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Live Coverage of FDA Media Call Explaining Johnson & Johnson Vaccine Pause; Live Coverage of Billy Evans Motorcade; Live Coverage of Derek Chauvin Trial. Aired 10:30-11a ET
Aired April 13, 2021 - 10:30 ET
THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Thank you.
Sarah Owermohle (ph), you may go ahead and please state your outlet.
SARAH OWERMOHLE, REPORTER, POLITICO: Hi, thank you, this is Sarah Owermohle from Politico. Going back to Caroline's (ph) question on subgroups, I know that there's a few cases now, but is there any sort (ph) of risk from links (ph) to birth control? Because all of the women are of childbearing age.
And then also, obviously there are six confirmed cases now, but probably more going to come out as people recognize this. So is there a number, how many probable cases are -- you guys have on your horizon right now?
ANNE SCHUCHAT, PRINCIPAL DEPUTY DIRECTOR, CDC: Dr. Marks?
PETER MARKS, DIRECTOR, FDA CENTER FOR BIOLOGICS EVALUATION AND RESEARCH: This is -- Jay (ph), I'm happy to take this one, yes, thanks very much.
So at this time, it's not clear that there's any association with the oral contraceptive pill, birth control in the individuals who had these blood clots. Additionally, I think it's too early to make any speculation on how many cases will come out. I do agree with you that it's possible we will learn of more cases, and that's part of the reason why we're taking the pause to try to ascertain that. But I cannot speculate on how many more we'll learn of. Hopefully it's just going to be a few.
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JANET WOODCOCK, ACTING FDA COMMISSIONER: Operator, we'll take the next question.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Thank you. Leigh Ann Winick, you may go ahead, and please state your outlet.
LEIGH ANN WINICK, REPORTER, CBS NEWS: Hi, I'm from CBS News. And I actually have two questions. As you mentioned that some people may have a conversation with their health care provider and decide that this is appropriate for them, but most people are going to mass vaccination sites and don't have that relationship. Are there certain risk factors that an individual would know from their medical history?
And secondly, could you estimate the number of J&J that were meant to be given out in the days ahead and how that might affect the president's 200 million dose goal since his inauguration? Thanks.
SCHUCHAT: Either -- would anyone like to respond to this question?
MARKS: Yes. So let me start with the second question first. I think the vaccine supply has become more abundant over time, and I -- you know, I think that this -- this temporary pause is -- is hopefully not going to have a large, adverse effect on making those goals in a timely manner, if at all -- if any at all.
In terms of risk factors, I think those are -- at this point, they are specific enough that we -- you know, to an individual that that's going to have to be a determination that an individual has with their health care provider. And I'll turn that over to Dr. Schuchat since this is -- she may have more to say about that.
SCHUCHAT: Yes. And thank you, Dr. Marks. We're working right now from a small number from the six events that have been reported here in the U.S., and so while we're seeing them in -- in women under 50, I think we are going to need to take some time and have our Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices take additional time to review. I -- my understanding is that there weren't predisposing conditions for this -- these events, in at least some of those individuals.
And then the issue of supply, just to say that currently, the J&J product had been providing the minority, the great minority of doses. Every dose is precious, and we're keen to get as many doses as possible administered as frequently -- I'm sorry, as rapidly as possible and as equitably as possible. But it's too early for us to know the impact on the supply longer-term.
WOODCOCK (?): I couldn't hear what you said, Dr. Schuchat, you said there were --
JIM SCIUTTO, CNN ANCHOR: All right, we've been listening to a media call by the FDA, explaining its decision today to pause -- I should note, pause -- the use of the J&J vaccine. In fact, they say it's a temporary pause while they review data. To be clear again, what the data here is, six cases of clotting events -- blood clotting events -- of nearly 7 million J&J doses delivered so far.
I should also note that we heard the FDA's doctor there, Peter Marks, say that this is a recommendation, not a mandate that health providers can decide in conjunction with their patients, whether the benefits of vaccination outweigh the risks as we know them.
I'm joined now by Dr. Sanjay Gupta as well as Dr. Amy Compton-Phillips to help us understand this.
