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Aired December 17, 2021 - 13:00 ET
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ERIN ELDRIDGE, MINNESOTA ASSISTANT ATTORNEY GENERAL: True?
KIM POTTER, DEFENDANT: During the training, yes.
ELDRIDGE: It also includes the reason for that, right?
POTTER: Yes.
ELDRIDGE: And that's so that you reduce the possibility of accidentally drawing and firing a firearm, right?
POTTER: Yes.
ELDRIDGE: And -- we can take that down.
Part of the reason for that is weapons confusion, right?
POTTER: Yes.
ELDRIDGE: And that was known in the field and has been known for a number of years. True?
POTTER: I guess.
ELDRIDGE: Well, you were trained on it, right?
POTTER: We talked about it.
ELDRIDGE: It was part of your PowerPoints, correct?
POTTER: Yes.
ELDRIDGE: You were made aware during PowerPoint after PowerPoint after PowerPoint that drawing and firing the wrong weapon can happen, right?
POTTER: We are told. It wasn't something that they expounded on.
ELDRIDGE: You were told that?
POTTER: Yes.
ELDRIDGE: And you signed documentation every year you were certified, acknowledging that you knew the risks, received and reviewed the materials required for you to carry that Taser, correct?
POTTER: Yes, I send the documents.
ELDRIDGE: OK.
Now in terms of the carrying of these weapons, reaction side means what for you?
POTTER: That would be my left hand.
ELDRIDGE: OK.
You're right-handed?
POTTER: Yes.
ELDRIDGE: So carrying a Taser, you have done for years on your left side, correct?
POTTER: Yes.
ELDRIDGE: And your firearm, you carry where?
POTTER: On my right side.
ELDRIDGE: How many years have you carried your firearm and Taser that way?
POTTER: My firearm for 26 years and my Taser, according to your documents, for 19.
ELDRIDGE: So, as long as you have had that Taser, you carried it on your left side, correct?
POTTER: In the beginning, I carried it on my right side in a drop holster.
ELDRIDGE: And when did you switch?
POTTER: When we were given new holsters.
ELDRIDGE: And when would that have been?
POTTER: I don't know.
ELDRIDGE: But far before 2016. You saw the images in court. Long before that, you were carrying your Taser on your left side, correct?
POTTER: Yes.
ELDRIDGE: Years and years, right?
POTTER: Yes.
ELDRIDGE: We talked a little bit about reality- or scenario-based training. When you go through those trainings, you have available to you all the
options that would be on your duty belt, right, although inert for the purposes of training, yes?
POTTER: Yes.
ELDRIDGE: And the purpose of that training is to try to recreate real-life stressful situations as best as possible to practice making those types of decisions in the moment. Fair?
POTTER: Fair.
ELDRIDGE: Let's talk a little bit about your Taser. You would agree that the Taser 7 that you had and the Taser that you had before that has a safety mechanism on the side of it, right?
POTTER: Yes.
ELDRIDGE: And you have to flip it up to arm the Taser?
POTTER: Yes.
ELDRIDGE: And when the Taser is on and armed, it beeps, right?
POTTER: I don't know if it beeps.
ELDRIDGE: There's a display screen that turns on?
POTTER: Yes.
ELDRIDGE: And then there are two lasers with a Taser 7 that appear on your target, right?
POTTER: Yes.
ELDRIDGE: A green one for the top row, right?
POTTER: I believe so. It was a new Taser.
ELDRIDGE: And a red one for the bottom?
POTTER: I would guess so, yes.
ELDRIDGE: Well, you were trained on it, right?
POTTER: Yes, but it was a while back.
ELDRIDGE: You were trained in March of this year on that Taser, correct?
POTTER: Yes.
ELDRIDGE: And you have to successfully operate and train that Taser in order to be certified to use it, correct?
POTTER: Yes. ELDRIDGE: And you went through that hands-on process of turning on
that Taser and safely handling that Taser in order to be certified, correct?
POTTER: Yes, in March.
ELDRIDGE: In March.
And before that, you had had an X26P, correct?
POTTER: Yes.
ELDRIDGE: And that Taser also had a laser and a safety and things like that, right?
POTTER: Yes.
ELDRIDGE: The screen that turned on.
POTTER: Yes.
ELDRIDGE: And the Taser -- and that was the Taser that you had been carrying for years before, right?
