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Airport Reaching Pre-Pandemic Levels Of Travelers; Jan. 6 Committee Concerned About Potential Witness Tampering; Trump Could Announce Presidential Run As Soon As This Month; Biden White House Struggles to Manage Growing Number of Crises; Emmett Till's Family Calls for Justice After Finding Unserved Arrest Warrant in His Case; Stanley Cup Delivered to Wrong Address. Aired 1-2p ET

Aired July 02, 2022 - 13:00   ET

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EVAN MCMORRIS-SANTORO, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voiceover): Is the credit crunch could expand into families who thought they had to control their debt.

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RYAN NOBLES, CNN ANCHOR: Hello, and thank you for joining me. I'm Ryan Nobles in today for Fredricka Whitfield.

And happening now, travel plans turning turbulent for millions of Americans on this busy holiday weekend. More than a thousand flights canceled in just the last two days.

This is the TSA now says airports have hit pre-pandemic levels, agents screening the most passengers since February of 2020. And there's no relief on the roads. AAA's estimating a record number of 42 million Americans are hitting the highways on July 4.

So we have reporters now at two of the busiest airports in the country. CNN's Camila Bernal is in Los Angeles at LAX, but first, let's go to CNN's Nadia Romero at Hartsfield Jackson International Airport in Atlanta.

Nadia, we've been watching these lines stretch there all day. What are people saying about their travel this weekend?

NADIA ROMERO, CNN NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Yes. Well, it's a really a mixed bag, Ryan. We talk to some people who made sure to come to the airport a lot earlier than normal.

One couple said they came three hours early just to make sure they were able to make their flight. But we also heard from a gentleman who's just trying to get from Atlanta to Vegas, his flight has been canceled now three times.

He was supposed to leave at 8 a.m. Now, he's been put on a flight at 7 p.m. He no longer has his hotels so he's just going to hang out at the airport all day hoping to get on that last flight out tonight.

Obviously, he isn't too happy with the airlines and how things have gone this holiday weekend forum so far.

We saw the busiest amount of people and the most people at the TSA checkpoint this morning during that six o'clock to 9 a.m. hour. If you can see behind me where people are checking in to Delta here, getting their bags checked in this line is starting to pick up again as we get back into another rush that will hit us late afternoon, early evening.

We spoke with one woman though who was all smiles because she's headed to Belize for a tropical vacation to see her in-laws. This is what she had to say about what she did to make sure that she got to the airport on time to catch that flight. Take a listen.

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JODI BURN, PASSENGER: The airport security and the -- and the airport personnel have been fabulous and fantastic. And everybody has a smile on their face. It's a -- it's a holiday weekend. It's going to be great. We'd love some spare time and we parked nearby and took the Marta train in, so yes, we just left enough time to get here and we're super excited.

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ROMERO: Super excited for that tropical vacation, others having their vacation in the airport. But the majority of people according to AAA and NREX will be heading out on the road. 88 percent of travelers will be traveling by car.

They're expecting some 42 million Americans to have a road trip of 50 miles or more. And you're going to see the most traffic congestion in your big cities like Atlanta, Boston, Chicago, LA New York, and Seattle.

Ryan, back here in Atlanta people know this is the busiest airport in the country. They expect long lines, but people are still very frustrated with having their flights delayed and canceled. Ryan.

NOBLES: And understandably so. OK, Nadia, you're on the East Coast. Let's move over to the West Coast and that's where Camila is. She's at LAX and what's the situation like there?

CAMILA BERNAL, CNN NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Hey, Ryan, so things appear to be running smoothly here at LAX. Yes, you're going to be waiting in line a little bit while you checking your bag, while you go through security, but overall, only 12 flights have been canceled today here at LAX compared to about 500 nationwide. And look, these are much better numbers than what we saw last time we

were here over that Father's Day Juneteenth holiday weekend where hundreds of flights were canceled.

We previously reported that yes, airlines are struggling. They say they cannot hire the amount of people that they need and want to hire for this summer, and for the influx of passengers.

There's also infrastructure problems and there's always weather problems that cause delays and cancellations. But overall, it appears that these airlines are handling it well this holiday weekend.

And you can tell because as we speak to passengers, they are excited to travel just like Nadia was talking about what passengers were seeing in Atlanta. Over here, they're also just happy to be back, happy to see other people traveling as well.

