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Copenhagen Mall Shooting: Several Dead And Three People Injured; January 6 Committee: Multiple Criminal Referral Of Trump; Released Body Cam Video Of Ohio Police In The Fatal Shooting Of Jayland Walker; No Exceptions In South Dakota On Abortion; Governor Newsom Versus Governor DeSantis; Worst Performance Of S&P 500 Since 1970. Aired 5-6p ET

Aired July 03, 2022 - 17:00   ET

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RYAN NOBLES, CNN HOST (voice-over): Police not ruling out terrorism as the motive after several people are killed at a mall in Denmark.

UNKNOWN: They have arrested one person. It's a 22-year-old ethnic Dane, they say. They're still looking for other people. The police chief said a manhunt is ongoing because they just don't know if there are any more people involved.

NOBLES (voice-over): More to come. January 6 investigators teasing new revelations after last week's explosive testimony.

REP. ADAM KINZINGER (R-IL): There will be way more information and stay tuned.

NOBLES (voice-over): And how the next hearing is set to focus on the mob on the mall.

REP. ADAM SCHIFF (D-CA): Who was participating, who was financing it, how it was organized, including the participation of these white nationalist groups.

NOBLES (voice-over): Meantime, Committee Vice Chair Liz Cheney says criminal referrals could be coming and include the former president.

REP. LIZ CHENEY (R-WY): The Justice Department doesn't have to wait for the committee to make a criminal referral. There could be more than one criminal referral.

NOBLES (voice-over): Police in Akron, Ohio released body cam video in the fatal shooting of Jayland Walker.

UNKNOWN: At the time he was shot more than 90 or 60 or whatever the unbelievable number will be, he was unarmed.

NOBLES (voice-over): And red rivalry and blue.

GOV. GAVIN NEWSOM (D-CA): It's Independence Day, so let's talk what's going on in America.

NOBLES (voice-over): Democrat Gavin Newsom versus Ron DeSantis in what could well be a future 2024 matchup.

NEWSOM: Freedom is under attack in your state.

NOBLES (on camera): I'm Ryan Nobles in today for Pamela Brown and you are live in the "CNN Newsroom."

And we begin this hour with news unfolding right now in Copenhagen, Denmark. That's where several people are dead and police are not ruling out terrorism as a motive after a shooting at a busy shopping mall. These are the people who made it out. Now, we're going to show you the moment that's believed to show the panic inside as the shooting started. A warning. Now, what you're about to see is upsetting.

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NOBLES: CNN's Nada Bashir is following the investigation from our London bureau. Nada, what details have police given us and have they caught the suspect yet?

NADA BASHIR, CNN REPORTER: Well, look, Ryan, the police investigation is a truly horrifying incident early today in Copenhagen, is still very much ongoing. We have had confirmed by police officials at this stage is that one individual has been arrested. A 22-year-old Danish man is currently in custody.

Now, according to the head of police in Copenhagen who spoke a little earlier today, there are currently no indications there were other shooters involved in this incident, but police haven't been able to formally rule out the possibility of further suspects involved in the shooting at Field's Mall in Copenhagen. So that is still a very key line of inquiry for police as that investigation continues.

But of course, there is still that tragic news we are learning more details hour by hour, several people confirmed to have been killed in the incident. At least three people confirmed to have been hospitalized, but the details around those injured is still coming in from police officials.

We've heard from hospital officials where these three individuals were taken saying that they had to bring in extra staff to deal with the unfolding emergency. So clearly, this is a very serious ongoing situation. Police say they are maintaining a very heavy presence on the scene as the investigation continues.

This was a Sunday afternoon. A busy area, a shopping mall less than a mile away from this busy shopping center, one of the city's largest concert venues where Harry Stiles had been due to perform. So, this would typically have been a very busy afternoon in the area.

The key question now for police officials as this investigation continues is, of course, what was the motive behind this incident. They haven't been able to formally rule out whether this was terror related. So that is still a key question that we are hoping to learn more from police as they continue to investigate.

But of course, Copenhagen has dealt with gang-related violence in the past. It's also dealt with far-right extremist groups.

