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Top Intelligence Office Informs Congressional Committees It Will No Longer Brief Them On Election Security; Jacob Blake's Family Organizes March In Wisconsin; Dr. Peter Hotez Discusses Vaccine Trials; Father Of Jacob Blake Speaks In Kenosha, WI; CNN's "Represented" Features Patrisse Cullors, Co-founder Of Black Lives Matters. Aired 4-5p ET

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ANA CABRERA, CNN HOST: You are live in the CNN NEWSROOM. I'm Ana Cabrera in New York.

We begin this hour with breaking news. President Trump's director of national intelligence defending the decision to stop in-person briefings for lawmakers on election security. Intel officials saying there's concern about the unauthorized release of sensitive information.

Now, members of Congress will only get written reports, which means they won't be able to ask the typical questions. This surprise announcement coming just 66 days before the presidential election amid warnings that both Russia and China are trying to interfere in the process.

It also comes at a time of racial reckoning for the country. These are pictures out of Kenosha, Wisconsin, today, where Jacob Blake's family has organized a march. He is the black man shot seven times in the back by a police officer. Blake's family strongly disputing a new account of what happened by the police union. We should warn you, this video is disturbing.

Now, the union claims Blake fought with officers before the shooting, even putting one of them in a head lock. They say Blake had a knife on him, which he refused to give up. Blake's uncle calls their version of events insulting and garbage, and the family attorney insists Blake did not pose an imminent threat.

Meanwhile, Blake remains in the hospital where his father says he was shackled to his bed until just yesterday.

CNN's Sara Sidner is in Kenosha where a march planned by Blake's family got under way last hour.

And, Sara, what have you seen? What are you hearing?

SARA SIDNER, CNN NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Now, there are now thousands of people who are in the streets here. This is members of the Black Panthers here who have -- to the family and the family is just coming through. If you see a gentleman there in the yellow shirt, that is Jacob Blake's uncle, Justin Blake, who has been talking to me quite a bit about why he is so pleased to see the turnout here in Kenosha.

There are people from Chicago. There are people from Milwaukee. There are people from Kenosha who have come here in support of Blake's family.

They have been chanting things like, "I love black people" and, you know, "no justice, no peace." This is all in reaction to the shooting of Blake who was shot seven times in the back by an officer. The -- of course you talked about the police association and what they have been saying as to what happened and what precipitated the shooting. There is a lot of back and forth between them and the family. They say he was armed with a knife, the family saying with his back turned to an officer, how does that pose an imminent threat?

And in the meantime, there are other charges against Jacob Blake, though he has no longer been cuffed to his bed as a paralyzed person, police backing off of that, and they have vacated the warrants that are out for his arrest.

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CABRERA: And just listening into the protesters here as they are chanting no justice, no peace.

Sara Sidner, I understand we're expecting the Blake family to show up at this march. What do you know about that?

SIDNER: The Blake family is here, as I mentioned, Justin Blake, the uncle of Jacob Blake, here along with, I think, some of the nephews and cousins also here and they are expected to speak at some point today. They helped organize, actually, this rally, his Uncle Justin.

They were also in D.C. the march on the Washington, talking about what they see as police brutality against black folks in this country, saying that it must stop, that they are hoping that Jacob Blake is the last person who ever has to go through something like this at the hands of police. You also have this other story that is burgeoning here and involves a 17-year-old white boy who is named Kyle Rittenhouse.

He is charged with the murder of two people and the attempted murder of a third person here in the streets. He had said that he was coming here on social media to protect businesses. He showed up with a semiautomatic rifle in the streets here and ended up being the only one accused of deadly violence during all of these protests that have gone on now for almost a week now -- Ana.

CABRERA: And, Sara, you know, as we watch these images and the huge crowd of people there, it was the night when the shooting happened, not the Jacob Blake shooting, but when the shadowing that turned deadly for protesters there, and that was several nights ago.

Have there been ongoing protests that have remained peaceful every night since?

SIDNER: Yes. Yes. There have been ongoing protests. Some of them smaller. This is probably one of the largest ones that we have seen since all of this began.

This has been absolutely peaceful. The only thing you're hearing with chants from people saying, black lives matter, as I mentioned. And talking about the frustration that has gone really across the nation where the relationship between black folks and police is in shambles at this point.

