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U.S. Reckons With Legal Implications Of Post-Roe World; Biden Urges Voters To Elect Lawmakers Who Back Abortion Rights; WNBA Star Brittney Griner's Trial Begins In Russia; Zelenskyy Thanks Biden After New Aid Package Announced; Biden On The World Stage; Travis Barker Hospitalized For Life-Threatening Pancreatitis; Suspect In Murder Of Elite Cyclist Arrested In Costa Rica. Aired 7-8p ET

Aired July 02, 2022 - 19:00   ET

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PATRICK SNELL, CNN WORLD SPORT ANCHOR: Early on Saturday 18-year-old American Coco Gauff in action against her compatriot Amanda Anisimova. The Atlanta born 11-seeded Gauff reaching a final remember of this year's French Open losing to Swiatek in that final. She wins the first set today but then loses the next to a fantastic victory for Anisimova.

And I just want to tell you about a real buzz online right now. The Australian star Nick Kyrgios embroiled in a thrilling contest with a young Greek player Stefano Tsitsipas. Both players had to be warned by the chair for code violations. Let's just say, this was a pretty feisty encounter. I'll tell you at one point Kyrgios even calling for his opponent to be defaulted after the Greek player hit a ball into the crowd narrowly missing a spectator when Tsitsipas lost that second set.

Kyrgios lost the first, wins the next three. The Aussie reaching round four and he'll be playing the young American Brandon Nakashima next.

What a tournament, what a storyline at the Old England Club. As I send it right back to you, Phil, this weekend.

PHIL MATTINGLY, CNN HOST: Always is. Patrick Snell, thanks so much.

The next hour of CNN NEWSROOM starts right now.

I'm Phil Mattingly in Washington. The top stories. Battle lines are drawn in a post-Roe abortion battle. More protests here in the United States and around the world. And clinics in states where abortion is legal see an unprecedented surge.

Plus Russian lawyers start to lay out their case against American basketball star Brittney Griner on trial for drug charges. Her wife and teammates are urging the Biden administration to get her released.

Also ahead, the embattled Uvalde, Texas, school district police chief quitting his council position for the good of the community.

And rock drummer Travis Barker is now recovering from a life- threatening illness. How a routine procedure went so wrong.

You're in the CNN NEWSROOM.

A week after the Supreme Court over turned Roe versus Wade, Americans are in an uproar as some states move swiftly to end all abortions and others push back in an effort to preserve a woman's right to choose. That's clear, this battle is far from over. A short time ago, Vice President Kamala Harris spoke in New Orleans.

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KAMALA HARRIS, VICE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: The Supreme Court with the Dobbs decision for the first time in the history of our nation took a constitutional right that had been recognized and took it from the women of America. Took a constitutional right.

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MATTINGLY: The Texas Supreme Court wasted no time ruling last night that a 1925 law banning abortion can take effect. Now the ban had been temporary blocked after abortion clinics sued in the immediate aftermath of the Roe versus Wade decision. For a brief time, abortions up to six week were allowed to resume but for now that's over.

Here's a look at the current breakdown showing states with outright bans or significant restrictions. States where such actions are likely, states currently in limbo and states where abortion remains legal now.

Now as protests continue across the country, there are echoes around the world. These marches in the streets of Paris today denounced the U.S. Supreme Court decision.

And joining me with more on the tricky legal implications of post-Roe America, Caroline Kitchener, national political reporter for the "Washington Post" and CNN legal analyst Areva Martin.

Now, Caroline, you joined us last week to talk about being inside a Houston clinic when the news broke that Roe versus Wade was being overturned. Now we have Texas rolling back its law, almost 100 years. We've seen multiple states, some going back to 200 years.

This I think is the biggest issue -- there's a lot of issues right now, but kind of the disparate legal implications as everybody tries to figure out what this all means. What are you actually hearing from women and providers in Texas specifically.

CAROLINE KITCHENER, NATIONAL POLITICAL REPORTER, THE WASHINGTON POST: Well, I mean, in Texas, for four days, abortion was once again legal and what you saw was clinics scrambling to get as many women in as they possibly could. And for four days, that's exactly what they did. They called every person on the schedule and they said, can you get here right now.