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So, there are still several questions around the motive of this attack. This is still very much unclear and of course, very much a key part of that investigation. But of course, we are learning that tragic news of fatalities and injuries and more details are expected to come. Ryan?

NOBLES: Alright, a lot more to learn. Nada Bashir, come back to us when you learn more. Thank you so much.

The January 6 investigation is hotter than July. Today, Vice Chair Liz Cheney said there could be multiple criminal referrals when all is said and done.

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JONATHAN KARL, ABC NEWS HOST: So, the committee will or will not make a criminal referral?

CHENEY: We'll make a decision as a committee about it.

KARL: So, it's possible there will be a criminal referral --

CHENEY: Yes.

KARL: -- which would be effectively the committee saying that he should be prosecuted and this is the evidence that we have uncovered.

CHENEY: The Justice Department doesn't have to wait for the committee to make a criminal referral and there could be more than one criminal referral.

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NOBLES: The other Republican on the committee, Adam Kinzinger, says the testimony of former Mark Meadows' aide, Cassidy Hutchinson, has spurred others to come forward with evidence.

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KINZINGER: Every day we get new people that come forward and say, hey, I didn't think maybe this piece of the story that I knew was important, but now that you guys -- like, I do see this plays in here. But, yes, I mean, look, she is going to go down in history as, I mean, people can forget the names of every one of us on the committee. They will not forget her name. And by the way, she doesn't want that. She doesn't want to be out in the public spotlight, but she has a commitment to truth.

DANA BASH, CNN CHIEF POLITICAL CORRESPONDENT: Will we hear from witnesses that you did not know about with stories you did not hear because of the hearings so far?

KINZINGER: Yes, yes. There will be -- there is -- there will be way more information and stay tuned.

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NOBLES: Stay tuned. This clearly media savvy committee knows the value of a good tease when it comes to the next episode of these hearings.

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SCHIFF: I don't want to get too far ahead of what we intend to present in our next hearings, but our very next hearing will be focused on the efforts to assemble that mob on the mall, who was participating, who was financing it, how it was organized including the participation of these white nationalist groups like the Proud Boys, the Three Percenters and others. And so, we'll be presenting information we have. We haven't answered all the questions that we have. We continue our investigation into precisely the issue you're describing.

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NOBLES: And some of Cassidy Hutchinson's most explosive testimony involves former White House deputy chief of staff Tony Ornato. She said he's the one who told her about Trump lashing out at his security detail on January 6th. The revelation inspired immediate pushback from Team Trump. But this is not the first time Ornato has invited scrutiny. CNN's Tom Foreman has more on concerns about his credibility.

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CASSIDY HUTCHINSON, FORMER AIDE TO WHITE HOUSE CHIEF OF STAFF MARK MEADOWS: The president said something to the effect of I'm the effing president, take me up to the capitol now.

TOM FOREMAN, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Cassidy Hutchinson's story of then President Trump lunging at Secret Service agents January 6 spurred a quick denial from the man she says told her the tale, Tony Ornato.

UNKNOWN: According to the Secret Service source, Ornato was saying that this did not happen.

FOREMAN (voice-over): So, who is Tony Ornato? As a high ranking Secret Service agent, Ornato protected presidents for years. But under Team Trump he was given leave to be elevated to a new, unusual, and powerful role, assistant to the president and deputy chief of staff for operations.

There he oversaw thousands of employees and worked so closely with the president that "The Washington Post" identified him as one of several people tied to the Secret Service facing criticism for appearing to embrace Trump's political agenda.

Some colleagues are also speaking up. A former communications director for Trump, now a CNN commentator, says she warned Ornato of potential problems before this chaotic clash with protesters at the White House in 2020, only to have Ornato deny the conversation ever occurred.

ALYSSA FARAH GRIFFIN, FORMER WHITE HOUSE DIRECTOR OF STRATEGIC COMMUNICATIONS: He's someone I don't -- I know to have been dishonest in the past.

FOREMAN (voice-over): Ornato also disputed talking about moving Vice President Mike Pence from the capitol during the January 6 attack spurring another colleague to tweet, "Tony Ornato sure seems to deny conversations he's apparently had. Those of us who worked with Tony know where his loyalties lie."

