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Akron Mayor Calls For No Violence After Deadly Police Shooting; Several Dead After Shooting At Copenhagen Mall; Pressure On Trump's White House Counsel To Follow John Dean's Example; Trump Attacks Former White House Aide Over January 6th Testimony; Woman Seek Abortion Out Of State After Learning Her Unborn Child Had Severe Abnormalities; Flight Cancellations & Delays Snarl Airports. Aired 4- 5p ET

Aired July 03, 2022 - 16:00   ET

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JESSICA DEAN, CNN HOST: Thanks, everyone for your kind messages. later. Alex Albon was also involved in that crash and an incident right after. He was cleared of any major injuries but sent to a hospital for precautionary checks. The race later restarted.

You are live in the CNN NEWSROOM. I'm Jessica Dean in Washington. Jim Acosta is off today.

The Akron, Ohio, mayor is calling for calm as police released bodycam footage showing the death of 25-year-old Jayland Walker was shown. On Monday officers trying to stop Walker for an alleged traffic violation. Police say he led them on a car chase, fired a shot at them and eventually abandoned his car to run away on foot while wearing a ski mask.

The confrontation then ensued and police shot Walker multiple times. Officers later discovered Walker had left his gun in the car and he was unarmed when he was shot.

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CHIEF STEPHEN MYLETT, AKRON POLICE: What was going to be a routine traffic stop, which would probably result either in a warning or a citation being issued, turned into a pursuit. As Mr. Walker turned on to the entrance ramp to Route 8 and the shot is fired, that changes the nature of the contact.

Forty seconds after the initiation of the traffic stop, a half mile from the location of the traffic stop, you hear the gunshot and then everything else that I've just discovered. And again, that changes the whole nature of the traffic stop. It went from being a routine traffic stop to now a public safety issue.

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DEAN: Let's go now to CNN correspondent Polo Sandoval in Akron, Ohio.

And Polo, the attorney for the Walker family says he never shot at officers. Tell us more about what we're seeing in this newly released bodycam video.

POLO SANDOVAL, CNN CORRESPONDENT: So, Jessica, we have seen lately, at least in the last couple of hours, is that call for justice and the call for answers is certainly amplified with the release of that video. You see several folks outside of Akron Police headquarters here. Many people have seen this video like we have for the very first time with this release, and what is key is what we see in the moments leading up to and during the actual shooting.

Akron Police maintained that Jayland basically opened fire, shooting at least one time while he was trying to get away from police behind the wheel of that vehicle. That vehicle pursuit eventually turns into a foot pursuit. And that is where some of this very disturbing video that we're going to show you in a few moments, and again, was released by authorities so people have a better idea, a better context of what happened.

That's when officers say that they perceived a threat being -- mainly being Walker reaching for his waistband and also appearing as if he was going to open fire, though we should mention both police and also the attorneys representing the Walker family maintain that he was unarmed at the moment that police officers, eight of them in all, opened fire shooting and killing Walker. This is the video.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Twenty-one shots fired, (INAUDIBLE), had a shot come out of its door.

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SANDOVAL: Now it's very difficult to make out, but in that moment when you see Walker basically jump out of that moving vehicle police saying that he was wearing a ski mask. I asked the attorney that's representing the family why that was. He said at this point in the investigation they just simply do not know. What they did say, though, is that just simply wearing a mask does not constitute or at least shouldn't be reason enough to respond with lethal force.

So the crux of the argument right now or really the big question that the Walker family has right now is why so many officers fired so many times. The police chief in Akron, I asked him as he sees this -- when you saw this video for the first time what was the most concerning thing that he observed in that footage, and here is what was his answer.

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MYLETT: They need to be able to articulate what specific threats they were facing, and that goes for every round that goes down the barrel of their gun. And they need to be held to account.

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SANDOVAL: That word, accountability, certainly going to be key. It has been heavily discussed here on the streets of Akron, and we've heard it.