But I heard from providers this morning who said, you know, look, this morning we had to call 15 women who are on our schedule to say, no, I'm so sorry. We didn't get to you quick enough essentially. We're no longer going to be able to perform your abortion.

MATTINGLY: You had, as this was all happening, Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton took credit for the news. Promised to, quote, keep winning for Texas' unborn babies.

Areva, what's happening in Texas really kind of illustrates the -- look, whatever side of debate you're on on this, there's legal chaos right now. The state's Supreme Court resurrecting a Texas law that dates back to 1925.

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Is that going to stand up to legal challenges, the Supreme Court decision specifically?

AREVA MARTIN, CNN LEGAL ANALYST: It's not clear, Phil. As you just states, there is utter chaos and confusion. You have states literally going against states and states going against the federal government. Some states like Texas are even talking about how do they criminalize women who may leave their state to go to a state where abortions are legal.

We know states don't want to just limit the inabilities of women to get abortions in their states. Those states that are banning abortions also want to reach into other states where women may travel to make it illegal for those women to travel outside the state. So we're going to see a lot of litigation around that.

And we've seen the federal government, the Department of Justice come out and say, look, there's something called the Interstate Commerce Clause. You cannot prevent women from traveling from one state to the other to seek medical care. And we saw Justice Kavanaugh in his concurring opinion in Dobbs also state that nothing in the Dobbs decision was going to prevent women from traveling from state to state.

So what's going to happen ultimately with respect to how states rule in light of Dobbs, Phil, is yet to be seen. Right now we know there is just utter chaos.

MATTINGLY: Yes. Caroline, I want to ask you about something you've been reporting on the last couple of days in a second. But I actually want to pick up on that. Because you've done some really good reporting. There's nuance here. The pro-life or anti-abortion kind of side of this is not monolithic, right. There are very different perspectives, different goals, different intents sometimes when it comes to the policy side of things.

When you talk to individuals representing the various kind of parts of that side of things, where do they land on this issue given the fact that some particularly some, what used to be considered kind of fringe side of it that has become more mainstream are absolutely trying to push to criminalize things or go further than perhaps some in the national genocide of things would like.

KITCHENER: Well, there is not widespread agreement on this issue of restricting people from leaving their states. I've been reporting on that for the last couple of weeks. And you really see a division between the major anti-abortion groups on that topic. We you really hear a lot of people saying is, look, you know, we are not going to actually criminalize women for leaving the state.

We are going to allow any private citizen to sue the provider in another state who provides an abortion to somebody from a state where abortion is restricted, and they really dwell on that difference and say that if they do it that way with civil liability then, you know, it's perfectly legal and constitutional. Now obviously there's lots of disagreement about that.

MATTINGLY: Yes. No, I think it's a big question. Areva, kind of along those line, you have states where abortion is still legal trying to pass their own laws or their own resolutions to try and protect against that. What stands up in a court given kind of the patchwork nature of this in 50-state kind of way this is playing out going forward? What stands up in court if those two things kind of run into one another?

MARTIN: Well, what I think we're going to see, Phil, is the Department of Justice having to step in here and assert its authority to prevent states from criminalizing individuals that leave one state going to the other. Because essentially you are restricting travel. And we don't see that happening with respect to other types of medical procedures.

People are free in this country to leave one state to go to the other for a heart transplant or other kinds of medical procedures outside of the abortion realm. So I think we're going to see the federal government having to step in and assert its authority over interstate travel and to prevent those states from trying the reach into other states.

And Caroline raises that issue, Phil, about civil liability. Yes, we should expect to see some states not criminalizing the movement of an individual from one state to the other but allowing individual citizens to file civil lawsuits to sure those individuals that they say aid and abet women who are seeking abortions. That could be the provider, that could be the Uber driver, that could be anyone.

Maybe even the person at the reception desk that takes the call that makes the appointment. So we're going to see this patchwork of laws by states. And I think, again, where this ends up is probably back at the Supreme Court, Phil, as these states try to enact more restrictive laws to prevent women from exercising reproductive autonomy.

MATTINGLY: And Caroline, you know, you were -- I believe you were reporting in Southern Illinois. There's been kind of a surge in that direction. Illinois obviously still has abortion legal at this point in time. This decision, it's widely varied application in the state. Certainly put enormous pressure on providers who don't want to face civil or criminal penalties. When you speak with providers, what are they telling you?

