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Secret Service Staffer Back Up Part Of Explosive Testimony; Uvalde School District Police Chief Resigns From City Council; July 4 Weekend May See Most Air Passengers Since Pre-Pandemic; Russian Forces Strike Snake Island After Withdrawal; Akron Officials To Release Bodycam Footage Sunday From Deadly Police-Involved Shooting; Fertility Doctors Fear Murder Charges Amid Pos-Roe Bans; Controversial Saudi- Backed Golf Event Wrapping Up In Oregon. Aired 6-7p ET

Aired July 02, 2022 - 18:00   ET

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DONALD TRUMP, FORMER PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: To the Capitol --

PHIL MATTINGLY, CNN HOST: A window into a President unhinged on January 6 now backed by CNN sources inside Trump's own security detail.

CASSIDY HUTCHINSON, FORMER WHITE HOUSE AIDE: The President reached up towards the front of the vehicle to grab at the steering wheel.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: That story was circulating among the Secret Service and it is in line with what Cassidy Hutchinson testified to.

MATTINGLY: The campaign for accountability continues. Within a month after the mass shooting in Uvalde, School District Police Chief Pete Arredondo resigns from the City Council.

Meantime, it's a hectic holiday travel weekend as airlines struggle to meet post pandemic demand.

CAPT. JASON AMBROSI, CHAIR DELTA PILOTS UNION: We're scheduling more flights than we have people to fly them.

MATTINGLY: Despite soaring gas prices, a record number are hitting the roads.

The legal battle over abortion is beginning to take shape state by state.

JOE BIDEN (D), PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: This is not over.

MATTINGLY: The President warns the Republican Congress would ban abortions nationwide.

BIDEN: This is going to go one way or the other after November.

MATTINGLY: I'm Phil Mattingly in Washington and you are in the CNN NEWSROOM. And we begin with new information appearing to corroborate some of the

stunning details from the January 6 Committee testimony we heard just this week.

Now, former Mark Meadows aide, Cassidy Hutchinson said then President Trump boiled over when a security detail refused to take him to the Capitol that day.

Now, ultimately, Trump was stopped from joining the throng of protesters that turned into violent rioters. Sources in the Secret Service tells CNN versions of that story have been circulated inside the agency over the course of the past year.

CNN's Katelyn Polantz has more.

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KATELYN POLANTZ, CNN SENIOR CRIME AND JUSTICE REPORTER: We are almost a week out from this bombshell testimony that Cassidy Hutchinson delivered on Capitol Hill about Donald Trump on January 6, and the bottom line here is that testimony is holding up.

So, I want to walk through how this played out over the past week. So Hutchinson testified in one of the instances that she spoke about that a White House Deputy Chief of Staff named Tony Ornato told her that on January 6, Donald Trump was so irate about not being able to go to Capitol Hill with his supporters whom he knew could be violent were armed, that he grabbed at the steering wheel inside the Presidential SUV and lunged at a Secret Service agent there.

So that is what Hutchinson says she was told. She said this under oath. And when she was testifying this past week, she also said that she learned this story in front of the agent who was lunged at and that he didn't correct it. He even was a little bit discombobulated at the time because of this episode with Trump.

After her testimony, there was a bit of this that was disputed not the part about Donald Trump wanting to go to Capitol Hill and being angry that he couldn't, but there was a Secret Service official who denied that Trump had lunged in the SUV, and that Tony Ornato had told Cassidy Hutchinson this story, and there has been an effort to discredit her, including by Donald Trump himself, following her testimony.

But now, we have two Secret Service sources telling my colleague, Noah Gray, that this story that Cassidy Hutchinson recounted, it indeed was a story circulating among the Secret Service after January 6, that Trump was so angry about not being able to go to the Capitol, that he was parading the Secret Service agents protecting him and he did lunge over the seat.

So, here we have this corroboration that this story was out there. And Cassidy Hutchinson is going on Capitol Hill, explaining that under oath to the House Select Committee.

Katelyn Polantz, CNN, Washington. (END VIDEOTAPE)

MATTINGLY: Thanks to Katelyn for that.

