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Aired January 04, 2021 - 15:00   ET

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BROOKE BALDWIN, CNN HOST: Hi there. You're watching CNN on this Monday. Thank you so much for being with me. I'm Brooke Baldwin.

Want to begin with just the unthinkable, just 16 days before the inauguration of a successor, a new extreme and a new low from this president all laid bare in audio obtained by CNN.

So, in this hour-long phone call, President Trump repeatedly pushes Georgia's Republican secretary of state to -- quote -- "find more votes" for him. The bullying is deliberate, the threats are blatant, and the demands at the center of it are possibly illegal.

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DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: The people of Georgia are angry, the people of the country are angry. And there's nothing wrong with saying that you've recalculated.

So, look, all I want to do is this. I just want to find 11,780 votes, which is one more than we have, because we won the state.

So, what are we going to do here, folks? I only need 11,000 votes. Fellows, I need 11,000 votes. Give me a break.

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BALDWIN: Now, on the other end of that phone call, you can hear the Georgia secretary of state objecting to the president's requests.

And, today, a source telling CNN that the White House actually attempted to contact Brad Raffensperger's office no less than 18 times, 18, between Election Day and this past weekend.

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BRAD RAFFENSPERGER (R), GEORGIA SECRETARY OF STATE: No, I never believed it was appropriate to speak to the president.

But he pushed out. I guess he had a staff push us. They wanted to call. The challenge that we have, first of all, we're in a litigation mode with the president's team against the state of Georgia. And whenever you say anything, then you do have your advisers there. They had to have their advisers, their lawyers.

And so I just preferred not to talk to someone when we're in litigation. We let the lawyers handle it. But we took the call, and we had a conversation. He did most of the talking. We did most of the listening. But I did want to make my points that the data that he has is just plain wrong.

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BALDWIN: Just plain wrong.

Now, the Georgia secretary of state's office is actually expected to hold a press conference any moment now. We're going to be watching that. And we will bring that to you as soon as we have that up.

Now some state Republicans say that the president's shakedown will only hurt the monumental special elections taking place tomorrow in Georgia. Keep in mind, the control of the U.S. Senate is at stake, so this is huge, huge.

CNN White House correspondent Kaitlan Collins is live in Georgia for us this afternoon, when the president is expected to campaign this evening in the city of Dalton.

Kaitlan, how is the White House responding today to this wave of criticism now that this audio has been so widely circulated?

KAITLAN COLLINS, CNN WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT: Well, Brooke, it's not even clear how many White House officials knew that this call had taken place until that audio was released by the secretary of state's office yesterday, because I have spoken to several people who said they weren't even aware that a call had happened with the Georgia secretary of state.

Of course, one person we do know who was aware of it was the chief of staff, Mark Meadows, who was on the call, started off that call that the president had, before he basically spent the entire time speaking and even cutting off his own attorneys on this.

But one person who is a pretty notable absence from that call was the White House counsel, Pat Cipollone. Now, remember, the Georgia secretary of state had his legal counsel on the call. He explained that this morning, saying he felt that was necessary, given the litigation that's ongoing with the Trump campaign and what's happening with the president's allies in the state of Georgia.

But the president's legal counsel was not. And, instead, he had these two new attorneys who several officials said they did not even know were actually working for the president, because he's changed attorneys so many times and added so many new faces to the team over the last several weeks since he actually lost the election. And so it's kind of become one of those moments where there are White

House staffers who are trying to distance themselves from the president's latest efforts as they grow more desperate to try to overturn the results of the election, but also just seeing this, the president lash out in this way, where there are -- you see how small the circle has gotten and how few people there are around the president that are actually involved in what's going on a day-to-day basis, as he is getting more desperate in these attempts to try to subvert the will of the voters and what's happening in the election.

And, of course, they fear that is what he is bringing here to Georgia tonight, and it's going to be less about those two Republican senators who are in the race tomorrow and more about the president and his grievances.

BALDWIN: As we mentioned, between Election Day and this weekend, 18 attempted calls between the president and the Georgia secretary of state.

Kaitlan, thank you so much.

Now, this audiotape delivers another loyalty test for Republicans up on Capitol Hill.

And, for that, let's go to CNN senior congressional correspondent Manu Raju, who is live.