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I've heard directly from the spokesperson for the Walker family saying that they are calling for these demonstrations to remain peaceful as they've been for several days now but at the same time demanding accountability once the investigation runs its course.

We should mention, though, Jessica, at this point those officers that were involved in the shooting remain on paid administrative leave. Back to you.

DEAN: All right. Polo Sandoval for us in Akron, Ohio. Thanks so much for that updated reporting.

CNN senior law enforcement analyst and former Philadelphia Police commissioner Charles Ramsey is joining us now. He was also tapped by President Obama to co-lead a task forces aimed at building trust and legitimacy between the community and police.

Commissioner, lovely to see you. Thanks for being with us. I want to begin by just getting your reaction to this bodycam video that was released by police today.

CHARLES RAMSEY, CNN SENIOR LAW ENFORCEMENT ANALYST: Well, I was able to watch a couple of videos, the one that shows the officer actually in pursuit and running is difficult to discern anything from that because of the movement of the camera, but the other video that was more of a narrated video where they could stop and kind of show different things was actually much better to watch to try to determine whether or not there was a perceived threat that would lead to the officers even firing a firearm at this individual.

So from what I could see that still remains to be seen whether or not the use of deadly force was justified. But he did fire what appeared to be a round out of the car. I mean, he got out of the car wearing a ski mask, which, it is July, takes off running and then there is one photograph from the body camera showing him turning.

So, again, the chief is right. Every round has to be justified. Every single officer, and there are like eight officers there, so you have to look at it from a variety of angles to find out exactly what they saw, what did they perceive at the moment they fired the gun. Right now it's very difficult to really tell whether or not use of deadly force was justified.

DEAN: And I want to play a clip from today's press conference with the chief of police. We can listen to that.

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MYLETT: Forty seconds after the initiation of the traffic stop, a half a mile from the location of the traffic stop, you hear the gunshot and everything else that I've just discovered, and again, that changes the whole nature of the traffic stop. It went from being a routine traffic stop to now a public safety issue. (END VIDEO CLIP)

DEAN: A routine traffic stop to a public safety issue. Do you agree with the chief's assessment there?

RAMSEY: Well, yes, I mean, it would. It would certainly heighten your awareness and the perceived threat that you would have if an individual is driving a car. You know he's armed if a shot is fired from the car. So obviously that would change things. But, still, at the moment that you fire your firearm as a police officer, you have to be justified in thinking that your life or the life of another was in jeopardy at that point in time.

So whatever the person did prior to that is one thing. What you have to focus on when you're looking and reviewing these cases is what actually took place at the moment the shots were fired. And that's what's unclear. So you've got a lot of unanswered questions. It is being investigated by a third party which is good. The chief took immediate steps to make sure that happened. But he's also right in another comment he made and that is you have to justify every single shot because you have to re-assess, re-assess, re-assess. And that's going to be something that every officer is going to have to account for.

DEAN: And speaking of the shots fired, the sheer amount of shots fired at the end of that video, which you hear, is pretty stunning. We're told at least 60 wounds on Walker's body but they're working to get the official, you know, report back on that.

What's the training here, Commissioner? Are officers trained to shoot someone that many times? You know, what are -- I know you were talking about when they're firing their weapon they have to account for what's going on, but help us understand why they would fire that many times. That's a lot.

RAMSEY: Well, I mean, it's not about the number of times when you're training, it's about neutralizing the threat that is presented before you. Now, remember, you had eight officers. Each officer looking at the suspect, each apparently felt there was a threat that would justify the use of deadly force. So when you look at the number of shots fired you have to consider there were eight people there.

Now it is a lot of shots, and obviously that's got to be part of the investigation, so I'm not trying to say that that's normal because it's not. But at the same time you have to consider the totality of circumstances that you're dealing with. And as far as 60 wounds, what the medical examiner will determine is how many are entrance wounds, how many are exit wounds. All those kinds of things have yet to be determined.