Now, it's fair to say the political world is definitely still spinning after former White House aide, Cassidy Hutchinson's surprise testimony this past week and so apparently is illegal.

Former Federal prosecutor, Renato Mariotti joins us now, and Renato welcome.

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MATTINGLY: I want to read a couple lines from an op-ed that you wrote in POLITICO because, one, it was measured, but two, these couple of sentences were really important in that piece. It starts with, "Anyone who has paid attention during Donald Trump's presidency knows that 'explosive' revelations don't always mean that legal consequences will follow. But Cassidy Hutchinson's testimony Tuesday actually move the ball forward significantly toward a potential criminal prosecution of the former President."

So I want to start with the second line of that passage first. What charges, as you listen to Cassidy Hutchinson, as you're looking at this, as a former prosecutor, which charges do you think the former President is actually most vulnerable to at this point, based on that testimony?

RENATO MARIOTTI, FORMER FEDERAL PROSECUTOR: Well, I really think an incitement offense is actually the most, you know, the easiest to charge and the most plausible right now. You know, there is a statute that straightforward that says that it's a Federal offense to incite a riot, for example.

Well, you know, the former President was there speaking. You know, you all saw obviously, many of the people in the crowd ended up attacking the Capitol shortly thereafter.

The reason that there was a lot of skepticism by many legal observers, including myself that a charge would result was because there was a bar set by the First Amendment that said that, essentially, unless the former President was trying to incite imminent, lawless action, that that will be politically protected speech.

And I really thought that Miss Hutchinson's statement regarding the metal detectors, about how there were these individuals armed in the audience said Secret Service said we can't let them through the metal detectors, and the former President was upset, really angry and said, let them through, they don't want to hurt me, and then said that they're going to be marching to the Capitol.

The implication being, of course, that they may be hurting somebody else there. I thought that that alone, really carried the ball quite a bit for you know, far down the field for a potential prosecution.

MATTINGLY: Okay, so that's the outline there, but I do want to get to the first line here, because this is really important, given kind of the course of the last five plus years, a lot of people are exhausted by the repeated "explosive revelations" about the former President, that never seem to lead to anything, don't ever seem to certainly lead to any criminal investigations, don't seem to lead to the former President being held to account.

But then, Cassidy Hutchinson said this under oath.

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CASSIDY HUTCHINSON, FORMER WHITE HOUSE AIDE: I was in the vicinity of a conversation where I overheard the President say something to the effect of, I don't effing care that they have weapons. They're not here to hurt me. Take the effing mags away.

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MATTINGLY: That's exactly what you were just talking about here, and so I want you to flesh this out a little bit in terms of intent in what that might mean going forward, those words themselves, are they alone enough to drive something? Do they lead the Committee or perhaps prosecutors looking into this in a direction along those lines? How does this end up playing

MARIOTTI: Sure. I think that's a game changer, Phil, because when you're looking at other types of charges, let's say, you know, we hear a lot of times being about these very substantial, wide ranging crimes, you know, seditious conspiracy, well, you know, proving up some criminal agreement between Trump and the people who are storming the Capitol, you know, that can be complicated trying to show his state of mind.

Here, this really, I think, captures the state of mind that Trump had when he was making that speech, and the normal defense would be, hey, I was giving politically protected speech. I am the President of the United States. I'm just making political statements. I don't -- I'm shocked that anybody would go attack the Capitol, I wanted them to act peacefully.

But when he knows that these folks are dangerous, that they are potentially a danger to himself, and the Secret Service would be concerned about that and that it suggests that he knows that they're attacking elsewhere, I think that's powerful.

And you mentioned a moment ago, we heard that reporting from Kate Polantz about that incident in the in the vehicle about how he was very angry and wanted to go to the Capitol. I think that moves the ball forward as well, because what it shows is that he approved regardless whether he lunged or not, it shows that he approved of what the people were doing at the Capitol. He wanted to be there. He wanted to be part of what they were doing, even when he knew that there was an attack and the Secret Service thought it was unsafe, you know that that was something he approved of.

So I really think that is much more straightforward than trying to prove a more wide ranging criminal charge against the former President.

