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Battle For Lysychansk Intensifies In Eastern Ukraine; U.S. Investigates Death Of Journalist Shireen Abu Akleh; Jayland Walker Death; Extreme Weather Complicates Travel July 4 Weekend; January 6 Hearings; Global Energy Crisis. Aired 5-6a ET

Aired July 03, 2022 - 05:00   ET

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KIM BRUNHUBER, CNN ANCHOR AND CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Hello and welcome to all of you watching us here in the United States, Canada. I'm Kim Brunhuber.

Fierce fighting in Ukraine. It's described as, quote, "on fire." Live in Kyiv for the details.

Hundreds of flights canceled on both sides of the Atlantic. Not just the weather to blame.

And the state of Ohio is bracing for more protests, after a Black man is shot multiple times by police. Body camera footage is set to be released later today.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE (voice-over): Live from CNN Center, this is CNN NEWSROOM with Kim Brunhuber.

BRUNHUBER: Ukrainian military official in the Luhansk region says Russian forces are entrenched in Lysychansk. He describes the city as being on fire. It's one of the few places still under Ukrainian control in the Donbas.

Ukraine says fierce fighting is ongoing and denies claims by Russia that the city is surrounded. In the Black Sea, Snake Island is once again under Ukrainian control. Ukraine's military claim they destroyed some of the equipment Russians left behind.

Volodymyr Zelenskyy said it will take $600 billion to rebuild his country after the war. The government will present its vision for postwar reconstruction. He's urging Ukrainians not to give up.

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VOLODYMYR ZELENSKYY, UKRAINIAN PRESIDENT (through translator): No matter how difficult it is for us today, we must remember that there will be tomorrow. And tomorrow should bring maximum benefits to Ukraine. Everyone should do absolutely everything possible for this. (END VIDEO CLIP)

BRUNHUBER: CNN's Scott McLean joins us live from the Ukrainian capital.

Let's start with the latest from the front lines.

SCOTT MCLEAN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: It is not looking good for really either side right now. The battle for Lysychansk is reaching its climax. The Ukrainians say the city is on fire, the Russians have entrenched themselves.

They also dispute the claim from the separatist militia that Russian forces are in control. The Ukrainians said they managed to successfully fire on and destroy an military equipment convoy or column just outside of the city.

They say the Russians had sustained really heavy losses in this battle for Lysychansk. Caught in this are potentially thousands of innocent civilians, who have been confined to their basements. It is far too dangerous to attempt to leave the city. They also suspect routes in and out of the city have been mined.

Lysychansk is the last major city that is left in Luhansk that hasn't been taken by Russians. If the Russians have taken it or will take it, it means they'll effectively be in control of the entire region.

Meanwhile, the Belarusian president said Ukraine fired missiles in its direction. They say Belarusian forces were able to strike them down.

This comes at the same time Russians are claiming that there were a series of explosions across the Belgorod region, which destroyed houses, damaged apartment buildings and killed three people and injured others, including a child.

Now these types of explosions have been happening over the last few months, usually targeting military installations, fuel depots, things like that. The Ukrainians have never, officially, though, claimed responsibility for any of them.

BRUNHUBER: Scott, so turning now to reconstruction and the Lugano conference.

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BRUNHUBER: They're billing this as a path to a Marshall Plan for Ukraine.

What is President Zelenskyy realistically hoping to get?

MCLEAN: Yes, he's going to need a lot of pledges of support because the task of rebuilding his country is an absolutely enormous one.

This conference has been held for the last couple of years but it's had a different focus. Usually it is focused on reforms in the Ukrainian system, to try to bring its democracy up to snuff. Many have said corruption has often gotten in the way of Ukraine's development as a country and really held it back.

So they've tried to address some systems in the country. This year, given the obvious need and given the Russian invasion, they're focused on rebuilding the country. And as I said, it's going to need a lot of work.

Case in point, we were in a suburb just outside of Kyiv, which was home to some of the fiercest battles in the early days. Even today, a few months after the Russians vacated and pulled back from that area, you would be hard-pressed to find really any buildings that don't have some kind of damage from the war.