So you can tell that these airlines are handling things a little bit better but it doesn't mean that things will continue to be this way over the summer. We do expect cancellations and delays over the summer because the airlines have already said that they are facing a lot of challenges, Ryan.

NOBLES: All right. Camila Bernal and Nadia Romero, thanks to both of you on this busy holiday weekend. And we also are bracing for some stormy weather to cause problems for travelers and potentially put a damper on some of the holiday plans. Meteorologist Karen Maginnis is monitoring the storm system. So, Karen, what's it looks like out there?

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KAREN MAGINNIS, CNN METEOROLOGIST: Well, just the combination of the heavy volume of travelers at some of the major airports and the afternoon thunderstorms. And then now we've got kind of the key ingredients for some delays.

And they include Atlanta, Raleigh, Washington, DC, New York, and into Boston, that I-95 Corridor. It's going to be very active for this evening. Also pushed to the Midwest from Chicago to Kansas City, and even into the Pacific Northwest later on in the day, it could be some minor weather-related delays.

Now, these are not cancellations, they strictly apply to weather. And you can see there's a very active weather pattern across much of the United States. We could see the risk for severe weather across the northern Great Plains, as well as that Northeastern corridor.

All right, this is Tropical Storm Colin. It formed about 5:00 this morning, Eastern Time, just off the coast of South Carolina.

Now, most of the deep convection is further to the south but it also means that there will be the risk of a pretty strong rip current in some of these coastal areas of North and South Carolina, then the risk of these afternoon thunderstorms.

So if you're driving to a destination, watch out because some of those thunderstorms can really reduce your visibility tremendously.

Also, during the afternoon, you start here there you can see that flare-up of storms. As we go towards the evening, storms across the northern tier, the Dakotas, and also into Minnesota.

We could see damaging winds also large-sized hail with a very languishing weather system. How hot is it going to be? Temperatures are mostly in the 90s, Dallas 97 degrees, not as hot but I will say that it does appear as if the weather trend as far as thunderstorms is concerned.

It begins to taper off tomorrow and even more so for July 4. So we'll salvage part of this holiday for you. Anyway, back to you, Ryan.

NOBLES: Karen, thank you so much. Let's talk more about this now with Henry Harteveldt. He is the president of the atmosphere research group. He's also a travel industry analyst. Henry, we're so glad to have you this weekend.

We're already seeing hundreds of flight delays and cancellations again today. Experts like you've been predicting large crowds for the holiday weekend, so why is the airline industry seemingly so unprepared for this big surge?

HENRY HARTEVELDT, PRESIDENT & TRAVEL INDUSTRY ANALYST, ATMOSPHERE RESEARCH GROUP: Well, let's put something in context first, Ryan, which is some of these delays and cancellations are weather-related. And the airlines aren't -- cannot obviously control bad weather.

But there is shared responsibility here between airlines and FAA. You know, the FAA has not been able to hire enough air traffic controllers to handle not only the organic growth of flights but the controllers who retire at age 56.

Airlines let far too many pilots go we've got a well-publicized, well-- discussed pilot shortage. In spite of that airlines were overly zealous in scheduling flights. It's like we've got 10 pounds of flying in an eight-pound bag.

And so nothing is working quite as well as it should. The fact that airlines have cut back some of their flyings now for July and August, I hope will lead to fewer delays and cancellations when we've got good weather.

NOBLES: So talk to me a little bit about the situation with some off- duty Delta pilots. They've been protesting. They say that they're overworked and that the airline is understaffed. Why is it taking so long for the airlines to get back to their pre-pandemic staffing levels?

HARTEVELDT: You know, Ryan, if you and I wanted to become an airline pilot today, it would take us at least three years of flight training and experience, possibly five years and we would be spending $80,00 perhaps $120,000 to become an air transport pilot.

That's the license you need to fly a commercial aircraft for an airline. So it's not something that you can just snap your fingers at and fix overnight.

Becoming a pilot has not been at the top of a lot of people's career interests. More people are be -- interested now in a career as a pilot and even have United Airlines and others starting their own flight training schools.

This is -- this is something that's going to take us several years to fix it. The airlines this year have to hire approximately 13,000 pilots, they'll need another 13,000 pilots next year, and they'll need 8000 or so in 2024.