MATTINGLY: One thing I do want to ask you about before I let you go, at the very end of the hearing, Liz Cheney, the Congresswoman from Wyoming, the Vice Chair of the Committee, kind of put out some breadcrumbs, quite a tease, if you will, for what's coming next for the Committee related to potential witness tampering.

When you saw what was presented with the precursor that there's apparently going to be more presented in the future, we don't know what exactly that is, witness tampering is a Federal crime. Do you feel like that is A., a direction this Committee is trying to go towards, and B., what you saw so far, do you think it has the makings of something like that?

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MARIOTTI: Well, I thought that what they were trying to do, Phil, was put a marker down and basically say, "Don't do any more of this. We are watching you." And I think that was successful. They've certainly generated a lot of attention on this.

I do think that the way that that was done was deliberately meant to try to avoid liability by going through an intermediary. A personal conversation, an oral conversation with the person who then sent a text to her that was somewhat vague.

I think the defense there that they're going to say is that they were just trying to get her to not, you know, characterize her testimony or the facts in a way that would help Republicans or excuse me, help Democrats against Republicans. I think that a lot more would be needed.

But obviously, it's an avenue that the Committee is looking at, and, frankly, on its face, it looks like witness tampering, not -- you know, and I think, you know, the Committee has the ability, and they've shown that they are potentially going to be getting evidence that will add to the evidence that we've already seen.

MATTINGLY: Yes, a strategic effort to try and nudge others towards testimony seem to be just as important as perhaps any legal implications there.

Renato Mariotti, thanks so much for your time. Appreciate it.

MARIOTTI: Thank you.

MATTINGLY: All right, now, those damaging revelations might just drive Donald Trump to declare another run at the White House as CNN's Gabby Orr reports, it's all about timing.

GABBY ORR, CNN REPORTER: Phil, former President Donald Trump has spent the last few months weighing the best time for him to announce a third presidential campaign, and our sources tell us that he is leaning towards sooner rather than later.

And when I say soon, I mean, potentially this month. Trump's allies have told my colleagues and me that he is closer than

ever to taking that step, and he has put his aides and advisers on notice that he may want to launch a campaign before the end of July.

Now, Trump had previously considered waiting until after the midterms to toss his hat into the 2024 primary, but there are three reasons that timeline has been pushed up over the past week.

For starters, he wants to divert attention away from the January 6 Committee. Its recent public hearings and its bombshell revelations, which some of his allies tell us have been more damaging than they anticipated. As one source put it, "He knows that if he announces a run for President, he will be center stage again."

Trump also wants to put his potential Republican rivals on notice by beating them to the punch with an early 2024 announcement, and there is no one that applies to it more than Florida Governor Ron DeSantis, who would likely be Trump's top rival in a Republican primary.

And third, Trump wants to capitalize on this moment where President Biden's approval ratings have reached new lows and Americans are concerned about the current direction of the country. Of course, voters would also likely have serious concerns about Donald Trump's personality and his prior behavior while in office, but he seems to think that economic concerns will triumph and drive a desire for change -- Phil.

MATTINGLY: Thank you, Gabby Orr for that.

Moving on, new tonight. Embattled Uvalde School Police Chief Pete Arredondo has resigned from his separate position on the City Council. Arredondo has been under fire for the "abject failure" of the police response to the Robb Elementary School shooting. That shooting left 19 children and two teachers dead.

Texas Public Safety Director blamed Arredondo.

Zach Despart from "The Texas Tribune" joins me now, and Zach, you've been all over the story. You've covered kind of every iteration of it, including the most extensive interview with Arredondo.

He wrote this in his resignation letter: "It is in the best interest of the community to step down as a member of the City Council to minimize further distractions." You know, the city says that the Arredondo resignation is "the right thing to do." And it has now received that resignation.

How is the community reacting to this news so far?

ZACH DESPART, "THE TEXAS TRIBUNE" POLITICS REPORTER: Well, credit first of all to the "Uvalde Leader News," the local paper to first report the news of this.

From our conversations with residents of Uvalde the past month really since the shooting, many of them had expressed disappointment in Arredondo's conduct during the shooting. They had expressed disappointment that the city has not been forthcoming and releasing records about what happened.

