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Zelenskyy To Address U.N. Security Council In Coming Hours; Bucha In Runs After Russian Troops Retreat From Town; Zelenskyy: Civilian Death Toll May Be High In Liberated Areas; Biden Calls For War Crimes Trial Against Vladimir Putin; Growing Horror Over Scenes Of Brutality In Kyiv Suburb; Russia Denies Killing Civilians Says Bucha Images "Fake"; Mass Grave, Bodies Lining Streets As Russians Leave Bucha; White House To Announce More Sanctions On Russia; U.S. Not Yet Calling Russian Atrocities "Genocide"; Melitopol Mayor: Russian Forces Turned City "Into Hell"' Ukraine: Russia Focusing Efforts To Capture Kharkiv; Ukrainian Forces Liberated Malaya Rohan Village From Russian Troops Last Week; Polish Schools Welcoming Ukrainians; Official Reports" Difficult" Situation In Luhansk Region; Horrific Scene In Bucha Draws International Outrage; U.S. And EU Leaders Vow New Sanctions To Punish Moscow; EU Leaders Concerned About Sanctioning Russian Energy. Aired 2-3a ET
Aired April 05, 2022 - 02:00 ET
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ANNOUNCER: This is CNN Breaking News.
JOHN VAUSE, CNN INTERNATIONAL ANCHOR: It is day 41 of Russia's war on Ukraine. Hello, and welcome to our viewers in the United States and around the world. I'm John Vause, live in Lviv, Ukraine.
And the Ukrainian President, Volodymyr Zelenskyy is expected to address the U.N. Security Council in the coming hours. A meeting that will focus on the massacre of civilians in the town of Bucha, just outside Kyiv. And this is just some of the destruction left behind in Bucha after weeks of fighting, but it's the human toll which is truly disturbing.
We've seen streets in Bucha, a littered with bodies, some with their hands tied behind their backs. CNN's team on the ground also found a mass grave with at least a dozen bodies, and yet the Kremlin claiming it ought to be fake dismissing the horrific scenes as little more than propaganda.
Satellite images suggest otherwise, though, and warning, these images are disturbing and may be hard to watch. Take a look at this, on the left still from a video taken on Friday, showing bodies in the street. On the right, images taken from a satellite on Friday, and you see those same bodies lying in exactly the same place.
Ukraine's President warning that the death toll in the newly liberated towns could be even higher than it is in Bucha.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) VOLODYMYR ZELENSKYY, PRESIDENT OF UKRAINE (through translator):
There's already information that the number of victims of the occupiers maybe even higher in Borodyanka and some other liberated cities, in many villages of the liberated districts of the Kyiv, Chernihiv, and Sumy regions.
The occupiers did things that the locals had not seen even during the Nazi occupation 80 years ago. The occupiers will definitely bear responsibility for this.
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VAUSE: All of this is now sparked outrage around the world. On Monday, U.S. President Joe Biden called for a war crimes trial against the Russian President, Vladimir Putin.
And the EU has announced a joint investigation with Ukraine in a possible Russian war crimes. The U.S. and its allies also promising additional sanctions on the Kremlin.
More of CNN's Fred Pleitgen, but first, again a warning, you're about to see disturbing graphic images, but they reveal the brutality and sheer cruelty of what happened in Bucha under Russian occupation.
FREDERIK PLEITGEN, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Ukrainian authorities in Bucha lead us into a basement they call a Russian execution chamber. It's a gruesome scene, five bodies, their hands tied behind their backs, shot. The bullet casings collected by Ukrainian police, pock marks from bullets in the walls.
The Ukrainian say these men were killed when Russian forces use this compound as a military base while occupying Bucha. An advisor to Ukraine's interior minister, not even trying to conceal his anger.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE (through translator): After the liberation of Bucha five corpses of civilians were found here, he says, with their hands tied behind their backs. They were shot in the head and in the chest. They were tortured before.
PLEITGEN: Even the body collectors find it hard to keep their composure. Vladislav Demchenko (ph) is usually a painter. Now he collects the dead left behind after Russian forces retreated from Bucha.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE (through translator): This is not what we learned in school, he says. Do you see my hands? Hundreds, hundreds of dead. Hundreds, not dozens.