You know pilots have to retire at age 65. The airlines have asked the DOT and FAA to extend the retirement age and to reduce -- a slightly reduced the number of hours needed for training. We're waiting for the decision from FAA and DOT on that

NOBLES: So we've seen that the airlines have attempted this strategy, they call pre-emptive cancellations. And the point of that is to minimize disruptions. Has that strategy been working?

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HARTEVELDT: Yes, it has. When airlines know that there's bad weather coming to a city or to a region or if the FAA, lets them know in advance that there will be a problem handling flights, then the airlines will cancel those flights in advance. And passengers are told don't come to the airport, and they work with those folks to get rebooked.

What frustrates folks, though, is when events happen that are not planned. And so we've got all of these delays that are sprawling, in part because of weather and air traffic congestion.

That's what frustrates people because I'm sure you've been at an airport. I certainly have been. When you are, you're told we got a 15- minute delay that creeps in creeps and creeps to an hour or longer sometimes.

NOBLES: Yes, I agree. Sometimes it's better just to get the cancellation over with so you can figure out what your plans are, as opposed to waiting around for it to be canceled. So airlines are also --

HARTEVELDT: Right. (INAUDIBLE)

NOBLES: Go ahead. Yes.

HARTEVELDT: I was just going to say. The one thing I would just like to say is no airline wants to delay a flight or cancel a flight. Airline executives do not wake up in the morning saying how can we inconvenience hundreds of thousands of people today?

You know, safety has to come first, but they're also dealing with a lot of complexities with their pilots. You still have pilots getting sick from COVID. And that affects their ability to staff flights as well. NOBLES: I just wanted -- the last question I have for you, Henry, as you know, the government really provided these airlines a lot of money during the pandemic in an attempt to keep them afloat and to prevent this mass loss of workforce during this period of time.

Why are the airlines still unable to keep the staffing necessary now that we're back to these pre-pandemic levels? Wasn't that at least part of what this funding was designed to do?

HARTEVELDT: Absolutely, right. So the airlines were given $54 billion in grants and wage subsidies in 2020, and 2021, with a lot of that money geared toward keeping people employed.

The challenge is that when COVID first emerged and air travel demand fell by 96 percent. With an unclear trajectory on when we would see recovery, airlines hit the panic button. And they were offering a lot of their more veteran employees, including older pilots, incentives to leave early in order to reduce their workload and payroll up -- and pay payrolls, excuse me.

So what happens is that once those pilots leave, it's difficult for the airlines to recall them. There are some airlines that may have been quietly bringing some of those pilots back.

But then the airlines saw three times more pilots lost in one year, in 2020, than they normally do. So they've been behind the eight ball ever since trying to make up for that loss. And like I said, you can't just snap your fingers and have a crop of new airline pilots appear.

This is a profession that relies on a lot of training and has the highest standards of safety. So you know, hopefully, by -- it's going to take time, it's not going to be fixed tomorrow. it's not going to be fixed next year, my hope is by 2024 we're clearly through the worst of this.

NOBLES: Yes, I certainly don't think anybody watching at home wants them to cut corners on safety and training and all of the things that are connected to that. They want the very best, most professional, and safe pilots manning these flights once they get up in the air.

But, Henry, you provided a lot of great insight on this busy holiday travel weekend. Thank you so much for being here and happy Fourth of July.

HARTEVELDT: Thank you. And the same day you.

NOBLES: Don't forget to join us for coast-to-coast fireworks and some incredible music from some of the biggest stars. Celebrate the Fourth in America live on July 4 at 7 p.m. Eastern only on CNN.

And still, ahead, damning new allegations that former President Trump and his allies may be trying to intimidate and influence witnesses coming before the January 6 Select Committee. We'll have details on that straight ahead.

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NOBLES: New information appears to corroborate some of the stunning details from Cassidy Hutchinson's testimony this week before the January 6 Select Committee. The former aide to Mark Meadows testified about that then-president's intense anger when a security detail refused to take him to the Capitol on January 6.

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CASSIDY HUTCHINSON, FORMER AIDE TO MARK MEADOWS: I looked at Tony and he had said, did you effing hear what happened in the beast? Tony described him as being irate. The president said something to the effect of I'm the effing President.