So many of them today were grateful that finally Chief Arredondo had stepped down from his position on the City Council. Of course, many of them also want him to step down from his actual full time job, which is the Police Chief of the school's police department.

MATTINGLY: Now, one of the things, look, I think we all -- everybody read the interview that you co-bylined in "The Texas Tribune," extensive, lengthy interview in early June.

I'm interested with what he said to "The Texas Tribune" versus what you've seen or what you've read about out, what you've reported on in terms of the facts of the case, how much did it align and where are their kind of divergences?

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DESPART: Yes. That's a great question. Myself and my colleague, James Barragan talked extensively with Chief Arredondo in his only wide- ranging interview about this shooting, this was in the beginning of June. He said that he wanted to speak with us, in part because he wanted to refute the narrative by the State Police that he was incompetent, that he was indecisive, that he didn't appropriately lead the response to the shooting.

So a couple key things have not held up based on what he had told us. He had told us that the main obstacle that he faced when he was one of the first officers to respond to the school was that the doors to the classroom where the gunman was were locked. He said that he determined one of the doors was locked. He said other officers determined the other door was locked.

The State Police have since said that those doors are not designed to lock from the inside and those in fact, were not locked. There was no obstacle according to the State Police that prevented police once they arrived to quickly confront the gunman.

The head of the State Police told a State Legislative Committee that police could have confronted the shooter within three minutes of arriving on scene, instead, because Arredondo said the doors were locked, they spent at least 40 minutes looking for a key to open those doors that ultimately they did not need.

MATTINGLY: Yes. My sense is that that interview and the story that you guys wrote is going to be referenced an awful lot in the weeks and months ahead as the investigations continue on this.

Zach Despart, thanks so much for taking the time. Really appreciate it.

DESPART: Thank you.

MATTINGLY: All right, coming up next, a hectic holiday travel weekend, as strapped airlines struggle to meet post-pandemic demand.

Meantime, Russia is accused of hitting Snake Island with phosphorus weapons, as a beat to retreat from a crucial Black Sea outpost.

And IVF doctors share their fears after that shocking abortion rights ruling by the Supreme Court.

You're in the CNN NEWSROOM.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Whether they can do IVF or whether someone will regulate whether they can get their embryos, basically doctors could be charged with murder.

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MATTINGLY: Millions of Americans are on the road or at the airport this holiday weekend. AAA expects almost 48 million to travel at least 50 miles over the next several days, three and a half million by plane, 42 million by car.

People driving to the beach or the mountains or anywhere in between will pay near record high prices for gas. The regular right now averaging about $4.82 per gallon according to AAA. Add on inflation, we are seeing gas prices roughly 50 percent higher than this time last year. It's making some people rethink their holiday plans.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It is getting crazy. My car used to be $40.00 to fill up, now, it is $69.45. I'm over it.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I'm just staying home this holiday, yes.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Do the gas prices play into that?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Well, I guess the entire economy play into that. Yes.

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MATTINGLY: But here's the thing, navigating through the airport isn't actually any easier at this point as more passengers get on a plane. They are seeing a lot fewer airline and airport workers, especially pilots.

The flight tracking website FlightAware says there have been hundreds of cancellations each day since Wednesday. Today, there have been more than 600 and about 4,000 delays.

And also this week, Delta pilots hit the picket lines. They are pushing for more pay and say they're exhausted.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) AMBROSI: It's been over a year now where we've been pressed to the

limit of flying as much as they possibly can, more time away from their families, out there trying to get our passengers to their destinations.

And it's just -- it just can't be sustained at this level. The pilots are getting fatigued, quite honestly. They are making the tough safety call at times to say, hey, I'm putting my hand in the air I'm tired.

No pilot wants to do that. No pilot wants to strand their passengers or fellow crew members and when they want to get where they're going. But it is a safety issue.

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MATTINGLY: A convergence of a lot of factors that I want to check in with CNN's Camila Bernal. She's in Los Angeles at LAX and Camila, what are you seeing right now given all of these things that seem to be causing complications around the country?