And, Manu, my question is, given this tape, will this be another day of lawmakers dodging your questions, the whole I haven't heard the audiotape bit? Or are there any Republicans actually confronting the president's actions?

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MANU RAJU, CNN SENIOR CONGRESSIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Well, there are some who are dodging, there are some who are defending, and there are some who are confronting. So people are getting into all sorts of camps.

One person who has not weighed in clearly has been Kevin McCarthy, the House Republican leader. I asked him if he had any concerns about this call, if he was OK with this call. He would not answer those questions. He did say earlier in the day on FOX that -- he was asked generally about the call.

He said that the president has always been concerned about the integrity of the elections. That's what Kevin McCarthy said. But his number three Republican in the House Republican leadership, Liz Cheney, told me that she has deep concerns over this phone call. She called it deeply disturbing. She urged everybody to listen to this call, if they have a chance, over -- to listen to that full hour-long call, she told me.

I asked her if she will join this effort on Wednesday to oppose what these House conservatives are trying to do and overturn the election. She would not answer that question, said she didn't want to comment any further.

But we just received a statement from Pat Toomey, a Republican from Pennsylvania, who said the president's call represents a -- quote -- "new low in this whole futile and sorry episode." And he said he commended Republican election officials for standing up to the president's efforts to go after the elections.

And also, Brooke, some, of course, are continuing to defend the president, one being Congressman Jim Jordan, who is leading this effort on the House floor. I just talked to him. He told me that he has no concerns about what the president's doing, and he says it will not impact how much support they ultimately have on the House floor come Wednesday, even though we know they're not going to be able to change the results of the election, but they could delay it for several hours, into Thursday, potentially.

BALDWIN: I want to talk about all of this with my two next guests.

Manu, thank you so much for setting up just what's happening on Capitol Hill and this really loyalty test among a lot of these Republicans.

With me now, CNN political commentator and Republican strategist Doug Heye. Also with me, CNN chief political correspondent Dana Bash.

So, let's just dive on in.

Dana, I want to begin with you. The closer we get to Inauguration Day, 16 days, the farther away some Republicans and this president get from reality, that this administration, as Manu just pointed out, is coming to an end.

DANA BASH, CNN CHIEF POLITICAL CORRESPONDENT: Right. The administration is coming to an end, but the reality that they are facing is that the Trump grip on their party, the loyalty that the people who sent them to Congress have also to this president has not changed at all and won't change on January 20.

BALDWIN: Oh.

Hang on one second, Dana. Let's go to Atlanta.

This is Gabriel Sterling. This is an election official there.

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GABRIEL STERLING, GEORGIA VOTING SYSTEM IMPLEMENTATION MANAGER: There's 281,376 that are still outstanding. I'm hoping to get the military received and outstanding before the end of this press conference, which will hopefully come into my cell phone.

Early vote in person, obviously, we smashed the record for turnout on that one. We're at 2,074,857. So that means right now we're looking at 3,037,743 votes that have already been cast across Georgia.

Now, the previous record for a run-off election was a 2004 -- I think that's right -- Saxby Chambliss race, which was 2.1 million votes that were cast. That is the previous record. And in the election, 2018 run- off election, we saw just under 1.5 million, so obviously a lot of interest.

I'm sure Georgians are tired of TV ads, text messages, voice-mails, and mail. So, it's all going to end very soon, hopefully.

In preparation for the election tomorrow on Election Day voting, we have 6,963 poll pads. They finished the final loading of their data today before lunch. We had about 21 counties were the last ones to go. Most of them completed it over the weekend.

There will be a total of 6,009 -- I'm sorry -- 2,648 polling locations open on Election Day, with a couple of them closed due to some shortages and some other COVID-related items. But the total we have right now is 2648. We don't anticipate changes, but that always may happen.

We have shared those locations with Georgia Power and the EMCs in case there's power issues or any other issues might come up from that. And we have seen a few shortages of poll workers. So, I think I specifically saw Morgan County, they're going to lose two locations because of that.

Now, what we have seen also is a difference in the turnout models depending on congressional district and county in the state so far, in large part driven by the continuing misinformation and disinformation concerning the value of people's votes in this state.