For now, Trump is defending Ornato and his service.

DONALD TRUMP, FORMER PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA: These are great people. They've devoted their lives to it.

FOREMAN (voice-over): And blasting the hearing.

TRUMP: And I think they were very embarrassed by it because it makes them sound terrible.

FOREMAN (voice-over): But the January 6 committee, which has spoken with Ornato does not seem as impressed. From one member --

REP. STEPHANIE MURPHY (D-FL): Mr. Ornato did not have as clear of memories from this period of time as I would say Ms. Hutchinson did.

FOREMAN (voice-over): And from another, there seems to be a major thread here. Tony Ornato likes to lie.

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(On camera): CNN has reached out to Ornato for any reply to these claims. So far, the only response has come from the Secret Service saying he is willing to sit under oath and answer questions. We'll just have to see if that actually happens. Tom Foreman, CNN, Washington.

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NOBLES: Tom, thank you. CNN legal analyst Norm Eisen joins me now. He was special counsel in Trump's first impeachment trial and is a former White House ethics czar. So, Norm, thank you so much for being here. Let's first talk about Tony Ornato. He's already testified twice to the January 6 committee and the Secret Service has said that they'll make him available to testify again under oath, but you've called him a fierce Trump partisan. If he did come before the committee, would we expect him to tell the truth?

NORM EISEN, CNN LEGAL ANALYST: Ryan, thanks for having me. He better tell the truth because otherwise he's subject to criminal prosecution for lying to Congress. And what we have now that we did not have before is the detail of Cassidy Hutchinson's recollection. And if I know this committee, Ryan, and I worked in the impeachment

with both the members and some of the staff, they have other cards up their sleeve. So, Ornato we've already heard. Perhaps his memory or his cooperation was not as good as the committee would have liked the first couple times. He had better tell the truth if he shows up again.

NOBLES: Do you suspect that perhaps the committee is interested in a lot more than just this specific incident that Team Trump has taken issue with? It really isn't that significant toward the overall motive of what they're trying to get toward. And that was that Trump was angry and he wanted to go to the capitol. Do they want to get Ornato under oath to ask him questions beyond just that?

EISEN: I'm sure they do, Ryan, because to the extent this has now turned into a swearing contest between Ornato and Cassidy Hutchinson, she didn't just provide 60 seconds of testimony and a yes or no about the details of Trump's anger wanting to march with that armed mob. He knew it was armed heading to the capitol.

Ornato has got to answer all the questions and he had a bird's eye view of a lot that what went on in the White House. And of course, we're rounding in as these hearings proceed to the planning for these events, the possible involvements of those in Trump world, the run-up, the funding, and the organization of January 6, and what happened on January 6th itself. Ornato has got to answer all of those questions and that could be a little uncomfortable for him.

NOBLES: Yes. So, how did last week strengthen the case for legal action against the former president?

EISEN: Well, we got a very important missing link from Cassidy Hutchinson, and that is that President Trump knew the crowd was armed. He had reason to believe the danger that was going to occur. And then Ms. Hutchinson describe how he wanted to march with that crowd, how angry he was when he couldn't go.

And it puts on his tweet a little after 2:00 on the 6th attacking Pence into a whole different light when we know not only that he didn't want to take action, but Ms. Hutchinson heard the conversation between Mr. Meadows, the president's chief of staff, Mr. Cipollone, his White House counsel, that Trump actually agreed with the crowd that was intending harm towards his own vice president.

So, that really creates the miss being link of Trump wanting to see this violence occur and I think it increases his criminal exposure.

NOBLES: I find it fascinating, Norm, having covered this committee from the very beginning that when we initially asked some questions about possible criminal referrals, they always defer, they said they didn't want to talk about it. Now they seem to be really leaning into it and almost daring the Justice Department to indict the former president. Do you think that this public posture that they've taken is on purpose?

EISEN: Ryan, I do. You know, the committee has proven to be very smart in how they have drawn public attention. They started out by saying, oh, it's not our job to prosecute a president, which is true. That's the Justice Department's job. But led by Liz Cheney, they've put on a brilliant prosecution case.