CAMILA BERNAL, CNN NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Hey, Phil. Well, thankfully, things have been relatively calm throughout the day here at LAX. But if you take a look behind me, you will see lines and long lines and it's part of the reason why these passengers are being told to expect longer wait times when they're coming in to check in, to check in their bag or when they're going through security, and it's because a lot of people are traveling this weekend.

In fact, TSA is saying they screened more than 2.49 million people on Friday. That's the highest number that they've seen since February of 2020. So the TSA spokesperson saying that this is going back to pre- pandemic checkpoint volumes.

And the problem is that the airlines just cannot keep up with the influx of passengers. They say there are a lot of staffing shortages. They cannot hire the people that they need to hire, and they say, that leads to some of those flight cancellations and delays.

The Delta Pilots Union saying they share the frustration with the passengers when they see those flights canceled or delayed. As you mentioned there, they are negotiating their contract at the moment and they are protesting how slow this entire process is going. They are again, demanding better pay, retirement, job protections.

But in general, as you mentioned, they say they are tired and frustrated, but airlines are saying look, it's not just pilots. It's also shortages in things like air traffic controllers. So, when you add all of these things up, you realize that this is going to be a problem not just this weekend when people are traveling for this Fourth of July holiday, but really for the entire summer.

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BERNAL: So what the message is, is for passengers to prepare for those headaches in the coming months -- Phil. MATTINGLY: Prepare for the headaches. I'm a nervous traveler. I'm

always early, but now I feel like I need to be a lot earlier. Camila Bernal, thank you so much from LAX.

And joining us now is Mary Schiavo. She's a CNN transportation analyst, and was the Inspector General of the Transportation Department.

Mary, look, we knew this was going to be a heavy travel weekend. Why do airlines right now appear to be so overwhelmed?

MARY SCHIAVO, CNN AVIATION ANALYST: Well, they're so overwhelmed, because let's face it, the pilot shortage is real and the other aviation worker shortage is real, everything from people who handle the bags and work in the services in the airport.

But what is not real is that the airlines and others saying, oh, this was all surprise, no one saw this coming. Well, of course they did. Now, if folks will remember back a couple of years during COVID, airlines and aviation industries, like many other businesses got COVID pay protection payments.

And part of that was they were not supposed to lay people off. They got $54 billion. Well, there was a lapse in that law. Congress let it lapse for a couple of weeks. And guess what happened? The people, the airlines, and other aviation industries laid people off.

And so now, when people are exercising their rights to travel, you know about the world, saying that, oh, there's a shortage. And what can we do? Well, this was exactly why they shouldn't have laid people off.

But it's not as simple as some businesses because once a pilot is out of the flight deck, there is an issue of currency, there's an issue of being current on the training, on the right certificates, on the medicals, et cetera. And so a pilot out of the workforce can't just step right back in like you'd expect.

And also, there aren't the pilots in the pipeline. There are many reasons for that. But over history, it was a shortage of benefits, stability in the industry, airlines laid workers and pilots off left and right whenever the economy switched around, and so they did not see it as a stable environment, so they took other jobs and that's why we're in this perfect storm.

Speaking of storms, the airlines are very lucky that the weather did not turn out to be as bad as everyone thought it would be this weekend. I mean, I'm out traveling this weekend, too. Had we put additional bad weather on top of this system, it would have been a total meltdown and that is a safety issue, the pilots are right.

MATTINGLY: Yes, no question about it. It could have been worse. Not much necessarily solving the wounds for those who are having flight cancels, but you hit on a really key issue here, and this is where I have limited patience for kind of what we're seeing right now. Airlines did receive $54 billion in Federal COVID aid, again, to help

protect jobs from a business cycle perspective, I understand businesses across the country, across the world are going through this right now. There's never been a post-pandemic global economy like this before. I'm not saying it's easy, but given what you're saying about how difficult it is to train up over time, how expensive it is for pilots, I guess I'm a little bit confused how you don't plan for a post-pandemic timeline, if you're the airlines, given the fact the Federal government gave you 50 billion plus dollars?

SCHIAVO: That's right. Well, there is little excuse for that because pilots, as now the whole world knows are a hugely valuable commodity and to lay them off and just assume oh, we'll figure out what to do down the pike.