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But there were an awful lot of shots fired and again every round has to be justified by those officers and during the course of this investigation that's what's going to take place. It turns out he was unarmed. The gun was in the car. At the time the officers are pursuing him. They don't know that. These things happened very, very quickly, and you have to again remember the totality of circumstances. Shots fired from the car, wearing a ski mask in the middle of summer, taking off running.

I mean, all these things kind of heightened your sense or your perception that this is a very dangerous situation, but it still doesn't mean that deadly force was necessary. Again, that's got to come out during the course of the investigation. I can't determine that from just looking at that video.

DEAN: From watching the video. And before I let you go I want to ask you, we are seeing these protests in Akron happening now, they were happening behind our correspondent Polo Sandoval. What do you think needs to happen to build that trust between the community and the police department there? That's something I know you've spent a lot of time focusing on.

RAMSEY: Well, first of all, trust has to be built well before you have an incident. That's the whole point of building trust because trust is a fragile thing. And when you really stop and think about what's been going on in policing over the last three years it's not about this incident, it's about all the others, it's the George Floyd, it's all the others that have people upset and don't trust police in general.

And that's why it is so important in departments across the country. You have to really work with your community because when something like this happens, you'll find out just how fragile that trust is and hopefully you have enough invested in that community so it doesn't go from a peaceful protest, which is what we're looking at now which is fine, to something that could turn ugly and hopefully this doesn't happen. I hope it doesn't. But I'm sure everybody is kind of on edge right now.

DEAN: Yes. Commissioner Charles Ramsey, as always, thanks for making time. We appreciate it.

RAMSEY: Thank you. OK.

DEAN: Coming up, we have developing news out of Copenhagen.

Several people dead at a shooting in a mall there. Some dramatic and clearly disturbing footage showing people running from the scene. We'll have a live report for you next.

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DEAN: Breaking news now. One person is in custody and a manhunt is under way after several people were shot dead at a shopping mall in Copenhagen, Denmark. New video from inside that mall shows people terrified and running for their lives as you hear the gunshots echoing around them.

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DEAN: Really awful video to watch. At least three people have been hospitalized.

CNN's Nada Bashir is in London. What more do we know about who was behind this?

NADA BASHIR, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Look, this was clearly a very terrifying situation for those at that shopping mall in Copenhagen. We are still learning more detail from police officials in the city as it comes in. At this stage, we understand from police officials that there have been several fatalities as a result of that shooting. At least three as you mentioned have been hospitalized at this stage.

Well, the police haven't been able to give any further details around their condition. That is still of course being kept classified by police officials at this stage. But they have confirmed that one individual has now been arrested, a 22-year-old Danish man is in custody, although the head of police in Copenhagen wasn't able to rule out the possibility of further suspects involved in this incident, so there is still a manhunt ongoing.

There could still be potential suspects added to that list. But at this age a 22-year-old Danish man is in custody. Now the key question, of course, for police as they continue their investigation is the motive behind this incident. They haven't at this stage been able to rule out a terrorist motive. But of course that is still unclear, that is what the police are trying to determine at this stage.

We have of course seen in the past Copenhagen dealing with far-right extremist groups as well, and the possibility of gang-related violence is on the cards, also. So there are still questions around the motive of this attack. But of course the police investigation is still ongoing. A little while ago the head of police gave a press conference stating that there is going to be continued heavy police presence on the scene.

But, of course, a truly terrifying situation for those who had been at the shopping mall, one of Copenhagen's largest concert venues, less than a mile away from where the incident took place. Harry Styles due to perform there this evening. So this would have typically on a Sunday afternoon very busy and of course a very frightening situation for those who were at the scene -- Jessica.

DEAN: Yes, no doubt about that. Nada Bashir, thank you so much for that reporting. We appreciate it.

Let's turn now to the January 6th investigation. Pat Cipollone has been issued a congressional subpoena and now everyone is waiting to see if the former Trump White House counsel will take a cue from John Dean of Watergate and blow the whistle on what he saw and heard around January 6th.

CNN correspondent Brian Todd reports.