Sanjay, I wonder what your assessment of this is, right? Because this is quite a big step to take, given the existing questions among some about vaccines. And they heavily qualified it. It's a pause, it's a temporary pause while we review the data, and that pause, they say, may last just days and it's a recommendation, not a mandate. How do you interpret this and does it strike you as the right call?
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SANJAY GUPTA, CNN CHIEF MEDICAL CORRESPONDENT: Well, the last question, I think it is the right call. And I think in some ways, it is the -- an indication that even if something is one in a million, as the case seems to be here, that it was -- that it was picked up and now they're trying to address this.
There's still a lot of unknowns, so they want to figure out if there's some way of figuring out are people more at risk, is there something to do about this to lower people's risk, they want to make sure information's getting out to patients and to health care providers, that's another thing that you can do during this pause.
But you know, look, I think your other point, I think that this will increase vaccine hesitancy, people are going to read these headlines today and I think, you know, become understandably concerned. So emphasizing the real numbers here, which is, you know, this is at this point, from what we know, less than one in a million chance of happening.
They also got into some of the more specifics about, so what do you do? You know, for -- for health care providers, what do you do if somebody potentially has one of these clots, this is a different sort of clot. I think we can show an image of this quickly, what we're talking about here, it's a cerebral sinus clot.
These are the big veins that sort of drain blood away from the brain. You get a clot in one of those places, you can develop some brain swelling, needs to be treated in a specific way and I think that's another reason they're doing the pause to sort of give information to doctors and nurses about that.
SCIUTTO: Sanjay, just to explain the live pictures we have on the right-hand side of our screen, this is actually just outside the Capitol. This is the motorcade bringing the body of slain U.S. Capitol Police Officer Billy Evans. You may remember, was killed in an attack, a vehicular attack on the Capitol on April 2nd, something we're going to be following. He's going to lie in honor at the Capitol, an honor reserved for very few people in our nation's history.
While we await that -- and you can see, just now, the hearse coming into view.
Dr. Amy Compton-Phillips, so one in a million -- actually less than one in a million, six cases, about 7 million doses administered so far. We know that the risk of a population that size becoming very ill from coronavirus is far greater, it's many multiples of the clotting risk. And I just wonder how the FDA balances that math there, even for a temporary pause, knowing that there's a greater risk from the coronavirus, from COVID-19, than there is from these clotting events. AMY COMPTON-PHILLIPS, CHIEF CLINICAL OFFICER, PROVIDENCE HEALTH
SYSTEM: You know, it's such a great question. So there's a couple things. One is, this is a sign that our systems are actually working. That, as you heard during the press conference, that we're finding signal in noise, that these very rare events, we're able to identify and actually be able to take a breath and think.
Now, what they've done with very similar kinds of potential signal with the AstraZeneca vaccine, is to start limiting the age ranges that the vaccines are good for. So during this pause and as we look at the data, we might find that the vaccine is safe in people over the age of 60, and that we preserve the J&J vaccine then for a different population than for others.
And so taking the time to be able to really dive into the data, look at who is the risk highest in, who is the vaccine safe in, and then tailoring who we give which vaccine to is going to be really important.
SCIUTTO: Understood, and we did see this play out in Europe with the AstraZeneca vaccine, pause, and then they reinstituted it and they're vaccinating people again, healthfully.
Folks, a lot's happening at one time. As you note, there you see the hearse carrying the body of slain U.S. Capitol Police Officer Billy Evans, has just arrived at the Capitol. He will lie in honor there, an honor reserved for just a few people in our country's history, after his death in that attack on April 2nd.
Also, we are monitoring the ongoing Derek Chauvin trial. The defense -- rather the prosecution in that case has just rested, and the defense is preparing to call its first witness. We are going to bring that to you live when we see that.
But, Dr. Gupta, I just want to get to this. Because there are 7 million Americans -- some of whom might be watching this program -- who have already been vaccinated with J&J -- I've been getting text messages from some of them who I know -- what's your recommendation to them right now?