KITCHENER: I mean, in Southern Illinois, providers were eager to do everything that they can and provide as many abortions as possible.

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Southern Illinois is going to be the destination for thousands and thousands of women across the southeast and Midwest. They are expecting about 14,000 patients in the first year alone to come into Southern Illinois. And, you know, providers are getting ready for that surge. And they're already starting to see it.

While I was there last week, they told me that on Thursday, the day before the ruling, they had about 100 calls from people trying to schedule their abortions, and then on Friday, after the ruling, they had over 600 calls. So they are already seeing those numbers spike.

MATTINGLY: Yes. It's just a lot to kind of figure out in this moment in time.

Caroline Kitchener, you've done great reporting on this. Areva Martin, always appreciate your legal analysis on things. Guys, thanks so much.

MARTIN: Thanks, Phil.

KITCHENER: Thank you.

MATTINGLY: All right, President Biden says the only way to protect abortion rights is for voters to send enough Democrats to the U.S. Congress to pass legislation. But many activists want the president to do more.

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JOE BIDEN, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: Congress is going to have to act to codify Roe into federal law. As I said yesterday, the filibuster should not stand in the way of us being able to do that. But right now, we don't have the votes in the Senate to change the filibuster. This is not over. It's not over.

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MATTINGLY: CNN's Arlette Saenz joins us now. And Arlette, the president is right. His whip count is right in terms of having the vote. But the White House is still under a significant amount of pressure to do something in the wake of this decision. We just heard from the vice president moments ago. What did she have to say?

ARLETTE SAENZ, CNN WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT: Well, Phil, it's very clear that the White House is trying to keep this issue of abortion front and center just one week after the Supreme Court overturned Roe versus Wade. And Vice President Kamala Harris is the most recent messenger to really pick up that fight. She was speaking just a few moments ago at the Essence Festival which is one of the largest annual gatherings of black women in this country.

And she talked about how protecting access to abortion is a serious matter and urged Americans not to be disheartened by this ruling. And she further talked about the implications that the Supreme Court's decision will have in this country.

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HARRIS: What essentially has happened is the statement has been made that the government has a right to come in your home and tell you as a woman and as a family what you should do with your body. We also know that we've had a history in this country of government trying to claim ownership over human bodies.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Exactly. Yes, that is right.

HARRIS: And we had supposedly evolved from that time and that way of thinking. So this is very problematic on some many levels.

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SAENZ: Now for his part, President Biden yesterday held a virtual meeting with nine Democratic governors to talk about the steps their states are taking to try to protect access to abortion. The Biden administration of course has said that they are taking some steps themselves trying to ensure that women can cross state lines that they need to access abortion as well as expanding access to medication abortion.

But President Biden, at this moment, is really facing lot of pressure for him to do more and what he has urged is for voters to head to the polls in November to vote in more Democrats who would codify Roe v. Wade into law. But what remains unclear at this moment is how big of an impact abortion will have in those November midterm elections with the economy and inflation really at the top of minds of so many voters.

MATTINGLY: Very true. The biggest question in Washington right now. Arlette Saenz, live for us from the North Lawn, thanks so much.

SAENZ: Thanks.

MATTINGLY: New tonight, embattled Uvalde school police chief Pete Arrendondo has resigned from a separate position on the city council. Arredondo has been under fire for the, quote, "abject failure of the police response" to the Robb Elementary School shooting. That shooting left 19 students and two teachers dead. The Texas Public Safety director blamed Arredondo.

Arredondo wrote this in his resignation letter, "It is in the best interest of the community to step down as a member of the city council to minimize further distractions."

Last hour I spoke to Zach Despart of the "Texas Tribune" who said residents want him to also step down as a school police chief.

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ZACH DESPART, POLITICS REPORTER, THE TEXAS TRIBUNE: From our conversations with residents of Uvalde the past month from the instance of shooting, many of them have expressed disappointment in Arredondo's conduct during the shooting. They had expressed disappointment that the city has not been forthcoming in releasing records about what happened. So many of them, today, were grateful that finally Chief Arredondo had stepped down from his position on the city council.

Of course Many of them also want him to step down from his actual full-time job which is the police chief of the school's police department.

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MATTINGLY: Arredondo had been elected to the Uvalde City Council on May 7th, just weeks before the massacre.