POTTER: Yes.
ELDRIDGE: Very similar to the Taser in that way.
POTTER: Similar, but different.
ELDRIDGE: All right, so I'm going to put on the screen next to each other, please, Exhibits 210 and Exhibit 212.
Now, this is a picture, side-by-side pictures of you on April 11, correct?
POTTER: Yes.
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ELDRIDGE: And your Taser is pictured on left side of your duty belt, correct?
POTTER: Yes.
ELDRIDGE: And that's the way you had been carrying telling for years and years, correct?
POTTER: Yes.
ELDRIDGE: And your firearm you carried on the right side of your duty belt, right?
POTTER: Yes.
ELDRIDGE: And you agree that the standard procedure for a reaction side, left-hand draw for your Taser in this case, would be to draw that weapon with your left hand, correct?
POTTER: Yes.
ELDRIDGE: All right, you can take that down.
You were asked some questions on direct about spark testing, the function test of the Taser. The policy says that you should do that before the beginning of every shift, right?
POTTER: Yes.
ELDRIDGE: And you didn't do it the last two shifts that you worked, correct?
POTTER: That's what the documents say.
ELDRIDGE: Right.
You didn't do one for the last four of your last 10 shifts that you worked in fact, correct, if that's what the documents say?
POTTER: Which dates?
ELDRIDGE: You didn't do it on March 27, correct?
POTTER: I guess.
ELDRIDGE: You didn't do it on March 28?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Your Honor, I object to this cross-examination. If she doesn't know...
JUDGE REGINA CHU, HENNEPIN COUNTY DISTRICT COURT: All right.
OK, one-word objections. Please. If she doesn't know, she can say she doesn't know.
ELDRIDGE: The documents show that you didn't do a spark test four of your last 10 shifts. You have no reason to dispute that, right?
POTTER: No.
ELDRIDGE: And the day of this incident on April 11, you didn't do a spark test on that day, right?
POTTER: No, according to the documents.
ELDRIDGE: And even though -- yes, that day was a slow and uneventful day at beginning of the day, right?
POTTER: I don't know. I don't have a log.
ELDRIDGE: Well, you told Dr. Miller that that day started as a slow and uneventful Sunday, right?
POTTER: I don't -- I don't know if I did or not. CHU: Counselors, sidebar.
ANA CABRERA, CNN HOST: Hello. I'm Ana Cabrera in New York.
And we have been listening in to the testimony of Kimberly Potter, a former officer who is on trial right now for manslaughter in the death of Daunte Wright.
I have a couple of our legal experts with us as we await this sidebar to wrap up.
Laura Coates is with us.
Your initial thought about what we have heard so far, Laura?
LAURA COATES, CNN LEGAL ANALYST: Well, the fact that she's taken the stand is really quite a calculation from the defense, the idea of trying to get her narrative out there to try to personalize her emotion, to try to have them see what she was feeling the day she shot and killed Daunte Wright, going through really her biographical data, but more importantly focusing in on the training.
This is going to be the key to the entire prosecution, whether she had such an amount of training as to render it really preposterous under legal terms that a mistake could actually have been made that could have been prevented. Neither side seemed to dispute that she thought show was reaching for a Taser, but the idea of whether it was truly a mistake that cannot be prosecuted is the heart of this case.
CABRERA: So far, do you think it's a good idea that she took the stand, as far as her defense goes?
COATES: You know, I think it's really helpful for the jurors to be able to go outside the court of public opinion, hone in on what's happening, and try to figure out if this is somebody -- if I were in her shoes, what would I have done?
Now, of course, they are confined by the actual evidence. They're not supposed to...
CABRERA: Laura, hold your thought. Forgive me.
We're going back to court. We will cut -- we will touch back with you after.
ELDRIDGE: All right.
So April 11 started as a slow and uneventful day, right?
POTTER: I guess. It's a Sunday.
ELDRIDGE: OK.
I'm going to put on the screen Exhibits 224 and Exhibit 178, next to each other, please. All right, Ms. Potter, on the screen our Exhibits 224 and 178. You
would agree that these are photos of yours Taser and your firearm respectively, yes?
POTTER: My firearm for sure. I'm not sure if that was the Taser that was taken that day. But I'm guessing it is.
ELDRIDGE: And you carried a Taser 7 that day, correct?