But you definitely see more people here than we've seen in the last couple of days, and again, there are -- tensions, of course, because not only of the shooting of Jacob Blake but because the shooting attributed to the 17-year-old who came in from out of state and was allowed to walk right past police officers with a long gun over his body, standing with his hands up like this as he passed by several police vehicles.

That frustrated black folks, saying, how is it possible that this young 17-year-old white child is walking by police when you have Jacob Blake, who has turned his back to police, trying to get away, apparently, according to his family, and he is shot in the back seven times. So, a lot of consternation here, a lot of folks talking about the two justice systems that they see in the see.

In the meantime, you have the police association telling what they say is a very different story, that he was armed, fighting with police and there was a tussle before all this, and tasers used on him. And so, a lot of those details, though, we should mention, the police association is, of course, not the association, not the entity that is investigating this.

CABRERA: Right.

SIDNER: They are responsible for standing by police officers. One of them apparently is going to be helping defend the officers involved in this and the DOJ, the state DOJ is the investigating agency.

They say this is going to be an impartial investigation and that the police association does not speak for any of the investigating agencies, Ana.

CABRERA: OK, Sara Sidner, great reporting. Please stand by as we await to hear from the Blake family there at this march.

Meantime, let me bring in Pastor James Ward Jr. He is Jacob Blake's mother's pastor. He's also the author of "Zero Victim: Liberate Yourself from the Mentality of Defeat."

Pastor Ward, thanks for taking the time. I'm sorry for the circumstances of us talking.

I know you've been a friend of the family for decades, so first, can you give us an update on Jacob's condition and how is the family holding up? JAMES E. WARD JR., JACOB BLAKE'S MOTHER'S PASTOR: Hi, Ana. Thank you

so much for having me on. I really appreciate it.

Just the latest that I have had, it was a busy day, again, being Julia's pastor, not pastor for the entire family. They have a very diverse, wonderful family, but I do represent Julia's faith, having been her pastor.

The last that I heard, they're doing as well as expected. Of course, these are tumultuous times, perilous times. The last I heard, Jacob was stable, having gone through a number of medical treatments, and I think we have to just continue to pray for God's very best for the family during this time and be sensitive to their need for God's hand upon them.

CABRERA: I understand the restraints on Jacob's legs have been removed. Officials tried to explain that, you know, that's standard procedure to restrain someone with felony warrants and that Jacob Blake was wanted on a sex assault charge. That warrant has since been dropped.

But so many of us, we're asking why police felt the need to shackle him or cuff him to the bed, especially given his current paralysis? What are your thoughts on how the law enforcement community has handled this situation, even just since the shooting?

WARD JR.: Sure. I think that my thoughts, Ana, are that these are much, much deeper, much more multifaceted issues than we understand. I think that we've failed to develop a comprehensive understanding and an analysis of what's really happening, and that's a perfect example.

I'm not a law official so I can't really speak to that issue, but I can speak to this, being a pastor from a spiritual and a moral standpoint, and that's my understanding of why we never see change. We cry for change every time these incidents happen, over and over again, we cry for change.

We cry for justice. But we never see change, and I want to offer you an explanation of what I believe -- as to why I believe that is so, because we only deal with these things and see them from a civil law perspective.

And, Ana, we never understand that the two more important kinds of law that govern and define a nation are spiritual and moral law. Spiritual and moral law applies to the police officers as well as the citizens, and so, we have to step back as a nation and really understand that as we continue to violate spiritual and moral laws, civil law is incapable of legislating the heart.

Civil law can't make people kind. They can't make people loving, they can't make people respectful, and I believe that we're missing the conversations that need to be had, conversations about compassion and morality and spirituality that are the foundation and the pillars upon which every society must be founded.

[16:10:02] And I want to call our nation back to focusing on spiritual law so we can see real change, lasting change, and we can stop seeing blood spilled both by innocent citizens in this situation, of course, and in the investigation that's happening, I can't speak into that, but then even police officers being assaulted.

We've got -- we've got to come back to the roots of spiritual and moral foundation and I want to help be a leading voice in calling others together to help make that happen in our nation.

