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Second Day of Testimony Gets Underway in Derek Chauvin Trial. Aired 11:30a-12p ET
Aired March 30, 2021 - 11:30 ET
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JUDGE PETER CAHILL, HENNEPIN COUNTY, MINNESOTA: Probably.
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We're not going to get to all of them before we take a break, probably one at most. Okay, thank you.
BIANNA GOLODRYGA, CNN ANCHOR: Laura, let's get back to you as we're anticipating to hear these next four guests. Can you give us a sense of who they are and what the judge was referring to when he said because of their age, we're not going to be seeing them on screen? Does that mean they're minors?
LAURA COATES, CNN SENIOR LEGAL ANALYST: Yes. So just before the trial began, as Omar Jimenez has reported, there were going to be several minor witnesses, minor in terms of age, major in terms of the testimony and being able to reveal what they saw as eyewitnesses. You'll recall that in yesterday's opening statement by Prosecutor Blackwell, you saw a picture, the face blacked out, of a young girl in a green shirt wearing the Love T-shirt. She was an eyewitness to what happened to George Floyd. And he expressed that at least she is one of the people who would be testifying along with others about what specifically she saw.
You know, it's very common to have minors testify in trials across the country provided there is no issue with competency. The younger you are, the less likely you're able to be able to appreciate the difference between truth and lie. Therefore, people are not normally calling them. They don't have the most keen sense of observation. But as long as they are competent in the sense of age and they had nothing that was able to undermine their ability to observe an event and they are able to articulate their viewpoints and they have the vocabulary essentially to be able to relay what they saw, they are allowed to testify.
But it is very prudent and very prudent of the judge as a safety issue here. Not to identify the minors in a very highly charged, high- profile case. The jurors themselves have not been identified by name. We're not watching and seeing them or their expressions. The same is now true for at least the next three to four witnesses who are all expected to be, by virtue of their age, minors.
GOLDRYGA: And this one witness, the first that we're going to hear from, has just been sworn in by the judge. So I'm going to interrupt you and I apologize for that. But I do want to ask you quickly about what we just heard from the previous witness, Donald Williams. We got sort of tutorial in MMA and mixed martial arts, a lot of terms that I'm sure our viewers are not familiar with, side choke, air choke, blood choke.
What did you make of that last line of questioning from the defense though? Can you have a conversation when you're rendered unconscious? Where was he going with that, in your view?
COATES: Well, I think it goes back to an earlier statement that the defense was trying to suggest, that there was the idea of --
GOLDRYGA: And, Laura, here we go, interrupting you, hold on to that thought. Let's listen into this next witness.
JERRY BLACKWELL, PROSECUTION ATTORNEY: You are nervous up there?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes.
BLACKWELL: So understandable. I'm just going to take a few minutes this morning to talk with you and give the jury a chance to hear from you about what you saw, how you reacted and what happened on May 25th, okay?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes.
BLACKWELL: First of all, would you tell us how old you are?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I'm 18 years old.
BLACKWELL: And one week ago, were you 18 years old?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: No.
BLACKWELL: So you just had a birthday?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes.
BLACKWELL: And so when we talk about May 25th of last year, you were --
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: 17.
BLACKWELL: Are you a student?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes.
BLACKWELL: Tell us where you go to -- are you in high school?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes.
BLACKWELL: Where do you go to high school?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Ninth through 11th, I went to Roosevelt High School, then made the decision to switch to Augsburg Fairview Academy for my 12th grade year. BLACKWELL: Okay. So you most certainly remember the date of May 25th of last year?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes.
BLACKWELL: I want to take you to a further time period on May 25th, at around 7:00 P.M. on May 25th. Do you recall walking to Cup Foods?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes.
BLACKWELL: And were you by yourself?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: No.
BLACKWELL: Were you walking with a cousin of yours?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes.
BLACKWELL: Do you recall how old your cousin was?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Maybe 12. I'm not sure.
BLACKWELL: Maybe nine?
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Maybe.
BLACKWELL: Now you're walking to Cup Foods, where were you walking from?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Home.
BLACKWELL: So you live nearby?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes.
BLACKWELL: Would you describe Cup Foods as the neighborhood store?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes.
BLACKWELL: Now, the jury may have heard something about this being a dangerous neighborhood. Were you concerned for your safety in walking with your cousin to Cup Foods?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: No.