The secretary wants me to make clear that everybody's vote is going to count. Everybody's vote did count. I want to make that abundantly clear. If you care about the values and direction of the nation you want to see, it is your obligation to turn out and vote tomorrow, be you Democrat or Republican.

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However, right now, given the nature of the president's statements and several other people who have been aligned with him previously, who have literally had a rally saying, protest and don't vote, we are specifically asking you and telling you, please turn out and vote tomorrow.

One of the things -- specifically, I have had to argue with people whom I have known for 20 years. They say, well, we feel like our election was stolen, we feel like our votes don't count. And I said, OK, I'm not acknowledging the election was stolen, because it wasn't. I'm not there was acknowledging there was massive voter fraud, because there wasn't.

But if you believe in your heart of hearts that there was, the best thing for you to do is to turn out and vote and make it harder for them to steal. If that's what you genuinely in your heart of hearts believe, turn out and vote.

There are people who fought and died and marched and prayed and voted to get the right to vote. Throwing it away because you have some feeling that this may not matter is self-destructive, ultimately, and a self-fulfilling prophecy in the end.

So, everybody who cares about the future of this nation should turn out and vote. It's vitally important. It's absolutely important. And the reason I'm having to stand here today is because there are people in positions of authority and respect who have said their votes didn't count, and it's not true.

And I'm going to do it again. I'm going to go through all this anti- disinformation Monday. It's Whac-A-Mole again. It is Groundhog Day again. I'm going to get to talk about things that I have talked about repeatedly for two months. But I'm going to do it again one last time, I'm hoping, because, at the end of the day, we want to make sure people understand their votes count.

Every person, every voice matters. And I know that there's people who have fought for that for years about this.

So, let's start again. And, yes, some of this is going to come out of the continuing statements from the president and some of his supporters.

State Farm. All right, this has been one that has been conflated over several different things. We have multiple scan ballots. We have Ruby Freeman. We have the leak that they said was a water main break, which wasn't a water main break.

So, in order to be fully transparent, one of the things we did is, we had a local media organization, WSB, Justin over here. We went through it for hours and hours, walked through frame by frame, and showed what happened.

So let's start. If you go to SecureVoteGA.com, we have posted all the videos from State Farm for that day that cover the relevant periods; 5:23:00 a.m., they walk in and they discover what is essentially a pond on the floor where you can see water coming out of the sky.

So, they say, OK, we can't do our work here this morning. They call in the State Farm people. It's not Fulton County people, which is one of the other things they said. There's no Fulton County work order to fix the water leak. And guess what? It wasn't in a Fulton County facility. It was in State Farm.

So, they were the ones who fixed the leak. It was a urinal that overflowed, because they were turned off because, guess what, nobody's in State Farm because of COVID, other than this particular usage. So they turn off all those things, and it went over the edge of the relief valve, and that's what caused the leak.

So they come in. Then you go to another one about 7:00 in the morning or so, where you have essentially the -- I don't know what to call it -- the drying Zamboni that is driving around on the carpet cleaning it all up.

Then, at about 7:00 -- or 8:23, you see a woman bringing in the table in question that has been the point of Mr. Giuliani's 90-second clip. She's pulling it with one hand and she sets it down. There's nothing underneath it, OK?

Then, you can fast-forward to later in the day, about 9:45 or so. Everybody there -- there are two groups of people there. There's cutters and there are scanners. What happened was, the cutters began putting their stuff away because everybody was under the impression they were going to get home. We have discovered this.

So, they start putting covers over the cutting machines and everything. So then we see also, while the monitors and the press are still in the room, they bring out the carriers, which are normal absentee ballot carriers. And I will admit, when I listened to the audio of the phone call when the president brought that up again, and I heard it on a radio ad again today, I wanted to scream -- well, I did scream at the computer.

And I screamed in my car at the radio talking about this, because this has been thoroughly debunked. They bring out the normal absentee ballot carriers. There are monitors in the room. There is press in the room. They take the ballots that had been opened, put them in carrier trays, and put them in there, and then put them in the boxes, put the lid on, because the lid matches the box.

And then you see at one point during the video a woman crawling on the floor putting the numbered seals on him, so they can keep the chain of custody.