POTTER: Yes.
ELDRIDGE: And that's what in this picture, Exhibit 224?
POTTER: Yes.
ELDRIDGE: Now, these items look different, don't they?
POTTER: Yes.
(CROSSTALK)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Your Honor, argumentative.
CHU: The objection is overruled.
I think you -- did you answer? You may answer, if you didn't.
POTTER: Yes.
ELDRIDGE: And just to be more specific, the Taser is yellow, right?
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POTTER: Yes.
ELDRIDGE: The firearm is black, correct?
POTTER: Yes.
ELDRIDGE: The Taser weighs as half a much as your loaded Glock, right?
POTTER: I don't know.
ELDRIDGE: It doesn't weigh the same, correct?
POTTER: That's what they testified to earlier. But I don't know.
ELDRIDGE: When it comes to the Taser 7 that you had just been recertified on or certified to use, your department used long-range cartridges for that Taser 7, correct?
POTTER: I don't know.
ELDRIDGE: You were trained to use it, correct?
POTTER: I don't know now. I don't remember.
ELDRIDGE: You don't remember being trained to use the Taser 7 at all?
POTTER: No, I remember being trained, but I don't remember today what cartridges we were issued.
ELDRIDGE: OK.
So you went out on the street with a Taser not knowing what that Taser did?
POTTER: I would assume that on the day I worked, I would know, but I don't know. It's been months now.
ELDRIDGE: OK.
No reason to dispute that the Brooklyn Center Police Department used long-range cartridges in the Taser 7, correct?
POTTER: No.
ELDRIDGE: And the reason to do that would be so that you could fire a farther distance with your Taser and you wouldn't need to approach someone up close, correct?
POTTER: I would -- I don't know. I would assume so, but I'm not positive.
ELDRIDGE: Well, that's why somebody would use a long-range cartridge, as opposed to a short-range cartridge, correct?
POTTER: Yes.
ELDRIDGE: And you have been trained on a Taser since 2002, correct?
POTTER: Yes.
ELDRIDGE: You know how they work, right?
POTTER: Yes.
(CROSSTALK)
ELDRIDGE: ... do.
Can we take those down, please, and put up Exhibit 214?
OK, Exhibit 214 that's been admitted is on the screen. Is this a picture of your duty belt?
POTTER: Yes.
ELDRIDGE: And you would agree that the holsters for your Taser and firearm are different, correct?
POTTER: Yes. ELDRIDGE: And your firearm holster is empty in this picture, right?
There's no firearm in it, correct?
POTTER: Yes.
ELDRIDGE: Is that this right here?
POTTER: Yes.
ELDRIDGE: The Taser holster is made of plastic, right?
POTTER: Yes.
ELDRIDGE: And you have to push a button this, this button right here, and rock it back to get it out of the holster, correct?
POTTER: Yes.
ELDRIDGE: And your gun holster is made of leather, is that right?
POTTER: Yes.
ELDRIDGE: And it has a little snap, is that right?
POTTER: Yes. Yes.
ELDRIDGE: And how does that gun come out of that holster?
POTTER: It would rock forward.
ELDRIDGE: How do you pull it with your hand out of your holster?
POTTER: It would rock forward and you would pull it out.
ELDRIDGE: OK.
And the Taser, on the other hand, you would rock -- you would press the button, rock it backward and pull it out, correct?
POTTER: Yes.
ELDRIDGE: All right, if we could take that down. Thank you.
Now, you testified that you have never deployed your Taser or your firearm while on duty on the street, correct?
POTTER: Not that I recall. I know for sure my firearm.
ELDRIDGE: OK.
But you have drawn your Taser multiple times while on duty, correct?
POTTER: Several times.
ELDRIDGE: And you said that you did that as a way to de-escalate. I believe that was your testimony on direct? POTTER: Yes.
ELDRIDGE: Approximately how many times did you pull your Taser, but not deploy it, while on duty?
POTTER: For de-escalation, maybe a few times.
ELDRIDGE: There are a couple of times that you pulled your Taser and didn't deploy it. One was in 2013, correct? No reason to dispute that it happened once in 2013, at least?
POTTER: I would guess no, no reason.
ELDRIDGE: There was a situation where one of your colleagues, a former officer, was hanging on the back of an individual, and you pointed the Taser at him, but didn't Tase him because you would have Tased your fellow officer, is that right?