GUPTA: Well, I think I -- you know, first of all, it's very unlikely, very, very unlikely you're going to have any sort of problem. I mean, you know, one in a million, I mean, that's not a -- that's not just a euphemism, that is the -- the numbers that we're talking about here.
If you were further than a few weeks out, if you got this vaccine, you know, in March, you know, beginning of March especially, you're really out of the window where this would be a concern.
What they think might be happening here is the vaccine may have caused some sort of immune reaction to your platelets, which help, you know, actually form blood clots. So you'd be out of that window. But --
(CROSSTALK)
[10:40:00] SCIUTTO: Sanjay, I have to -- I have to cut you off just briefly there, again, because, as I said, there's a lot going on.
We're going to take you now inside the courtroom in Minneapolis, the Derek Chauvin trial. This is the first defense witness in the case. Let's listen in.
SCOTT CREIGHTON, OFFICER INVOLVED IN 2019 FLOYD ARREST: Right now I'm currently retired, I'm not employed by anybody.
ERIC NELSON, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Prior to your retirement, whom -- by whom were you employed?
CREIGHTON: The City of Minneapolis Police Department.
NELSON: And how long did you work for the City of Minneapolis Police Department?
CREIGHTON: Twenty-eight years.
NELSON: Can you describe for the jury generally the various roles that you had for the Minneapolis Police Department?
CREIGHTON: Yes, I will. I started in 1993. I started on the street, working as a 911 responder. I did six years as a 911 responder, and then I transferred over to public housing for approximately nine months as public housing officer. And then from there, I went to the 4th Precinct and became a community response team member involved as a street-level narcotics investigator. I did that for 22 years.
NELSON: All right. Now, were you on duty on May 6th of 2019?
CREIGHTON: Yes, I was.
NELSON: Have you had an opportunity to review various police reports and body-worn cameras from an incident on that date?
CREIGHTON: Yes, I have.
NELSON: On that date at approximately 4:00 or just before 5:00 p.m., did you execute a traffic stop of a red Ford Explorer?
CREIGHTON: Yes, I did.
NELSON: And did you approach the passenger side?
CREIGHTON: Yes, I did.
NELSON: Can you describe, just very briefly, the initial interaction that you had with the passenger of that vehicle?
CREIGHTON: I approached the vehicle on the passenger side. The passenger window was down. I started giving the individual that was -- that was in the passenger seat commands, several times. The passenger was unresponsive and noncompliant to my commands. I then had to physically reach in to -- because I wanted to see his
hands because I couldn't see his hands. I reached in finally and grabbed his hand to put it up on the dash, and then that individual was taken from the vehicle and handcuffed.
NELSON: OK. Did you make any observations as to the passenger's behavior?
CREIGHTON: Could you repeat that question, sir? I'm sorry.
NELSON: Did you make any additional observations as to the passenger's behavior?
CREIGHTON: Yes, his -- in my mind, his behavior was very nervous, anxious --
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Objection (ph), your honor, (INAUDIBLE).
NELSON: I will withdraw that question. In terms of -- did you see the passenger do anything physically with his hands?
CREIGHTON: Yes, he turned away from me towards the driver's seat, as -- continually as I was giving him commands to see his hands.
NELSON: Did you draw your service weapon?
CREIGHTON: Yes, I did.
NELSON: Did you observe the passenger put anything in his mouth?
CREIGHTON: Can you say that one more time, sir? I'm sorry.
NELSON: Did you observe the passenger put anything in his mouth?
CREIGHTON: No, I didn't.
NELSON: Did you -- were you wearing a body-worn camera issued by the City of Minneapolis on that day?
CREIGHTON: Yes, I was.
NELSON: And have you had an opportunity to review your body-worn camera prior to today's testimony?
CREIGHTON: Yes, I have.
NELSON: Your honor, based upon the order, I would move to admit and publish exhibit 1051.
PETER CAHILL, HENNEPIN COUNTY JUDGE: All right, 1051 is received, subject to the motion in limine.
NELSON: If we may publish?
(BEGIN VIDEO PRESENTATION)
CREIGHTON: Can you undo your seatbelt, sir? Sir, passenger, can you undo your seatbelt? Go ahead and undo your seatbelt.