We continue to focus on fighting to be right. We're having conversation about right versus left instead of right versus wrong. And until we deal with the human heart, Ana, it will never change.

I'm a pastor, Jeremiah chapter 17 verse 9 says that the human heart is deceitful, is desperately wicked, and I use this simple analogy to explain this. If you give a righteous man the launch codes to our nuclear arsenal, everybody will be safe, because he's a righteous guy. But if you give a wicked man with malicious intent a straw or a soup spoon, you have to fear for your life because his heart is wicked.

We've got to deal with the hearts of citizens, the hearts of police officers, the hearts of politicians, the hearts of clergy, people like me. This is a heart matter, and Jesus also says in Matthew 15:18 that wickedness comes from within, that the things that come from within the heart defile a man. Proverbs 4:23, it tells us to guard our heart because out of the heart comes the issues of life.

Ana, this is a heart matter, and I am praying by God's grace and with your help, the help of others, we can come together and really start to deal with the heart.

CABRERA: I really appreciate your message. I'm sure this is really heartbreaking --

WARD JR.: Thank you.

CABRERA: -- and heart-wrenching for Jacob's mom. I can't imagine being in her shoes right now as a mother myself. And something that really moved me was hearing how, as Jacob laid in his hospital bed, his mom stopped and prayed with a police officer who was in the room, and she told our Don Lemon, she is at peace. Have a listen.

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JULIA JACKSON, MOTHER, JACOB BLAKE: We have to examine our hearts, and I've learned how to do that personally in my walk and relationship with God, the lord Jesus Christ. And when you do that, you get a peace. There's a peace that I can't even describe.

So when I tell you this is hard, it is very difficult, but in addition to that, I have great peace, and it allows me to forgive. I've already forgiven.

(END VIDEO CLIP) CABRERA: She's already forgiven. That shows just incredible strength. Pastor James Ward, I guess, when you hear her say that, this has to be a mother's worst nightmare. How do you think she's able to feel the way she does, given the circumstances?

WARD JR.: Yeah, let me say, Ana, I'm so proud of Julia. I can't be more proud of her, and I can give you some insight into where that source of peace comes from.

Jesus makes this statement. He says, my peace, I give to you, not as the world gives to you, he says, I give you peace. He says, let not your heart be troubled.

Julia is a member of our church. She's a faithful member of my intercessory prayer team, And we pastor a church, Insight Church in Skokie, and we have more than 23 different ethnicities in our church. We have far right Republicans, far left Democrats, black people, white people, people from all over the world, it's a church of nations.

And yet, we worship God. We lift our hands. We pray together. We sing together. We check on each other's family because there's something that comes from God that helps us supersede our differences and to enter into what the bible calls the spirit of unity.

This is why we're seeing a problem in our nation. Our nation is so divided and the division is growing worse, and we can never fix the problems in our nation because only God, ultimately, can facilitate that kind of unity again through the human heart.

I can tell you that there are a number of people in our church that have stood alongside Julia for years and years and years as we prayed for this kind of matter. We've done outreaches with the police department. And it's something that we've found, I write about this in my book, "Zero Victim," which I encourage all of your viewers to read the book because I talk about what it means to not be a victim, how hurt people hurt other people but because we found a place of love and continuity around our faith, it's something that we're able to engage.

That's what you're seeing coming out of Julia, what's been deposited in her, the seeds that have been sown. The fruit is coming out. The harvest is coming out. You put a squeeze on an orange, the orange juice, whatever's on the inside is going to come out when you're under pressure. We're seeing that from Julia right now and I encourage your viewers to really read about that in the "Zero Victim" book.

CABRERA: Well, blessings to Julia. Our hearts go out to her and the whole Blake family.

Pastor James Ward Jr., thanks for taking the time.

WARD JR.: It's been an honor to be with you and thank you for the great work that you're doing. I really appreciate you.

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CABRERA: We appreciate you. Thank you. We are going to take you now to what's happening down south. The

president just arriving in Texas for the second leg of his trip to survey the damage from Hurricane Laura.

Today, we are 66 days away from the presidential election, and CNN is learning the top intelligence official will no longer be giving briefing congressional committees on election security. The director of national intelligence, his office will no longer be giving in- person briefings to Congress.