POTTER: If that's the one I'm thinking, yes.
ELDRIDGE: And instead of...
POTTER: She was on his back.
ELDRIDGE: And instead of deploying a Taser, you called for extra help, correct?
POTTER: Yes, and we probably continued to fight with him.
ELDRIDGE: You never deployed your Taser then?
POTTER: No.
ELDRIDGE: There was another incident in 2016 where someone was not being -- not complying with commands to place them under arrest, right?
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POTTER: I don't know what event you're talking about.
ELDRIDGE: Well, in this case, there was an individual who was struggling, a female individual. She didn't want to get in handcuffs. And then one of the officers took her down to the ground by force, correct, and pointed your Taser, but didn't deploy it, right?
POTTER: If that's what the documents say. I don't recall the incident.
ELDRIDGE: OK.
But you recall that you had drawn your Taser and not fired it in your 26-year career?
POTTER: Yes.
ELDRIDGE: All right.
I would like to talk a little bit more about April 11. So, on April 11, you were serving as an FTO, right?
POTTER: Yes.
ELDRIDGE: And you said that you have done that for 10 or 15 years.
POTTER: For many years. I don't remember when I got certified, but it's been many, many years.
ELDRIDGE: OK.
And you said that -- on direct, I believe your testimony was that you had knowledge to impart and that -- mentorship skills that made you suited for that job, right?
POTTER: Yes.
ELDRIDGE: So you were serving as Officer Luckey's FTO on April 11. How long had you been his FTO?
POTTER: I believe it would be five shifts. It would have started the Monday after Easter Sunday.
ELDRIDGE: OK.
But you were essentially in a supervisory position, right, serving as his FTO?
POTTER: Yes. I guided him.
ELDRIDGE: That's a big responsibility, true?
POTTER: Yes.
ELDRIDGE: You have to be a good example, sort of set the stage for what a good police officer should do in any particular situation, right?
POTTER: Yes.
ELDRIDGE: And to do the job of an FTO, you have to be really familiar with policy and training and proper uses of force, right?
POTTER: Yes.
ELDRIDGE: And you have to make sure that someone else is doing it all right, too, right?
POTTER: Correct.
ELDRIDGE: And you testified that that morning, the morning of April 11, you reviewed pursuit policy with Officer Luckey, correct?
POTTER: That afternoon. ELDRIDGE: OK.
But that pursuit policy includes not shooting at the driver occupants of the vehicle, right?
POTTER: A moving vehicle.
ELDRIDGE: And you told Officer Luckey, "We're not in the city," right?
Did you tell Dr. Miller that you told Officer Luckey in reviewing pursuit policy you used the phrase "We're not in the city"?
POTTER: Because we were on Zane Avenue, which is in Brooklyn Park.
ELDRIDGE: And why did you say that?
POTTER: To remind him of geographical boundaries.
ELDRIDGE: And you were also reminding him of the limitations of the pursuit policy, correct?
POTTER: What do you mean?
ELDRIDGE: That you can't just get into a high-speed car chase or shoot up a car without specific reasons, right?
POTTER: Yes. Our pursuit policy limits what we can pursue for.
ELDRIDGE: And a gross misdemeanor warrant doesn't qualify for a vehicle pursuit, right?
POTTER: Not according to our policy.
ELDRIDGE: And you had just reviewed that policy with Officer Luckey that day, correct?
POTTER: Yes.
ELDRIDGE: So, getting to what happened with the stop, you said that there was a turn signal misplacement, correct? You saw the wrong turn signal. That was the first thing that you saw?
POTTER: Officer Luckey saw it first.
ELDRIDGE: OK. So, you didn't see the turn signal. But after that, you saw the air freshener, right?
POTTER: I saw the expired registration.
ELDRIDGE: But you had said on direct that you would not have pulled that vehicle over, right?
POTTER: Probably not.
ELDRIDGE: And you said that you knew that there had been some delays because of COVID with people getting their tags up to date, right?
POTTER: Yes.
ELDRIDGE: But you also mentioned the air freshener to counsel on direct, didn't you?
POTTER: Yes.
ELDRIDGE: But, regardless, expired tags, air freshener, this is the kind of traffic stop that's pretty routine for you in your 26 years as a cop, right?