GEORGE FLOYD, PASSENGER: Don't shoot me, please, (INAUDIBLE)
CREIGHTON: I don't plan on shooting you, I'm just saying, just take your time --
FLOYD: I never (INAUDIBLE).
CREIGHTON: OK, relax, just undo your seatbelt. Let her take care of her guy, just keep your hands up where I can see them.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Stay (ph) up (ph).
CREIGHTON: Hey, let me --
FLOYD: I'm (INAUDIBLE), playing (ph), can you see (ph) (INAUDIBLE)?
CREIGHTON: Keep your hands where I can fucking see them.
FLOYD: My man (ph), I got --
CREIGHTON: OK, put them up on the dash. Put them on the dash.
FLOYD: Don't shoot me, sir, please, please don't shoot me.
CREIGHTON: I'm not going to shoot you, put your hands on the dash.
FLOYD: OK, OK, OK, OK --
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CREIGHTON: Put your hands on the dash, last time I'm going to tell you that, it's simple.
(CROSSTALK)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I got you, Scott, I got you.
CREIGHTON: He keeps moving his hands around.
FLOYD: Yes, sir, yes, sir, yes, sir.
CREIGHTON: He won't listen to what I have to say.
(CROSSTALK)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Put your hands above your head.
FLOYD: What are you all doing --
CREIGHTON: Put them on your head.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Put them on the top of your head.
FLOYD: OK, OK, man.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Open your mouth, spit out what you got. Spit out what you got. I'm going to tase you. Spit it out.
FLOYD: I'm out --
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I wouldn't jerk away from me.
(CROSSTALK)
FLOYD: I was (INAUDIBLE)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Put your hands behind your --
(CROSSTALK)
FLOYD: (INAUDIBLE), boss.
CREIGHTON: OK, now slowly come on out.
FLOYD: Oh, man.
CREIGHTON: Put your hand on your head.
(CROSSTALK)
FLOYD: (INAUDIBLE) please (ph) I'm not (ph) doing anything (ph) --
CREIGHTON: OK, relax then.
FLOYD: I did everything you (INAUDIBLE), man.
CREIGHTON: You're not going to get beat up for nothing, if you just follow what we're asking you to do.
FLOYD: Truly (ph), I apologize, (INAUDIBLE), man. I apologize, man, I apologize.
CREIGHTON: Yes.
(END VIDEO PRESENTATION)
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Your honor, sidebar (ph)?
SCIUTTO: OK, brief sidebar here. That is a question from lawyers to the judge.
We do have Laura Coates standing by. That is the first defense witness. And I have to ask you, Laura, when you saw that video of an encounter between that officer and Floyd in 2019, did that help the defense substantially in your view?
LAURA COATES, CNN SENIOR LEGAL ANALYST: How could it, Jim, when he survived that encounter, when the -- a deadly use of force was not used, when the officer repeatedly has said, I'm not going to shoot you? People can take issue with the way he has said it, of course, the way in which officers often speak during these interactions can be particularly disturbing to people. But ultimately, George Floyd survived that encounter, he was not put
upon with somebody's knee to his neck for nine minutes and 29 seconds, so it actually strikes a chord, I'm sure, with the jury, to say here's the distinction between what happened when somebody was a passenger in a vehicle, an officer demanded the person get out of the car, and what he eventually complied with.
And you contrast that with what happened on the street, deriving from an allegation of a counterfeit bill. The defense introducing this is quite odd, but it's their only attempt to try to undermine the character of George Floyd and continue --
(CROSSTALK)
SCIUTTO: OK, Laura --
COATES: -- on a theme that he was the cause.
SCIUTTO: Hold that thought, brief conversation with the judge, we're back now to the defense with their first witness, the officer who arrested Floyd in 2019.
ERIN ELDRIDGE, MINNESOTA ASSISTANT ATTORNEY GENERAL: Good morning, Officer Creighton.
CREIGHTON: Good morning.