Approximately 10:25, 10:30, the secretary in our office receives word that Fulton County is shutting down for the night at State Farm Arena. So, as some of you all who were there on election night, recall the secretary got a little irritated with this and made his feelings quite known.

They said some of us have been working through the night. We're glad to see that Fulton County sees the need to just go ahead and knock off for the evening.

So, Chris Harvey, our elections director, then calls Rick Barron, the elections director of Fulton County, who was at the other location, which was their English Street warehouse, because he was doing Election Day activities.

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Chris calls Rick. Rick says, we're not shutting down. Well, Chris says, looks like you are. So then you can go back to the videotape and see Ralph Jones take a phone call at approximately -- almost 11:00.

And you can see his shoulders kind of shrug. He takes the phone call. He's being told at that point by his boss, Rick Barron, you need to stay and continue to scan. So, he hangs up the phone. He goes over to the boxes, put some more seals on him, because, obviously, if you watch the videotape, many of the people that are there have been there since 7:00 in the morning. It's already 11:00 at night. They were all under the impression they were going to get to go home. So you see him spend about 30 seconds going, heck, what am I going to say to these people?

So he walks back over to the corner of a desk and says, I got the word we got to keep on scanning. So they go back to the boxes that they -- you see them put under the table at the approximately 10:00 hour. There is videotape of this.

And this is what's really frustrating. The president's legal team had the entire tape. They watched the entire tape and then, from our point of view, intentionally misled the state Senate, the voters and the people of the United States about this.

It was intentional, it was obvious, and anybody watching this knows that. Anyone watching it knows that. That's why we released the entire tape for people to watch.

So, there's this claim that that was done. So they pull those out and begin to scan.

Then the other claim comes from about a woman named Ruby Freeman and multiple scanning. One of the things you need to understand is, in normal ballot processing, if there is a problem with a ballot, what it does is, it stops, but, before that, four or five will get through. So, they say, delete that last batch and rescan it, so they scan properly.

That is the normal process that is done. Secondarily to that, everybody might be familiar with the fact the president wanted us to do a hand recount, hand re-tally, which we ended up doing under our audit. That audit showed that there was no problems with machine scanning.

If somebody took a stack of ballots and scanned them multiple times, you would have a lot of votes with no corresponding ballots. So, let's go over the numbers one more time.

Statewide, it was a -- for the sheer number of ballots, they were off by 0.1053 percent. For the margin, they were off by point 0.0099 percent, which shows that the machines scan properly. Our counties did a great job of following these batches, and doing the hand count properly, appropriately, with scrutiny and with observers.

So let's put that to bed right now.

And one of the other things we did as part of our transparency is, we have put all of those tally sheets online for every county. So you can go through and look at them all. And it's at, again, the SecureVoteGA.com.

Let's see. Let's go over the numbers that the president's team is claiming. We have a little chart over here. They're claiming there were 2,056 felons that voted. Our research -- and we have better data because we are directly tied to the state government on this, the Department of Corrections, and the other department which I can't remember what it's called right now. Basically, it tracks when people are on probation. There we go.

We know exactly how people voted for this, because we have an outward bound of 74 potential people who are felons voted. What that means is, that's the biggest number it could be. We will investigate and find out some of these people completed their sentences, some of these people have the same name and birth date, so there will be some crossover there.

So, 74 is the outward bound. It's going to be lower than that. So let's be clear about that.

Then there is the claim that 66,248 people below the age of 18 voted. The actual number is zero. Let me be clear, 66,000 versus zero. And the reason we know that is because the dates are on the voter registration. There are four cases, four where people requested their absentee ballot before they turned 18, but they turned 18 by the Election Day. That means that that was a legally cast ballot.

So, again, 66,000, which is the biggest single number they have in these kind of votes, vs. zero. They say that there's 2,423 people who voted without being registered. Let's just be clear about this. You can't do it. There cannot be a valid issue to you. There's no way to tie it back to you. There's no way for them to have a name to correspond back to unless they're registered voters. So that number is zero.

Then we have got 1,043 illegally voter using a P.O. box. Again, we're going through the investigation on this. So far, every one we have seen has been when there is a mailboxes, Mail Boxes Etc., something like that, in a multifamily building, like an apartment.