Some were hit with shelling, gunfire, you name it, there's all kinds of damage throughout the city. People are coming back, there are signs of life. But there's a massive amount of work to do that won't be finished anytime soon.

One example is an apartment building that looks from the outside that it's destroyed. Amazingly, some people are living in it and some of the apartments that weren't quite badly damaged or weren't damaged at all. But the entire top floor is ripped off of that building. Effectively it has no roof.

They're trying to figure out how to get the money to rebuild the roof so they don't have to deal with damp, mold, all of those issues. But given the difficulty finding building materials, home builders, most people don't have home insurance, it is going to be difficult without a lot of help from abroad.

BRUNHUBER: You paint the exact picture of the need. Scott McLean, live in Kyiv, thanks so much.

The death toll is climbing in the war as Russian missiles hit a residential building and recreational center near Odessa. It killed at least 21, including a child, and injured at least 40. The building is torn apart and debris is strewn across the ground.

Ukraine's president says Russia is conducting terrorism against his country by targeting cities and civilians.

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VOLODYMYR ZELENSKYY, UKRAINIAN PRESIDENT (through translator): Three missiles hit an ordinary residential building, in which no one hid any weapons, military equipment or ammunition. As Russian propagandists and officials always tell about such strikes.

I emphasize this is a deliberate, purposeful Russian terror, not some mistake or an accidental missile strike.

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BRUNHUBER: The Kremlin denies targeting civilian areas. But the attacks near Odessa comes days after Russia attacked a mall. A regional prosecutor says these have all the signs of a war crime. CNN's Salma Abdelaziz spoke with him near the site earlier this week. (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

SALMA ABDELAZIZ, CNN CORRESPONDENT (through translator): "We're investigating the site of the blast," he says.

"We have removed fragments of the rocket and we will examine its trajectory. We created a group of investigators that include the police and security service. And we, as prosecutors, coordinate their activities.

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BRUNHUBER: In the last hour I spoke with a human rights attorney and head of the civil rights center in Ukraine. I asked her about what types of war crimes Russians are alleged to have committed. Here's what she told me.

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OLEKSANDRA MATVIICHUK, KYIV-BASED HUMAN RIGHTS LAWYER: The first trial was conducted on the Russian soldiers in Kyiv. And now such crimes of individual cases we observe in different regions of Ukraine.

And the most cases is accusation in deliberate destroying objects. For example, in Chernihiv, a member of Russian tank brigade, he is accused of deliberate shelling on residential buildings. Or they are accused in deliberate offenses against civilians.

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BRUNHUBER: Our thanks to Oleksandra Matviichuk for speaking with us.

The Palestinian Authority turned over the bullet that killed a journalist.

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BRUNHUBER: Shireen Abu Akleh was beloved across the region for her fearless reporting. Hadas Gold is in Jerusalem.

There were some questions over exactly how this examination will be carried out and by whom.

What more can you tell us?

HADAS GOLD, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Nearly two months after Shireen Abu Akleh was killed, we're getting closer to finding out who may have killed her.

Yesterday the Palestinian Authority announced they would give the bullet to the Americans for examination. They also say they received many guarantees, they said, that the Israelis would not be given the bullet.

The Israelis had been asking the Palestinians to conduct a joint investigation but the Palestinians said they would not do it because they don't trust the Israelis.

The IDF spokesperson says the Israelis were actually conducting an investigation into the bullet but it would be in the presence at all times of the Americans, including a three star general.

But he did say it was going to be an Israeli investigation. The Israelis say they could get the results as soon as today that reveal which gun fired the fatal shot. So far we've been asking the U.S. embassy and the State Department. They say they don't have any further requests.

We also have requests out to the Palestinian Authority about how that investigation is being conducted. We also have to keep in mind the timing of when this is all happening. There is a new prime minister now in Israel, Yair Lapid, who just took over last week.

