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3rd Day of Testimony in Derek Chauvin Trial; Prosecutor Questions Witness in Chauvin Murder Trail. Aired 2:30-3p ET
Aired March 31, 2021 - 14:30 ET
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[14:30:00]
ERIN ELDRIDGE, MINNESOTA ASSISTANT ATTORNEY GENERAL: OK. And you said he was in handcuffs. Was Mr. Floyd walking across the street?
CHARLES MCMILLIAN, WITNESS: Yes, he was walking -- he was walking up the sidewalk with them.
ELDRIDGE: Then what happened?
MCMILLIAN: He said somebody couldn't -- he said something -- I can't quote right what he said, but whatever he said, they let him sit down.
ELDRIDGE: OK. Were you watching that part of the interaction where he was sitting down?
MCMILLIAN: Yes, ma'am.
ELDRIDGE: And where were you? Were you still on that -
MCMILLIAN: I was on the - I was on the Cup Food side.
ELDRIDGE: OK. I'm going to try not to talk over you. But if you wait for the question, and I'll try not to do the same thing.
MCMILLIAN: Yes, ma'am. I'm sorry. Thank you.
ELDRIDGE: Just so we (INAUDIBLE).
OK. You on the Cup Food side. You see them sit him down and try and walk. Could you hear what was going on in terms of the whole conversation?
MCMILLIAN: No, ma'am.
ELDRIDGE: OK. But you were watching what was going on?
MCMILLIAN: Yes, ma'am.
ELDRIDGE: Did they move again after that?
MCMILLIAN: Yes, ma'am. They helped him get up off the sidewalk.
ELDRIDGE: OK. Then, after he got up off the sidewalk, where did they go? MCMILLIAN: They went north across the street at the red light, which
would be going north through the red light.
ELDRIDGE: Did they head toward Cup Foods at that point?
MCMILLIAN: Yes. Yes, ma'am.
ELDRIDGE: OK. Where were you? Did you stay where you were? Or did you follow?
MCMILLIAN: I didn't -- I went down to the sidewalk almost to the edge of Cup Foods.
ELDRIDGE: OK.
MCMILLIAN: And to the stoplight.
ELDRIDGE: And I'm going to put up - can you take a sample?
Did we show you some pictures and videos from that day, prior to your testimony in court today? Did you see some videos and pictures on a previous date when we met before?
MCMILLIAN: Yes, I did.
ELDRIDGE: All right. I'm going to put up, just for you, but not for the jury, what we have marked as exhibit 38, please.
All right. Do you see that in front of you?
MCMILLIAN: Yes, ma'am.
ELDRIDGE: Do you recognize yourself in that picture?
MCMILLIAN: Yes, I do.
ELDRIDGE: Is that what you looked like on May 25th and what you were wearing?
MCMILLIAN: Yes.
ELDRIDGE: All right.
We would offer exhibit 38.
ERIC NELSON, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: No objection.
PETER CAHILL, HENNEPIN COUNTY DISTRICT JUDGE: All right, 38 is received.
ELDRIDGE: We will publish that to the jury.
All right. So now the jury is getting to see that's what you were wearing. That's what you looked like on May 25th. Is that right?
MCMILLIAN: Yes. ELDRIDGE: So it looks like you're walking down the sidewalk, talking
about getting closer. Did you get closer at that point?
MCMILLIAN: Yes.
ELDRIDGE: OK.
We can take that down.
After you see the officers walk Mr. Floyd toward Cup Foods and you're getting closer, what did you see then?
MCMILLIAN: I seen them come through the intersection with Mr. Floyd. And I was just standing, observing like I was doing. When they came through the intersection, they went on to the car with him.
ELDRIDGE: When you say the car, what car are you referring to?
MCMILLIAN: The squad car.
ELDRIDGE: OK. They were taking Mr. Floyd to the squad car at that point, is that right?
MCMILLIAN: Yes, ma'am.
ELDRIDGE: Was he still handcuffed at that point?
MCMILLIAN: Yes, ma'am.
ELDRIDGE: Was Mr. Floyd walking with those officers?
MCMILLIAN: Yes, ma'am.
ELDRIDGE: Was it just those two officers at that point?
MCMILLIAN: Yes.
ELDRIDGE: Did you know either of those two officers?
MCMILLIAN: No.