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BRIAN TODD, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice over): June 25th, 1973, former White House Counsel John Dean appears before the Senate committee investigating Watergate and gives explosive testimony about the planning for the Watergate break-in, the cover-up and other criminal activity undertaken by his former boss, President Richard Nixon, and his aides.

JOHN DEAN, FORMER WHITE HOUSE COUNSEL: I began by telling the president that there was a cancer growing on the presidency.

TODD: Dean was implicating Nixon, other officials and even himself in the Watergate scandal, a crucial moment in the demise of the Nixon presidency. Dean later pleaded guilty to obstruction of justice charges and served prison time.

PROF. JEFFREY ENGEL, CENTER FOR PRESIDENTIAL HISTORY, SOUTHERN METHODIST UNIVERSITY: He's a hero because history remembers him largely for having gone and spoken the truth and helped saved the democracy that was under threat during Watergate.

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TODD: Contrast John Dean with former Trump White House Counsel Pat Cipollone. Cassidy Hutchinson, a former aide to Trump's chief of staff Mark Meadows, testified that Cipollone was in close touch with her on January 6th and desperately tried to keep the then-president from going up to Capitol Hill with the rioters.

CASSIDY HUTCHINSON, FORMER AIDE TO WHITE HOUSE CHIEF OF STAFF MARK MEADOWS: Mr. Cipollone has said something to the effect of, please make sure he doesn't go up to the Capitol, Cassidy. Keep in touch with me. We are going to get charged of every crime imaginable if we make that movement happen.

TODD: Hutchinson said Cipollone was concerned that Trump could later be accused of obstructing justice or obstructing the electoral count. Trump ended up not going up to Capitol Hill that day. But Hutchinson said Cipollone issued other dire warnings to Trump and Mark Meadows as the Capitol attack unfolded.

HUTCHINSON: Pat said something to the effect of, and very clearly said this to Mark, something to the effect of, Mark, something needs to be done or people are going to die and the blood is going to be on your effing hands.

TODD: Earlier, Cipollone had reportedly pushed back on other plans by Trump to use the power of the presidency to overturn the 2020 election results. But unlike John Dean, we have not heard from Pat Cipollone. He is appeared for a closed door interview with the House committee investigating January 6th but has not agreed to testify publicly, drawing criticism from the panel's vice chair.

REP. LIZ CHENEY (R-WY): We think the America people deserve to hear from Mr. Cipollone, personally.

TODD: The analysts we spoke to say Cipollone so far hasn't gone out on a limb like Dean did. Former federal prosecutor Shan Wu believes Cipollone should have contacted other Cabinet members about Trump's behavior or should have resigned.

SHAN WU, FORMER FEDERAL PROSECUTOR: I mean, you're the White House counsel, you really have quite a solemn duty to not only advise the president but to protect the Office of the Presidency.

TODD (on-camera): Analysts say one thing that adds to the enormous pressure of being a White House counsel in the middle of a big scandal is that many of them simply don't have the background for it. One legal analyst told us many White House counsels don't come into the job with experience in criminal cases. They're more often trained to deal with policy issues. But when they get thrown into a big scandal and may have to act as a whistleblower in a criminal matter at the White House, that's a different game entirely.

Brian Todd, CNN, Washington.

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DEAN: Brian, thank you. The vice chair of the January 6th Committee, Republican Congresswoman Liz Cheney, is not ruling out a criminal referral for former President Trump.

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JONATHAN KARL, ABC NEWS CORRESPONDENT: So the committee will or will not make a criminal referral?

CHENEY: We'll make a decision as a committee about it.

KARL: So it's possible there will be a criminal referral?

CHENEY: Yes.

KARL: Which would be effectively the committee saying that he should be prosecuted and this is the evidence that we've --

CHENEY: The Justice Department doesn't have to wait for the committee to make a criminal referral. There could be more than one criminal referral.