And in less than two weeks, U.S. President Joe Biden will arrive to the region. It's hard to ignore the timing of all of this happening, of when this bullet was actually handed over and all of the events that are happening in the region.

BRUNHUBER: We'll keep following to see whether we get those results later today. Hadas Gold, thank you so much.

Authorities in Akron, Ohio, brace for more protests over the killing of a Black motorist.

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BRUNHUBER (voice-over): The protests began last week after 25-year- old Jayland Walker was gunned down while fleeing a traffic stop. In the coming hours, Akron city officials will release body camera footage of the shooting. CNN's Polo Sandoval says the details released so far raise more questions than answers.

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POLO SANDOVAL, CNN NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: One of the key questions being asked in Akron is, what were Jayland Walker's alleged actions that provoked a hail of gunfire from police officers?

I had opportunity to speak to an attorney representing the Walker family. He told me he has had a chance to actually review some of the police body camera video that is expected to be released on Sunday.

And he told me that what he saw was, quote, "indescribable" and also an unspeakable event.

Akron police saying this started shortly after midnight Monday, when police officers tried to carry out a traffic stop.

They say the driver of a vehicle then fled and, at one point, police officers say they reported firearms, at least one firearm being discharged from inside this vehicle, before the occupant then essentially fled on foot, starting a foot chase.

At that point is when investigators say there were actions by the suspect involved that caused officers to perceive that he posed a threat. And that's when several of these officers opened fire.

The family's attorney telling me that they understand that there were multiple, dozens and dozens of shots that were fired by police officers. A preliminary autopsy that they say they've been able to see shows as many as 60 wounds on Walker's body.

However, they also made clear that it will be up to the coroner's office to find out whether or not those are bullet entry or exit wounds or a combination of both.

Meanwhile, this community is coping with what happened on Monday, with demonstrators peacefully taking to the street, asking for -- demanding justice and action. Over the weekend, I had an opportunity to speak to Bobby DiCello, one of the attorneys representing the Walker family.

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BOBBY DICELLO, WALKER FAMILY ATTORNEY: The use of guns or the presence of guns does not give to an officer to carte blanche, to just shoot until the guy stops moving or shoot until he runs -- while he's running away. That is not how it works. You can't drop him and seize his body with bullets.

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SANDOVAL: Ahead of Sunday's release of that police body camera video, we know city officials have taken actions to guarantee the safety of many downtown.

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SANDOVAL: They've even staged equipment throughout the city to potentially close off some vehicle traffic here.

As for 4th of July festivities, one festival in particular, it's actually been canceled by city officials. Akron's mayor saying it is not the right time to have a city-led celebration. I heard over the weekend from many people taking to the streets, who would certainly agree -- Polo Sandoval, CNN, Akron, Ohio.

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BRUNHUBER: It's a chaotic weekend for travel so far. Coming up, why thousands of flights have been canceled or delayed in the U.S. Plus severe storms could threaten some plans.

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BRUNHUBER: This 4th of July holiday weekend may be the busiest since the pandemic. AAA predicts more than 3.5 million people will be flying this long weekend.

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BRUNHUBER: But bad weather and staffing shortages have caused problems. More than 650 flights were canceled on Saturday. Delta pilots are pushing for more pay and they say they're exhausted.

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JASON AMBROSI, DELTA AIR LINES PILOT ASSOCIATION: It's been over a year now where we've been pressed to the limit of flying as much as they possibly can, more time away from our families. Out there trying to get our passengers to their destination.

It just can't be sustained at this level. The pilots are getting fatigued, quite honestly. They're making a tough safety call at times to say, I'm putting my hand in the air. I'm tired. No pilot wants to do that. No pilot wants to strand their passengers or fellow crew members, when they want to get where they're going. But it's a safety issue.

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BRUNHUBER: AAA is predicting 42 million people will be driving this weekend. More than 3.5 million people flying, as we said.

CNN's Anna Stewart has more on the mess travelers are finding at the airports around the world.

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ANNA STEWART, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Pilots on strike, airline staff protesting and walking off the job. Long queues of passengers trying to make their flights, some camping out in terminals, as delays and cancellations pile on.