ELDRIDGE: OK. And then did you continue to observe after they got to that squad car?
MCMILLIAN: Yes, I did.
ELDRIDGE: What did you see then?
MCMILLIAN: Just standing, observing them getting him into the car, you know, and just paying attention like I always was.
ELDRIDGE: And was Mr. Floyd saying anything at that point this time?
MCMILLIAN: Yes, he was.
ELDRIDGE: Were you engaging in a conversation with Mr. Floyd as well? MCMILLIAN: Yes, I was.
ELDRIDGE: So tell the jury just a little bit about what was going on in that moment?
MCMILLIAN: At the time I was engaged with Mr. Floyd, that officer was, you know, trying to get him in the car and everything, talking to him. I would tell him, Mr. Floyd, Mr. Floyd, just comply with them, get on in the car, because you can't win. Something to that nature.
ELDRIDGE: OK. And before, as you were watching Mr. Floyd walk up to the squad car, he was seated down, and then he was walked across the street.
Any of those moments in time, did you see Mr. Floyd fighting or being violent with the officers from the moment he was taken out of the car, then sat down and walked across the street?
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MCMILLIAN: No.
ELDRIDGE: OK. And then you're describing what was going on -- he was handcuffed the whole time, right?
MCMILLIAN: Yes.
ELDRIDGE: You're talking about trying to get him into the car.
Did we previously show you a video that showed your position and what you were watching, as well as what one of the officer's body cam showed at that moment? Did you see that on a previous date?
MCMILLIAN: Yes.
ELDRIDGE: Did that show accurately and fairly what you saw as well as what you heard and what was going on with respect to Mr. Floyd at the squad car? Did that show what was happening?
MCMILLIAN: Yes.
ELDRIDGE: OK. And just so I'm clearly describing it to you -- I know you saw a number of videos. There was one that had a view from one of the officers' body cameras combined with a surveillance camera showing where you were standing. That's what we have market as exhibit 39.
You said that that video showed what you were doing and what you saw and heard. Is that right?
MCMILLIAN: Yes.
ELDRIDGE: All right. I would offer exhibit 39.
NELSON: No objection.
CAHILL: Thirty-nine is received. ELDRIDGE: And we will publish that now.
Does that show you walking by -- just one moment.
Before we play, the top screen, does that show where you're standing next to the squad car?
MCMILLIAN: Yes.
ELDRIDGE: Can you just point yourself out on the top screen?
And then the other video that's embedded within what's shown here, that shows the officer and Mr. Floyd at the car. Is that right?
MCMILLIAN: Yes.
ELDRIDGE: OK. All right.
We will clear that and then we will continue to play.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
MCMILLIAN: Mr. Floyd, you ain't going to win.
GEORGE FLOYD, DIED DURING ARREST BY MINNEAPOLIS POLICE OFFICERS: I don't want to do nothing to him.
(CROSSTALK)
FLOYD: Man, man.
MCMILLIAN: You made a mistake.
FLOYD: My breathing.
(CROSSTALK)
UNIDENTIFIED LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER: OK. OK. I'm going in.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
ELDRIDGE: All right. We're at 18:07.
Just to sort of summarize what's happened thus far, are you having a conversation with Mr. Floyd at that point?
MCMILLIAN: Yes, ma'am.
ELDRIDGE: What's going on in that consideration?
MCMILLIAN: I'm watching Mr. Floyd. He's saying he won't get in the back seat of the police car. I'm trying to get him to understand that when you make a mistake, once they get you in the car, it's no certain thing, you're going to go with him. I was trying to get him to go.
ELDRIDGE: OK. And you're saying -- is it your voice saying, things like, you can't win?
MCMILLIAN: Yes, ma'am.
ELDRIDGE: Why were you saying that?
MCMILLIAN: Because I've had interaction with officers myself, and I understand, once you get in the car, you're done. That's the way I look at it.
ELDRIDGE: Were you trying to help him to just help him to --
MCMILLIAN: Make the situation easy.
ELDRIDGE: Got it. So you were trying to make the situation easier.
There were some comments about, you know, I'm claustrophobic, and I believe there was a response. Were you having a conversation with Mr. Floyd at that point in time?
MCMILLIAN: Yes, ma'am.
ELDRIDGE: Did you feel like he was hearing you and understanding you, what you were saying?
MCMILLIAN: Yes, ma'am.