So, you will have what looks like P.O. boxes listed in the system, but they're actually the residential address of record for people who live in multifamily housing, like apartments. So that's everything we have seen so far. We haven't seen anybody actually registering to vote at a USPS P.O. box.

Next one is 4,926 voters passed the legal registration deadline. Again, it's zero. We have zero record of anybody doing that, because the voter registration cutoff is the voter registration cutoff. So there's no corresponding way to do that. They couldn't be issued a ballot because they are not legally within the system of that to have ballot issued; 10,315 who 15 who died before the election.

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Again, our information from the Department of Vital Records, we go through county by county, shows potentially two, so far, two. It could change, could go -- but it's not 10,000 -- 395 cast ballots in two states, we're investigating that.

But, again, when we get double voters, which we are investigating, but, again, we're talking handfuls, not tens of thousands. Let's remember, and I think we're all very clear on the number now, that it was 11,779. We have seen nothing in our investigations of any of these data claims

that shows there's nearly enough ballots to change the outcome. And the secretary and I at this podium has said, since November 3, there is illegal voting in every single election in the history of mankind because there are human beings involved in the process.

It's going to happen. It's a question of limiting it and putting as many safeguards as you can in place to make sure it doesn't happen. All right.

Oh, yes. We had part of the hand tally we discussed in relation to the potential double scanning. Let's just go to the other ridiculous claims, that Dominion voting machines are somehow using fractional voting or flipping votes.

Again, by doing the hand tally, it shows none of that is true, not a whit. And let's go back to the overall claims about Dominion voting systems in general. If you look in Wisconsin, they're claiming Wisconsin was stolen through Dominion voting machines. In the 14 counties in which Dominion voting machines were used in Wisconsin, the president got 59 percent of the vote.

And in the counties in Pennsylvania where Dominion voting machines were used, he got 52.5 percent of the vote. He made a claim at one point that over 900,000 votes were deleted by Dominion machines. And the 14 counties where they were that happened, they had 1.3 million people vote. That was 76-some-odd percent-plus -- 76 percent turnout.

In order for 900,000 to have been deleted, they would have had to have 160 percent or 130 percent turnout. That did not happen, because it cannot happen. Again, this is all easily, provably false.

Yet the president persists and, by doing so, undermines Georgians' faith in the election system, especially Republican Georgians in this case, which is important because we have a big election coming up tomorrow, and everybody deserves to have their vote counted if they want it to be, Republican and Democrat alike.

Now, let's move on to signature matching. There were claims about signature matching being -- not being done and they were based on feelings, we believe. No specific evidence was ever brought up until, in one of the Trump filings, there was a specific allegation that signature verification was not being done on the absentee ballot request form properly in Cobb County during the June primary.

So that's the first time we had a specific, actionable claim of signature match not being done. So, with that in mind, the governor graciously offered, after the secretary and he discussed potentially using GBI resources.

So we got GBI to come alongside a secretary of state investigators, multiple teams. Vic Reynolds stood here last week to announce the outcome of that. And of the 15,118 absentee ballot envelopes that they investigated, they found two with potential problems, two; 99.99 percent was properly done. And of those two, the actual voter who was intended to be marked as

voting was the actual voter there. That could have been done through a cure period, which would have been a better way to do that.

Another thing they want to talk about is the vast difference in rejection rates. Well, what we have seen is, there was not a vast difference in rejection rates. What's happening is, in order to confuse people, because they don't understand election systems, is they're conflating the entirety of absentee ballots that were rejected vs. those that were rejected for signature mismatch or missing a signature.

Now, we're also comparing apples to oranges. In '16 -- I have done this so long, I can't -- I don't script these numbers, but I'm going to give the general -- don't hold me to this exact number. I think it was point 0.26 percent. In 18, it was 0.16 percent. And in 2020 so far, it's about 0.15 percent. We have gotten some updated numbers on this now.

And the difference is, in 2019, HB-316 was passed, which allowed there to be curing of ballots. So there are teams of Republicans and Democrat young people running around the state as we speak finding people who have signature issues to cure their ballots. That's going on right now.

And the Democrats did a much better job of that during the general election. The Republicans were not prepared. The Democrats had their own form set up. They had teams set up. They were ready to go. It was sort of a late entry on the Republican side to do some of those.