Now, there is one airline, I won't mention the name that claims they did not lay pilots off, but so now we have a free for all and pay war is going on. Some airlines are raising pay 20 percent and they are competing with private industry, because private industry has said enough is enough, and those that can afford their own private planes and private jets are now taking some of the cream of the crop out of the aviation system and paying them more in private industry.

And let's not forget, let's have a word for the ladies because in the aviation world, less than 10 percent of the flight deck are filled with women pilots, about seven percent and they really don't make up for the workforce, and you're not going to have the workers you need if you exclude half the workforce. And it's been difficult for women to get equal footing in the flight deck.

And maybe, it's time for airlines to do ab initio training, train them right from the start, because you know, if you're leaving out half of the workforce, you might have a shortage of workers.

MATTINGLY: Yes, it seems like that and many other ideas need to be brought to the table at this point.

Mary Schiavo, you said you're traveling. Good luck. Good luck to all travelers this weekend. Thanks so much as always.

SCHIAVO: Thank you.

MATTINGLY: One bit of good news. You don't have to go anywhere to enjoy the Fourth of July. You can stay right here with CNN for coast- to-coast fireworks and incredible music from some of the biggest stars.

Celebrate the "Fourth in America" live this Monday at 7:00 PM Eastern.

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You're in the CNN NEWSROOM. Now, Russia targets a key island in the Black Sea just days after withdrawing its forces. We have the latest.

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MATTINGLY: A symbol of Ukrainian defiance, Snake Island is now back in Ukrainian control. You'll remember one of the opening salvos of the war was Ukrainian troops famously telling Russian invaders to go eff themselves. The Russians didn't and ended up taking control of the strategic island. But this week its forces left, CNN Scott McLean picks up the story.

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SCOTT MCLEAN, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Well, Snake Island has surely played an outsized role in this war ever since the very first day when Ukrainian troops stationed on this very small outpost in the Black Sea refused to surrender it to a Russian warship just off the coast.

It is militarily important because it has given the Russians a launch pad very close to the Odesa region, a region that they have not been able to reach by land and it is economically important because whoever controls that island - well, they also control the shipping lanes in that area.

The Russians claim that they vacated the island as a goodwill gesture to the Ukrainians so that goodwill did not last long with this most recent batch of airstrikes. The Ukrainians claimed that the Russians struck the island using phosphorus bombs dropped from planes.

We haven't been able to verify that claim but if it's true, it is significant because phosphorus burns extremely bright and extremely hot as well. It can burn right through human flesh. The Ukrainians are trying to clear that island of mines or potential booby traps before setting up a more permanent outpost there. Their official explanation for these Russian strikes is they believe that the Russians were trying to clear the island of their remaining equipment though the Ukrainians say that they failed to do even that. Scott McLean, CNN, Kyiv.

MATTINGLY: Thanks, Scott, for that report.

And still to come, an attorney for the family of a man shot and killed by police has seen body cam video of the incident. He says it shows a 'indescribable event'. The live report coming up next on CNN Newsroom.

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MATTINGLY: Several Akron, Ohio police officers have been placed on administrative leave after the shooting death of Jayland Walker. Now, officials are planning to release body cam footage tomorrow and the city has already canceled some Fourth of July festivities saying it's not the time for celebration. CNN's Polo Sandoval is Akron for us. And Polo, the family has already seen some of this footage that will be released tomorrow. What are they saying about it?

POLO SANDOVAL, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Yes. So far, it's been two of the attorneys representing the family and a close family friend who's had an opportunity to see that video. And one of those attorneys describing what they saw as simply indescribable and certainly that is feeling the concerns for many city leaders here that are bracing for the possibility of large scale demonstrations.

All day we have seen peaceful demonstrations taken to the streets, people demanding answers. That is because we still don't have a clear indication as to what, if anything, the Jayland Walker do to provoke this hail of gunfire from police officers on Monday that ended his life.