PLEITGEN: The Kremlin has denied Russia was behind any atrocities in Bucha. Now, the Russian say the notion of their troops having killed civilians is all fake news and propaganda. But it does seem clear that they were here, that looks like a sort of foxhole position, and over there they seem to have dug in a tank.
On the outer wall the letter "V", a symbol that Russian forces painted on their vehicles before invading this part of Ukraine. Now, a lot of Russian military hardware lies destroyed in the streets of Bucha and other towns around Kyiv, as the Ukrainians made a stand and prevented Vladimir Putin's army from entering the capital city.
Images published shortly after Russian forces left Bucha show many corpses lying in the streets. Some bodies had their hands tied behind their backs. President Biden called what happened here a war crime. While visiting Bucha, Ukraine's president vowed to bring those behind the violence against civilians to justice.
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ZELENSKYY (through translator): These are war crimes, he says. And they will be recognized by the world as genocide. You are here and you can see what happened. We know that thousands of people were killed and tortured, teared limbs, raped women, and killed children. And still, the dead keep piling up.
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PLEITGEN: Many lay in this mass grave behind the main church in Bucha. Local authorities tell us around 150 People are buried here, but no one knows the exact number. And here too, the scenes are tragic.
Vladimir (ph) has been searching for his younger brother, Dimitri (ph). Now he's convinced Dimitri lies here even though he can't be a 100 percent sure. The neighbor accompanying him has strong words for the Russians.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE (through translator): Why do you hate Ukraine so much? She says. Since the 1930s, you've been abusing Ukraine. You just wanted to destroy us. You wanted us gone. But we will be, everything will be okay. I believe it.
PLEITGEN: But more corpses are already on the way. At the end of the day, we meet Vladislav and the body collectors again. Another nine bodies found in this tour alone. And it's unlikely they'll be the last. Fred Pleitgen, CNN, Bucha, Ukraine.
VAUSE: And the White House says Russia will begin with more sanctions this week. President Joe Biden is also calling for war crime charges against Russian President, Vladimir Putin. With details, we have CNN's Phil Mattingly reporting in from the White House.
PHIL MATTINGLY, SENIOR WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT: President Biden long before many of his closest advisors were willing to call Russian President Vladimir Putin a war criminal did so, himself. And as the horrors of the images of what took place in Bucha just beamed around the world. He wanted to underscore that point, and make clear everything he's seen since has certainly proven that to be the case. Take a listen.
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JOE BIDEN, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA: He is a war criminal. We have to gather all the detail so this could be an actual have a war crime trial. This guy is brutal. And what's happening to Bucha is outrageous.
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MATTINGLY: Biden's comments underscore a reality here, one in which U.S. officials are not willing to call what they've seen up to this point, a genocide. This is a process, a lengthy one, a multilateral one, one, which the U.S. is engaged with the international community to collect to process to analyze information and intelligence for an eventual legal case.
When that case would actually come to pass, when anybody would actually go on trial, still very much an open question. Particularly, given the fact that the conflict is still very much ongoing.
It was something National Security Adviser, Jake Sullivan laid out to the media that while Russia may be retreating from the suburbs of Kyiv, they're very much refocusing their efforts on the eastern part of the country. And it is not going to be a short process ahead.
In fact, Jake Sullivan said it could take months and that, in his perspective, underscored the reality of the moment, a reality where complacency simply according to him, cannot be something takes over with the West with the U.S. and its key allies. More sanctions, they will be deployed in the days ahead. More lethal assistance to Ukraine, humanitarian aid, that will be coming as well.
Jake Sullivan's point, the President's point, the U.S. perspective at this point in time is that this is going to take a long time. And while the Ukrainian military has certainly performed far above expectations better than anybody could have hoped for, this isn't ending anytime soon.
And the support from allies, the U.S., the EU, and others is an absolute necessity at this point as Russia prepares to reengage in a major way. And it's just a different part of the country. Phil Mattingly, CNN, the White House.
VAUSE: The southern city of Melitopol has been under occupation by the Russians for weeks. Melitopol's elected Mayor Ivan Fedorov joins me now from Zaporizhzhia, a city located north of his hometown.
Apologies for mangling those pronunciations. But I want to get your take on what you are expecting in Melitopol once the Russian forces withdraw? Assuming that Ukrainian forces liberate your town. What are you hearing about what's been going on? What are your biggest concerns in terms of what's happened to the civilian population at the hands of those Russian soldiers?