I think they've established state and federal evidence, potential state crimes in Georgia with the 11,000 -- just find 11,780 votes. We heard witnesses on that including from Georgia. The phony electoral certificates, and now the violence. So, I think you have a state and a federal case that is shaping up here and the committee has prosecuted it beautifully.

NOBLES: Alright, Norm Eisen, thank you for being here on a holiday weekend. Enjoy your Independence Day. Thanks again for being here.

EISEN: Thanks, Ryan. Happy 4th.

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NOBLES: And you're in the "CNN Newsroom." Up next, why did so many officers fire so many shots. Police in Akron, Ohio releasing body cam footage of the night Jayland Walker was killed.

And Newsom versus DeSantis in a possible preview of the next presidential election. We'll be right back.

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NOBLES: The mayor of Akron, Ohio is calling for calm as police release body cam footage of the fatal shooting of a 25-year-old black man. Now this is what we know. Just after midnight on Monday, officers tried to stop Jayland Walker for an alleged traffic violation. Now, police say that he led them on a car chase and fired a shot at them. Now, here is some of the body cam footage that was released by Akron police.

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UNKNOWN: Twenty, shots fired. That vehicle just had a shot come out of its door.

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NOBLES: Walker eventually abandoned his car to flee on foot while wearing a ski mask and then a confrontation ensued. Police open fire, shooting Walker multiple times. And a warning, this is disturbing video.

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NOBLES: Officers later discovered that Walker had left his gun in the car and was unarmed when he was shot.

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STEPHEN MYLETT, POLICE CHIEF, AKRON, OHIO: What was going to be a routine traffic stop which would probably result either in a warning or a citation being issued turned into a pursuit. As Mr. Walker turned on to the entrance ramp to Route 8 and the shot is fired, that changes the nature of the contact. Forty seconds after the initiation of the traffic stop, a half a mile from the location of the traffic stop, you hear the gunshot and then everything else that I've just discovered. And again, that changes the whole nature of the traffic stop. It went from being a routine traffic stop to now a public safety issue.

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NOBLES: Joining me now are CNN legal analyst Areva martin and retired LAPD sergeant Cheryl Dorsey. She's also the author of the book, "Black and Blue: Creation of a Social Advocate. Sergeant Dorsey, I want to start with you. We just played the video. You could hear the gunshots on the body cam video. Reports say there could have been up to 60 rounds. Does that seem extreme for a situation like this?

CHERYL DORSEY, RETIRED LAPD SERGEANT: Well, certainly the number in totality seems extreme, 60 shots, but we know that there were several officers who were pursuing Mr. Walker on foot. The question that begs to be asked and answered is how many rounds did each individual officer fire? And so, they're going to have to speak to that.

They're going to have to articulate what was the perception of threat and why was it necessary to fire however many rounds each officer fired. And so, while we heard the police chief say that this could have potentially been a routine traffic stop, you understand, an armed suspect wearing a ski mask is far from routine for officers who are conducting a traffic stop.

NOBLES: And we also see, sergeant, in the video, police using a taser at one point. How do officers make that decision to then to turn to lethal force?

DORSEY: Well, it can happen in an instant. And so, I don't know what they saw or why they thought that there was a need to use a taser and maybe the taser very quickly became ineffective. People don't understand that a taser generally only has two cartridges and once both are expended, you just have a piece of plastic in your hand.

And so, I don't know what all went into the officer's varying very quickly from the use of a taser to the use of deadly force other than the fact that at one point the suspect fired in the officers' direction and could have very well been armed during the foot chase.

NOBLES: So Areva, police showed what they call a shot being fired from the car as it was being pursued, and then they then said that a shell casing was found on the highway. How important will this be in the investigation?

AREVA MARTIN, CNN LEGAL ANALYST: Ryan, I think it's going to be very important because we know the standard set by Tennessee v. Gardner is that basically you don't shoot at a fleeing suspect or an individual unless that individual poses some kind of, you know, substantial harm to the community or perhaps to the police themselves who are following that individual. So, the fact the police believe that there was a shot fired from the

vehicle before Mr. Walker abandoned the car and started running away from the police is going to be used by the police to talk about their state of mind at the time that they used that lethal force.