What we know According to investigators here in Akron is at the start it is an attempt to traffic stop and that's when the driver of that vehicle refused to stop according to police. Walker was behind the wheel and at one point According to investigators, officers reported there was a firearm discharge from inside the car that was being driven by Walker and quickly that vehicle pursuit then turned to a foot pursuit and that is when the family's attorneys are saying he was unarmed.

He was running away with - from those officers when those police officers about eight of them according to the family attorney opened fire. This is what Bobby DiCello, who's representing that family told me just a few minutes ago.

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BOBBY DICELLO, FAMILY ATTORNEY: The use of guns or the presence of guns does not give to an officer that carte blanche to just shoot until the guy stops moving or shoot until he runs - while he's running away. That is not how it works. You can't drop him and seize his body with bullets.

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SANDOVAL: DiCello there, a former prosecutor who is now assisting the family with their case here. But you're really hearing sort of the crux of his argument and what they expect to present in the coming days or weeks perhaps. But we do know again tomorrow, a portion of that body camera video is expected to be released publicly and that's what's feeling concerns right now about how the community could potentially respond to what they saw.

I also had an opportunity to speak a short while ago to Pastor Robert DeJournett who's not only the head of a local congregation here in Akron but also a close family friend. And he says that the Walker's hope that this will now serve to provide a lasting legacy of their son of institutional change, perhaps a review of training.

The officers I should mention, those roughly eight officers according to what I'm hearing from folks here on the ground, remain on administrative leave pending the outcome of the investigation as the city continues to prepare for that release of that footage tomorrow afternoon, Phil.

MATTINGLY: Yes. All eyes will be on Akron. As Polo reports peaceful thus far. Let's hope it stays that way. Polo Sandoval, Thanks so much for the report.

You're in the CNN NEWSROOM. And coming up next, the new reality fertility doctors and patients now face after the Supreme Court's shock ruling on abortion.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Whether they can do IVF, whether someone will regulate, whether they can get their embryos, basically doctors could be charged with murder if an embryo fails to develop.

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MATTINGLY: CNN's Amara Walker has new reporting for us when we come back.

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MATTINGLY: The end of Roe vs. Wade isn't just a concern for women seeking abortions. It also has fertility doctors and their patients worried. CNN's Amara Walker reports.

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KARLEE GILBERT, IN VITRO FERTILIZATION PATIENT: She's always awake, always wanting to see what's going on.

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AMARA WALKER, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice over): For Karlee Gilbert, her twins are a gift from God and science.

You wanted a family.

GILBERT: Mm-hm.

WALKER (off camera): How badly did you want it?

GILBERT: So bad. So bad.

WALKER (voice over): A nearly four year long struggle with infertility led this hospice nurse to in vitro fertilization, a medical treatment where eggs and sperm are joined in a laboratory dish. The embryo is then implanted into a woman's uterus.

GILBERT: I saw just how hard it is for families to be started. I don't take my girls for granted whatsoever.

WALKER (voice over): She says it was a dark and lonely journey. After three failed embryo transfers, she began to lose hope.

GILBERT: Got on medication because I did feel just so depressed that I couldn't have what other people were getting.

WALKER (voice over): But this past March 30-year-old Gilbert got what she wanted from her fourth Embryo transfer, two healthy babies Adeline and Ashby.

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Even with their dreams realized Gilbert has a new worry now that Roe v. Wade has been overturned by the U.S. Supreme Court, triggering abortion bans or restrictions in multiple states, including Mississippi, Gilbert's home state, which is moving to ban abortions in nearly all cases. She wonders what all this means for her frozen embryos in storage in Texas, when it's new law stating Life begins at fertilization takes effect.

GILBERT: How many embryos can we transfer? Is that going to affect that?

WALKER (voice over): Dr. Preston Parry is Gilbert's reproductive endocrinologist. He has fertility practices in Mississippi and Louisiana. He says his patients are petrified.

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DR. PRESTON PARRY, REPRODUCTIVE ENDOCRINOLOGIST: Whether they can do IVF, whether someone will regulate whether they can get their embryos, how they will be able to choose the embryos for transfer.

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WALKER (voice over): Dr. Parry also worries about the potential impact on his career.

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PARRY: That basically doctors could be charged with murder if an embryo fails to develop.