Take me up to the Capitol now. The President reached up towards the front of the vehicle to grab at the steering wheel. Mr. Trump then used his free hand to lunge toward Bobby Engel and Mister -- when Mr. Ornato had recounted this story to me he had motioned towards his clavicles.

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NOBLES: Now sources in the Secret Service tell CNN that versions of that story have been circulating inside the agency over the past year and that they were told an angry confrontation did occur in Trump's SUV after a security detail refused to drive into the Capitol on January 6.

Now, the sources say they did not hear anything about Trump trying to grab the steering wheel, but one source says they were told that Trump had lunged forward, although it was unclear if he had actually made any physical contact with anyone.

Now, this development comes as allegations of potential witness tampering or getting extra scrutiny on Capitol Hill following Tuesday's explosive hearing. Now, sources say the pressure was applied to Cassidy Hutchinson twice from an intermediary to former White House Chief of Staff Mark Meadows before she appeared before the committee.

CNN crime and justice correspondent Katelyn Polantz joins us now. So, Caitlin, what are we learning about this potential witness tampering?

KATELYN POLANTZ, CNN SENIOR CRIME AND JUSTICE REPORTER: Well, Ryan, this last house committee hearing raised very serious accusations of witness intimidation as Cassidy Hutchinson was preparing to testify about Trump putting together what Vice-Chair Liz Cheney said with our reporting, Cassidy Hutchinson was receiving phone calls, reminding her to be loyal and to stay in Trump's good graces before she shared her bombshell recollections with the House investigation.

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POLANTZ: And the thing is, Ryan, these types of calls are the type of tactic that's been used previously when Donald Trump was under investigation before. For those of us who covered the Mueller investigation, the messages to Cassidy Hutchinson are eerily similar to phone calls, e-mails, and conversations that were documented by Special Counsel Robert Mueller in the Russia investigation.

I want to walk through three examples. All of them were messages from attorneys connected to Trump reaching out to people who might flip on him and become cooperators of Mueller's.

So in 2017, his attorney, John Dowd, left a voicemail for Michael Flynn's attorneys as Flynn was signing up to plead guilty and become an early important cooperator in the Mueller investigation.

Dowd said we need some kind of heads up. Remember what we've always said about the president and his feelings toward Flynn than before Michael Cohen flipped on Trump, but realize he was under pressure from investigators.

He got an e0mail from an attorney working with Rudy Giuliani, who was representing Trump at the time. You are loved sleep well tonight. You have friends in high places.

And then Paul Manafort, that campaign chairman who went to trial never revealed the full extent of what he knew in 2016. He told his deputy Rick Gates, that he was in touch with an attorney for Trump.

And while Gates was negotiating, cooperating in the Muller investigation at the message sent was sit tight, we'll be taken care of. So for each of these episodes, and others, this previous criminal investigator, the Special Counsel Mueller, he was looking at Trump and he found that Trump had the intention of discouraging people from cooperating with investigators.

Obviously, Trump and others were not charged with this. Some of it was never fully investigated, because these messages came from lawyers. But now the consensus across the legal community is that at the very least.

These calls to Cassidy has Hutchinson merit investigation, including by potentially the Department of Justice, Ryan.

NOBLES: Katelyn Polantz, at the very least, there appears to be a pattern. Thank you so much for that reporting. Well, as the January 6 Committee continues to drop major revelations about Donald Trump's role in the Capitol insurrection and his efforts to overturn the 2020 election, CNN has also learned that Trump is considering an official announcement as soon as his month that he's running for president again in 2024.

Joining me to talk more about, this are Margaret Talev, a CNN political analyst, and the managing editor for Axios, and also with us, Jeff Mason, the White House correspondent for Reuters.

So, Jeff, yes, we're already talking about Trump 2024, hard to believe, right? If he does announce his intention to run before the November midterms, how could that impact the election that we have coming up this fall in 2022? JEFF MASON, WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT: Well, Ryan, it could impact in a couple of different ways. On the Republican side, it could gin up support or bring out more supporters of four candidates that he has endorsed, for candidates who he has backed it by putting him and having him out on the trail more both for himself and for them.