Obviously, I suspect them to say that because of that shot that was fired from the car, that they still believed he was armed at the time that he started to run away from the police and we also know by the standard set by the Supreme Court, the reasonable officer's perception at the time of the encounter is what's going to be important not looking back, you know, 20/20 hindsight.

So, what was happening at that vehicle I think is going to inform what these police believe to be the case as they were chasing Mr. Walker.

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NOBLES: And Areva, they'll also probably have to compare it to what the procedures are, the policies are, of the Akron Police Department. And the police chief said, that it is standard procedure to separate those involved in a shooting as soon as possible. Why would that be important?

MARTIN: So important, Ryan, because in so many cases that we've seen, think of the Walter Scott case in particular. That officer who shot at a fleeing individual, Walter Scott, was ultimately convicted of second-degree murder and obstruction of justice because he lied about the circumstances surrounding the shooting.

So, separating these officers and giving the investigator an opportunity to talk to each officer individually in many cases will result in the most truthful statement being given and then the question becomes do the officers' statements all agree with each other? Are the officers telling different stories about the encounter? So, a great, you know, policy that is used oftentimes to try to get to the truth of what happened in these kinds of encounters.

NOBLES: Alright, we'll have to leave it there. Areva Martin, Sergeant Cheryl Dorsey, thank you both for being here. We appreciate it.

And you're in the CNN NEWSROOM. A horrific post-Roe reality. A 10- year-old rape victim in Ohio forced to travel to another state for an abortion. The story puts a spotlight on states with total bans and governors who right now are not backing down.

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BVASH: You would be okay with that, a 10-year-old girl having to have a baby?

KRISTI NOEM, GOVERNOR OF SOUTH DAKOTA: No, I'm never okay with that. In fact, that story will keep me up at night.

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NOBLES: State by state, government officials are trying to figure out how to handle abortion now that Roe v. Wade is history. South Dakota Governor Kristi Noem, who is up for re-election, spoke to CNN about her state's abortion ban. It does not allow exceptions for rape or incest. Our Dana Bash asked her if children, like the 10-year-old child abuse victim who traveled from Ohio to Indiana to get an abortion, should be forced to have a child.

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NOEM: Every single life is precious. This tragedy is horrific. I can't even imagine. I've never had anybody in my family or myself gone through anything like this. I can't even imagine, but in South Dakota, the law today is that abortions are illegal except to save the life of the mother.

BASH: And you would be okay with that, a 10-year-old having to have a baby?

NOEM: No, I'm never okay with that. In fact, that story will keep me up at night. It absolutely will.

BASH: So, will you try to change the law to have an exception --

NOEM: It breaks my heart. I'm a mother. I'm a grandmother --

BASH: -- in a situation like this?

NOEM: I got a 1-year-old little granddaughter named (inaudible). I can't even imagine what I would say as I don't believe a tragic situation should be perpetuated by another tragedy.

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NOBLES: CNN's Camila Bernal joins me now from Los Angeles. So, Camila, what else have you been hearing nationwide?

CAMILA BERNAL, CNN COORESPONDENT: Well, look, here's the thing. Everybody is doing something different so, it could get a little bit confusing. But some of these so-called trigger laws went into effect immediately while others, they are really taking some time, but these restrictive abortion laws are in effect or will soon be in states that include Arkansas, Missouri, South Dakota, Wisconsin, and Mississippi.

Now, abortion bans in Wyoming, North Dakota, Idaho, Tennessee and Texas, those are still pending waiting on action by state officials. And in more than a dozen states, there are legal fights under way over abortion bans and extreme limits on this procedure, some of them including Oklahoma, Kentucky, Louisiana and Utah.

And then finally, in addition to the trigger laws, there are a number of states that have dissolved in junctions blocking enforcement of restrictive abortion laws. That includes Alabama, Ohio, and South Carolina. And then Friday in Texas, the state Supreme Court partially granted a request by the attorney general to stay a lower court order by blocking a 1925 abortion ban.