BLACKWELL: If you had to estimate, how many times you would say you walk to Cup Foods from your home in the neighborhood?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hundreds, maybe even thousands.
BLACKWELL: So you and your cousin walking to Cup Foods, what were you going there for? Do you remember?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I was taking her to get some snacks. BLACKWELL: Your cousin loves snacks?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes.
BLACKWELL: So let's go to May 25th of 2020. I want to show you a couple things just to set the scene for our discussion. I want to show you what is marked for identification purposes for our purposes as Exhibit 13.
Your honor, I think I need a hand. Okay, I got one.
Now, Exhibit 13, do you see two people in that -- in what is a photograph?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes. But I also see two people back there. Does that count?
BLACKWELL: Right. You see two people in the front of the photo and two people in the back?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes.
BLACKWELL: Is this photo a true and accurate depiction of you and your cousin --
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: yes.
BLACKWELL: -- in front of the photograph on May 25th?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes.
BLACKWELL: Your honor, I offer Exhibit 13 in evidence.
CAHILL: Admitted.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No objections.
CAHILL: 13 is received. Would you like me to publish?
BLACKWELL: Yes, your honor, thank you.
All right, now the jury can see it too. Now, this is a screen that you can actually mark on. And so if we see the two people that are right here in front of this picture, there is a little girl with the word love on her sweatshirt and there is another person next to her. One of those person is you?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes.
BLACKWELL: And which one, the bigger or little one?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The bigger one.
BLACKWELL: And this is your cousin next to you?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes. BLACKWELL: And is this as you're walking to Cup Foods?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes.
BLACKWELL: I want to show you what we mark as Exhibit 16 for the trial. If you can pull that upright?
Now is this the video that you have seen before?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes.
BLACKWELL: Do you have personal knowledge of the scene that is depicted in this exhibit?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes.
BLACKWELL: Is this video a true and accurate depiction of the scene that you saw on May 25th, 2020?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes.
BLACKWELL: Your honor, they state offers Exhibit 16 into evidence.
CAHILL: 16 is received.
BLACKWELL: So, Mr. (INAUDIBLE), so if you can play this a little ways, I want to ask you some questions about it.
So we can see what the jury, two people walking from the left to the right. There's a little girl in the green shirt and there you are. Do you see you?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes.
BLACKWELL: And is this as you all were approaching Cup Foods on May 25th?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes.
BLACKWELL: I see there your cousin goes into the store. Why does she go into the store and then you turn around and then came back towards the squad cars?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I wanted to make sure she got in.
BLACKWELL: Can you stop there for a second?
When you walked past the squad car there, did you see anything happening there on the ground as you were walking towards Cup Foods with your cousin?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes. I see a man on the ground and I see a cop kneeling down on him.
BLACKWELL: Was there anything about the scene that you didn't want your cousin to see? UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes.
BLACKWELL: And what was that?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: A man terrified, scared, begging for his life.
BLACKWELL: Is that why you directed your cousin to go into Cup Foods?
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes.
BLACKWELL: And then when you saw what was happening there at the scene, what was it about the scene that caused you to come back?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It wasn't right that he is -- he was suffering. He was in pain.
BLACKWELL: Let me stop you there for just a second. And so when you say, first of all, he, are you referring to the person that you come to know as George Floyd?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes.
BLACKWELL: Did you know anything about Mr. George Floyd before May 25th?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: No.
BLACKWELL: Had you ever met him before?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: No.
BLACKWELL: Ever seen him before to your knowledge?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: No.
BLACKWELL: So when you come back to this scene here that we can see in the Exhibit 16, what did you do when you first got there and we see where you are standing? What did you do?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I pulled out my phone.
BLACKWELL: And what were you doing pulling out your phone?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Recording, capturing what I was seeing.
BLACKWELL: And we have already admitted them into evidence in this case. The video, which you had done, which is our Exhibit 15, that's (INAUDIBLE).
So tell the jury what you observed, what you heard when you stopped to look at what was happening there at the scene.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I heard George Floyd saying, I can't breathe. Please, get off me. I can't breathe. He cried for his mom. He was in pain. It seems like he knew -- seemed like he knew it was over for him. He was terrified. He was suffering. This was a cry for help, definitely.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Disregard any opinions about how Mr. Floyd was feeling. But you can rely on her observations. (INAUDIBLE).
CAHILL: Mr. Blackwell?