It could have another impact, though, as well. It could remind Democrats who are already reeling from the Roe v. Wade decision by the Supreme Court about what Trump did with regard to the court and everything else that he did in office, and that could gin up support among them.

And that would help Biden and help Democrats who are expected to face otherwise pretty, pretty tough headwinds in the -- in the midterms.

NOBLES: And, of course, Margaret, this comes as the former president is dealing with all these revelations that keep coming out as it relates to the January 6 Select Committee and there are Republicans that are voicing concerns that this could damage his 2024 prospects. Listen to what Pat Toomey, a senator from Pennsylvania had to say about this.

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SEN. PAT TOOMEY, (R-PA): I think he disqualified himself from serving in public office by virtue of his post-election behavior, especially leading right up to January 6. I think the revelations from this committee make his path to even the Republican nomination much more tenuous.

You know never say never. And he decides whether to throw his hat in the -- in the ring, but I think we'll have a stronger candidate.

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NOBLES: So, Margaret, Pat Toomey joining the chorus of people that all of a sudden get very honest when they don't have an electoral prospect in front of them as he is an outgoing Republican senator.

But Trump still has a pretty strong grip on the Republican Party. Have you seen any signs that he's been damaged by these hearings? And could it hurt him getting the GOP nomination?

MARGARET TALEV, MANAGING EDITOR, AXIOS: You know, Ryan, the longer the hearings go on the more revelations there are. That risk always emerges. If you look at the polling now, though, there really -- there are two trends worth watching.

And one is what share of Republicans say they identify more with Trump versus what share say they identify more with the Republican party.

That's been softening for him in recent months. I think NBC has been tracking this. More Republicans saying they primarily identify with the Republican Party, but they still identify strongly with him.

And the other is really who's the competition because if you're in a primary campaign, you're not running against just yourself or nothing. You're running against other candidates.

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TALEV: Right now, Ron DeSantis certainly is an emerging force. He's the people that probably the biggest, like the movement of Republicans is excited about as a potential alternative.

But in the polling, Trump still consolidates that GOP base, and the more rivals there are prospectively running into theoretical primary, that's still quite a while away, the more rivals there are, the harder it is for any single one of them to consolidate the anti-Trump base.

And so for Donald Trump, who wants the attention around, who wants this conversation that we're having right now, once the conversation to be about him, there's no reason not to take all the steps to show that you're seriously moving towards building toward that announcement.

NOBLES: Yes. Margaret brings up a great point, Jeff. It's one thing to talk about this, theoretically. It's another thing to talk about it if Trump is actually a candidate, would this potentially freeze some of his Republican challengers, especially someone like DeSantis, who is up for reelection in 2022 and probably doesn't want to anger the Trump base?

MASON: I think it would freeze some I don't think it would freeze DeSantis. I think it's as Margaret was saying DeSantis is probably President Trump -- former President Trump's biggest threat on the right.

And I think if you're Ron DeSantis -- yes. You -- could -- you would probably certainly prefer that he not jump into the race. But even if he does, I think DeSantis has made pretty clear that he still plans to run as well in 2024.

What that will do to some of the others in that mix? I think it depends on where they're coming from and to what extent they're in the Trump orbit.

Certainly, some of former President Trump's close allies have said they won't jump into the race if he does. So you probably wouldn't see Mike Pompeo run if President Trump runs. Nikki Haley, I think is a question mark.

She said -- I believe she said at one point she would not run if he did but she has changed her mind on things like that before and said very recently, if there was space for her in the race then she would run.

So and I think Mike Pence we've already seen, former Vice President Pence, making moves to prepare for a potential run. So, I think it would freeze to get back to your initial question, Ryan. I think it would freeze some people but I don't think it would freeze everyone.

NOBLES: All right. You two don't go anywhere. We have a lot more to talk about. Margaret Talev, and Jeff Mason, stay with us because coming up, the Biden administration seems to be consumed with problems.

And they keep on coming inflation, rising gas prices, to the Supreme Court's seismic shift on abortion rights. Can President Biden fix all the challenges he's facing? We'll talk more when we come back.

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NOBLES: Well, the problems do just keep stacking up for President Biden.

As the president settles back in the White House after meeting with allies in Europe this week, he's faced with a host of problems here at home.

Surging inflation, surging gas prices, and the fallout from the Supreme Court's decision to overturn Roe v. Wade. And that is just to name a few.