MAYOR IVAN FEDOROV, MELITOPOL, UKRAINE: Good day. Now-- and now in Melitopol is in dangerous situation, but one month ago, to my city become war. It starts from 24th of February from of course, a rocket shoots to our military airport that situated it's 12-- it's 10 (ph), and 100 meters from civilian houses. And that's why all citizens now scared, all citizens now can't
understand anything, but the city more than one month already occupied it.
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FEDOROV: And now Russia Federation may-- cannot sit in our city. They stopped humanitarian aid, they doesn't give us the possibility to ever create citizens, and stop all citizens in city, and give them possibility to go to Crimea, but not to Ukraine and territories that control Ukraine.
That's why it's a very dangerous situation. I think it cannot accept (ph) from our citizens.
VAUSE: I'm just curious about, when you were kidnapped, when you were taken hostage by the Russian forces, they interrogated you for about a week. And then you were released in a prison exchange program. What did you learn about the Russian soldiers whilst you were in-- where you're being detained or in captivity? What did-- what was your impression?
FEDEROV: Russian soldiers is a zombie. You see, don't-- didn't understand anything morality (ph) situation, because they well known Russian propaganda and that's all. When I was kidnapped and sit in a camera and I asked them, "Why you come to my city? Why you come to my county?" And they answered me that they want to save Russian language.
But it's very stupid because in Melitopol, 95 percent of Melitopol citizens, Ukrainian Melitopol citizens speak on Russian. They said that they will make us free from Nazism. But it's impossible because I'm 33 years old, I didn't find any Nazis in my city.
And so, they said that we're not polite. We have no polite relationship with veterans of second World War. But it's a stupid argument too, because every year, sometime on a year, I meet with our veterans and spoke with them every year. And I know all of these veterans. That's why Russian soldiers is a zombie. They doesn't understand morality situation in Ukraine and all over the world.
VAUSE: So then, I honestly thought that they were coming to Ukraine to fight the Nazis, because that's what they've been told by Vladimir Putin. And they thought that the Russian language was in danger in your city where 95 percent of the people actually speak Russian.
Overall though, what was your impression of these Russian soldiers in terms of their age, their experience, their worldview? How did you find them?
FEDEROV: I find them that they have only-- they (INAUDIBLE) not normal situation. And their chiefs who sit in Moscow wants to make war, but not want to have some diplomatic issues and some diplomatic relationship. They want war, they want to start new Russian empire, and if now, all countries and all over the world, don't be united with Ukraine, the war will come in other countries, in the European Union, in European houses, and all over the world. Because Putin don't want to stop in Ukraine. And now Ukraine it's a border for all civilian countries.
VAUSE: Mayor, we will leave it there. Mayor Fedorov, we thank you for your time there in Zaporizhzhia, which is pretty much a safe haven right now from your city. So, thank you very much for being with us.
FEDEROV: Thank you so much.
VAUSE: We'll take a short break. When we come back, Ukraine says Russia has set its sights on capturing Kharkiv. CNN's Christiane Amanpour is there as the city braces (ph) for more results.
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VAUSE: Welcome back. While Ukraine's Defense Ministry warns that Russian forces are attempting to capture Kharkiv, as they shift this military offensive towards the east. Ukraine's second largest city is located nearly at Russia's borders.
Russian forces tried to take Kharkiv in the early days of the war, but they will push back by a strong Ukrainian defense. CNN'S Christiane Amanpour traveled to the city to meet with residents who've been sheltering underground. Also, to see firsthand the devastation left behind from Russia's earlier assaults. And a warning again, some images in her report are graphic.
CHRISTIANE AMANPOUR, CNN CHIEF INTERNATIONAL ANCHOR: Here in Kharkiv, former Ukrainian Capital, second biggest city, and one of the most important cultural sites, the great 19th Century Poet, Taras Shevchenko is hunkering down for the rest of this war.
Workers cover him in sandbags against the kind of destruction that's pounded the city center since the start. The most spectacular strike was this one a month ago, a Russian missile slams low and hard straight into the corner of the Regional Administration Building.
The missiles struck right here. And the idea of hitting a building like this is to deny the legitimacy of the state. But the terror against civilians continues, playground by playground, mall by mall, park bench by park bench.