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You're in the CNN NEWSROOM. And coming up next, the U.S. is accusing Russia of using Brittney Griner as a political pawn as the basketball's trial begins. Our Fred Pleitgen is in Moscow with the latest.

Also ahead, rock drummer Travis Barker revealing new details tonight about a life-threatening illness.

And, if you've ever wanted to live in a missile silo, we have great news and a great deal for you. Where it is and what it costs, coming up later in the hour.

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MATTINGLY: The trial of WNBA star Brittney Griner is officially underway in Russia. Griner has been held for more than four months, accused of trying to smuggle drugs. In an exclusive interview, Griner's wife told CNN's Abby Phillip U.S. officials aren't doing enough to bring her home.

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CHERELLE GRINER, BRITTNEY GRINER'S WIFE: I do trust that the persons working on this are very genuine people.

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That I do believe. But I don't think the maximum amount of effort is being done because, again, the rhetoric and the actions don't match.

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MATTINGLY: Now Griner is accused of carrying less than a gram of cannabis oi into an airport in Moscow. If convicted, she could face up to 10 years in prison.

CNN's Fred Pleitgen was at day one of her trial.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE) FREDERIK PLEITGEN, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT (voice- over): Brittney Griner handcuffed as she was led into the courtroom. Cameras were not allowed inside the trial where the WNBA star was read the charges of allegedly trying to smuggle drugs into Russia. Her lawyer saying Griner is in strong spirits.

ALEXANDER BOYKOV, BRITTNEY GRINER'S LAWYER: She's a bit worried but she's a tough, tough lady. I think that she will manage.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: What do you think are the chances she can get out, that you can request get an acquittal?

BOYKOV: I would not comment on that.

PLEITGEN: Brittney Griner was detained at a Moscow airport on February 17th. Prosecutors today claiming she was carrying two vaping cartridges with a total of about 0.7 grams of cannabis oil inside them. A crime in Russia that can carry a sentence of up to 10 years in a prison colony.

The U.S. considers Brittney Griner as being wrongfully detained. The charge d'affaires of the U.S. embassy was inside the courtroom and called on Russia to release Brittney Griner immediately.

ELIZABETH ROOD, CHARGE D'AFFAIRES, U.S. EMBASSY MOSCOW: Wrongful detention is unacceptable wherever it occurs. The United States government, at the very highest levels, is working very hard to bring Miss Griner, as well as all wrongfully detained U.S. citizens, safely home.

PLEITGEN: Brittney Griner's trial starts as tensions between the U.S. and Russia have reached the boiling point. Not just over Russia's invasion of Ukraine, the U.S. is also calling for the immediate release of former Marine Paul Whelan, who was sentenced to 16 years in Russian prison for alleged espionage. The U.S. called his conviction politically motivated. The Kremlin rejects that and today also said Brittney Griner's trial was not political.

DMITRY PESKOV, KREMLIN SPOKESPERSON (through translator): You know, I cannot comment on the action of the Russian court. We don't have the right to do that and never do. I can only deal with the facts and the facts say that a prominent athlete was detained in possession of prohibited substances that contain drugs.

PLEITGEN: After about 2 and 1/2 hours, Brittney Griner's trial was adjourned for another week and she was led away handcuffed again, as her lawyers and U.S. authorities fight to bring the basketball star home as soon as possible.

Fred Pleitgen, CNN, Moscow.

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MATTINGLY: Our thanks to Fred Pleitgen for that report.

Ukraine's president is personally thanking President Biden for the new military aid heading his way. Coming up next, the impact some of those new missile systems, what they can have in the war and whether this week's NATO summit could help end the conflict.

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MATTINGLY: Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy is thanking President Biden and the United States for another $820 million in military aid that includes anti-aircraft missile system systems. Now the U.S. has given Ukraine close to $7 billion in assistance since Russia's invasion.

CNN political analyst and "Washington Post" reporter Josh Rogin joins me now. He's also the author of the very good book, "Chaos Under Heaven: Trump, Xi and the Battle for the 21st Century."

Josh, I want to start -- I was in Madrid with the president at the NATO summit. That's not me bragging. I just was literally over there for my job. And I was struck by a number of things coming out of that summit. But I think first and foremost was just the dramatic shift in NATO posture, right? You could see it from the U.S. side of things. Obviously with the deployments to the eastern flank. A permanent headquarters in Poland which is obviously something that President Putin has made clear he'd never wanted up to this point. We saw it from NATO allies as well.