ELDRIDGE: You testified that you were the officer who approached the passenger side of the vehicle, you approached George Floyd on May 6th of 2019, is that right?
CREIGHTON: That's correct, yes.
ELDRIDGE: And you had your gun drawn when you approached Mr. Floyd, isn't that right?
CREIGHTON: Yes, I pulled it, yes.
ELDRIDGE: And when you approached Mr. Floyd, he said, don't shoot me, man, I don't want to get shot, right?
CREIGHTON: Something like that, yes.
ELDRIDGE: You told him to undo his seatbelt, correct?
CREIGHTON: That's correct, yes, ma'am.
ELDRIDGE: And he did that, right?
CREIGHTON: Yes, he did.
ELDRIDGE: And then you said, put your hands where I can see them, correct?
CREIGHTON: Yes.
ELDRIDGE: And then he put his hands in the air?
CREIGHTON: Yes.
ELDRIDGE: And then you told him to put his hands on the dash, is that right?
CREIGHTON: That's correct.
ELDRIDGE: And that was when you grabbed his hand and forcibly put it on the dashboard of the vehicle, correct?
CREIGHTON: Well (ph), yes.
ELDRIDGE: And then the other officer, with you on the other side of the vehicle, changed that to, put your hands on your head, correct?
CREIGHTON: That's correct.
ELDRIDGE: And then he put his hands on his head, right?
CREIGHTON: That's correct, yes.
ELDRIDGE: And there was one officer who said that they were going to tase him, right?
CREIGHTON: That's what I heard, yes.
ELDRIDGE: And you were yelling pretty loud, correct?
CREIGHTON: Yes, I was, yes, certainly (ph). It escalated real quick.
ELDRIDGE: Some profanity as well, correct?
CREIGHTON: Yes.
ELDRIDGE: And you had your gun drawn the whole time you were giving commands, right?
CREIGHTON: Once I started ordering him and he refused to show me his hands, yes, I eventually -- it escalated to where I pulled my gun, yes, ma'am.
ELDRIDGE: And he was awake, correct?
CREIGHTON: What's that, ma'am?
ELDRIDGE: Mr. Floyd was awake? Was he awake during this incident?
CREIGHTON: Yes.
ELDRIDGE: He was conscious?
CREIGHTON: Yes.
ELDRIDGE: He didn't appear to be in medical distress to you when you were pulling him out of the car, is that right? He was talking to you, he was standing up, is that right?
CREIGHTON: I don't know if it was specifically -- sometimes he was talking, sometimes he was mumbling. He was incoherent, in my mind, a lot of the time during there (ph).
ELDRIDGE: But you got him out of the car and handcuffed him, right?
CREIGHTON: That's correct, ma'am.
ELDRIDGE: And he stood next to the car, right?
CREIGHTON: Yes, ma'am.
ELDRIDGE: He asked you not to beat him up, correct?
CREIGHTON: That's correct, yes.
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ELDRIDGE: He was able to walk, right?
CREIGHTON: Yes, he was.
ELDRIDGE: He continued to talk to you?
CREIGHTON: Yes.
NELSON (?): Counsel to the sidebar.
SCIUTTO: Another sidebar here, judge considering questions as, well, the defense called its first witness. And Laura Coates, still with us. Very quick questions from the defense lawyer there, and then now on to the prosecution again. Did that surprise you?
COATES: It does, because if you're going to call your first witness, you want the first person out of the gate to really be able to have a huge impact. Right now, in the cross-examination, we're learning that George Floyd was compliant, and that he was able to be handcuffed and he was speaking, although there was some incoherence that he spoke about. But again, he was able to be taken into custody. And again, 2019 is when this happened, versus when he was actually killed, on May 25th, 2020.
So I'm not sure how the juice is worth the squeeze yet. It might be that the sidebar that's happening seems to have stemmed in part from the defense counsel asking for that, maybe to derail the fast pace of the cross-examination. Because at this point in time, the jury is probably thinking to themselves, why is this the person we're hearing from?
And remember, for the audience out there, we -- the prosecution did seek to have different incidents of prior complaints about Derek Chauvin, the defendant, and the judge would not allow the overwhelming majority of them to come in.