Which is what we find in this residential neighborhood. People were sitting outside chatting on a Sunday afternoon, kids were playing. We find the telltale pattern of a mortar that landed right here. Authorities say seven people were killed in this neighborhood, many more were injured.
Kharkiv sits 40 miles from the Russian border. It is the last major city before Donbas where Russia is directing its war effort to the East. Just last week, the nearby village of Malaya Rohan was liberated from the Russians. This civilian says he was captured and held.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (SPEAKING FOREIGN LANGUAGE) I was taken hostage and they took me to the officer for interrogation. The officer said: "You are saboteur." No, I am a civilian, see all my documents, my registration.
AMANPOUR: When dusk falls, children are outside playing and getting the last bit of fresh air before descending underground into one of the capital's many subway stations.
After 40 days of war, they have turned their temporary homes into a neighborhood. Some have even decorated with fresh flowers. Xena (ph) says she's been living down here since the beginning.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Oh, this is my house.
AMANPOUR: Yes.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: This used to be my house. Now, we cannot live here, obviously because it has been bombed three times in a row.
AMANPOUR: But this is a safe space for you?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes, absolutely.
AMANPOUR: And for the kids?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes, absolutely.
AMANPOUR: Kids do what kids do, homework and handicrafts. Even this is organized, Marina (ph) works for an organization that plans ways to keep the children busy, entertained, and their minds of the trauma.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Here, we are equipped to the playing grounds the space for kids, where they can play with the toys, with contractors, made puzzles, and to do the things they did in their usual life before the war.
AMANPOUR: But the trauma is never far away. As we found in this underground station where civil defense are teaching kids how to protect themselves, how to recognize weapons and ordinance, and to remember never to touch. The adults are shown how to protect themselves in case of a chemical weapons attack.
Even this maternity hospital was damaged in a mortar strike. Now, the basement has been turned into a shelter and delivery room if necessary. Birth, life continues. We met Elena (ph) 30 minutes after she had delivered baby Yaroslava (ph).
How are you feeling?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Well, she's my first daughter.
AMANPOUR: Your first daughter?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes.
AMANPOUR: Your first child?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes.
AMANPOUR: As we're leaving, she tells us, "I love my country, I love my daughter, my family, my husband." And in the delirium of new motherhood, she says, "Everything will be great for us." Christiane Amanpour, CNN, Kharkiv.
VAUSE: Still to come here on CNN. A Polish teacher, Ukrainian students an obvious language gap, thank goodness for Google translate. More on that in a moment.
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VAUSE: Welcome back, everyone. I'm John Vause, live in Lviv, Ukraine. We're following breaking news here right now.
One official saying the situation has become difficult in the Luhansk Region made heavy Russian bombardment as well as street fighting. This new report comes as disturbing images from Bucha in the northwest of the capital proponing (ph) a swift global response.
Some nations are expelling Russian diplomats, others are vowing to increase sanctions and that includes the United States, which expects to announce new sanctions later this week. All of this as more horrific images emerge, and a warning, they are graphic.
Bodies can be seen lying on the streets, a number of them with their hands tied behind their backs. Ukraine's Foreign Minister, well, scenes like these may just be the tip of the iceberg.
The Ukrainian President visit Bucha on Monday to see the devastation and death firsthand and said more than 300 people were killed. He expects that number to rise as the entire city is searched.
He also wants civilian casualties may be even higher in other cities that have now been liberated by Ukrainian forces from the Russians.
Meantime, drone footage is showing the utter devastation in Mariupol. The mayor says the city is now on the brink of humanitarian catastrophe, more than 100,000 people need to evacuate. He says the city has not had food, water, or medicine in more than a month.
Ukrainian authorities say that the country is a full-fledged part of Europe and deserves be protected by a European Security Alliance somewhere down the line. But today, (INAUDIBLE) and NATO has said they will not be sending troops into Ukraine.
While the EU and U.S. are promising to do is work on further sanctions against Russia, which could mean further bans on Russian energy exports. CNN's Nic Robertson picks up the story
NIC ROBERTSON, CNN INTERNATIONAL DIPLOMATIC EDITOR: President Biden's last big announcement before leaving Brussels that he will help the European Union switch away from Russian energy supplies. President Biden came to Brussels looking for unity, hoping to encourage more sanctions from European Union leaders.
They've been very concerned about sanctioning Russian oil and gas because the prices of energy are going up in Europe, and that's inflicting pain on many of the countries here. The Greek Prime Minister outlining just what it means for him.