There's also the president's base that is growing even more frustrated by a lack of action on the issues he campaigned upon, including voting rights and the environment.

Against that backdrop, a new poll said that a whopping 85 percent of Americans say things in this country are heading in the wrong direction. That is up from 68 percent just back in March.

So let's talk more about this with our panel. CNN political analyst and managing editor at "Axios," Margaret Talev, and the White House correspondent for Reuters, Jeff Mason.

So, Margaret, let a start with you.

Do you think it is possible for the president to overcome these challenges when we're just a little more than four months away from the November midterm elections?

TALEV: Well, Joe Biden is glad he's not actually on the ballot.

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TALEV: It would be a very precarious spot for him if he were up for re-election in 2022.

But he is having a negative impact, according to the polling, of a potential real drag on Democratic incumbents standing for reelection.

The issue or issues that stand to help him the most are the abortion rights argument, the ability potentially to rally centrists and central left voters around the Democrat Party with Biden at the helm of it.

And potentially the gun control message, even though that has been offset by the bipartisan compromise in the Senate. But for Democrats, for some Democrats in really tough races, in swing states like potentially Arizona, I think we'll be looking at a different trend. To what extent do they step aside with Biden and partly run and say they disagree with him at certain times?

So he's not in a strong position heading into the primaries at all.

NOBLES: Jeff, let's talk about Sean Patrick Maloney said. He's the chair of the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee. It is their job to try to hold onto the House majority this fall.

He told "Politico" this week that Democrats will beat Republicans, quote, "over the head with the term MAGA."

You know, I seem to remember an election that just took place in Virginia last year where Terry McAuliffe tried to hard to hang Donald Trump around Glenn Youngkin and he was able to get around that.

How does this work? Can they continue to just apply Donald Trump and the term MAGA to Republicans in at-risk districts and make it work or do they have to do something different than that?

MASON: Well, you are absolutely right to cite that example. It did not work out well for the Dems in that case.

I do also remember President Biden, in the last few months, starting to use the term MAGA, MAGA, MAGA or ultra MAGA.

And they're doing that because we've seen polling that suggests that, in suburban America, in some of the states where there are important women voters, that they don't like that. That they don't like that term. And so I think the Democrats have tried to take advantage of that.

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But the flip side to that and I think you're getting at that with your question is it could also generate enthusiasm from those MAGA voters and from the right and from Republicans voters, who are supporters of President Trump.

So it's a risky strategy. I think the strategy behind it, again, they think it will help them but it could backfire.

NOBLES: Of course, if Donald Trump is a candidate, that also complicates it for and against Democrats depending on how that plays out.

But, Margaret, we talk about the Republicans, Independent voters, but does Joe Biden have a problem with his own base, with Democrats that are frustrated that the Biden White House has not been able to lead and kind of deliver on some of the promises that they made?

You know, voters don't understand the filibuster. They don't understand when the voting margins in the Congress, they just -- they know that Democrats have control of both the Congress and the White House.

Are they expecting more out of this administration? And could they respond by just not showing up in the fall?

TALEV: That is certainly a concern. I think people do say, look, we hear you talking about the filibuster but we don't care. You're in charge. You said you would do this. Why can't you do anything?

There's another poll that a lot of people are watching, a Harris poll in conjunction with Harvard, and what they poll showed is that voters, overall, like six in 10 don't think that Trump should run again and seven in 10 don't think that Biden should run again.

There's a difference. When you look at Republicans only, they are a lot more supportive of Trump. But when you look at Democrats, Biden has really lost a lot of support for reelection within his own party.

And that is a concern both ahead of the midterms. And it is a concern as the White House tries to keep a message around 2024 that says the president is running for a second term. The number shows some softness and potential problems there.

NOBLES: And, Jeff, the president keeps saying over and over again, I'm definitely running, I'm definitely running, but nobody seems to believe him. Do you think he's going to be the Democratic nominee in 2024?

MASON: What I could tell you, Ryan, is what people have told me, and that is that the people around him say he has every intention of running. You heard the vice president say that as recently as well.

But I do think the pressure from Democrats and from left that keeps growing, and the polling that Margaret rightly suggests, is a concern.