ELDRIDGE: Like you say, you were trying to make it easier, to help?
MCMILLIAN: Yes, ma'am.
ELDRIDGE: We have this stopped at 8:18:07.
Did other officers arrive?
MCMILLIAN: Yes, ma'am.
ELDRIDGE: Did you know any of the other officers that arrived?
MCMILLIAN: Yes, ma'am.
ELDRIDGE: Who did you know?
MCMILLIAN: Mr. Chauvin right there.
ELDRIDGE: If you can point to him on the screen there.
You've made a mark with the arrow reporting to Mr. Chauvin.
How did you know Mr. Chauvin?
MCMILLIAN: Five days prior to this happening, I pulled up on a squad car and I seen Mr. Chauvin, and I told him, like tell other officers, at the end of the day, you go home to your family safe, and the next person goes to their home safe.
[14:40:01] ELDRIDGE: So you had just met him in the community a few days prior? Is that right?
MCMILLIAN: I had seen him in the community prior to then. But the day I pulled up on him, I gave him the recommendation of what I said.
ELDRIDGE: So you had seen him five days or so prior, had a conversation with him. But you had known him in the community before that as well? Is that right.
MCMILLIAN: I had seen him through the community. I didn't know him.
ELDRIDGE: You recognized him as an officer in the community?
MCMILLIAN: Yes, ma'am. (INAUDIBLE)
ELDRIDGE: OK.
MCMILLIAN: (INAUDIBLE)
ELDRIDGE: I apologize. I'll try to slow down. You try to slow down. We'll take a breath.
MCMILLIAN: Yes, ma'am.
ELDRIDGE: And I'm going to try not to talk over to you, do my best.
All right. OK. So I'm going to let the video play, and we can pause it for some follow-ups.
Go ahead. Thank you.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
MCMILLIAN: You can't win.
FLOYD: I'm not trying to win. I'm not trying to win. I'm on the ground. I didn't do anything.
UNIDENTIFIED LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER: Get in the car.
FLOYD: He know it. He know it. The officer, you all hear me, don't do me like that.
(CROSSTALK)
UNIDENTIFIED LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER: If you get in this car, we can talk.
FLOYD: I'm claustrophobic, man. I'm claustrophobic, man.
UNIDENTIFIED LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER: You're arguing with me.
FLOYD: I'm claustrophobic.
(CROSSTALK) UNIDENTIFIED LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER: Get in the car.
FLOYD: Let any get in the front.
UNIDENTIFIED LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER: No. You're not getting in the front.
(CROSSTALK)
UNIDENTIFIED LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER: Get in the car.
FLOYD: OK. OK. I'm not a bad guy.
UNIDENTIFIED LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER: In the car.
(SHOUTING)
FLOYD: Oh, man, please, officer, please.
(SHOUTING)
UNIDENTIFIED LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER: Sit. Take a seat.
FLOYD: Please, please.
UNIDENTIFIED LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER: Take a seat.
FLOYD: I can't choke. I can't breathe, officer. Please, please.
UNIDENTIFIED LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER: You're fine.
(SHOUTING)
FLOYD: My wrist, man. My wrist, man.
(CROSSTALK)
FLOYD: I can't. I can't.
UNIDENTIFIED LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER: On the ground. On the ground.
FLOYD: I'm going down. I'm going down.
(SHOUTING)
(CROSSTALK)
UNIDENTIFIED LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER: Get in the squad.
FLOYD: I'm going down. I'm going down. (INAUDIBLE)
MCMILLIAN: He's going to have a heart attack.
(CROSSTALK)
FLOYD: I can't breathe. MCMILLIAN: Get in the car.
(SHOUTING)
FLOYD: I can't breathe. I can't breathe, man.
UNIDENTIFIED LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER: Take a seat.
FLOYD: Please, man. Please listen to me.
MCMILLIAN: Is he going to jail?
UNIDENTIFIED LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER: He's under arrest right now for forgery --
(CROSSTALK)
UNIDENTIFIED LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER: -- until we figure out what's going on.
FLOYD: I can't breathe.
UNIDENTIFIED LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER: Take him out.
FLOYD: Wait. Please, man.
UNIDENTIFIED LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER: Come on out.
FLOYD: Thank you. Thank you.
(SHOUTING)
UNIDENTIFIED LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER: Get on the ground. On the ground.