KYRIAKOS MITSOTAKIS, PRIME MINISTER OF GREECE: We are all-- already paying a price. I think we certainly all need to reassess our growth forecasts or faced with significant inflationary pressures as a result of the war. And energy costs are really hurting, and they're hurting our citizens. But at the end of the day, as much as we have an allegiance to support Ukraine, we also have an allegiance to our citizens to make sure that they do not suffer more than they can actually bear.
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ROBERTSON: So, President Biden saying, he would strive to ensure the United States provides the European Union with 15 billion cubic meters of LNG, liquefied natural gas, to help replace that gas that they're currently getting from Russia. The aim would be to replace two thirds of the gas that the EU gets from Russia by the end of the year. President Biden saying that, money that goes from the EU to buy that Russian gas is fueling President Putin's war in Ukraine.
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JOE BIDEN, U.S. PRESIDENT: We're coming together to reduce Europe's dependence on Russian energy. Putin has issued Russia's energy resources to coerce and manipulate its neighbors, that's how he's used it. He's used the profits to drive his war machine.
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ROBERTSON: And even after President Biden left Brussels, European Union leaders, still in hot debate about the energy issue here. Nations, like Greece, looking for a price cap on the cost of energy. Big concerns here, that outflow -- outfall of the war and Ukraine, impacting the European Union, not just energy costs but all the refugees as well. Big debates here still going on at the EU. Nic Robertson, CNN, Brussels.
VAUSE: Well, Poland is now home to more Ukrainian refugees, in any other country. Most of them are women and children. Many of those children now want to go back to school. And they don't speak Polish, and teachers there don't speak Ukrainian, for the most part. But they found a way to make things work. Here's Kyung Lah.
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KYUNG LAH, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voiceover): To learn the full scope of war, take a seat in Ms. Magda's classroom. She is a Polish teacher, using google translate to communicate in Ukrainian with her new foreign students. Her class has grown by 40 percent this month, with new children, who've just fled the only home they've ever known.
LAH (on camera): You're translating on the internet --
MAGDA, POLISH TEACHER: Yes.
LAH (on camera): -- as you teach?
MAGDA: Yes, because I know only polish language.
LAH (on camera): How important is it for you, as a teacher, to help these kids?
MAGDA: (Speaking in foreign language). Very important.
LAH (voiceover): Primary school 157 with bilingual classes has welcomed every new refugee. Classes are more cramped, but these public-school students don't complain. Because they feel, they already know the strangers sitting next to them.
EDWARD CZYZEWSKI, POLISH STUDENT: Well, a lot of kids have come to our school. And some of them have told stories about what happened. They've left people that they left behind.
LAH (voiceover): Edward Czyzewski is 13 years old. A polish student. Seeing the influx of war survivors come through his school doors.
CZYZEWSKI: The more we take in, the better we're doing.
LAH (on camera): The better?
CZYZEWSKI: Yes.
LAH (on camera): So, you don't mind that the --
CZYZEWSKI: No.
LAH (on camera): -- rooms are crowded?
CZYZEWSKI: No, it's for a good cause.
LAH (on camera): So, these are all Polish kids?
LAH (voiceover): Eva Regskrunat (ph) is the vice director.
EVA REGSKRUNAT, VICE DIRECTOR OF PRIMARY SCHOOL 157: It's hard.
LAH (voiceover): She feels for every child in the building. And only wishes she could do more.
REGSKRUNAT: Especially when I see people helping. And I don't know if we can help in only small part.
LAH (voiceover): Warsaw's mayor tells us the strain on his city schools is enormous. The 100,000 additional refugee children in Poland's capital need an education. It's an increase of 30 percent just as the last month. Nizar Zamadenco (ph) is 13. He's from Kyiv.
LAH (on camera): Your mom is here? NIZAR ZAMADENCO, UKRAINIAN REFUGEE STUDYING IN POLAND: Yes.
LAH (on camera): Your father?
ZAMADENCO: No, he stayed in Ukraine.
LAH (voiceover): Nizar's father is a minister, helping fight in the war. It took a week for Nizar to escape Ukraine with his mother. School, offers the structure of a life he's lost.
LAH (on camera): Your favorite subject is?
ZAMADENCO: Math.