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WALKER (voice over): They're valid concerns, says Seema Mohapatra, a law professor and bioethics expert at Southern Methodist University. Mohapatra expects some states to pass fetal personhood laws, giving legal rights of people to an embryo in the wake of the Supreme Court ruling destroying an embryo she warns could be considered homicide.

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SEEMA MOHAPATRA, HEALTH LAW PROFESSOR, SOUTHERN METHODIST UNIVERSITY: If we end up in a place where there are states that define an embryo as potential life, then - and there's restrictions on discarding them, then you would have to actually implant them in order to not kill them.

(END VIDEO CLIP) WALKER (voice over): One round of IVF could result in multiple

embryos, which can be frozen. Some embryos that are not viable or are genetically abnormal or discarded to increase the chances of a successful pregnancy. Mohapatra says fetal personhood laws will potentially determine how embryos are used.

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MOHAPATRA: So we're going to see this kind of fertility tourists, where we are going to see that people are going - that have stored embryos are going to try to move the embryos because of this uncertainty and fear that they wouldn't have control of what to do with their embryos that they would have to implant them or that they couldn't discard them.

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WALKER (voice over): For Dr. Parry, meeting his patients' babies like Gilbert's twins for the first time is the best part of his job. He and Gilbert hope that the scientific process of building families will not be sacrificed as the abortion battles raged on.

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PARRY: My sole job is bringing kids into this world. That's the most pro life type of setting that you can imagine. It is really scary to see how far this pendulum may swing. We don't know when it will stop.

GILBERT: I just felt like everybody should have the opportunity to be able to start their families and live the dream that we all dream to be.

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WALKER (voice over): Amara Walker, CNN, Madison, Mississippi.

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MATTINGLY: Thanks to Amara Walker for that reporting.

It's the issue that has rocked professional golf and the first ever U.S. based tournament for that controversial Saudi-backed golf league wraps up in just a few hours and a lot of people are very ready to see it go. CNN's Patrick Snell joins me next to explain.

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MATTINGLY: We're going to turn now to the controversial Saudi-backed LIV golf series. It's wrapping up right now in Oregon. 9/11 survivors and victims' families are slamming it as a shameless way for Saudi Arabia to 'sports wash' its reputation. CNN's Patrick Snell joins us now. And Patrick, will this tournament based on what you've seen be considered a success? PATRICK SNELL, CNN SPORTS ANCHOR: Well, Phil, you're quite right to

highlight what you just did. There's been so much scrutiny on this particular event in Oregon playing out right now. Remember, it's the first LIV event on U.S. soil. We only recently have the series opener that was in England last month and the series as a whole and all those golfers facing protests from 9/11 survivors and the victims' families criticizing those players for working with Saudi Arabia, also last month sending an open letter as well to several players competing in the series calling on them to reconsider their participation.

But look, from the organizer's point of view, the series, well, let's face it, it sees huge multimillion dollar sums up of money up for grabs, massive amounts, Phil, no question about that. It is attracting big name players, including for example, sixth time major winner Phil Mickelson. You got the likes of Brooks Koepka, Dustin Johnson as well in there.

Those golfers breaking away from the U.S. PGA Tour and LIV also expected a whole six further events across the world in the coming months. So from their point of view, it's not going away for the record at this hour near Portland right now, it's the Mexican player, Carlos Ortiz leading the way during Saturday's final round. This, remember, a 54-hole contest, Phil.

MATTINGLY: I want to stay on that story forever, but I do want to quickly shift with you. I want to talk tennis. Give us the headlines from Wimbledon going on right now.

SNELL: Yes. Some really strong storylines from the All England Club, my home, in fact, they're over there in England. Polish star, Iga Swiatek seeing her era of recent dominance coming to an end on Saturday. Remember, Swiatek, the French Open champ hadn't lost since February, incredible but full credits to her opponent from France, Alize Cornet, who now goes down as the player who ended the poll 37 match winning streak. Cornet threw to the fourth round. Early on Saturday, 18-year-old American Coco Gauff in action against her compatriots, Amanda Anisimova.

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The Atlanta born 11 seeded Gauff reaching the final.