(CROSSTALK)
UNIDENTIFIED LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER: All right.
(SHOUTING)
UNIDENTIFIED LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER: We got you out. Restraint, hobble.
FLOYD: I can't breathe.
UNIDENTIFIED LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER: Jesus Christ.
FLOYD: I can't breathe. I can't breathe.
UNIDENTIFIED LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER: Stop moving.
FLOYD: Mama. Mama. Mama.
UNIDENTIFIED LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER: One of the front pouches on my right-side bag. FLOYD: Mama. Mama. Mama.
UNIDENTIFIED LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER: The other kind.
FLOYD: All right. Oh, my god.
(CROSSTALK)
FLOYD: I can't breathe. I can't breathe. I can't breathe, man.
DISPATCHER: (INAUDIBLE)
FLOYD: Mama.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
ELDRIDGE: Stop it right here, please.
Mr. McMillian, do you need a minute?
(CRYING)
MCMILLIAN: Oh, my god.
ELDRIDGE: Just take your time. Let us know when you're ready.
I'm not sure if there's water as well.
If you need a break to get some water, let me know. We can take a break.
MCMILLIAN: I'm fine.
ELDRIDGE: May I approach, Your Honor?
CAHILL: You may.
MCMILLIAN: Thank you.
Thank you.
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ELDRIDGE: All right. Are you OK?
MCMILLIAN: Yes.
ELDRIDGE: I know this is difficult.
Can you just explain sort of what you're feeling in this moment?
MCMILLIAN: I feel helpless. I don't have a mama, either. I understand him. My mom died June 25th.
ELDRIDGE: Hang on just one second.
CAHILL: Let's take a 10-minute break.
ELDRIDGE: We'll take a little break.
BROOKE BALDWIN, CNN HOST: OK. We're going to come out of this. Ooh, forgive me. Just watching a grown man, um.
Elie Honig, save me, former federal prosecutor.
Just watching that, I think that's the first time we've seen the police officer body cam, and hearing this grown man on the ground saying, I can't breathe over and over and over again.
You hear this witness saying, you can't win. He's in the squad car, you can't win.
Your reaction to all of that?
ELIE HONIG, CNN LEGAL ANALYST: Brooke, what a powerful -- and for this jury and for all of us.
First of all, we just talked before this witness took the stand how traumatic it can be for people who witness this thing. You see this in witnesses, even those who are utterly blameless like this gentleman.
The emotional impact stays with them. It will stay with them the rest of their lives.
That was a searing moment, we came back from the body camera footage, and here is this older man, who was very confident and calm on the stand up until that moment.
When he saw that video and when it came back to him, he had his head down, he was sobbing. And it was an incredibly true, genuine and really moving, upsetting movement.
BALDWIN: Charles Ramsey, Chief, I want your reaction. You and I were speaking yesterday about waiting to see the police officer body cam footage.
I want to know everything you thought as you watched that.
CHARLES RAMSEY, CNN LAW ENFORCEMENT ANALYST: Well, you know, the videos are hard to watch, especially when you know what the outcome is going to be. It's like you're reliving it all over again.
But you can see where he's not getting in the car. He's saying he's claustrophobic. He's a big guy. And trying to put him in the cage car, even if it's an SUV, there's not a lot of legroom.
It's not unusual to go around to the other side to pull a person in. But once they got him in, I'm not sure why they took him out. I need to see more to see what the rationale for that was.
Obviously, Floyd was struggling, saying he wouldn't breathe and so forth. There was some kicking of the legs initially. So one of the officers was securing his legs. But again, just because the force initially was -- could have been
justified, getting him in the car, controlling his legs, it doesn't mean the same level of force is still justified minutes later once the resistance stops.
Evan though it doesn't show on this video, we all know now there's a significant period of time, four-plus minutes, I think, when there's no motion, there's no resistance. And that's when obviously the force should have stopped.
BALDWIN: I just imagine people are watching this and thinking, how do you go from a counterfeit bill to trying to shove this very large man inside of this cage car, inside of the squad car. And then ultimately, knowing the end with the knee on the neck as he turned purple, as some witnesses described.
And also, Commissioner, staying with you, one of the witnesses say he didn't see Mr. Floyd fighting with police.
What did you make of that?