Now, Congress is responding is just ahead, and a quick programming note for you, tonight, CNN Films is going to present "After Truth," a film that looks at how fake news is used as a weapon against democracy. "After Truth", that's tonight at 10:00 here on CNN.

Stay with us.

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CABRERA: Welcome back. I want to take you back live now to Kenosha, Wisconsin, where Jacob Blake's family is speaking. Let's listen in.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And since we're doing things our way today, I'm an artist, so I'm going to share some of my work with y'all, and I wrote this piece just for today.

I ain't memorized it yet. So --

This piece is called "Allow Me to Introduce Myself."

I am the keeper. I will not sleep, and I don't need to eat. My belly is full with my ancestors' pain. I am the keeper, now watch me.

I'll say that line again. I am the keeper. Now watch me rain. Hear my roar. I am the keeper. I don't scare easily. I'm pulling up to your door.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Come on.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I am the keeper of all the brothers and sisters here and abroad. I am the keeper, and I can smell your fraud. I am the keeper with the soul of a giant and a heart like a lion. I am the keeper with the fist of Tyson and the feet of Muhammad, a mind of Maya and a courage like Angela.

I cannot lose. I am the keeper. And I won't accept your abuse.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Raise them. Raise them up high.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: With a face of stone and mighty warrior bones, and trust I'm never alone. I am the keeper with snakes for hair, I make all men tremble with fear.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: That's right. UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I am the keeper and I will not die. For 400

years, you have tried. With the vision of Harriet, I'll lead you on. I am the keeper, the judge, the reaper.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Give it up for my niece. Little Blake's sister. (INAUDIBLE)

(VIDEO GAP)

CABRERA: OK, so, obviously, we are having some technical difficulties there. We were just listening in to Jacob Blake's sister speaking to the crowd on the ground in Kenosha, Wisconsin, a large crowd that's gathered there.

Let's go to Sara Sidner, who's among the crowd in Kenosha, and Sara, what is the emotion like on the ground right now?

SIDNER: There's a lot of enthusiasm, if you will. There's a lot of chanting just a moment ago, telling people to get out to vote. There is a lot of folks who are listening to the sister, one of the sisters of Jacob Blake, who stood and read a poem to the crowd in which they cheered.

We also have seen just a moment ago the Lieutenant Governor Barnes who is here and is expected to speak on the stage there. We have heard from Justin Blake, the uncle of Jacob Blake here, imploring people to take part in their civic duty of voting as well, talking about leadership and why it's so important.

There's also a talking about challenging law enforcement and you're hearing that right now.

They're saying that law enforcement has to change its policies and they're saying that the legislators need to change policies in how policing happens in this country. There are so many details that are coming out about what happened in the Jacob Blake shooting where he was shot seven times in the back, paralyzing him. There are also more details constantly coming out over the next couple of days of the 17- year-old who is accused of shooting and killing two people.

I'm going to let you listen a little bit to the chanting going on. That is Justin Blake, the uncle of Jacob Blake.

JUSTIN BLAKE, UNCLE OF JACOB BLAKE: Not tomorrow, not next week, not another damn moment but change now for little Jake Blake. Change now for little brothers in London, Sydney, Australia, that are black like us and being treated unjustly, change now.

One more time. Change now. Change now. Change now.

SIDNER: And you hear what they're demanding, change now not just from the way that the police and black folks interact, but also change in policies from the government and they are employing people, as you know, the election coming up between vice presidential candidate Kamala Harris and presidential candidate Joe Biden, and President Trump. So a lot of talk here about making change in many different ways, not just marching in the streets.

CABRERA: OK, Sara Sidner in Kenosha. I do want to follow up with you, because you mentioned that there are a lot of details that are coming out.

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And yet, we know investigators are keeping everything that they're learning close to the vest. And there's been a little bit of, I think, controversy over how they've handled it because there hasn't been enough transparency, some believe, and yet we're hearing accounts from the police union, the association, that includes these officers who are accused in the shooting of Jacob Blake.

What do we know about the facts in what transpired when Jacob Blake ended up being shot in the back seven times?

SIDNER: Yeah, I think what we're dealing with here is a very much a he said/she said except for that clip of video that you see Jacob Blake being shot in the back seven times. That cannot be disputed because you can see it on video.