POTTER: No traffic stop is routine, but it would have been something I would have done several times.
ELDRIDGE: I'm sure you have seen lots and lots of cars with air fresheners and expired tags, true?
POTTER: Yes.
ELDRIDGE: And then the decision was made to pull over the car. You mentioned that there was some information that maybe there was some other warrant that you learned about around at that time?
You didn't discuss any of that with Officer Luckey, did you?
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POTTER: He would have had the same warrant hit that I would have heard.
ELDRIDGE: None that was mentioned. None of it was even discussing with Officer Luckey at the time that you pulled over the car. Fair?
POTTER: I don't remember if we talked about it or not.
ELDRIDGE: OK.
But in any case, you pull over the car, and Officer Luckey approaches the driver's side, approaches Mr. Wright, right?
POTTER: Yes.
ELDRIDGE: And he came back to the car with a name, date of birth, all kinds of information, right?
POTTER: I know a name and a date of birth.
ELDRIDGE: Well, Officer Luckey told you that he believed him. He thought that essentially thought this -- that Mr. Wright was telling the truth, right?
POTTER: Yes.
ELDRIDGE: And then when Officer Luckey put in all this information into the system, you corrected him. You admonished him and told him he was doing it wrong, right?
POTTER: I told him better ways to do it, probably.
ELDRIDGE: And that's your job as an FTO, right?
POTTER: Yes.
ELDRIDGE: To correct him if he messes something up, right?
POTTER: Yes, when there was an opportunity.
ELDRIDGE: So, you corrected him, and then he reentered the information. And then you found out about the warrant, right?
POTTER: Yes.
ELDRIDGE: Now, there was also a conversation about Officer Luckey Code 4-ing himself, right?
POTTER: Doing what?
ELDRIDGE: Code 4-ing himself.
POTTER: Oh, Code 4-ing, yes.
ELDRIDGE: And did you also correct Officer Luckey for doing that?
POTTER: He did it before he ran the driver. And he shouldn't do that.
ELDRIDGE: And you told him that, right?
POTTER: Yes.
ELDRIDGE: Don't Code 4 yourself before you have all the information, something to that effect, right?
POTTER: Yes.
ELDRIDGE: And, again, that was your job as the FTO to correct whatever he was doing that was wrong, right?
POTTER: Yes.
ELDRIDGE: So you got this information and then made this decision to go arrest Mr. Wright, correct?
POTTER: Yes.
ELDRIDGE: And you didn't talk about going out there with guns drawn or anything like that? You didn't talk about using force on the approach or anything like that, right?
POTTER: No.
ELDRIDGE: And then Officer Luckey pulled -- or asked Mr. Wright to get out of the car, which he did, right? POTTER: Yes.
ELDRIDGE: And you stood back and watched this happen, correct?
POTTER: I was just a couple of feet away.
ELDRIDGE: OK.
You didn't correct the way that that had happened? You didn't tell Officer Luckey to move or to put Mr. Wright somewhere else, right?
POTTER: I wouldn't do that to a rookie in front of a suspect.
ELDRIDGE: OK.
But you didn't do it regardless? Didn't happen?
POTTER: No.
ELDRIDGE: And then, as you approached and got closer -- well, was there a moment that you got closer after things didn't quite go the way that you had hoped that they would go?
POTTER: I got closer before that happens.
ELDRIDGE: OK.
And you would agree that you unsnapped your gun holster as you approached, right?
POTTER: No, I wouldn't agree to that.
ELDRIDGE: All right.
If we could put on the screen Exhibit 12, just the still image at 20120, please, and zoom in on, yes, the squad car view.
You see yourself in that picture?
POTTER: Yes.
ELDRIDGE: And you see your right hand on the right side of your duty belt.
POTTER: Yes.
ELDRIDGE: And is your right hand on your firearm here?
POTTER: That's blurry, but it's possible.
ELDRIDGE: OK.
We can take that down. Thank you.
All right. So, as you approached, and Mr. Wright got out of the car, was there a moment where it appeared that Mr. Wright was going to flee or attempt to flee?
POTTER: When he started to struggle with Officer Luckey.
ELDRIDGE: OK.
And, ultimately, was Mr. Wright able to get back in the car?
POTTER: Yes.
ELDRIDGE: You never saw a weapon on Mr. Wright, did you?