At several airports across Europe and the U.S., staff shortages, fuel prices and weather are causing chaos on one of the year's busiest travel weekends.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They canceled my flight as I'm boarding the plane. And now I'm still trying to find a way to get home right now. And I cannot even get home. I've been here since yesterday, since 3:05.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I had a flight issue. And now I'm trying to re- book but the price is ridiculously super high.

STEWART (voice-over): In the U.S., travel ahead of the July 4th holiday has rebounded to pre-pandemic levels. But air transportation is still struggling to keep up. On Friday, more than 500 flights were canceled and more than 7,800 delayed across the country, according to flight tracking site FlightAware. Thousand more were delayed or canceled Saturday and it follows a trend

of travel woes this year. So far in 2022, most major U.S. airlines have canceled far more flights compared to averages in the same period between 2017 and 2019.

Airlines straining to meet surging post-pandemic demand, with resources and staff stretched thin. On Thursday, Delta pilots picketed at major hubs over schedules and pay. While the protests weren't expected to affect operations, discontent among airline staff was felt across continents.

Demonstrations by airport personnel at France's Charles de Gaulle International Airport in Paris disrupted travel this weekend.

FABRICE CRIQUET, SECRETARY, FOURCE OUVRIERE LABOUR UNION (through translator): They slashed thousands of jobs at Paris airports in the pandemic. But air traffic is coming back now.

We are stretched so thin and, on top of, that they refused to increase salaries or they're giving us ridiculous pay increases, compared to the wages they cut during the pandemic.

STEWART (voice-over): Amid peak travel season in Europe, crews of major airliners easyJet and Ryanair are also staging strikes this weekend after cabin crew unions in Belgium, Spain, Portugal, France and Italy led walkouts last weekend.

In both the U.S. and Europe, air transport workers are demanding better working conditions and higher wages as soaring inflation causes steep prices in the cost of living. For travelers, that inflation is also driving up the cost of flights. Fares for some routes this weekend have more than tripled, compared to the same weekend last year.

Across the U.S. and Europe, the rising prices, combined with personnel shortages and staff discontent, are creating a weekend of travel mayhem as the air industry stumbles to keep up in a post pandemic world -- Anna Stewart, CNN.

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BRUNHUBER: And traveling isn't the only challenge this holiday weekend. Heavy rain could dampen some celebrations.

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BRUNHUBER: The U.S. Supreme Court abortion ruling is polarizing Americans. Coming up, we'll look at how the White House plans to take the abortion fight to the polls.

Plus some of the most explosive testimony we've heard from the January 6th committee so far, now backed up by sources inside the Secret Service. Stay with us.

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BRUNHUBER: Welcome back to all of you watching us here in the United States, Canada and around the world, I'm Kim Brunhuber. This is CNN NEWSROOM.

More than a week after the Supreme Court overturned Roe v. Wade, many Americans are furious, as states move swiftly to end all abortions, while others push back in an effort to preserve a right to choose. On Saturday, Vice President Kamala Harris addressed this at the Essence Festival in New Orleans.

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KAMALA HARRIS (D), VICE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: The Supreme Court, with the Dobbs decision, for the first time in our nation took a constitutional right that had been recognized and took it from the women of America, took a constitutional right.

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BRUNHUBER: Some states have wasted no time in moving forward on antiabortion laws. The Texas Supreme Court cleared the way for a nearly 100 year old ban to take effect.

They reversed a lower court order that had temporarily blocked the law. For a short while, abortions up to six weeks were allowed but not anymore. Here's a look at where such restrictions are in place, states where such actions are likely, those that are in limbo and where abortion is legal for now.

As protests continue across the U.S., there are echoes across the world. Marchers in Paris denounced the Supreme Court's decision and the White House isn't shying away from the politics that led to the overturning of Roe v. Wade. CNN's Arlette Saenz has more.