LAH (on camera): Math. You like math.
ZAMADENCO: Yes.
LAH (on camera): Is it easier being around other Ukrainian kids?
LAH (voiceover): Yes, he says. We can talk. They understand.
Of the four million refugees fleeing Ukraine, half our children. Paying the price of adult sins.
LAH (on camera): How hard is it for kids, your age, to live through this?
CZYZEWSKI: I think it's practically impossible to go through this. It's just mind-boggling how this could happen to someone that young.
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LAH: The school told us they're not experts in dealing with war trauma. And there just isn't a system yet in place to deal with these kids who are coming into the school. Despite the strain, they say, not one single child will be turned away. Kyung Lah, CNN, Warsaw, Poland.
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VAUSE: Let's send things back to Rosemary Church standing by live at CNN World Headquarters in Atlanta. And, Rosie, it is just so crucial to have that structure for the children, because once they get into the classroom, even if it is in Polish and they barely understand what's happening, it gives them that kind of routine that they can get used to once again.
CHURCH: Yes, you're absolutely right. They need some form of normalcy --
VAUSE: Yes.
CHURCH: -- to try to move forward with all of this. It's just heartbreaking to deal and to understand what they're dealing with. John, many thanks.
VAUSE: Yes, absolutely.
CHURCH: Really appreciate it. See you at the top of the hour.
Well, just ahead, war refugees cast out into the cold with nothing to eat. I will talk with a chef on a mission to help serve their millions of meals.
JENNY BROWN, CAMPAIGN DIRECTOR, THE END IT MOVEMENT: No one voice is better or more important than another. We need everybody. One of the things that we always say that, we want to tell the world that slavery still exists. But, in order to do that, we need everybody to tell their own world.
My name is Jenny Brown. And I'm the campaign director of The End It Movement. "Shine a Light on Slavery Day", is a day that we pick each year. It's typically in the month of February. And it's the time for us to really own the conversation for freedom. We asked everybody to join with by drawing a red X on their hand or putting a pin on or on some apparel, whatever is appropriate. And then posting about it on social media and just going about your day having conversations to let people know that slavery still exists.
We have heard story after story of lawmakers hearing about because they saw a bunch of pictures on social, people with red Xes and wanted to learn more. And it caused them to want to do things, like, creating global funds that made resources and funding available for different partners around the world.
On "Shine a Light on Slavery Day, " we really hope to see people from all walks of life. From celebrities, and influencers and professional athletes, to politicians, to soccer moms, and college students. We feel like this really is just a human issue and it's going to take everybody on board, across the world, in order to make a dent and to really truly bring freedom to the 40 million men, women, and children, trapped in slavery around the world today.
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PIPPA BAILEY, HEAD OF CLIMATE CHANGE & SUSTAINABILITY PRACTICE, IPSOS: My name is Pippa Bailey. I work for IPSOS. And I am head of climate change and sustainability practice. So, many companies that we speak to struggle with, you know, how to talk about sustainability. How to share the great campaigns that they are doing. And there's kind of a number of guidelines people need to follow. First of all, making sure you've got your own house in order. That you're, you know, own environment, social and government policies are heading in the right direction before you can go, kind of, offensive with the campaign. Where you want to illustrate what great work you're doing. But also, to kind of avoid greenwashing is making sure that that really fit under the brand banner, that it represents what your brand is about. So, that it feels very intuitive for consumers.
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[02:40:00] CHURCH: Volunteers from the World Central Kitchen Charity are helping serve meals to hundreds of thousands of people in Ukraine and neighboring countries. They were in the recently liberated towns of Irpin and Bucha. The group's founder, Chef Jose Andres, described what he saw there as impossible to narrate. He says, he could believe this was happening in the 21st century.
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JOSE ANDRES, FOUNDER, WORLD CENTRAL KITCHING: You see in Bucha those elderly women, in their 70s, in their 80s, as we were giving them a very humble plate of food and a piece of bread, how they will have tears in their eyes and they will give you a hug. They will give you a hug and they will not let you go. They're in desperation. And that these people are and what they went through to see moments like this.
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CHURCH: Well, joining me live from Poland is Chef Marc Murphy, who's volunteering with World Central Kitchen. Thank you so much for talking with us.
MARC MURPHY, CHEF & VOLUNTEER AT WORLD CENTRAL KITCHEN: Hi. How are you?