POTTER: No.
ELDRIDGE: Never saw a gun?
POTTER: No.
ELDRIDGE: He never threw a punch, right?
POTTER: No.
ELDRIDGE: Never kicked anyone?
POTTER: No.
ELDRIDGE: Never said, "I'm going to kill you"?
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POTTER: No.
ELDRIDGE: Never said, "I'm going shoot you"?
POTTER: No.
ELDRIDGE: Never said, "There's a gun in the car and I'm coming after you"?
POTTER: No.
ELDRIDGE: OK.
It's not uncommon in your experience to find someone who has a warrant during a traffic stop, right?
POTTER: It's not uncommon.
ELDRIDGE: And you have done hundreds of traffic stops in your career, correct?
POTTER: I don't know hundreds, but, yes, I have done plenty of traffic stops.
ELDRIDGE: And gross misdemeanor offenses are not the same as felony offenses. Fair?
POTTER: Correct. They're a different order by the judge of a crime.
ELDRIDGE: Less serious crimes, correct?
POTTER: All crimes are serious, but yes.
ELDRIDGE: Well, in terms of the laws of the state of Minnesota that you're duty-bound to enforce, a gross misdemeanor is a lesser offense than a felony, correct?
POTTER: Yes.
ELDRIDGE: And you don't get to shoot someone because they have a gross misdemeanor warrant, correct?
(CROSSTALK)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Objection, Your Honor. It depends on the circumstance.
CHU: OK, but the -- the objection is sustained.
ELDRIDGE: You also testified about learning about an order for protection, correct?
POTTER: Yes.
ELDRIDGE: You said it was a temporary one that you saw, correct?
POTTER: I believe it was an ex parte order.
ELDRIDGE: And, essentially, the order that you're describing would limit contact between two people, correct?
POTTER: Yes, in various ways.
ELDRIDGE: It doesn't prohibit all contact with all members of the opposite sex, right?
POTTER: Just certain parties that they are not supposed to have contact with.
ELDRIDGE: Right.
And you would agree that half the world's population is female, right?
POTTER: I suppose.
ELDRIDGE: So, just having a female passenger in your car is not in and of -- and by itself a violation of an OFP, correct?
POTTER: It has to be investigated.
ELDRIDGE: Sure.
And you did not see a need to rush up to the passenger side of the vehicle and pull this woman to safety, right? POTTER: Not at the moment.
ELDRIDGE: OK.
Now, there was also some conversation, as you saw in the videos that were offered in court in this case, a conversation about the Wright brothers. You made a comment about the Wright brothers, joking about not the ones that fly, right?
POTTER: Yes.
ELDRIDGE: And any concerns about whether there was some other Wright family in the area. Sergeant Johnson told you, not that family, not this situation, right?
POTTER: I wasn't sure who they were.
ELDRIDGE: OK.
But he didn't cause you any greater -- he didn't tell you this is a family we should be concerned about, we got to be worried about this guy, right?
POTTER: No, he didn't say anything like that.
ELDRIDGE: OK.
And when you got over to that car, and Mr. Wright got back into that car, the car was still running, right? It was running that whole time.
POTTER: I don't know if it was on or not.
ELDRIDGE: Well, you told Dr. Miller that the car was running, didn't you?
POTTER: I don't remember that.
ELDRIDGE: You told Dr. Miller that Wright pulled away and got back into the driver's seat of the car, which was still running.
POTTER: OK. Then I said that.
ELDRIDGE: And the entire time this is happening, you're standing behind Officer Luckey, right?
POTTER: At what point?
ELDRIDGE: As Mr. Wright is getting back in the car.
POTTER: I came around Officer Luckey's left side to help him.
ELDRIDGE: And you indicate that Sergeant Johnson had approached on the passenger side, but he wouldn't have been in front of the door, because that would have been unsafe, right?
POTTER: Yes. ELDRIDGE: OK.
I'm going to put on the screen Exhibit 13, starting at 20148, just that -- if you could leave it with that time frame, please.
OK. Miss Potter, on the screen we have exhibit 13 at 20148. I'm going to slowly advance the frames, and then pause it periodically.
So let's advance just a bit. OK, stopping right there.
At 20148, do you see yourself here taking a piece of paper in your left hand?
POTTER: Yes.
ELDRIDGE: All right.
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