But one of the questions coming out of that that I had is, is this pushing these closer to an actual military conflict between NATO and Russia? Where is that line? Because nobody seems to be able to identify it.

JOSH ROGIN, CNN POLITICAL ANALYST: Right. What the U.S. and its partners are doing is they're trying to raise the deterrents to actually lessen the risk of war. The theory of it is that if we're so strong and NATO is so strong on Russia's border that Putin won't try anything. That's how deterrents work. And if you look at what happened in Ukraine, Putin miscalculated. He thought it would be easy. That's one of the reasons he attacked.

Now he was wrong, but we don't want to make that same mistake again if he tries to go after the Baltic States or Poland or anywhere else, in Romania, any other NATO country. So it's kind of like escalating to deescalate. But the idea is to make it clear to Putin that there's so much stuff in his way that he better not try any attack on NATO. So I see it as actually lessening the risk of war by putting more stuff in front of Putin that so he won't want to try attacking. So it actually the theory is it makes war less likely but we'll have to wait and see.

MATTINGLY: And I think probably the most dramatic thing, obviously post-posture, if you look back over 10 years, the fact that the U.S. is sending more troops there, more commands, more ships, more fighters is amazing given the fact that they started to kind of rotate away but without question the biggest deal was the ability for President Biden working behind the scenes to clear the way for Sweden and Finland to join. You want to talk about deterrence factor, Finland has an 800-mile

border with Russia. What does that tell you about both President Biden's work on this and also kind of where America stands on the world stage?

ROGIN: Sure. Well, first of all, it tells us from the Swedish and Finnish perspective that they're really concerned.

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They're really scared. They've maintained that neutrality for decades, and now, they've sided with NATO because they know the threat is real.

And the fact that Biden was able to coordinate and usher these two new members of the Alliance shows that American leadership in NATO is back.

Remember, we had four years of President Trump basically criticizing NATO, criticizing its partners. Yes, he got them to pay more. But he really undermined America's leadership by denigrating the Alliance every chance that he got.

There were even reports that he was planning to pull America out of the NATO Alliance. So in that sense, American leadership in NATO was back. The problem is that no one knows what's going to happen in one year's time or in three years' time, and a lot of the European officials that I've been talking to are worried that signs of the United States of a dysfunctional democracy and a rollback of consensus on the things that we used to believe in like a forward NATO presence in our own politics will come back once the Biden administration is gone.

So it's a good thing that America is back in charge of NATO. It's a good thing that NATO is expanding. But no one knows how long that's going to last, even here in the United States and that lingering concern will stay until we have successive administrations from both parties that feel the same way.

MATTINGLY: Yes, the response from one European diplomat last year when the President kept saying "America is back" was how long? We were texting back and forth.

Now, there's one other thing, I think that's very much kind of an issue that people were talking about on the sidelines, maybe not directly to President Biden.

Here's another one. The President was meeting with allies overseas when the Roe versus Wade was obviously a big issue, again, not directly brought up to the President. But you could talk to European diplomats who were talking about this while we were in Madrid, and the President mentioned it, kind of seemed to allude to this in something he said. Take a listen.

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JOE BIDEN (D), PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: One thing that has been destabilizing is the outrageous behavior of the Supreme Court of the United States on overruling, not only Roe v. Wade, but essentially challenging the right to privacy.

We've been a leader in the world in terms of personal rights and privacy rights. And it is a mistake, in my view from the Supreme Court do what it did.

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MATTINGLY: It was a powerful statement on the world stage, but I was also thinking as he was making that statement about a column you had written, I think, a couple of days beforehand about what that decision means for the US in terms of its role in the international stage.

Walk me through kind of your thinking on that column. I thought that was interesting.

ROGIN: Sure. Well, you know, on the one hand, the United States has been a leader for women's rights and reproductive active rights for decades around the world pushing other countries to give women and girls and other pregnant people in their country more rights to have more autonomy over their bodies. And we do that with a number of programs, billions of dollars that we give through USAID and other organizations all over the world.