So, that court order allows for civil enforcement of the ban. Now, in contrast, you have other states like here in California, Washington State, Minnesota and Colorado where the right to an abortion is protected. I spoke to a woman who is from Arkansas but she lives here in California. She had an abortion and says she does not regret it, but is worried about her family in other states. Here is what she told me.

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KAYLA ESMOND, HAD AN ABORTION: I thought of the young girls in my family who are 16 -- 15, 16, the teenagers in my family who still live in Texas, they still live in Arkansas where my family is. I thought of them and I reminded myself that I have not failed them until I give up. And I decided to keep fighting and I'm going to keep fighting because it matters and it's important.

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BERNAL: And we've been in touch with activists here in California who say they, too, are going to keep fighting for women in other states and all of this while we prepare or a lot of these activists prepare here in California for an influx of women coming to seek an abortion here. So, a lot of it is changing and a lot of it is different. All of it, though, along party lines. Ryan?

NOBLES: Alright, Camila Bernal in Los Angeles. Camila, thank you for that.

You're in the CNN NEWSROOM. And still ahead, the Golden State governor takes on the Sunshine State governor. New CNN reporting on why California's Gavin Newsom is launching an attack ad on Florida's Ron DeSantis, that's next.

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NOBLES: California's Democratic Governor Gavin Newsom is out with a new attack ad in his bid for re-election. But it's not running in California. Instead, it's going to air thousands of miles away in Florida. Its target? Fellow presidential prospect and rising GOP political star Governor Ron DeSantis.

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NEWSOM: Freedom, it's under attack in your state. Republican leaders, they're banning books, making it harder to vote, restricting speech in classrooms, even criminalizing women and doctors. I urge all of you living in Florida to join the fight or join us in California.

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NOBLES: This is fascinating. CNN's Isaac Dovere broke the story along with CNN's Steve Contorno. Isaac, what's Newsom doing here? What is the point?

EDWARD-ISAAC DOVERE, CNN SENIOR REPORTER: He says that what he is doing is not running for president, but what he's trying to do is get his party to wake up and to be much more aggressive. He said to me the rules of engagement have changed and that here needs to be a different approach the Democrats take to dealing with Republicans.

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He says Ron DeSantis is the target here because Ron DeSantis is the poster child for what Republicans are becoming and what it is in a post-Trump politics. He said we're as different as daylight and darkness to me, and he really wants to draw that contrast out and do it as aggressively as possible.

NOBLES: I mean, it's pretty fascinating that Newsom, you know, not too long ago, was facing a recall challenge. He's obviously come out of this even more politically emboldened that he can feel confident enough to run ads in Florida during his own re-election bid. So how is DeSantis responding to all of this?

DOVERE: Well, DeSantis' response is, while he can light money on fire if that's what he wants to do, but Newsom is doing this in a very deliberate way. The ad is airing on Fox. It's airing on July 4th. It is very focused on the idea of freedom, of redefining the term into something that Democrats should be talking about again.

He says -- he told me when we spoke last week that he's worried that Republicans are winning in defining the terms of the debate and they're winning in what's going on here and he wants to grab that back, but you're right. A year ago, right now he was facing a recall and in a lot of trouble. Now, things are very different for him.

NOBLES: And also, probably doesn't hurt that it gets us talking about it as well.

DOVERE: Right. Obviously.

NOBLES: Which is also more of than a strategy. So, obviously, now everybody is thinking is this all about 2024, which is interesting to think about it because conventional wisdom would say that the front- runners are Donald Trump and Joe Biden not these two other guys. But is this about 2024? Are we seeing kind of the first salvos in that potential battle in a couple of years?

DOVERE: Well, look, it certainly would feel like if Newsom weren't going out of his way to say no, no, no, anytime anybody asked, including me. He says that's not what this is. But Ron DeSantis, of course, he said, it does look like he's running for president and there's a lot of thinking that DeSantis could be angling to be the alternative to Trump out there.

There is a big fight going on here between the Florida view of the world, the Ron DeSantis view of the world, and the Gavin Newsom view of the world and the California view of the world. And so, is that the future of the party? Is this going to be 2024 or 2028, a little preview here? Maybe.

But for right now, it's Gavin Newsom deciding to spend $100,000, not a huge amount of money in the context of a re-election campaign to advertise in Florida.