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ARLETTE SAENZ, CNN CORRESPONDENT: The White House is trying to keep abortion front and center just one week after the Supreme Court overturned Roe versus Wade. Vice President Kamala Harris was the latest messenger waging that fight this weekend as she spoke at the Essence Festival, one of the largest annual gatherings of Black women in the country.

She talked about the serious implications of this ruling and told Americans not to become disheartened by this decision. Harris also talked further about the implications that this ruling will have in the country.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) KAMALA HARRIS (D), VICE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: What essentially has happened is the statement has been made that the government has a right to come in your home and tell you, as a woman and as a family, what you should do with your body.

We also know that we have had a history in this country of government trying to claim ownership over human bodies.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Exactly. Yes, that is right.

HARRIS: And we have supposedly evolved from that time and that way of thinking. So this is very problematic on so many levels.

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SAENZ: For his part, President Biden hosted a virtual meeting of nine Democratic governors here at the White House on Friday, to talk about the steps those states are taking to try to protect access to abortion in their states.

The Biden administration has talked about the steps they are trying to take on the federal level, including trying to ensure that women are protected and able to cross state lines to obtain an abortion as well as trying to expand access to medication abortion.

The White House has not outlined any executive actions that President Biden himself might take. But he did have a significant change in rhetoric when he called for the elimination of the filibuster. That's a threshold that requires 60 votes in order to pass legislation up on Capitol Hill.

President Biden has now said that he believes there should be a carveout specifically when it comes to abortion and other privacy rights. But he has also been clear-eyed in acknowledging that they don't have the votes up on Capitol Hill to do exactly that.

So what he has now urged voters to do is to head to the polls in November and elect Democrats, who would vote to codify Roe v. Wade into law.

But one big question going forward is how big of an impact abortion will have in those November elections, as so many Americans have the economy and inflation at the top of their minds heading to the ballot box this coming fall -- Arlette Saenz, CNN, the White House.

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BRUNHUBER: As we mentioned, the White House ruling has sparked outrage beyond the U.S.

This was the scene in Paris on Saturday. Hundreds of abortion rights supporters holding signs, chanting as they marched toward the Eiffel Tower.

A similar scene in Melbourne, Australia, thousands protesting the overturning of Roe v. Wade. More fallout from this week's blockbuster hearing before the January

6th committee.

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BRUNHUBER: Former White House aide Cassidy Hutchinson revealing some of Donald Trump's actions during the leadup to and in the attack on the Capitol. New information corroborates some of the most stunning testimony. CNN's Katelyn Polantz has more.

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KATELYN POLANTZ, CNN SENIOR CRIME AND JUSTICE REPORTER: We are almost a week out from this bombshell testimony that Cassidy Hutchinson delivered on Capitol Hill about Donald Trump on January 6 and the bottom line here is that testimony is holding up.

So I want to walk through how this played out over the past week. So Hutchinson testified in one of the instances that she spoke about that a White House deputy chief of staff named Tony Ornato told her that, on January 6, Donald Trump was so irate about not being able to go to Capitol Hill with his supporters, whom he knew could be violent, were armed, that he grabbed at the steering wheel inside the presidential SUV and lunged at a Secret Service agent there.

So that is what Hutchinson says she was told. She said this under oath. And when she was testifying this past week, she also said that she learned this story in front of the agent who was lunged at and that he didn't correct it. He even was a little bit discombobulated at the time because of this episode with Trump.

After her testimony, there was a bit of this that was disputed, not the part about Donald Trump wanting to go to Capitol Hill and being angry that he couldn't but there was a Secret Service official, who denied that Trump had lunged in the SUV and that Tony Ornato had told Cassidy Hutchinson this story.

And there has been an effort to discredit her, including by Donald Trump himself, following her testimony.

But now, we have two Secret Service sources telling my colleague, Noah Gray, that this story that Cassidy Hutchinson recounted, it indeed was a story circulating among the Secret Service after January 6, that Trump was so angry about not being able to go to the Capitol that he was parading the Secret Service agents protecting him. And he did lunge over the seat.