And now, as women are facing a rollback of those rights here at home, it undermines all those programs. More than that, it puts us in a small category of countries that's moving in the opposite direction and that category of countries does not include all of those democracies in Europe that we're trying to partner with.

And thirdly, it gives this fodder to our enemies, to the dictatorships who say that America is so messy and democracy is too messy, and authoritarianism is better and it feeds their propaganda. And they say, well, how can America be a champion of human rights when we're removing rights from home? Whether or not you agree with that, that's what the propaganda is saying.

So on a lot of levels, it just makes that advocacy and leadership and human rights in my opinion, much, much more difficult. And President Biden is very clear that he was embarrassed and it is very clear that he saw this as overshadowing his trip. He is trying to say America's back, and yet we seem so dysfunctional, and so divided and so broken that how can we be the champions of democracy and freedom? How could we be the arsenal of democracy or freedom when we can't -- when our own shop is all discombobulated here at home?

I think that's a real concern, and it's also a concern for I'm sure you heard from our European allies, but people countries all over the world that want to know that if we're going to have an American-led system or a system based in democracy, freedom and human rights, that we're sure about what that means.

And right now, it's pretty clear that here in America, we're not.

MATTINGLY: Yes, and the pendulum seems to go back and forth. And right now, it seems to have been staying in one place.

Well, there's one final thing I want to ask you about, because this -- you write more about this than any other topic, and that's the issue of China. And I think, again, when you talk about the American role here, particularly with the course of the last year, and NATO, I was struck in the strategic concept that China was mentioned and it was mentioned both the Alliance with Russia, it was mentioned in stronger terms than I think you ever would have seen 12 months ago in kind of what this means for Europe, what this means in the White House's push to try and bring France and Germany and others along on the issue of China.

Is this a dramatic step in a direction or is this just kind of part of a process?

ROGIN: No, I think it's an incremental step in the right direction in the sense that, you know, we don't expect NATO to deal with China. NATO has got its hands full. They're going to deal with Russia. That's enough for right now.

China should really be dealt with primarily in Asia with our Asian partners and friends and allies first and foremost, however, it's just a fact of life that China and Russia and the other dictatorships are teaming up together.

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ROGIN: It's one problem, it is all linked. They're on one team, we're on the other team, the team of democracies and open societies. That's our NATO partners and Japan and South Korea and India on Tuesdays and Thursdays, and that's why we brought those countries to the NATO Summit and put this in writing to acknowledge that we recognize that it's really about open free societies versus those societies that are run by the party state that want to crush human rights and crush the rights of people inside their systems.

So that's a written document that says, we are all in this fight together, the free countries in Asia, the free countries in Europe, the United States, and China and Russia, they're on the other side of that, and that's going to be the dynamic that's going to govern international relations for as long as you and I will probably be alive.

MATTINGLY: Yes. I don't think there's any question about that. The trend dodges the idea of a new Cold War, but it starts to feel like we're kind of heading that direction.

ROGIN: Yes. We may not be interested in a Cold War, but a Cold War might be interested in us.

MATTINGLY: It seems that way. Josh Rogin, my former colleague at "Congressional Quarterly" years ago when we both looked a lot younger. Thanks so much for coming in, bud. I appreciate it.

ROGIN: You bet. MATTINGLY: All right, and a quick programming note, join Fareed

Zakaria as he investigates the relationship between the US and Saudi Arabia. The CNN Special Report "Kingdom of Secrets" airs tomorrow morning at 10:00 AM.

And still ahead, Travis Barker speaks out on what his wife Courtney Kardashian calls a "scary and emotional week." What we're learning about the drummer's hellscape. Coming up next.

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MATTINGLY: Blink 182 drummer Travis Barker is making headlines this week when he was hospitalized and we are just now finding out what happened.

CNN entertainment reporter, Chloe Melas has the latest.

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CHLOE MELAS, CNN ENTERTAINMENT REPORTER: For days, fans of Travis Barker and Kourtney Kardashian have been wondering why Travis Barker was hospitalized at Cedars Sinai in Los Angeles. The pair breaking their silence with Travis writing on Instagram saying: "I went in for an endoscopy Monday feeling great.

But after dinner I developed excruciating pain and have been hospitalized ever since." He goes on to say that there was a polyp in a very sensitive area that should have been removed by a specialist, it appears that perhaps the specialist did not remove the polyp, which now he says caused life-threatening pancreatitis.