NOBLES: I mean, there's got to be a lot of activists. I mean, I think both Republican and Democrat, though they might be frustrated with the idea, that the two potential leading candidates not named Trump and Biden are both white men. I mean, wouldn't there be the hope that there'd be a little bit more diversity both Republican and Democrat?

DOVERE: And you see a lot of other diversity that is out there in the ranks of both parties actually at this point, right? But there is a lot of interest in both of these players as potential leaders of the party. And I think it's because it's not just who they are or who they are demographically, but what they are leading, what they are representing out of the country.

Ron DeSantis has a very clear governing agenda and Gavin Newsom has a very clear governing agenda. They do not match up at all. And in a country that is divided and trying to figure out which one we are going for, you see in a lot of ways we're deciding between a Newsom style, California style approach, or what is the DeSantis/Florida style approach.

NOBLES: Wow. It is fascinating and obviously a lot to play out here the next couple of years. But Isaac, thank you so much for breaking that story and being here on a Sunday. We appreciate it.

You are in the "CNN Newsroom." Got patriotic plans to celebrate Independence Day, and how well would you do on a citizenship test? Harry Enten is here to run the numbers with a Fourth of July theme. There he is, looking good as always. That's coming up next.

Also ahead, get ready for coast-to-coast fireworks and incredible music from some of the biggest stars. Harry not singing, don't worry about that. Celebrate "The Fourth in America" live tomorrow starting at 7:00 p.m. eastern.

And Wall Street is closed for the Fourth of July holiday, but there's still a lot going on this week in the markets. CNN's chief business correspondent Christine Romans has our "Before the Bell" report. Hey, Christine.

CHRISTINE ROMANS, CNN CHIEF BUSINESS CORRESPONDENT: Hi, Ryan. The second half of the trading year kicks off in earnest this week following the worst for the S&P 500 since 1970. The S&P fell more than 20 percent during the first six months of the year. The biggest investor concerns of 2022, of course, red-hot inflation and that the Federal Reserve's aggressive rate hikes will push the U.S. economy into a recession.

Everyone watching for signs of a slowing economy. Last week, first quarter GDP was revised lower contracting at an annual rate of 1.6 percent. In May, consumer spending adjusted for inflation, fell for the first time this year, but the job market remains strong. On Friday, we get the June jobs report. Economists predict the economy

added 295,000 jobs back while the unemployment rate should remain steady at 3.6 percent. That would be a robust but slower pace of hiring and many experts say a cooling jobs market is necessary to tame sky high inflation.

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Keep in mind, it's a short week on Wall Street. U.S. Markets are closed Monday for July 4th. In New York, I'm Christine Romans.

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NOBLES: Millions of Americans are enjoying a long holiday weekend, but not CNN's senior data reporter Harry Enten or me for that matter. He's here to run the numbers. So, Harry, how are most people spending this weekend other than those of us sitting in a television studio.

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HARRY ENTEN, CNN SENIOR DATE REPORTER: Yes. I was going to say they're not spending it talking to one another across cities on television. They're relaxing for one thing. They asked the poll question, 36 percent say they're staying home and relaxing, 29 percent family get- together. That's where I am headed to after this. A cookout picnic at 28 percent. Nineteen percent say they're watching T.V., not sports. Maybe they're watching us, Ryan. Wouldn't that be nice. A lovely, you know, we can all get together afterwards. Maybe we can get a picture of a cookout, picnic and we can spend it while people are actually outside and we're stuck here in a studio together. But that's still lovely.

NOBLES: Nineteen percent, that's actually a pretty strong number. That's more than I would have predicted. So, July 4th is a day to celebrate America, but what are Americans saying about patriotism right now?

ENTEN: Yes. This to me is an interesting question that came up from Gallup, which essentially asked how proud are you to be an American? And, you know, they group it in different ways, but if you put together the extremely and very proud, 65 percent, which is not, you know, you wouldn't think as a necessarily a low number.

But look at the trend line going back over the last two decades. You can essentially see that essentially, successively every five years you see this drop. And so back in 2002, 91 percent of Americans said they were extremely very proud to be an American after the 9/11 attack. And now we're just down to 65 percent.