So here we have this corroboration that this story was out there. And Cassidy Hutchinson is going on Capitol Hill, explaining that under oath to the House Select Committee -- Katelyn Polantz, CNN, Washington.

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BRUNHUBER: In Texas, embattled Uvalde schools police chief Pete Arredondo has resigned from his city council post. He's faced intense public scrutiny and criticism over the delayed police response to the school shooting in May that left 19 children and two teachers dead.

Arredondo had been elected to the city council just weeks before the massacre.

Arredondo wrote this in his resignation letter, quote, "It is in the best interest of the community to step down as a member of the city council, to minimize further distractions."

There were also growing calls for him to resign from his position, of course, as the school district police chief. Earlier, a reporter for "The Texas Tribune" spoke to CNN about the public's negative view of Arredondo.

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ZACH DESPART, "THE TEXAS TRIBUNE": From our conversations with residents of Uvalde, the past month, really since the shooting, many of them had expressed disappointment in Arredondo's conduct during the shooting and expressed disappointment that the city has not been forthcoming and releasing records about what happened.

So many of them today were grateful that finally chief Arredondo had stepped down from his position on city council. Of course, many of them also want him to step down from his actual full-time, job which is the police chief of the schools police department.

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BRUNHUBER: It was just last week that Arredondo was placed on leave from that job but he does still officially hold the position. CNN has reached out to Arredondo's attorney for comment.

The 1970s gas shortage fueled an economic crisis and panic. When we come back, look at how that time period compares to today.

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BRUNHUBER: Consumers around the world are feeling the pain at the gas pump, including record high prices in some countries.

According to AAA, some 42 million Americans are expected to hit the road over the weekend as gasoline prices are averaging $4.81 per gallon. Compare that to last year's average at $3.12 per gallon, that's $1.70 more. President Joe Biden continues to blame Russia for the rising prices. Here he is.

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JOE BIDEN (D), PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: The bottom line is ultimately, the reason why gas prices are up is because of Russia. Russia, Russia, Russia.

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BRUNHUBER: A distant conflict leading to a sharp increase in gas prices adding to the highest inflation seen in years making everything more expensive and no one seems to know how bad it will get, much less when it will end.

For people old enough to remember, it's starting to feel a lot like the '70s. Back then, the first energy crisis was brought on by OPEC; the second when the Iranian revolution led to a drop in oil production. Each event led to sharp increases in petroleum prices and spikes in inflation.

Here in the U.S., that was more than 11 percent in 1974. Each crisis also saw new efforts aimed at preventing it again, including developing domestic energy sources and the creation of the Strategic Petroleum Reserve. Yet here we are.

Let's bring in Joseph McMonigle. He joins us from Riyadh, Saudi Arabia.

Joe Biden is hoping he won't be the new Jimmy Carter.

What's different?

JOSEPH MCMONIGLE, SECRETARY GENERAL, INTERNATIONAL ENERGY FORUM: Thanks, Kim. First, I think we have to recognize energy markets were already tight in a supply deficit before the war in Ukraine.

Certainly the war has made the situation worse. But if it ended tomorrow, we would still be in an environment of elevated prices and volatility.

Also, I think the scale of disruptions compared to the 1970s is much larger because it involves oil, natural gas and coal. And because of COVID, of course, there have been back-to-back unprecedented shocks in supply and demand.

And it takes time for supply and demand to respond to prices. On the supply side, that's because new projects are capital intensive and require lead time for planning, permitting and drilling. And demand is slow to respond because there's a lack of alternatives and it's an integral part of everyday life.

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BRUNHUBER: OK. So those are the differences.

But then even so, do you think there are any lessons to be learned from that crisis that could be applied to this one?

MCMONIGLE: Look, I think one of the things we learned from COVID, we had the biggest drop in demand in history when 10 million barrels a day came off the market. But the world in a complete lockdown was still using 90 million barrels a day. That just goes to show you that -- how integral, you know, oil is to

everyday demand, even if the world is shut down. I have to say, I think the second half of the year looks to be much worse. And we're kind of in a fragile situation.