We don't need to hear a definitive answer. And when I say "we," I mean Washington. And the other candidates don't necessarily need to hear until early next year.

But at some point he will have to file. And when he does that, then it will be a sign of seriousness of that those promises. If he doesn't, then it will give the signal for other Democrats who would like to throw their hats in they could do so.

NOBLES: It is kind of funny to think about it. We could have a 2024 that is just a repeat of Trump versus Biden, or we could have a 2024 which is a crazy wide-open field on both sides of both the Republican and the Democratic parties.

Who knows how it is going to end up? There's a lot that we still need to learn before then.

Margaret and Jeff, thank you for being here on the holiday weekend. Terrific insight, as always.

And a new discovery sparks calls from for justice from the family of Emmett Till. An unserved arrest warrant for the woman who accused Till of making advances nearly 70 years was found in a court basement. His family is now calling for her arrest. More on that next.

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NOBLES: Nearly 70 years after the murder of 14-year-old Emmett Till, an unserved arrest warrant was discovered in a court basement and is renewing calls for justice.

Till was brutally murdered after a white woman accused the black teen of making advances toward her. His death helped spur the civil rights movement across the country.

His family is now hoping the discovery of this unserved arrest warrant for his accuser, who is still alive today, will lead to her arrest.

CNN's Ryan Young has more.

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PAGE PATE, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: There was probable cause for an arrest back then and nobody did anything about it.

RYAN YOUNG, CNN NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): After nearly 70 years, a stunning find unearthed in a Mississippi courthouse is bringing hope to the family of Emmitt Till that justice may finally be served.

PATE: I can understand how difficult this may be for the family to have gone through this whole process and then now find what may be a smoking gun.

YOUNG: Last week, an arrest warrant was discovered by Till family members inside of a dusty box in a county courthouse, dated August 29th, 1955.

The warrant charged J.W. Milam, Roy Bryant and Bryant's then-wife, Carolyn Bryant, with kidnapping African-American teen, Emmett Till, and ordered their arrest.

Both men on the warrant were charged and eventually acquitted by an all-white jury, although they later admitted to the murder in a magazine article. Both men died decades later.

But Bryant's widow, now Carolyn Bryant Donham, was never charged. And now in her 80s, Till's family is hopeful the discovery of the warrant will lead to her arrest and justice, something they've long pushed for.

JOSHUA HARRIS-TILL, EMMETT TILL'S COUSIN: Does she still think of how her actions directly led to the most egregious racism and aggression towards a child?

YOUNG: Till's murder in 1955 is believed to be a catalyst for the civil rights movement in America.

It happened when the 14-year-old Chicago teen was visiting relatives in Mississippi.

And 20-year-old Carolyn Bryant falsely accused Till of making unwanted advances on her in a grocery store. Just four days later, her husband and his half-brother abducted Till from his uncle's home.

SIMEON WRIGHT, EMMETT TILL'S COUSIN: I woke up, I saw two white men standing at the foot of my bed. One had a gun and a flashlight in hand. And he made Emmitt get up and put his clothes on.

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YOUNG: According to Till's cousin, the men took Till outside to a car where a woman was waiting.

WRIGHT: They ask and say, is this the right boy?

YOUNG: The two men beat and tortured Till before shooting him in the head and tossing his body into a river.

Till's body was returned to Chicago disfigured beyond recognition. But his mother insisted on an open casket at his funeral, wanting the world to know what happened to her son.

Investigators charged both men with Till's murder. Months after their acquittal, both men told "Look Magazine" that they actually did kill Till but double jeopardy laws prevented them from being tried again.

In 2004, the Justice Department reopened the case, even exhuming Till's body. But a grand jury declined to indict Donham and the case was closed in 2007.

In 2017, "Vanity Fair" published an article in which an author claimed he asked Donham about Till's alleged advances. He said she replied, quote, "That part is not true." Adding, "Nothing that boy did could ever justify what happened to him."

DR. JAY CARTHAN, EMMETT TILL'S COUSIN: All along, we knew she was lying about what Emmitt had said. Emmitt never threated her. He never grabbed her hand. None of that never happened.

YOUNG: In 2018, the Department of Justice reopened a probe into Till's murder but the agency's Civil Rights Division concluded it could not prove Donham had lied. And investigators say she denied that she had recanted her testimony.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: What we want his accountability.