And if you even break it down further, among the -- who say they're extremely proud to be an American, that is south of 40 percent. I believe it's 38 percent in the poll. That is the lowest that Gallup has measured the entire 21st century. So, patriotism high, but not as high as it used to be.

NOBLES: Not a very hopeful trend, to say the least. There is also an interesting poll asking Americans how much they actually know about their country. How did they do?

ENTEN: Yes. So, I'm going to actually flip this around on you, Ryan. We're going to have a fun little quiz here.

NOBLES: Oh, boy.

ENTEN: I was surprised at how many could not, you know, answer a number of questions on the citizenship practice. So, I want to see if you can answer a few or them.

NOBLES: Oh, boy.

ENTEN: So, let's see what we can do here. Don't worry. We're going to hold hands together. It's going to be a wonderful time.

NOBLES: Okay. I am worried.

ENTEN: So, we are -- don't be too worried. So, I had to ask you, which three were among the original 13 states? Was it Washington, Oregon and California? New York, Kentucky and Georgia, Virginia, North Carolina and Florida, or Maryland, Virginia and North Carolina. Which three were among the original 13 states. The floor is yours, my friend.

NOBLES: I'd say the last one, Maryland, Virginia and North Carolina.

ENTEN: Maryland, Virginia and North Carolina is in fact the correct answer.

NOBLES: Look at that! Yes.

ENTEN. So, let's move. You did it. You did it.

NOBLES: One for one.

ENTEN: I think that might have been the hardest one. Okay.

NOBLES: I might not going to have my citizenship revoked, am I?

ENTEN: Alright. Here's the second one.

NOBLES: I am a little concerned about that, but yes, okay.

ENTEN: I'm not too worried, although perhaps we can have a call with the federal government afterwards. Alright. Who wrote the Declaration of Independence? Was it James Madison, Thomas Jefferson, Abraham Lincoln, or George Washington? Please, get this right, Ryan.

NOBLES: Thomas Jefferson.

ENTEN: Put it up on the screen.

NOBLES: Yes.

ENTEN: Yes!

NOBLES: Thomas Jefferson's coming home. ENTEN: That's big.

NOBLES: Yes.

ENTEN: Thomas Jefferson is coming home. You should know that. And I knew it from the John Adams movie of nothing else. Great docu-drama from our friends at HBO.

NOBLES: Great. Great. Great.

ENTEN: Alright, final one.

NOBLES: I got to get this.

ENTEN: How many voting members in the House of Representatives? If you don't get this right, Ryan, this is a real problem given your job. Is it 200 -- 441, 100 or 435?

NOBLES: I think I would lose the title of congressional correspondent if I didn't answer 435.

ENTEN: Yes! He did it, folks! He gets to keep his job. But I have a bonus question for you, Ryan. This is the key bonus question. Alright. Which NFL team plays its home games in the state of New York. Please, God, get this right. Oh my god.

NOBLES: Harry Enten, you and I both know there is only one NFL football team in the state of New York and that is the Buffalo Bills. The soon to be Super Bowl champions.

ENTEN: There it is! Correct. He goes four for four. And right, if the Buffalo Bills don't win the Super Bowl this year, they may never do it. Please, God I just ask for one thing every year, a Buffalo Bill Super Bowl, please.

NOBLES: Harry, if they're in the Super Bowl this year, you, Wolf Blitzer and I are going to be there, I promise you that. We're going to make that happen.

ENTEN: I consider it a date. I am marking it in my invisible calendar right now. You're a beautiful man, Ryan Nobles, and it was a pleasure spending July 3rd with you, my friend.

NOBLES: Likewise, Harry Enten. Happy Fourth of July. Thank you so much for being here. We appreciate it.

ENTEN: You, too, buddy. Proud to be an American.

NOBLES: Alright. And check out Harry's podcast, "Margins of Error" on your podcast app or at CNN.com/audio. We'll be right back.

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NOBLES: In Australia, thousands of people were ordered to evacuate. Part of Sydney went up to a foot of rain triggered flooding that swallowed neighborhoods. The rains also caused Sydney's main dam to overflow.