BLACKWELL: Thank you, your honor.
Let me show you for a moment -- we'll come back to this discussion. Let me show you Exhibit 17, that is also already in evidence. So can you see the person depicted on Exhibit 17?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes.
BLACKWELL: Are you able to tell ladies and gentlemen of the jury if you know who this man is? You can take your time.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes. Yes.
BLACKWELL: Please tell the ladies and gentlemen who is this?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: This was the officer that was kneeling on George Floyd's neck.
BLACKWELL: On May 25th?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes.
BLACKWELL: Is this the way he appeared when you saw him on May 25th, kneeling on George Floyd's neck?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes.
BLACKWELL: When you first arrived at the scene -- you can take that down now. When you first arrived at the scene and you started recording with your phone camera, were there other bystanders or others that were present at the time?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: No.
BLACKWELL: About how long before other people started to gather with you?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Not even a minute.
BLACKWELL: And could you estimate roughly how many others were just there around you who were also observing what was happening?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Maybe about 12, 14, something around that, maybe.
BLACKWELL: If I showed you a picture of those who were there, might you recognize those who might have been present with you? Let's see. Bring up Exhibit 184. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (INAUDIBLE), is that correct?
BLACKWELL: Yes, your honor, just one moment. Let me make sure it is just only that she can see.
Thank you, Judge.
As you look at Exhibit 184, do these look like in this exhibit the other bystanders who were with you at the scene on May 25th?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes.
BLACKWELL: Your honor, I offer 184.
CAHILL: Any objection?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No objection, your honor.
BLACKWELL: So, looking at this picture, photograph of 184, can you identify for us any of the other bystanders? We know that you identified your cousin to the right.
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How about any of other people or others here in the photograph?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: This is a former friend. She's a friend I went to school with, Alyssa (ph).
BLACKWELL: Would you just point her out so that you can mark on the screen?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: right there.
CAHILL: I'm sorry, (INAUDIBLE)?
BLACKWELL: I'm sorry, judge. Can you repeat that?
CAHILL: The arrow is on the screen.
BLACKWELL: The arrow is on the screen?
CAHILL: She can point.
BLACKWELL: Just one moment, your honor. Is she able to mark from where she is?
CAHILL: She put the arrow on the screen. (INAUDIBLE), is that correct?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes.
CAHILL: Okay. You see the arrow, Mr. Blackwell?
I can't see anything on the screen.
All right, you mentioned there is another one of your friends in the picture?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes.
BLACKWELL: And what was your friend's name?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Alyssa (ph).
BLACKWELL: And could you again point out Alyssa (ph)? Okay, now I see it. Thank you.
And what about any other person you know here?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: No. On the scene, I do know people that was there at the last minute. I know some of the workers because I lived there for a while.
BLACKWELL: But you were there the whole time as these various group of bystanders gathered together on May 25th?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes.
BLACKWELL: If somebody were to tell the ladies and gentlemen of this jury that you and the rest of the bystanders who were there were an unruly crowd or mob --
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Objection, (INAUDIBLE).
BLACKWELL: I didn't finish the question, your honor.
CAHILL: (INAUDIBLE). So, let's rephrase as a non-leading question, please.
BLACKWELL: All right. I want you to describe the nature and character of the persons gathered together there. Would you describe yourselves as an unruly mob or an unruly crowd?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Objection, leading.
CAHILL: Sustained. No, overruled. I think that is the only way to get an answer. Sidebar after this answer. Go ahead.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: No. I would say everyone, we were reacting multiple different ways from what they were seeing, which it wasn't right. We all know it wasn't right.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Objection.
CAHILL: The last part of the answer is stricken. I'd like a sidebar with counsel.
GOLODRYGA: Laura Coates, let's bring you back in as we're awaiting for the sidebar to conclude. As we had mentioned earlier, we had just been hearing from an 18-year-old witness who was 17 years old at the time. That's classified as a minor. And that's why we do not see her. Quite understandable for someone that age or any party to have witnessed what they did. There were moments where she became a bit emotional. But she did offer context as to why she was there and what she saw. What do you make of what she said thus far?
COATES: It's been very powerful. Very sad to see a teenager just talking about the idea of bringing her little cousin, the phrase, to go get snacks, it strikes a chord with you as a parent to know that children were witnessing what was happening here. And having her have the wherewithal to usher in her younger cousin inside so she didn't have to see what was going on.