And you have also heard those details from the State Department of justice, which is the investigating agency, and the only investigating agency as well as the federal government, the federal government, the FBI stepping in to look at this as well.

And you know, you've seen the video yourself. So, you're getting all these other details from agencies who are not responsible for the actual investigation, the police association, obviously, backing the police in this, saying that they're trying to say that Jacob Blake was armed, had a knife on his person, that he fought with police beforehand, that he was tased a couple of times beforehand, that they, you know, that the police were in danger. When he went to his car, they're saying he stole the keys from someone, the car, the vehicle was not his where his three kids were sitting.

Those are all details coming from the police association that is not the investigating agency. We also heard from the sheriff's department who has had people out patrolling. The sheriff himself said, after several days, almost five days, that he had not yet taken a look at the video that the world has seen. That was a shocker to a lot of people.

I mean, here's an agency, a policing agency, you would think that they had the video that the public has seen. That was a surprise as well.

We are also hearing from the attorney for the 17-year-old teen who was here, came here from out of state with a long gun, had that long gun illegally, according to investigators, who ended up accused of shooting and killing two people and wounding another. His attorney now saying he believes it was self-defense.

Lots of details, lots of things going on but right now, the situation is peaceful. There are thousands of people here and they're here, they say, for justice -- Ana.

CABRERA: Sara Sidner in Kenosha, Wisconsin, for us. Thank you. We'll check back in just a moment.

Quick break. We'll be right back.

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(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Black folks are necessary. Black people are necessary. People who love people are necessary.

(CHEERING)

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CABRERA: These are live pictures from Kenosha, Wisconsin. An event taking place right now, a large protest, members of Jacob Blake's family are gathered there.

As well as they are demanding change for the racial injustice that exists, systemic racism and inequality that continues to exist across the country.

And obviously, this latest shooting of a black men in Kenosha, Wisconsin, Jacob Blake, who was shot in the back seven times, has sparked additional unrest there in Wisconsin and other parts of the country in recent days.

With us now is contributing writer for "The Atlantic," Jemele Hill, who hosts the podcast, "Jemele Hill Is Unbothered."

Thank you, Jemele, for being with us.

Your reaction to what we're seeing today?

JEMELE HILL, CONTRIBUTING WRITER, "THE ATLANTIC" & PODCAST HOST, "JEMELE HILL IS UNBOTHERED": My reaction is just a that I think right now there's just a moment, really not even a moment, it's a movement that's happening.

Jacob Blake is, unfortunately, the latest example. But what you're seeing is a collective frustration being vented. We're tired of being in this place as black people and we definitely should be tired of being in this place as a country.

So right now, I think people feel more compelled than ever to act in this time where America seems to finally have given its attention to this long-standing --

CABRERA: Let me ask you about the sports world reacting as well. And you know, those players obviously have influence in different ways across the country. And it's much more of a social movement there. The NBA back in action now after not taking the court in the last few

days, players in other major sports following suit.

Here's what Chris Paul, one of the leaders of the NBA players, said about the athletes' decision to resume playing.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

CHRIS PAUL, NBA BASKETBALL PLAYER: We understand how strong our voice is, how powerful our voice is. And you know, ultimately, we decided if we go away from this stage, we don't necessarily have that same platform.

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CABRERA: Jemele, do you agree with this idea that they are perhaps more powerful, more influential by staying in the game while advocating change, versus sitting out in protest?

HILL: I'll be perfectly honest with you, Ana. I'm really torn about it.

I definitely understand Chris Paul's viewpoint that they feel like because millions of people are tuning into their games, you have a court that says, Black Lives Matter, you have the players who have done an excellent job, even before this Jacob Blake incident, of turning regular interviews into an opportunity to talk about voter suppression, to talk about criminal justice reform, really important issues in this country.

But when I think about the history of movements and how change has happened, it's usually happened because we forced people into a place to do without something. There's had to be a great sacrifice that's been made.

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You look at the Montgomery bus boycott, for example. I mean, this boycott lasted over a year. It crippled the city. That's why it worked.

And there's a part of me on a basic level of anger that feels like, because we have not proven as a country that we can respect black bodies in the street, why do we deserve to watch them entertain us.