He goes on to say that he is so thankful to the intensive treatment that he is currently receiving and he's still in the hospital. Kourtney Kardashian wrote something similar. Remember, he and Kourtney, they just married a few weeks ago in this lavish ceremony in Europe.

Travis is only 46 years old. He is you know, been seemingly otherwise healthy. And you know, the only headlines he's ever really made to be incredibly serious was that plane crash that he was in many years ago, but fans are thankful that he's on the mend, but again, a very scary situation.

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MATTINGLY: Yes. No question about it. Thanks for that, Chloe.

I want to talk more about this with Dr. Roshini Raj. She's a gastroenterologist and professor at NYU, Dr. Raj, at the risk of making clear that I pay a lot of attention to celebrity news, when I don't necessarily want to, I'm actually -- I'm really glad you're on because I have a lot of actual medical questions when you read about this and you start to think, okay, what does an endoscopy do? What is pancreatitis? But I want to start with what Travis Barker has said. He says, he is

feeling much better. Does that mean that he's out of the woods generally in a situation like this?

DR. ROSHINI RAJ, GASTROENTEROLOGIST AND PROFESSOR AT NYU: Well, it's a great question, you know, pancreatitis, which literally means inflammation of the pancreas is a condition that can range from mild to serious and even fatal in some cases. And so it's a great question. If he's feeling better now, does that mean he's totally out of the woods? You know, most likely, yes. Although pancreatitis is one of those conditions that can wax and wane in severity.

And again, even if things get better for a couple of days, it can get worse again. But for the most likely scenario, he is out of the woods and hopefully he'll be going home soon. And we can talk also about the endoscopy and how often this can happen after a test like that.

MATTINGLY: No, that's exactly what I wanted ask. I mean, I was furiously Googling endoscopy, how rare this was, how likely this is? You know, somebody, I don't want to make somebody afraid to get something that they should get. Kind of walk us through that.

RAJ: Absolutely. And so let me first be clear that I'm not at all involved in the case and the information we have is limited right now. So when he said he had an endoscopy, a regular upper endoscopy is a test I do all the time. It's a test where you insert a flexible tube in the mouth, look down the esophagus, stomach, and the first part of the small intestine.

That's an extremely safe procedure and the risk of having pancreatitis after that is extremely low. It's very rare. It has -- knock on wood -- never happened to me and even none of my colleagues as far as I know. But it could potentially happen very, very rare.

Another type of endoscopy, which is a very specialized type of endoscopy, called an ERCP, or endoscopic retrograde cholangiopancreatography is a mouthful, but this is a test where the endoscopist -- it is a special type of endoscopist who does this, puts a scope down and specifically is looking at the pancreatic duct and the bile duct and they're actually injecting contrast dye into those ducts.

The risk of pancreatitis with that type of endoscopy is not that low, the estimates range anywhere from two to three percent to 10 to 15 percent. So that's a test where the doctors who do it routinely are worried about pancreatitis. They're trying to prevent it. They're looking for it afterwards. And I suspect we may find out later that that's the type of endoscopy that Travis Barker had.

I can't say for sure, it may have been the first type, but in that case, it would be very rare; in the second type, not so rare at all.

MATTINGLY: So, you know, another again, this is an admittedly dumb question, but as somebody who was trying to figure out pancreatitis, you know, walk me through, you know, what is that? What does it mean? And I guess, the risks, you know, is it life-threatening? Should people be very concerned if they think that they have it? What should people know about it?

RAJ: Yes. Great, great questions. So the pancreas is an organ that sits sort of right in the center here of our abdomen. It is responsible for producing hormones like insulin which we know are extremely important, but it's an organ when it becomes inflamed can very quickly go south with the entire body in terms of organ damage.

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RAJ: So it's something to be taken very seriously. Usually, the presenting symptoms are abdominal pain, nausea, and vomiting. Certainly, if you've had a procedure like an endoscopy, you want to look out for things like that and you always want to see your doctor very quickly or go to an emergency room if you're suspecting pancreatitis, because like I said, it can lead very quickly to kidney failure, liver failure, and even death in some cases, if not treated, or even when treated, unfortunately, can sometimes you know, actually kill people, so it's a very serious disease.