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And about 5,000 total ballots were rejected for some purpose, and about 2,600 of those were cured. So, that means the final rejection number was around 2,400 ballots around the total of five million, or a percentage of the 1.3 million that we saw that were voted absentee.

Let's go into some of the more new things. There is no shredding of ballots going on. That's not real. It's not happening. There's no -- there's shredding of envelopes that were the non-used ones, or there's also shredding of the secrecy envelopes that came through. We saw some of those in the Senate hearing.

And it's obvious that they're the secrecy envelopes, which have no evidentiary value because there's no signature on it. There's no way to match it back. They're just basically trash. The law requires you keep the signature and oath envelopes and the ballots themselves for two months. Those are all being kept.

Let's see. This is one I don't fully understand. No one is changing parts or pieces out of Dominion voting machines. That is -- that's not a real -- I don't even know what that means. It's not a real thing. That's not happening. The president mentioned on the call yesterday -- or from two days ago. That's, again, not real. I don't even know how exactly to explain that. Let's see. Secretary Raffensperger does not have a brother named Ron

Raffensperger. That is also not real. The president tweeted that out as well. It's -- let's see. It's such a long list.

Oh, yes. The other really fantastical thing we saw the other day was a potential hacking of Dominion equipment during a Senate hearing last week. That did not happen either.

Let's go over a couple of reasons why. First of all, ballot marking devices and scanners, neither one have modems. It's very hard to hack things without modems. There's nothing to talk to. So let's get that clear.

The poll pads, which is a KNOWiNK device, does have the ability to connect to Wi-Fi, which we use it for loading purposes and in case there's an issue on Election Day, but they're not hooked up live all the time.

And if they saw anything, they could see traffic back and forth. But it would basically be what like watching a river go by. You couldn't get in. It's essentially if they did this, which we have no proof of. We have claim after claim after claim with zero proof, zero.

And signed affidavits are part of an evidentiary trail, but they have to be investigated. And let's remember, everybody who came and gave testimony, it was public comment at the state Senate hearing. This office was never asked to come and discuss those items for that state Senate hearing, state Senate subcommittee.

That didn't happen either, which I find interesting, because, obviously, they are making wild claims that, again, undermine people's faith in the system.

Let's see. Oh, yes, this is another one that came over the weekend from the former -- from the founder of Overstock.com, that they had found thousands and thousands of fake ballots in Fulton County warehouse. For any of you all in the press who have been to the Fulton County warehouse, these are the emergency ballots that have been sitting in that warehouse since before the November election, very much in plain view of everybody to see.

And what happened, the reason they had a high number -- first of all, every county has to have those emergency ballots by rule. The state election board rule says you have to have 10 percent of the available ones for each polling location. And they have to be printed for that polling location, for the ballot style, so they can track it properly.

In Fulton County's case, you all may remember that there was a COVID outbreak in their warehouse not long before the logic and accuracy testing period was happening for the general election. In a very wild abundance of caution, they had what they refer to as not plan A, not plan B, what they referred to as plan C, which was, if we can't get people in to do the logic and accuracy testing on all of our equipment, we're going to print up 100 percent of our ballots we need to let hand-marked ballots be what we have to do if we cannot get the machines done. They did that out of an abundance of caution, given the unknowable

unknowns surrounding COVID and their ability to get employees in to do that. They were thankfully able to get the employees in. Dominion staff came in to help them make sure they got the logic and accuracy test done.

So they were able to deploy all of their BMDs, the BMD carriers, and scanners. So didn't have to use those ballots. But that's why those ballots existed. They are not fake ballots. They are real ballots. They are unused ballots. And what I find really interesting about this is, they were in shrink wrapped items in boxes that are sealed. What can you do with those?

They're sitting right there. Everybody saw them.

Let's see. I'm trying to think, what other -- here's part of the problem, you all. I sit down and try to write down everything that we see that comes over the Internet as a potential thing of disinformation. It gets exploded.

We all look at these things. We know there's lots of bots that are doing it. We have foreign powers that are pushing some of these things at the same time.

So, here's the takeaway from all this. This office has been open and transparent. We are continuing investigations. There are questions about pristine ballots. That was one last thing, the pristine ballot thing.