 years old when the massacre happened.

GEORGE MONROE, RIOT WITNESS: The thing that I remember more than any other thing is when my mother looked out the front door and saw four men with torches coming down our sidewalk into our house.

KAYE: This woman's grandmother lived through it, too.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: There was really murder. It was a massacre. My grandmother was awakened at night and just told to run, just get up and run. And they ran. She was only nine. They ran for days.

KAYE: By the time it was over, at least 300 African Americans were dead. Many were buried in mass graves or piled on dump trucks and dumped in the Arkansas River, according to the Greenwood Cultural Center.

Thirty-five square blocks of property were destroyed, too, leaving most black families with only the clothes on their backs.

BROWN: This was about racism. This was about envy. They saw that blacks were -- many of them were very wealthy. And they were simply envious.

They would make comments such as how dare those Negroes have a grand piano in their home and I don't have one in mine.

We will not forget the history of Black Wall Street or the 1921 Tulsa race massacre.

KAYE: Randi Kaye, CNN, West Palm Beach, Florida.

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ALLEN: A horrible chapter in American history. I'm Natalie Allen. I will be right back with another hour of CNN NEWSROOM.