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DEAN: And joining me now defense attorney and former federal prosecutor Shan Wu and CNN contributor and Trump biographer Michael D'Antonio. He's the author of the book of "High Crimes: The Corruption, Impunity and Impeachment of Donald Trump."

Gentlemen, thanks so much for being here. We appreciate it.

Shan, let's start with you. So much evidence has been presented. What else do you think that people, they would need to hear to move forward with that criminal referral?

WU: Well, I don't really think too much more is needed, but the committee, I think, will hopefully present more evidence of Trump's very specific instructions to people and they've already put out so much about his state of mind. I mean, they've decimated his potential defense of claiming I really thought it was fraudulent, also that he didn't know the mob was dangerous or armed or his cohorts didn't know that.

And also, it's really clear now that his intent was to lead that mob. So at this point I think for the committee it's more of a political question, do they want to make the referral, do they think that might hurt their appearance of being more bipartisan or impartial. But the evidence is certainly there to support a referral. As Miss Cheney said nothing stops the department from undertaking that without a referral.

DEAN: Right. It's almost like they're waiting to see if the DOJ will move forward without them having to send it to them.

Michael, we have seen what happens when someone testifies against Donald Trump. There is immediately this effort to discredit them, as was the case with former Meadows aide Cassidy Hutchinson. Let's take a listen.

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DONALD TRUMP, FORMER PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: This lady, yesterday, there's something wrong with her. Is there something wrong? The woman is living in fantasy land. She's a social climber, if you call that social. She's got serious problems. Let me put it that way, mental problems.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What did you make of FOX News --

TRUMP: But for this girl to sit there and just -- I think just make up -- and again, I hardly know who she is.

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DEAN: Again, Michael, you have written literal books about this. Is this straight out of the Trump playbook?

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MICHAEL D'ANTONIO, DONALD TRUMP BIOGRAPHER: Well, it sure is straight out of the playbook. And I'm reminded of the saying that character is destiny so we're now seeing play out Donald Trump's destiny based on his character and Miss Hutchinson's destiny playing out based on her character and we know that in the wings with Pat Cipollone and we're going to try and see where his character leads him.

So, yes, Donald Trump has always done this and the strange thing is that it has worked for him. It has allowed him to attract only those most loyal people who are afraid of him. It has allowed him to bully people into submission and the funny thing about it or not really funny but the consistent thing about it is that he always uses the same terms. He always says that people are crazy. People are seeking to raise their profile. People are just making up stories.

Well, who does that remind you of? Who does it remind you of when he says someone is making up stories or trying to raise their profile or even being a little bit crazy? Well, I think it reminds us of one former president.

DEAN: It is quite striking, isn't it? Shan, according to the testimony we have heard former White House counsel Pat Cipollone was really a key figure in sounding the alarm about the efforts to overturn the election, and our sources tell us he might agree to a limited transcribed interview. But how does an attorney weigh issues of executive privilege against national interest? What might he be weighing? What might be going through his mind there?

WU: Yes, I really think it's less of a legal weighing that's going on for him, and probably more of a moral or professional consideration. The executive privilege is not his to assert. It would be Trump's or the Office of the President to assert and Trump has little standing to assert that. The courts have ruled against him. It's not that he has zero standing, the Office of the President now, President Biden takes that into consideration.

But for Cipollone, he's already talked to the committee. A lot of what we're hearing that he said to others, such as they could be charged with every crime imaginable, clearly not privileged. He's already spoken about it. So he might try to argue that but it's really Trump's to assert. And the difficulty for the committee is if he raises that, he's got time on his side. And so his defense counsel may be trying to negotiate some sort of deal, possibly even immunity because the committee knows he can really run out the clock on them.

DEAN: Right. Because they are up against, of course, the midterms, right, which is happening in the fall.

Michael, one thing I wanted to ask you about was the description of the former president's outburst in the presidential SUV January 6th. We can listen to that again.