But he may be wondering, why are you able to bring in the prior behavior of the decedent and not the prior bad behavior of the defendant in this case? It's about the judge's ruling, and the overarching rule here is that unless you can show some M.O. or other incidents that are actually perfectly analogous in many respects, they should not come in. And I'm wondering how this is analogous.
SCIUTTO: Yes, yes. And we should remember, the decision to allow discussion of this 2019 arrest was one in dispute prior to the trial.
Here is the assistant attorney general, continuing to question the witness.
ELDRIDGE: -- got Mr. Floyd out of the car, correct?
CREIGHTON: Yes.
ELDRIDGE: And he stood next to the car and you handcuffed him, correct?
CREIGHTON: Me and another officer had to physically handcuff him, yes.
ELDRIDGE: And he didn't fall down, correct?
CREIGHTON: No, he didn't fall down.
ELDRIDGE: Nothing further, your honor.
CAHILL: Anything further?
NELSON: Very briefly.
Officer Creighton, there was another officer on the driver side, dealing with the driver?
CREIGHTON: Yes, that's correct, actually two.
NELSON: And that officer was speaking to or giving commands to the driver?
CREIGHTON: That's correct.
NELSON: Simultaneous to the time that you were giving commands to Mr. Floyd?
CREIGHTON: That's correct.
NELSON: Did you hear the officer say, spit it out?
CREIGHTON: I may have, yes, I don't -- I'd have to see the video, and if that's what the video shows then that's what occurred.
NELSON: OK, I have no further questions.
CAHILL: All right, anything further?
ELDRIDGE: Briefly, your honor. Officer Creighton, you were just asked some questions about what the
other officers were doing. You were interacting with Mr. Floyd, correct?
CREIGHTON: Yes.
ELDRIDGE: And while you were interacting with Mr. Floyd, he didn't collapse on the ground, correct?
CREIGHTON: Wait a minute, what was the question? Can you speak up a little louder, ma'am?
ELDRIDGE: While you were interacting with Mr. Floyd, he didn't collapse on the ground, correct?
CREIGHTON: No, he did not.
NELSON: (INAUDIBLE)
CAHILL: Well the answer is stricken, the objection is sustained.
ELDRIDGE: You were asked some questions about what the other officers were doing, correct?
CREIGHTON: That's correct.
ELDRIDGE: Your attention was focused on Mr. Floyd, correct?
CREIGHTON: Yes, it was.
ELDRIDGE: And Mr. Floyd didn't drop dead while you were interacting with him, correct?
CREIGHTON: No.
ELDRIDGE: Thank you, nothing further.
CAHILL: Anything further?
NELSON: No, your honor.
CAHILL: Thank you, you may step down.
CREIGHTON: Thank you, your honor.
SCIUTTO: We have just heard the completion of the testimony of the first defense witness in the trial of Derek Chauvin.
There's the defense lawyer --
NELSON: The defense calls Michelle Moseng.
SCIUTTO: -- let's listen for the next witness.
He's getting the witness now. And I just want to tell you what's happening on the right-hand side of
our screen. This is the arrival of the casket, carrying the fallen U.S. Capitol Police Officer Billy Evans, who died in an attack on the Capitol, April 2nd, a car ramming a barrier there.
He will be carried up the steps of the Capitol, where -- and I believe that's his family there, waiting for this moment -- where he will lie in honor, an honor reserved for just about half a dozen Americans in our country's history: Reverend Billy Graham, Rosa Parks, officers killed in the 1998 attack on the Capitol.
We should note that President Biden is expected to attend this ceremony as Evans lies in honor there. We will bring you that event as it happens.
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Meanwhile, we continue to monitor events inside the courtroom in Minneapolis. Here's the second defense witness, taking the stand.
MICHELLE MOSENG, FORMER PARAMEDIC: -- last name is Moseng, M-O-S-E-N- G.
CAHILL: And if you're comfortable taking off the mask, we pretty much leave it up to you but if that would make it easier to hear you, that would be appreciated.