We've got oil inventories reduced and spare capacity is low. Markets are already tight and we're likely to see COVID restrictions in China and other parts of Asia come back that will just add to the demand pressure on markets.

Of course, in the U.S., as I'm sure your viewers are aware of, if there's a hurricane in the Gulf of Mexico, you could temporarily see production facilities or refineries come offline.

Europe I think is where the situation is much direr because of power and gas prices already at record levels, even worse than last winter. And when seasonal demand picks up, countries may be forced to ration energy.

Of course, energy sanctions by the West and whatever Russia's reaction to them could further exacerbate the problem. So I'm particularly concerned about the second half of 2022.

And I think overall I'm worried we're in store for even higher prices or volatility until one of two things happens: that's if the Russia situation normalizes -- and by that I mean the energy supplies become normal or available -- or we have a global recession and demand gets reduced that way.

BRUNHUBER: On the first of those scenarios, some people had posited that, you know, the fuel scenario will have changed sort of permanently, that Russia will be sort of taken offline from the European energy sector for the foreseeable future.

Do you not agree?

MCMONIGLE: Well, energy is a global market, I think, as we're learning. Look, I don't envy the world leaders and President Biden, who have to make these tough decisions. But by sanctioning oil in Russia, you're affecting the amount of supply available on a global scale.

And that means prices are going to be impacted. So I think the president has talked about this many times, about, you know, we understand there are consequences to these decisions.

But -- so I don't think -- you can't really isolate Russia on oil and gas and not expect to have some, you know, negative consequences to consumers and countries around the world.

BRUNHUBER: So in this country, people have sort of said, well, this could push us one of two ways: it will push us back to more fossil fuels or push us toward using more renewables and so on.

You think there is a long-term upside for the environmental movement?

You see more people turning to electric vehicles because of the high price of gas and so on?

Do you think it will convince us to switch to green energy?

MCMONIGLE: Well, look, I think the answer is we have to do both, at least in the short term. The net zero goals are not diminished. But I think there's more tension now, even before the war. This is with the backdrop of higher prices last winter, that we need to manage the transition.

And so there's a focus now on energy security and on the transition. And what we're seeing is that real demand is more resilient than, I think, some of the net zero models had forecasted.

And that's because, until there are alternatives to hydrocarbons, we need to make the investments in it. It may be odd for the head of a international organization to talk about investment in hydrocarbons.

But I think it's important for the energy transition because I'm concerned, if the public connects high prices and volatility with the transition, it can undermine public support and be a big setback for climate policy. So I think we have to be very careful and make sure we have the hydrocarbons and the energy we need to power the world economy today.

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MCMONIGLE: And also we need to progressively pursue this and look at the new technologies to address climate concerns.

BRUNHUBER: Certainly, a lot of our viewers won't be happy to hear your grim prediction that things will get worse before they get better. Hopefully, that will happen sooner than later. Joseph McMonigle, appreciate your insights.

MCMONIGLE: Great to be with you.

BRUNHUBER: All right. We'll be right back.

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BRUNHUBER: A dangerous health scare for Blink-182 drummer Travis Barker. According to a post on his Instagram account, he has been hospitalized after experiencing severe life threatening pancreatitis after a routine endoscopy.

Earlier he had a small polyp removed from a very sensitive area, which damaged a critical pancreatic drainage tube. This comes just weeks after his marriage to Kourtney Kardashian. Barker said after intensive treatment he was much better.

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BRUNHUBER: An underground piece of Cold War history is for sale in Nebraska. Look here, this was a nuclear missile silo in the 1960s. Now it's a 2,500 square-foot living space that could be yours for just over $0.5 million. Historians say York isn't the only place in Nebraska where you can find silos like this.

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ROBERT BRANTING, AUTHOR: Ultimately we've got 15 bases in Nebraska. So one out in the Panhandle. But with the exception of that one base that was associated with a military base in Wyoming, the York missile base was the farthest west.

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BRUNHUBER: And what you lack in windows, you make up for in security. The silo features two massive doors weighing about 50 tons each.

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