And what struck her and made her start to film what was happening because she said that she heard a cry for help, as she described him calling for his mother, he was terrified, scared.
Now, of course, the judge has stricken part of her testimony because of answers like that, because she's been offering --
GOLODRYGA: Laura, let's bring our viewers --
COATES: -- (INAUDIBLE) toothpaste back in the tube.
GOLODRYGA: Let's bring our viewers back into the examination and the questioning.
BLACKWELL: -- violent with the police?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: No.
BLACKWELL: Did you at the scene on May 25th see any violence at the scene at all, anywhere?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes, from the cops, from Chauvin and from Officer Thao. i think that is his name.
BLACKWELL: Other than the violence you saw from Mr. Chauvin and the other police, did you see any act of violence from the bystanders who were there?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: No.
BLACKWELL: Did you see any of the bystanders that acted in any way that you would describe as unruly?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: No.
BLACKWELL: Do you think it's fair to call them a mob?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: No.
BLACKWELL: Among the bystanders that were there, did you see any of them make an effort to actually offer care for Mr. Floyd?
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Physically?
BLACKWELL: Yes? UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I've seen -- I heard them say, get off of him, you're hurting him, he can't breathe, he's not moving. But anytime someone tried to get close, they were defensive, so we couldn't even get close.
BLACKWELL: So, first, let's just stick with what you heard the bystanders. The bystanders were saying things to Mr. Chauvin?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes.
BLACKWELL: What things did you hear that were being said to Mr. Chauvin by the bystanders?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You're hurting him, are you enjoying this, he can't breathe, he's not moving, his nose is bleeding, you're a bum, pretty much words around that category.
BLACKWELL: And when you arrived at the scene, can you describe for us, first of all, what was the position of Mr. Floyd when you arrived at the scene and saw him by the squad car?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He was laid down on the ground restrained. It didn't look like he could move much, but his head.
BLACKWELL: And by restrained, was he in handcuffs?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes.
BLACKWELL: By restrained, where was Mr. Chauvin in relation to Mr. Floyd?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He was -- his knee was kneeling on his neck. It was two other officers holding him down as well.
BLACKWELL: And what did you hear or see Mr. Floyd doing while he was being restrained underneath, as you described, the knee of Mr. Chauvin?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He was complaining about -- he was stating that he was in pain, he said his neck, his back, everything hurts, I can't breathe, mom. He said I would get up if I could, something around that. I wouldn't say that's his exact words. But, yes, pretty much he was saying how much in pain he was. He couldn't breathe.
BLACKWELL: At some point, was there a person who came to the scene who identified himself as a firefighter?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes.
BLACKWELL: Are you able to see her in this Exhibit 184?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes.
BLACKWELL: Could you point to her?
Okay, let the record reflect she's pointing to Genevieve Hanson. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Objection, as far as the name, she's identified who she believes is the firefighter (INAUDIBLE).
CAHILL: The record will reflect that the witness has identified the person dressed in black, holding up a phone, with a white head band in Exhibit 184.
BLACKWELL: When this person who identified herself as a firefighter came, what did she do?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She asked them to check his pulse.
BLACKWELL: Who did she ask to check?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Chauvin.
BLACKWELL: And he -- she asked Officer Chauvin to check the pulse of Mr. Floyd?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes.
BLACKWELL: Then what happened?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He remained kneeling on his neck, and she asked multiple times, not just once.
BLACKWELL: Then what did she do? Did she try to check his pulse?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: No, they wouldn't even let us get close.
BLACKWELL: And what prevented your getting close when you say they wouldn't let us get close.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: They were quick to pull out mace.
BLACKWELL: Who pulled out mace?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Officer Thao and Chauvin. I don't -- he put his hand on his mace. They put their hand on their mace. I can't remember if they actually pointed it at us but they definitely put their hand on the mace and we all backed back.
BLACKWELL: Did you feel threatened by the police officers?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes.
BLACKWELL: Did you feel threatened by Mr. Chauvin?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes.
BLACKWELL: Why is that?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He seemed like -- how do I word this? I felt like I was in danger when he did that. It rubbed me the wrong way. I didn't understand why they would do that, what we did for them to make us -- to make them do that. That's how I felt threatened. I don't understand why the mace was even needed at all.
BLACKWELL: So, as you were observing Mr. Floyd under the knee of Mr. Chauvin, did you ever see Mr. Chauvin do anything to offer care to Mr. Floyd?