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HUTCHINSON: The president said something to the effect of, I'm the effing president, take me up to the Capitol now. The president reached up towards the front of the vehicle to grab at the steering wheel. Mr. Engel grabbed his arm and said, sir, you need to take your arm off the steering wheel. We're going back to the West Wing. Mr. Trump then used his free hand to lunge towards Bobby Engel.

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DEAN: Does this sound like the Donald Trump that you've covered for all these years, or does this seem more extreme?

D'ANTONIO: Well, it sounds like the person that he imagined himself to be. So this is a fellow who told me that he's the hero in his own comic book, that he loves to fight all kinds of fights, even physical fights. But the record doesn't show that he's really done that. So I think it's unlikely that he would somehow make his way across the Beast and grab the steering wheel, but I think it's the kind of story people would tell about him.

The part that is very credible to me is the idea that he insisted on going to the Capitol himself. Now we can only tremble at the thought of what would have happened if he had done that. I think the outcome would have been very different. But the idea that he imagined being the president that would take over the car, force it to go up to the Capitol, is how he would have thought about himself. But it's not what I expect he did.

DEAN: And we've learned, Michael, that CNN -- CNN has learned that Trump is weighing whether to announce a 2024 run later this month rather than waiting. Do you think after all this testimony, damaging testimony, his strategy would be they're trying to prosecute me out of the race, that that's kind of the excuse we would hear from him?

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D'ANTONIO: I do. I think that he's going to declare sooner rather than later for several reasons. One is that his support remains very strong among the core, among the base of those who are trumpists and he hasn't yet lost the loyalty of many in the Republican Party. At the same time, DeSantis of Florida and former Vice President Mike Pence are making a lot of noise. DeSantis's candidacy is really generating attention, and he has more than $100 million in the bank.

Finally, I think that Trump is thinking there needs to be a change of topic so he wants to repeat 2016 when he dominated every news cycle and forced the networks to cover him. This time around, they may be forced to cover him as a potential subject of prosecution. And that last thing that CNN noted about how he would dare someone to prosecute him as a candidate, I think is very accurate and I wonder if it would be done at all.

DEAN: All right, Michael D'Antonio, and Shan Wu thank you so much, both of you for your expertise. We appreciate it.

Coming up, meet a woman forced to travel out of state to get an abortion after learning her unborn child had severe abnormalities that put her own life at risk. We'll have her story and the concern other women won't be able to get the same care now that Roe v. Wade has been overturned.

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DEAN: Around the world, the overturning of Roe v. Wade in the U.S. has spurred scores of people to protest. In Melbourne, thousands of protesters held signs supporting abortion rights. Like the U.S., Australia's abortion laws vary from state to state, but all states in Australia have decriminalized abortion. And in Paris, thousands of people marched through the streets to show their support for abortion rights in the U.S. Most EU nations including France allow abortion but at different gestation limits.

Just before Roe was overturned, a pregnant woman in Nebraska received the unimaginable news that her unborn child had severe birth defects and that her own life was in danger. When she couldn't find anywhere in her own state to terminate the pregnancy, she and her husband traveled to Colorado. But now that Roe has gone, the option of travel out of state could become even more difficult. CNN's Lucy Kafanov reports

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LUCY KAFANOV, CNN NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT (voiceover): Stephanie Dworak and her husband Dave always wanted a big family, a sibling for their daughter Harper. So when they found out Stephanie was pregnant with a boy last summer, they were overjoyed.

STEPHANIE DWORAK, FORCED TO SEEK ABORTION OUT OF STATE: This is a very wanted child. We planned for this baby.

KAFANOV: But 12 weeks into the pregnancy, an ultrasound revealed an infallible seal, a birth defect where the fetus's internal organs were developing outside the body. This photo shows a defeated Stephanie the day she received the tragic news.

What would that have meant for the quality of life for this baby?

DWORAK: There would have been none. He would not have been able to survive or come home.

KAFANOV: Stephanie was also told her own life could be in jeopardy. At 19 weeks, she and her husband made the painful choice to terminate the pregnancy.