Why do these black athletes have to be in this position to entertain a country during a time where they can't even prove they have basic respect for people that look like them?

So, that's what makes me so torn about it. Because I know that there's a tremendous ripple effect that comes from withholding services.

And so I'm just -- I'm just kind of in a space of being torn. I perfectly understand what Chris Paul means.

And he's also, I'm sure, looking at it from the standpoint, them being able to make money and to fund movements at the grassroots level or to create their own movements, that requires financial resources, which they have in abundance, and they only have them if they keep playing.

But at the same time, I just know that whenever we have been pushed toward progress, usually, we have been -- we have had to be dragged toward progress. It's usually come with some kind of sacrifice that had to be made.

CABRERA: I hear you. Now, the NBA is going to start playing.

And in your piece in "The Atlantic," you write, "If black NFL players follow the NBA players' lead, sitting out, for example, a big chunk of the sports economy would be made contingent on racial progress."

Do you think we could see widespread NFL protests this fall?

HILL: I would like to believe so. Because I think right now, I imagine if there were NFL games this week, you would probably see that.

And I expect that momentum to continue. And particularly since those players, their voices have been more suppressed than NBA players.

So I know there's a lot of guys right now who feel like this is a moment that they want to be a part of.

You know, when I wrote this piece for "The Atlantic," I was just imagining what this world looked like. Economies -- the language America understands is capitalism. When people start to lose money, that is when you usually see change.

And in the NFL in particular, you have a lot of NFL owners who have donated to Donald Trump, who have actively stood in the way of the progress that needs to happen.

So, if they start to lose money, I guarantee you, they're going to be ready for a different conversation about criminal justice.

You know, even I would extend that to the fans and say, look, if you really want to be serious about changing, you have to make people feel it.

It can't be about everybody's comfort. You can't be comfortable and try to create change at the same time. It doesn't really work that way.

Some systems need to be completely disrupted, dismantled in order for us to actually make a real progressive step forward.

CABRERA: Jemele Hill, I appreciate your perspective. Thank you for this conversation.

HILL: Thank you for having me.

CABRERA: We'll be right back.

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CABRERA: As the coronavirus continues to spread and the death toll projections rise, we are hearing some encouraging news out of the Department of Health and Human Services.

The chief of staff says enrollment has passed the halfway mark for two of the vaccine trials in phase three.

The timeline for a vaccine is still a moving target. The president, at his RNC acceptance speech, said one could be ready by the end of the year if not sooner.

Joining us now is Dr. Peter Hotez, professor and dean of tropical medicine at Baylor College of Medicine.

Dr. Hotez, HHS says it has two vaccines in phase three trials right now and a third could start next month. And those first two are past halfway in enrollment.

So first, is the president's timeline possible based on the pace of these current trials?

DR. PETER HOTEZ, PROFESSOR & DEAN OF TROPICAL MEDICINE, BAYLOR COLLEGE OF MEDICINE: You know, I think it's pretty optimistic. And I don't really see a path by which we're going to have vaccines by the end of this year.

Because what we learned, Ana, from the first -- from the phase one trials that were published in multiple journals was that you need at least two doses of the vaccines in order to generate an adequate immune response that could potentially result in protections.

And so you have to go through those two doses, roughly spaced a month apart. And then you have to give a time to show that the vaccines are actually protecting compared to the controls. And you need that extra time to show that they're safe.

Remember, these new vaccines that HHS is talking about are new technologies that have never resulted in a licensed vaccine before. So that requires an extra measure of precaution as well.

CABRERA: And yet, sources tell CNN that White House officials raised the possibility in a July meeting of a vaccine emergency use authorization even before completed phase three trials. Is that a good idea?

HOTEZ: I think it's not a good idea. I think I'm very worried about emergency use authorizations.

Now, you talk about EUAs for things like diagnostic kits -- and we've heard about it used for plasma with some therapy with a little bit of controversy as well as ventilators -- I don't think EUAs have a place for vaccines.

And the simple reason is because with vaccines, what you're doing is your immunizing a well population in order to determine that it prevents you from getting sick.

So the bar is about the highest there is for vaccines. And I don't see how you do that through an emergency use authorization.