RAMSEY: Well, yes, he was handcuffed. When we say fighting, there was some level of resistance. He wasn't getting in the car. He was flailing his legs when he initially was pulled back out of the car.
But again, ultimately, at what point in time does force cease? And that's really the issue here. Not the initial use of force as much as what happens afterwards.
Once he's under control, he's on the ground, he's handcuffed, you've got control of his legs, he's not going anywhere. Now, you know, do you start to ease up on the force or stop the force all together or do you continue?
Unfortunately, they continued. That's why we're having this trial now, is because of that.
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BALDWIN: I'm also struck just by, you know, how many witnesses we've seen testify that they happened to be working at the Speedway or Cup Foods or were in the area, and they all stopped because they knew, in their words, something clearly was wrong.
Elie, I'm just wondering, if I'm sitting there as a juror, and the emotion from this gentleman there, but I'm just wondering how that resonates.
HONIG: It resonates so strongly, Brooke, because all of these witnesses are normal, everyday people. They're not cops, lawyers or prosecutors.
And so are the jurors. When the jurors see that intuitive reaction that the witnesses had at the scene, the jurors are much more likely to understand that.
Picking up on Commissioner Ramsey's point, we're seeing the body-worn camera. This is relatively new technology in policing.
I know the commissioner has been on the forefront of pushing police departments across the country to use this technology.
Here we are seeing why it's so important, so valuable. It literally puts you in the police officer's shoes.
BALDWIN: Yes.
HONIG: To this point, we've all seen the video taken by the young woman who testified yesterday, which is gruesome, but you're at a safe distance. You're where she is, 10, 15 feet away. Now this video.
(CROSSTALK)
HONIG: You feel like you're literally on top of George Floyd. You're in it. That's why it hits so hard. It's so visceral. I think that's why the witness had that strong reaction.
BALDWIN: Commissioner, did you want to say something?
RAMSEY: What I was going to say was, the body-worn camera has changed a lot in terms of how we view and review use-of-force cases.
As I said once before, I've reviewed thousands of these things. But in the last decade, when more and more video started becoming available to observe, you're able to actually see exactly what it is that took place.
You're not relying on written statements any longer. You can actually see for yourself.
When you start to judge whether or not force was justified, again, you can look at it from beginning to end.
When you're looking at a witness statement, you really don't get that same sense that you do when you're looking at an actual video of what took place.
And you'll also pick up the audio. So, we didn't hear much of it this time. But you'll begin, as they start to really show the body-worn camera video from the various officers, what were they saying to one another?
Did one actually think they should get this guy up and move him around so he could breathe? Did somebody think it was a wise idea to check for a pulse?
I don't know the answer to that, but we'll find out pretty soon once they start showing that body-worn camera video.
BALDWIN: And staying with you with a quick follow-up because you were jumping in and analyzing what we did see from the body camera footage.
And we saw George Floyd, as you pointed out, resisting a bit and kicking, as he was being shoved in the squad car. What is -- what is the piece you feel like you were saying is missing to help you understand or judge the ultimate use of force? What do you want to know?
RAMSEY: Well, I mean, at what point in time did the actual resistance stop? Now, we know, based on the film that we've seen so far, it stopped fairly early on.
Now, there's like almost a five-minute period of time when there's no resistance. Why the force?
What kind of conversation was taking place? Why did you feel it was necessary? How come you didn't get him up and then get him in the car?
Now, I don't know if Minneapolis uses the larger squad rolls or the wagons to transport when you have a person that size. Sometimes you're better off calling for a wagon to transport.
Minneapolis may not use wagons because they have the SUVs with the cage. I don't know the answer to that.
But that would be one way of being able to deal with someone who is large and trying to put him in that smaller area.
Those are all going to be questions they're going to have to come up at some point in time when they start to talk to people within the department to better understand training, better understand policy, all those kinds of things.
BALDWIN: And, Elie, over to you.
I'm just trying to put myself in the shoes of this most recent witness, Mr. McMillen. As he's sitting there, obviously, he lived it. Right.
And he's watching along with the rest of the courtroom the video from both the surveillance and also the body cam and hearing the pleading of George Floyd, you know, I can't breathe.
Would he have -- would the prosecution have played that video to him prior to testifying or is this fresh for him?
HONIG: So, that's an interesting strategic decision. Sometimes you want to prepare the witness, show them everything you're going to show them.