Members of the jury, this again is regarding an incident or an occurrence involving George Floyd on May 6th, 2019. As I told you before, this evidence is being admitted solely for the limited purpose of showing what effects the ingestion of opioids may or may not have had on the physical wellbeing of George Floyd. This evidence is not to be used as evidence of the character of George Floyd.
Mr. Nelson, you may inquire.
NELSON: Thank you.
Good morning, ma'am.
MOSENG: Morning.
NELSON: By whom are you currently employed?
MOSENG: I am retired.
NELSON: OK, prior to your retirement, where were you employed?
MOSENG: I was a paramedic at Hennepin County Medical Center EMS.
NELSON: How long were you a paramedic for Hennepin County?
MOSENG: Just under 34 years.
NELSON: OK. And can you describe the education that you had to become a paramedic? MOSENG: My -- I have a two-year degree in emergency medical care and
rescue from (INAUDIBLE) State, and then actually got an additional registered nursing, graduated from Saint Mary's University in '91.
NELSON: OK. And so you worked as a paramedic for Hennepin County for the entirety of your career, or did you have other employment?
MOSENG: I actually worked for a year in Dakota County for one year, and then I have worked at Hennepin or had worked at Hennepin ever since.
NELSON: Fair to say you've gone to a large number of calls during the course of your career?
MOSENG: Yes.
NELSON: All right. You may not remember every specific detail about every call, correct?
MOSENG: No.
NELSON: And as a paramedic, do you maintain records about each call that you go to in order to assess the patient's care?
MOSENG: Yes, we do a run (ph) share (ph) of patient medical records that we hand off at the emergency room.
CAHILL: If you could speak up just a little bit?
MOSENG: Sorry.
CAHILL: No problem, don't worry about it.
NELSON: Prior to your testimony today, have you had an opportunity to review a run sheet from May 6th of 2019 involving George Perry Floyd?
MOSENG: Yes.
NELSON: Do you recall all of those details off the top of your heard now?
MOSENG: No.
NELSON: All right. Now, in terms of your recollection of May 6th of 2019, were you summoned to the Minneapolis Police Department?
MOSENG: Yes, Precinct Four.
NELSON: To attend to Mr. Floyd?
MOSENG: Yes.
NELSON: Upon arriving at the 4th Precinct, did you talk to Mr. Floyd?
MOSENG: Yes.
NELSON: Did you learn information from Mr. Floyd about (INAUDIBLE)?
MOSENG: Yes. It was quite hard to assess him. He was upset and confused. Some of the things he said were --
ELDRIDGE: Objection, your honor. (INAUDIBLE).
CAHILL: I'm going to strike (INAUDIBLE), if you could perhaps lead (ph)?
NELSON: Certainly.
Did Mr. Floyd -- were you able to learn that Mr. Floyd had consumed some narcotics that day?
MOSENG: Yes.
NELSON: What did he tell you specifically about what narcotics he had taken and when he had taken them?
MOSENG: He told me that he had been taking multiple -- like every 20 minutes -- and it was -- I don't remember if it was oxy or Percocet, but it was an opioid-based. It wasn't real consistent with his behavior at that point, he was real elevated and agitated.
NELSON: No --
ELDRIDGE: Objection, your honor.
CAHILL: I'm going to --
ELDRIDGE: Object --
(CROSSTALK)
CAHILL: The last statement about agitation is stricken as nonresponsive (ph). You can just wait for the next question.
NELSON: Thank you.
CAHILL: Thank you.
NELSON: He informed you he had taken some sort of an opioid every 20 minutes or something like that, correct?
MOSENG: And then another one as the officer came up.
NELSON: OK, so he told you that he had taken a pill at the time the officers were apprehending him?
MOSENG: Correct.
NELSON: Did you do a physical assessment of Mr. Floyd at that time?
MOSENG: Yes.
NELSON: Specifically did you take his blood pressure? MOSENG: Yes, I took a set of vitals.
NELSON: OK. Would you agree that your first vitals were taken at approximately 1:34 and 59 seconds?
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MOSENG: Without looking at the run sheet, I wouldn't know for sure.