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: No.
BLACKWELL: Did he ever either let up or get up so that he could breathe?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: No.
BLACKWELL: Did you ever see him try to administer CPR?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: No.
BLACKWELL: Did you see him call anyone else to administer aid to Mr. Floyd?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: No.
BLACKWELL: Did he call out and ask if anybody amongst the bystanders knew CPR who might be able to help?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Not at all.
BLACKWELL: At what point did you see -- well, let me ask this. Did an ambulance at some point arrive at the scene?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes.
BLACKWELL: And you saw the ambulance arrive there?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes.
BLACKWELL: Now, roughly, how many minutes after you first started watching what was happening to Mr. Floyd did the ambulance show up?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The end of my video. The video was about ten minutes. I would say maybe somewhere around 9:00. I'm not sure.
BLACKWELL: So was there any point in your video whether it's nine or ten minutes that Mr. Chauvin ever let up or got up off of the neck of Mr. Floyd that you saw?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: No. If anything, he actually was kneeling harder. It looked like he was shoving his knee in his neck. He was --
BLACKWELL: So was it your experience then, as the bystanders, cried out that Mr. Chauvin kneeled in even harder? Is that what you're saying?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Can you rephrase that?
BLACKWELL: You told us that it looked like Mr. Chauvin was kneeling in even harder on Mr. Floyd.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes.
BLACKWELL: Was there anything that that was in response to that he was kneeling harder?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I felt like he was feeding off of our energy.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Calls for speculation.
CAHILL: Should we take our morning break at this time?
BLACKWELL: Yes, your honor.
CAHILL: All right.
Members of the jury we're going to break until 11:15.
JOHN KING, CNN INSIDE POLITICS: You're watching day two of the testimony, a break now, the trial of Officer Derek Chauvin, former Officer Derek Chauvin, obviously in the killing of George Floyd in Minneapolis. This is the second full day of testimony, prosecution witnesses also being cross-examined by the defense.
You were just listening right there to a now 18-year-old witness, her initials are D.F., we are not identifying the minors who were there on that day, testifying about her firsthand recollections of the scene back in May watching, watching Officer Derek Chauvin, she said, repeatedly, consistently kneeling on the neck of George Floyd until an ambulance arrived.
Let's bring in our CNN Legal Analyst Laura Coates to discuss the testimony today. And, Laura, as a former prosecutor, lay out for us why this is so important. We talked about this yesterday. And for those who watch trial shows on T.V. this is very different because the prosecution is methodically trying to lay out who was at the scene, just to prove that they were there, substantiate that they were there, in part to get their eyewitness testimony but also to authenticate their videos that are a critical piece of the evidence, to prove that this witness, for example, who took, she says, a ten-minute video, and we saw the pictures, she was standing right there a few feet away from this crime.
COATES: Yes, you go through a holistic approach, just methodical for that very reason. Because if you're going to refer to these videos, different police reports, or any other data throughout the trial, there will be some redundancy about the evidence that is given or exhibits. You want to have the people who were the ones either take them, draft or create the actual evidence to be able to authenticate it. It's a very important step so that you cannot later down the road claim that there was some sort of doctoring or somehow the prosecution put the thumb on the scale or did anything nefarious in some way. You have to go through this process.
But what you're also seeing here, John, is having corroboration occur. You're having what I saw. You're seeing -- almost like the road map of a prosecutor is I'm going to tell you what I'm going to tell you. I'm going to tell you. And then I'm going to tell you what I just told you. Well, here, I'm going to tell you what the evidence is. I'm going to show you the evidence. I'm going to show you the different vantage points and the people who were a part of it. The voices you heard on the video in the opening statement, I'm going to have that testify and witness talk about it. The statements you saw, the things that came in, I'm going to have it from the person, to the proverbial horse's mouth to tell you about these things.
And I'm going to give you different vantage points and also a different scope of credibility. Because, remember, as they tried to attack one of the witnesses already about whether he was an expert in MMA and whether or not his angry shouts imploring the officers to render aid to save a life somehow influenced their actions, it shows that it did not. But all that's going to be testing the different witnesses, giving the jury an opportunity to look at different witnesses and say, who do I believe? Which testimony resonates?
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And it's hard to think that an 18-year-old who is crying on the stand was there to bring her little cousin to get snacks, John.