CHURCH: I wanted to ask you just how difficult it's been, seeing so many people in need of your help, refugees who've absolutely everything and rely on your meals for both nourishment and comfort?
MURPHY: Well, it's good to be part of the team. Jose Andres, set up World Central Kitchen, and it gives us the opportunity to come here and be able to help, you know. I live in New York City. And it's hard. You can donate. You can do things. But I have a skill that I could use. So, I called up Jose and I said, hey, do you need my help? And I came over here. And I'm, right now, I'm in the kitchen about a couple of miles away from the border in Poland.
We're preparing thousands and thousands of meals. We're sending it to different refugee centers. We're sending it to the border and the train stations where there's a lot of people coming and coming. So, we're -- you know, we're doing our little part. Eating food is a human -- I think, you know, people should be able to eat food. It's, you know, it's a human right. And crossing the border after a cold, long trip, coming over to cross. We're giving the kids a little cup of hot chocolates or a little chicken soup, or something to keep them warm. But, yes, we try to make a little difference where we can.
CHURCH: It is incredible. And, you know, as you've been speaking with us, we've been looking at some of those images that you sent to us, showing those huge pots of food being prepared. The logistics of providing meals on this scale must be extraordinary. How many meals would you make each day? And what planning is required to get this job done?
MURPHY: Well, we have Chef Carla here, who's working with grabs and helps with the kitchen a lot. And she has a pretty good grasp about what we're doing. There's a purchasing department. They're buying food. They're getting -- we're getting food donations. We're just, you know, we come in every day. We look at the orders We're getting feedback from all the different places where we're sending food. They say how busy it is at certain refugee centers.
And we have these big cauldrons We can make about 1,000, 500 meals at a time. We have six of them going. And we have these large ovens, we have them on the way back. We have a lot of volunteers that are here that are making sandwiches because some people are just grabbing sandwiches and getting on buses and going else place in Europe. So, it's a big operation, and we're just -- we just keep at it every day.
CHURCH: It is. It's massive. And you touched on this, Marc. But I want to go a little deeper into why you felt that you needed to help in this way. I mean, not just to donate, but to actually volunteer to go to Poland, and help provide these meals for all these refugees who have fled with, pretty much little, more than their lives.
MURPHY: Well, I just -- I couldn't sit around anymore. I was in Florida, actually, with Jose Andres in a food and wine festival. And he got all the chefs together and we talked a little bit about the organization. And then this war broke out, and I was on the plane going back to New York. And I thought, I can cancel things for the next two months. I looked at my calendar. I canceled a lot of different things I was going to be doing. I figured out I'm going to go and help. And it's one thing just -- I just couldn't do it. I just couldn't sit there and not do anything. So, I decided to just get on a plane. It was pretty spontaneous.
CHURCH: And Marc, what has stood out to you, as you cook for all of these people who have fled war in their homeland. Some of them may not return.
MURPHY: Yes, it's very sad. We actually have a lot of -- every story. I mean, I had a story from somebody who connected with me on LinkedIn who said he was a chef in another part of a world. And his wife and daughter were trying to come out. And could I try to helped them if they got across the border where I was close by.
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Luckily, they got out. They got to a hotel and they got a plane and they went and met the husband. But, you know, you hear little stories like this. You hear stories -- we have -- we have people who are working here. We've actually hired refugees that are here in Poland, just a couple of miles over the border. They've left their families behind. We have one woman that works in distribution and she's doing an amazing job. But I can't imagine the pain going through that -- coming to work every day, feeding your family, basically, from across the border. And all with your relatives and, you know, compatriots back there. It's -- you know, these stories going on right now is completely mind-boggling. But it feels good, to me, at least being able to be here and being able to help.
CHURCH: Absolutely. And you mentioned that you're going to be there, what, for two months? Is there a list of other chefs back in the United States or elsewhere across the globe who will take your spot? I mean, how long can you keep this going on for, do you think?
MURPHY: Well, I thinking -- and I'm not part of the operation here. I mean, there are a lot of volunteers. There are a lot of chefs that are coming through, depending on how long they can stay. We're also hiring locals to be able to come and do things here. So, it's -- we're just -- it's still, basically, in the -- we're still in the setting of stages. But we're -- they're getting more organized. There will be more chefs coming through.