DWORAK: An abortion was what I needed to save my life and give my son the dignity that he deserved. I couldn't carry this baby to term and have my husband have to bury both of us. It just wasn't an option. Abortion was.

KAFANOV: Their home state of Nebraska allowed abortions up to 22 weeks, but they couldn't find a clinic that could schedule the procedure in time. After a desperate search across nearby states, the family settled on the boulder abortion clinic in Colorado.

DR. WARREN HERN, BOULDER ABORTION CLINIC: It's Doctor Hern.

KAFANOV: Dr. Warren Hern has been providing abortions for nearly half a century. He's 84 years old and remembers the days before Roe v. Wade.

HERN: Thousands of women died every year from unsafe illegal abortions. I think one of the consequences of this decision is that women will die as they did before Roe v. Wade.

KAFANOV: In Colorado, abortion is legal at all stages of pregnancy. Even before the Supreme Court's ruling last week, Colorado's family planning clinics were struggling to cope with a surge in out-of-state patients.

HERN: This is sort of an abortion intensive care unit. We get patients from all over the country who can't be seen in other clinics.

KAFANOV: How do you see that impacting the surge of patients coming to Colorado?

HERN: If more than we can absorb. And so it takes a long time to expand the services. You have to find the people who will do this and risked their lives to do it.

KAFANOV: As one of the few people in the country who performs legal abortions later in pregnancy, Dr. Hern says he's seen his patient load increase 50 percent from a year ago and says he's worried too many women won't get the care they need.

HERN: One of the things that is this critical to understand is that safe abortion is an essential component of women's healthcare in the 21st Century and that's the way it should be. And no woman's life and health should be at the mercy of the next election or zip code.

KAFANOV: What's your message to people who say, you know, abortion bans, and especially late-term abortion bans are you know, it's about protecting that child's life?

DWORAK: I would love who says that they were trying to protect my child to look me in the eye and say that he deserves to come into a world where he would have to fight for every breath he took, and be hooked up to drugs for his brief existence.

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DWORAK: How is that pro-life? How is putting my life in danger, pro- life?

KAFANOV: Harper still asks about Oliver James, the name the Dworaks picked out for her would-be brother.

DWORAK: I had to tell her that baby was too sick and that baby wasn't going to come home with us and that she wasn't going to get to meet her little brother.

KAFANOV: His ashes hand and footprints in shrines on the living room shelf.

DWORAK: That we very much want another child but what if this happens again? I was so excited at the idea of a positive pregnancy test and now it scares me. It scares me because I might not be able to get an abortion this time.

KAFANOV: Lucy Kafanov, CNN, Boulder, Colorado.

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DEAN: Coming up, a check of the weather on this busy holiday weekend. We'll be right back.

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DEAN: A chaotic July 4 weekend at airports all across the country after hundreds of flights are canceled again today, thousands are delayed, and as airlines struggle to keep up with increased demand, pilots are bracing for bad weather. Let's get to CNN meteorologist Tom Sater. Tom, what can we expect?

TOM SATER, CNN METEOROLOGIST: Well, Jessica, I mean, for the most part, there have been some weather delays. Overall, it's mainly a staff issue, shortage of pilots, trying to get aircraft to where they need to be, you know the weather is always one of those things they slide in, it's causing problems. But overall, today is not been a bad day.

We had a few storms yesterday in the New England area in the Northeast where we did have some damaging winds. This looks much worse than it is. The areas of green monsoon a seasonal rains that we're seeing that were they needed the Desert Southwest, but it's the southeast. We're getting to that time of day, where I do believe we're going to start to see some delays though. Right now -- (VOICE GAP)

DEAN: And unfortunately, we've lost Tom's microphone there, but thanks to him for giving us that report. Hopefully, the weather cooperates wherever you are.

We also want you to celebrate the Fourth with CNN. Be sure to join in for Coast to Coast fireworks and incredible music from some of the biggest stars. You can celebrate the Fourth in America live, on July 4 at 7 p.m. Eastern only on CNN.