Sometimes you don't. Sometimes you want that visceral reaction. You want the sort of straight, unvarnished reaction.
I think one of the reasons this witness is reacting so strongly, when you look at it, he's the last civilian, he's the last sympathetic human being who had a conversation back and forth with George Floyd.
And I think the enormity of that may be hitting him at that moment as well.
BALDWIN: Yes.
Elie, Commissioner, gentlemen, stand by.
[14:54:59]
We're going to take a quick commercial break. Back with this trial momentarily. I'm Brooke Baldwin. You're watching CNN.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
CAHILL: Ms. Eldridge?
ELDRIDGE: Thank you, Your Honor.
All right, Mr. McMillian, we have the video paused for a minute. I'm going to ask you some questions about that and then we can move on from there, OK?
MCMILLIAN: Yes, ma'am.
ELDRIDGE: All right. We have it stopped at 8:20:51.
What did you see at the beginning of this clip in terms of the officers putting Mr. Floyd in the car? Can you just describe what you saw? From your perspective.
MCMILLIAN: Well, what I'm -- what I'm standing at looking at now, where they had Mr. Floyd on the passenger side of the car with the trunk up, the other officer was trying to get some scrap -- called hog tying, that's what I'm engaging in right now.
ELDRIDGE: OK. So, in this image right now, where it's frozen at 8:20.51, can you just point out where you are?
And you said -- you're talking about the other office. I think you used the word "hog tied." Can you describe what you mean by that?
MCMILLIAN: I guess you looking for scraps where they tie you up.
ELDRIDGE: So, where we have this video stopped, you were watching -
MCMILLIAN: (INAUDIBLE)
ELDRIDGE: Sorry. Is that better?
MCMILLIAN: Yes. (INAUDIBLE)
ELDRIDGE: OK. I just want to make sure I can hear you and you can hear me. I have trouble hearing with all the plexiglass and masks. So I apologize.
So could you describe what you're seeing at that point?
MCMILLIAN: I'm seeing Mr. Floyd on the ground.
ELDRIDGE: And is anyone else on the ground? MCMILLIAN: Repeat that, please.
ELDRIDGE: Is anyone with him on the ground?
MCMILLIAN: Yes, ma'am.
ELDRIDGE: What do you see in terms of the other officers?
I see two officers on the back of him. And I see the officer in the front with him. And I see Mr. Thao. That's who's at the trunk of the car.
ELDRIDGE: OK. And you're -- I think you saw Mr. Thao. Did you know the other officer who was at the back of the car? Did you know who he was, that officer at the back?
MCMILLIAN: No, ma'am. I don't know him.
ELDRIDGE: And you don't know his name today, do you?
MCMILLIAN: Thao. Thao. I don't really know his name.
ELDRIDGE: But another officer you weren't familiar with at that time?
MCMILLIAN: No, ma'am.
ELDRIDGE: OK. What about Officer Chauvin, you said you knew him, is that right?
MCMILLIAN: I did know his name at the time. But I know of him by -- in the squad car and what I said to him. But I didn't know who he was.
ELDRIDGE: So you later realized that you knew --
MCMILLIAN: His name, yes, ma'am.
ELDRIDGE: OK.
All right. I'm going to back you up a little bit. Before these officers were on the ground with Mr. Floyd and an officer at the back, at the beginning of this clip, they were getting him into the car, is that right?
MCMILLIAN: Yes, ma'am.
ELDRIDGE: OK. At that time, you were having a conversation with Mr. Floyd, is that right?
MCMILLIAN: Yes, ma'am.
ELDRIDGE: And were you continuing to have a conversation with Mr. Floyd throughout this process?
MCMILLIAN: I can't recall right now.
ELDRIDGE: Did you hear Mr. Floyd speaking? MCMILLIAN: Yes, ma'am.
ELDRIDGE: And then at times, were you also speaking to him?
MCMILLIAN: I want to say yes.
ELDRIDGE: OK. Anything you said that's captured on camera, that would have been what you said in that moment, is that right, over the course of the time of your interaction with Mr. Floyd?
MCMILLIAN: Yes, ma'am.
ELDRIDGE: OK. So, what stood out to you about what Mr. Floyd was saying when you saw him on the ground?
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MCMILLIAN: When he kept saying, I can't breathe. And when he said mama, they're killing me. They're killing me.