In terms of the treatment, usually it's just not having the person have anything by mouth. So really resting the pancreas, giving them IV hydration and fluids and then looking out for other secondary infections or abscesses, things like that, but it is a very serious condition.

Apart from procedures, the most common causes are things like gallstones or heavy alcohol use.

MATTINGLY: Okay. Thank you for answering my question. I understand they are basic, but I just have so many questions. I wish I could have been texting you at the time, but Dr. Roshini Raj, thank you for all of your insight and expertise. I appreciate it.

RAJ: A pleasure.

MATTINGLY: All right. You're in the CNN NEWSROOM, and ahead, a new hairstyle, a different country. The passport that wasn't hers.

New details on the length's the woman suspected of killing an elite cyclist went to avoid capture and why officials think she did it.

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MATTINGLY: The woman accused of killing an elite cyclist is now in custody after 43 days on the run. Kaitlin Marie Armstrong was arrested Thursday in Costa Rica according to the US Marshals. Armstrong is accused of killing Anna Moriah Wilson on May 11th. Officials call it an act of romantic jealousy.

CNN's Jean Casarez has new reporting on the case.

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JEAN CASAREZ, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Deportation proceedings have begun in Costa Rica to bring back Armstrong to the United States, but they can take a while. It could be up to 30 days.

Now, here's what we do know. The US Marshal is confirming that it was what they are calling a fraudulent passport that she used to get from Newark Airport in New Jersey to Costa Rica, but what they mean by that is that it may have been a legitimate US issued passport, but it was someone else's name and she was using the identity of that person because there was apparently a resemblance.

But she was found on the beach in Costa Rica living in a hostel that is where she was captured. She is now at a prison in Costa Rica awaiting deportation.

I want you to listen to Brandon Fila, he is a Deputy US Marshal.

BRANDON FILA, DEPUTY US MARSHAL: She used a passport that was an active passport from an individual that, you know, shared the same common physical description where she was able to manipulate, you know, the system to really obtain permission or access to get an international flight to Costa Rica.

But you know, I think, you know, she went on the run and when she left Austin, she didn't have a warrant. She was questioned by authorities. But a day after that's when she fled internationally and she probably had to develop some type of quick plan and that was probably her best play that she had to move forward and we finally caught up with her.

CASAREZ: The Wilson family has issued a statement because they are very relieved that it appears as though the person that authority suspect in all of this in the murder of Anna Moriah Wilson may have been captured. They say, "We are relieved to know this phase of uncertainty is now behind us and we trust that justice will prevail."

And the motive to all this, authorities believe at this point could have been a type of romantic triangle. There is a boyfriend, Colin Strickland in the Austin area that apparently may have been the boyfriend of both of them. He did admit that he had taken Wilson who is the deceased victim swimming that day, out to dinner that day, and later on that night is when she was murdered.

But authorities also say that surveillance video showed them a vehicle that resembled the one that Armstrong owned. And when authorities did get there that night on May 11th, her body had many, many gunshot wounds and she was pronounced dead at the scene.

This case is in its infancy, it will grow. We will see what charges there are on the Federal and obviously, the State level. And one last question: Where did she get that passport from and who?

Jean Casarez, CNN, New York.

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MATTINGLY: You're in the CNN NEWSROOM, and still ahead, it is all about location, location, location when you're looking for that new home. And guess what? If you want something a little bit more secluded, you can call an old missile silo home for less than you may expect.

The tour inside, coming up next.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: As you start going down the stairs, you can you can feel the drop in temperature.

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MATTINGLY: An underground piece of Cold War history is for sale in Nebraska. It's a 1960 nuclear missile launch site that can be yours for just over a half million dollars. The property includes a bunker and a silo that once contained an Atlas F missile. Those sites once dotted remote areas of the Great Plains.

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ROBERT BRANTING, AUTHOR, "A MIGHT FORCE FOR PEACE": Ultimately, they put 15 bases in Nebraska. So one out in the Panhandle, but with the exception of that one base that was associated with military base in Wyoming, the York Missile Base was the farthest west.

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MATTINGLY: Most of the sites were closed in 1965 and sold off. If you're not quite ready to buy yet, there is a Minuteman Missile National Historic Site in South Dakota where you can tour an underground bunker and silo for free.

The next hour of CNN NEWSROOM starts right now.

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