And coming up, a shocking story coming to us out of Egypt where two swimmers died in shark attacks at a Red Sea resort. We're going to bring you the latest from there, live. That's next.

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DEAN: Two swimmers are dead after being bitten by sharks in Egypt's Red Sea. That's according to Egyptian state-run media. A video shows one of the victims being carried by a group of people who saw that attack and then rushed in to help. The deadly attacks happened off the coast of a popular beach resort town. Officials pulled everybody out of the water, they closed the beach after that attack and they also called for an investigation. Shark attacks are rare in Egypt. There hasn't been a death caused by a shark bite since 2018.

In Pakistan, at least 19 people are dead after a passenger bus plunged into a deep ravine. A video of that crash scene shows the bus slid off the side of the mountain and then fell into a ditch. Officials say at least a dozen others were injured. They were rushed to a nearby hospital. It's still unclear what caused that crash.

Let's get back now to CNN meteorologist Tom Sater with a check of your holiday forecast. Tom, we can't go without checking back in with.

SATER: Sure. Well, you know, as I was saying -- I'm not sure what happened. But we're getting to the time of day now, Jessica, that if we do see thunderstorms, delay flights at airports, it's going to be in the next couple of hours and that's mainly the southeastern U.S. Yes, we've got isolated showers in the desert where we need it. But this is what you want to see. We're not seeing any major delays anywhere weather-wise, and it's really been that way the last couple of days, although we had some damaging winds in the New England area and northeast LaGuardia, Teterboro, Newark, that's all offshore now.

But again and when we look at this severe weather, it's not going to be in the Northeast so we're looking good from Boston all the way down to DC. Here's what we've got problems. I wouldn't be surprised to have a severe thunderstorm watch for western areas of North and South Carolina. That means Charlotte could have delays, maybe Raleigh, Atlanta we're starting to see storms getting closer to Hartsfield Jackson airport.

So again, we could have a few delays. In the meantime, heavy rainfall cleared the beaches in Jacksonville. But the real severe weather today is going to be up to the areas to the north, where we've got a watch in effect in southern Montana, some warnings in South Dakota but that's regional flights. The heat is what we're finding on the periphery where the storms tomorrow, same location with a slight toward Chicago.

The biggest issue we've had today is in southern Arkansas. We're up to 10 and a half inches of fall into headwater rescues in the town of El Dorado, looks really good though areas of the East share tomorrow. Still, areas from New Orleans to Atlanta and those areas out west, please be careful not to use the fireworks out west. I mean, the drought situation has been going on for several years. But if you do have them, the skies will be clear across much of the country tomorrow. Jessica.

DEAN: All right, Tom Sater, thanks so much. Jordan Spieth had quite the practice round in Ireland, thanks to some four-legged spectators behind him. Goats have been roaming around that Golf Club in Ireland since the early 1900s. No one seemed concerned though. The pro golfer is currently getting ready for the Scottish open.

Well, what do you do if you're a kid in college when a global pandemic hits and you suddenly get sent home? If you're this week's CNN hero and his friends, you tackle the national food insecurity and hunger crisis. Meet Aidan Riley.

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AIDAN RILEY, CNN HEROES: I spent those first few weeks honestly, in a state of depression. All the plans I've been making the progress were suddenly no longer viable. We ended up seeing an article about farmers having to throw out their food, like mountains of potatoes in someone's backyard or milk just being dumped into the dirt. And we would see lines of people miles and miles long, thousands of cars lining up to get a bag or a box of groceries.

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RILEY: We called up my friends we just said why don't we join forces calling food banks, calling farms? We called a whole bunch like couple of hundred. We quickly put together what was a fully functioning organization with young people, mostly students, average age of 21 volunteering their time when they can to help feed people that they might never meet.

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DENA: And you can go to cnnheroes.com right now. It's an amazing story. I'm Jessica Dean in Washington, thanks again for joining me on this July 4 weekend. The news continues next with Ryan Nobles live after a quick break

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