I've spoken to some colleagues from the FDA. And it's really quite interesting. There really hasn't been any EUAs issued for vaccines, with a couple of exceptions that were done for technicality reasons rather than anything like what we're talking about here, which is supplying vaccines for millions and millions of Americans.

So, I don't think it's necessary because I think we could do an expedited review pretty quickly once we have all the safety and efficacy information.

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And especially because it's a new technology. That gives us an extra layer why we're -- we want to be very careful.

And then you have the added fact that there's a pretty aggressive anti-vaccine movement out there that alleges that we're rushing things and they're very aggressive.

And we've not had a strong communication strategy coming out of the White House. Actually, that's being generous. We haven't had any communication strategy coming out of the White House.

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HOTEZ: So to pull this EUA now, I think, would be very scary.

CABRERA: Well, Dr. Hotez, thank you as always for joining us. I'm sorry to cut short right now.

We want to go back live to Wisconsin where we're hearing from Jacob Blake's father. Let's listen.

JACOB BLAKE SR, FATHER OF JACOB BLAKE, WHO WAS SHOT BY POLICE: Give me a second.

(SHOUTING)

BLAKE SR: He grabbed my hand.

(SHOUTING)

BLAKE SR: He squeezed my hand.

(APPLAUSE)

(CHEERING)

BLAKE SR: And he said, daddy, daddy, I love you. You know I love you. I said, man, listen. I love you more than anything in the world. He said, well, I didn't think you were going to come. Well, what? Man, I got in the car, you all, and drove all night. Then, my baby said, daddy, why did they shoot me so many times? I

said, baby, they weren't supposed to shoot you at all.

(SHOUTING)

BLAKE SR: I know. I know there's a lot of parents out here in this crowd. You cannot imagine what it feels like to look at your baby, paralyzed from the waist down. Shackled! Shackled! Where was my son going?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Where was he going?

BLAKE SR: They already put him in the bed. What was the shackle for?

You understand that chattel slavery was the most diabolical thing committed on brown-skinned people in the history of creation.

We suffered and still suffer because there's two justice systems. There's one for that white boy that walked down the street and murdered those two people and blew that other man's arm off.

(SHOUTING)

BLAKE SR: And then there's a justice system for mine.

(SHOUTING)

BLAKE SR: That justice system for us does not work out too well for us. We are 13.6 percent of the total population in this country, and 87 percent of us are -- of the jail population.

(SHOUTING)

BLAKE SR: Now, until somebody explains to me why it is seen that we are the most recipients of the government aid -- projects and whatnot -- at 13.6 percent, it's mathematically impossible.

So don't look down at yourself, brown people. Do not believe the lie. They've been lying long enough! They've been lying long enough!

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BLAKE SR: You stand up and be proud of yourself. You be proud of the black suit you put on every day.

(APPLAUSE)

BLAKE SR: You be proud that you are brown. You be proud --

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CABRERA: In this "Represented," we honor the 100th anniversary of women's right to vote with stories of modern women willing to get into some good trouble. And today, we meet Patrisse Cullors, cofounder of the Black Lives Matter movement, who turned a hashtag into a global rallying cry against racism and police brutality.

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PATRISSE CULLORS, COFOUNDER, BLACK LIVES MATTER: When we started Black Lives Matter, Alicia, Opal and I, we really started it in response to the killing of Trayvon Martin and then the acquittal of George Zimmerman.

We were disturbed. We were dissatisfied. We were angry. We were wanting more for black people in general.

Alicia Garza wrote a love note to black folks. And I responded with a hashtag, Black Lives Matter, on Facebook. And then within the next 48 hours, we were creating this online community.

Mike Brown's murder, I think, would make Black Lives Matter go viral the first time.

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CULLORS: There has been a long history of black people rising up against our death, our tragedies.

With George Floyd's death, people witnessed him die in front of their eyes.

People across the globe have shown up.

It's not just talking about police violence but the racist monuments that have been taken down.

This fight that we're in isn't solely focused on black people dying. The mission of Black Lives Matter is affirming black life and fighting for black people to be thriving in their lives, divesting from militarization in policing and investing into black communities.

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CABRERA: CNN is exploring the past, present, and future of women's rights in the U.S. and around the world. Be sure to check out more of this reporting at CNN.com/represented.

We'll be right back.

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