There's a volunteer system on the World Central Kitchen website. People are signing up and coming in over and working. They're either -- if they're not chefs, they can help out making sandwiches, of just -- you know, peeling carrots or doing things like that as well. There are all sorts of different jobs to be done here.
CHURCH: Chef Marc Murphy, we all here at CNN, salute you and what you and all of the other chefs are doing. It is extraordinary. Thank you so much for talking with us.
MURPHY: Thank you so much.
CHURCH: And still to come, Shanghai extends its lockdown as it waits for results from the latest rounds of mask COVID testing. How the city is faring against its worst outbreak yet. That's when we return.
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CHURCH: Officials in Shanghai say, the city will stay under lockdown as new COVID infections continue to surge. The Chinese city is in the midst of its worst outbreak since the pandemic began. Authorities finished a second round of citywide testing on Tuesday, with the help of more than 10,000 health care workers brought in to help manage the outbreak. And CNN's Selina Wang joins me now live from Tokyo with the latest. Good to see you, Selina. So, how have people in Shanghai been dealing with this lockdown? And, now news, of course, that it will be extended due to surge in cases.
SELINA WANG, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, Rosemary, even before that announcement, emotions were running high. People were angry. They were fed up. And now there is no end in sight for this lockdown that was originally only supposed to last for a few days. But now as COVID cases in Shanghai continue to reach record highs, more than 10,000 a day, authorities are saying this lockdown will be in place until further notice.
Now, many have already endured weeks of this lockdowns because of targeted cases that have appeared in their neighborhoods. And there have been numerous, countless complaints of people struggling to get daily necessities. Waking up at 5:00 a.m. to try to put on online orders only to see that everything they need has already sold out. There have been numerous heartbreaking stories of people who have been unable to get critical, medical care.
The medical system right now in Shanghai is being stretched to its limits. And that is because even though the majority of COVID cases in China are being recorded as asymptomatic or mild, the rule is that every single COVID case needs to either go to a hospital or to a quarantine facility. And the conditions, at these facilities, there have been many complaints about them. There is this video on social media, on Chinese social media, that we're going to pull up right here that shows a crowd of people that are literally battling to get blankets and other necessities with no medical staff insight. This was at a makeshift hospital in Shanghai. And it just underscores how challenging the current situation is for people who are locked in at home who are having to endure the conditions in these quarantine facilities.
There have also been video circulating online of children, and even infants, who are isolating alone in hospitals, separate from their families after testing positive for COVID-19. We don't know how many families have been affected by that policy. But we have learned, according to sources, that the children of U.S. citizens have been separated from their families because of this.
But despite these huge economic and social costs, authorities in China are continuing to double down on this zero-COVID policy. It's clear now that they believe the alternative to the lockdowns would be even worse. The exposure of 1.4 billion people to the virus, especially, in a population where vaccinations are lagging among the elderly. And the nightmare scenario of the health care system across the country being completely overwhelmed. But more and more residents are questioning whether the approach to COVID is perhaps worse than the virus itself. Rosemary.
CHURCH: Yes, I'm sure it's getting to that point, isn't it? Sellina Wang joining us live from Tokyo, many thanks.
Well, U.S. Judge Ketanji Brown Jackson is expected to become the first black woman to be confirmed a Supreme Court Justice after the Senate voted to advance her nomination to a confirmation vote. After the Senate Judiciary Committee deadlocked 11 votes, both for and against Jackson's nomination.
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Senate Majority Leader, Chuck Schumer, call for a vote to break the deadlock and send her nomination to the floor. Senate Republican and Democratic leaders agreed Jackson is a well-qualified nominee. But almost all GOP Senators are expected to oppose her. The vote to confirm her is expected to be held later this week.
Well, congratulations to the Kansas Jayhawk's, the 2022 men's college basketball champions. They beat the North Carolina Tar Heels 72 to 69 in a thrilling game, Monday night, in New Orleans. Kansas trailed by as much as 16 points in the first half but they made the record hoax with the largest comeback in title game history. Fans were celebrating back in Lawrence, Kansas. This is the fourth time in school history that the Jayhawks have won the men's championship. Well done.
And thank you so much for watching. I'll be back later, next hour. CNN's breaking news coverage continues next with John Vause live in Lviv, Ukraine.
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y Council, a meeting that will focus on the massacre of civilians in the town of Bucha, Ukraine>