CNN has reached out to Donham but has not heard back.

Now the question remains, could Donham, who now lives in North Carolina, finally be arrested and charged?

PATE: I don't think they're going to arrest this woman and put her on a bus, given her age and the age of this arrest warrant.

I find it unlikely that both Mississippi and North Carolina would agree to put her on a bus and bring her back to a jail in Mississippi without a new judge passing on this issue before that.

YOUNG (on camera): And the fight for justice for this family hasn't stopped since 1955. They've been trying since that very moment to get some sort of justice for Emmett Till.

Now this is another part that they discovered on their own inside of that courthouse in the basement. They're hoping for change. They're hoping for justice to finally be served.

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NOBLES: Ryan Young, thank you for that report.

One of the most coveted professional sports trophies ending up in the wrong hands. What did one Denver couple do after the Stanley Cup showed up at their door. That story is next.

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NOBLES: This just in. "Uvalde Leader News" reports embattled Uvalde school district police chief, Pete Arredondo, has resigned from his seat on the Uvalde city council.

Now Arredondo has faced intense scrutiny over his handling of the Robb Elementary School massacre that left 21 people, including 19 children, dead.

In a statement, Arredondo says, "The mayor, the city council, and the city staff must continue to move forward without distractions. I feel that this is the best decision for Uvalde."

Take a look at this incredible new video.

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NOBLES: You are looking at a helicopter rescue from a vessel that broke in half and sank in the South China Sea.

The Hong Kong government flying service says that a 30-person crew abandoned ship after the engineering vessel got caught in a typhoon about 180 miles southwest of Hong Kong.

Four helicopters and two fixed-wing aircraft were deployed to the scene. Three crew members were rescued but the fate of the remaining 27 remains unclear as harsh weather conditions complicated the search.

When a mysterious SUV arrived at a couple's Denver home, they had no idea that hockey's biggest trophy was now sitting in their driveway.

The Stanley Cup, which was supposed to go to the Colorado Avalanche's team captain mistakenly ended up at the wrong address.

CNN's Jeanne Moos has more.

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JEANNE MOOS, CNN NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): The Colorado Avalanche may be champions, but their Stanley Cup trophy ended up being greeted by a barking dog --

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MOOS: -- delivered to the wrong address.

KIT KARBLER, RECEIVED STANLEY CUP BY MISTAKE: When I opened it, I was like, whoa.

MOOS: Long-time married couple, Kit Karbler and Dmitri Rudanko, weren't expecting any deliveries when an SUV backed into their driveway the other day and Dmitri spied a case that looked familiar.

So he joked --

DMITRI RUDANKO, RECEIVED STANLEY CUP BY MISTAKE: Was it the Stanley Cup?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes.

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RUDANKO: Was that the Stanley Cup? And he said yes.

MOOS: "He" being one of the two delivery men.

KARBLER: I said, well, can I see it? Can I touch it? He said, sure. So the first thing I did was feel the rim.

MOOS: The cup was supposed to be going to the team's captain --

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MOOS: -- but his home address was only one digit off from Kit and Dmitri's.

(on camera): Are you guys hockey fans?

RUDANKO: We are now.

KARBLER: We are now.

MOOS: The mix up was quickly sorted out. Kit only had time to snap this photo. If only he had longer.

KARBLER: I could have had the dog drink out of it.

MOOS: The players got to kiss and flaunt the trophy.

As Kit immediately raved in a text --

KARBLER: "I got to touch it, exclamation point."

MOOS: Sounds like one of those knock-knock jokes.

(on camera): Knock, knock.

KARBLER: Who's there?

MOOS: Stanley.

KARBLER: Stanley who?

MOOS: Cup.

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MOOS (voice-over): Their cup runneth over. Finding the Stanley Cup at the door.

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KARBLER: That's crazy.

MOOS: Jeanne Moos, CNN, New York.

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NOBLES: Jeanne Moos, thank you.

Of course, every player gets 24 hours with the Stanley Cup. So if they just rolled with it, maybe they would have had it for a full day.

Thank you so much for joining me today. I'm Ryan Nobles, in for Fredericka Whitfield.

CNN NEWSROOM will continue with Jim Acosta after a quick break. Have a happy Fourth of July.

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