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World mourns Death of Queen Elizabeth II; King Charles III Returns to Buckingham Palace. Aired 9-9:30a ET
Aired September 09, 2022 - 09:00 ET
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JIM SCIUTTO, CNN ANCHOR: A truly royal salute this morning across the United Kingdom, honoring the life of the late Queen Elizabeth II.
A very good morning to our viewers here in the United States and around the world. I'm Jim Sciutto.
POPPY HARLOW, CNN ANCHOR: And I'm Poppy Harlow. We're so glad you're with us today.
One round was fired for each year of the 96-year-old queen's life. Her successor and son, King Charles III, is in London, and making his way right now to Buckingham Palace for the first time as king.
Upon his arrival, he'll be greeted by thousands lining up to pay their respects, laying flowers and cards outside the palace honoring the queen's seven decades on the throne.
Elizabeth became queen February 6, 1952. She was just 25 years old. Her reign spanned 14 U.S. presidents, seven popes, and 15 British prime ministers.
SCIUTTO: She was a witness to history and an indelible part of it. During her time on the throne, she led her country through wars in Korea, the Falkland's and Afghanistan. Her reign spanning global events as is well, from the first moon landing to 9/11 and the coronavirus pandemic. The queen was a global fixture, a beacon of stability for some seven decades.
Overnight, many parts of the world came together to remember Queen Elizabeth, from New York, to Paris, Australia, to Brazil, buildings lit up, flags flying at half-staff. And words of tribute from even surprising voices, including Vladimir Putin and Chinese state media.
The new king, King Charles III, has asked for a period of royal mourning to be observed starting today. He's the one in that car you're seeing there. That will last until seven days after the queen's funeral. We don't know yet when her funeral will take place. Later today we do expect to hear from the king. CNN will bring you that address live as it happens. Later today, we will also be bringing you news as we hear from the
British prime minister and others. CNN anchor and correspondent Max Foster is outside Buckingham Palace. CNN correspondent Isa Soares, she's at Balmoral Castle in Scotland.
Max, I do want to begin with you.
King Charles III has quite a ring to it, arrives back at Buckingham Palace soon. There is the Rolls-Royce carrying him to the palace.
Give us a sense today, roughly a day after the news, how are the people of the U.K. feeling?
MAX FOSTER, CNN ANCHOR AND CORRESPONDENT: I think this is a very stark image. I have to say, Jim, this is King Charles in what was the late queen's limousine, state limousine, in that royal claret color. And you can see above it, the royal standard flying, which is the monarch's flag. So, we've been talking a lot, haven't we, about how the flags around the United Kingdom have been flowing -- flying at half-staff, all of them, apart from one, and that is the royal standard, because the monarch never dies.
So, we've seen the roads cleared coming from Northolt Airport. You know, the details of this, we can't reveal in exact detail until they've happened for security reasons, but it does feel as though they're heading towards Buckingham Palace.
So, two orders of business, I would say, would be at the front of the new king's mind. That would be meeting the public, as king, having some time with the public, and showing he's amongst the public. We'll wait to see how that sort of translates itself when he arrives at the palace, but perhaps looking at the flowers.
And then I imagine the prime minister will be coming for her first audience with her new king as well. Just imagine what it's like having a country where we basically had a new head of state and a new prime minister in the same week.
SCIUTTO: Yes, it's remarkable. It was just a few -- couple days ago when we saw the prime minister, the new prime minister, meet with then queen.
HARLOW: It - from Winston Churchill to Liz Truss.
SCIUTTO: Yes.
HARLOW: Fifteen.
Max, you wrote this beautiful piece for cnn.com summing up your experience reporting on the royal family over so many years, also on Britain's new king, right, on King Charles III. And you talk about how passionate, attentive, outspoken he was when it comes to really critical issues, like climate change. And I think a question many people have is, how will the monarchy change? Because she, Queen Elizabeth, did not weigh in on anything that could be even perceived as divisive or controversial. [09:05:11]
FOSTER: Which is why she wasn't divisive, which is why she was uniting and it was all very deliberate. Someone asked, why doesn't she smile? Well, because she doesn't want to express an emotion about something, which might cause some disruption. It also allows us to project our own thoughts on to her.
Prince Charles, as he was, felt that he could express opinions before he came to the throne. So, he had a very different view and he adopted causes that genuinely he cares deeply about, things like climate or religious tolerance. These are things I've spoken to him about, or youth unemployment, he cares deeply about. He's utterly obsessed with them. And he can't hold himself back from expressing his opinions about them. And he wrote letters to ministers about it, which was unprecedented, but, you know, he reinvented that role as first in line to the throne.
He is now monarch. And he's made it very clear to us that he would stop expressing any opinions and he would follow in his mother's line of thinking, if you like, as monarch. So, it's untested, isn't it? How is he going to be able to resist expressing himself on an issue we know he cares deeply about? But that's going to be the challenge.
And you mentioned that there's going to be this national address a little bit later on. It's going be the first test of that. And, I think, you know, what a challenge to do that the day after his mother dies and to express the nation's feelings about his mother. But, you know, everyone's mother in a way.
SCIUTTO: You're watching a royal motorcade there, live pictures from London. That is, as Max was saying there, the royal limousine carrying a king, the new king, King Charles III, who has succeeded Queen Elizabeth now.
We have Isa Soares. She is at Balmoral Castle in Scotland, where, of course, the queen passed yesterday.
I wonder if you can, for folks at home here, particularly in the U.S., place Balmoral in the life of this queen, because this was a very special home for her.
ISA SOARES, CNN ANCHOR AND CORRESPONDENT: Good morning, Jim. Good morning, Poppy.
Indeed, Balmoral is so close to the queen's heart. This was, for many, many years, in fact since she was a young girl, the summer residence where she came to just relax with her loved ones, with her family, with her children, grandchildren. It's really 500,000 acres of just the most beautiful surroundings in the Scottish highland.
And it was here, Jim and Poppy, where she could really be herself. She could wear what she wanted. Relax in her clothes. Really go out into the highlands. She had a picnic. She obviously walked with her corgis, her - be with her horses. And she really felt at home here. And we know from the autobiography of former Prime Minister Tony
Blair, that, in fact, when he visited, that she would do the dishes herself when he came to visit. She'd put on the gloves and she started washing the dish -- doing the dishes. So, this is where it's such a sentimental value, no doubt, of course, the Balmoral to her, but also to King Charles III and, of course, to his siblings and his children, his two sons, Prince Harry and Prince William. Those memories they had here which will strike really hard at their heart.
And, of course, I think they might take some solace in that as well, the fact that at least then their grandmother and their mother died in a place that she felt so at ease, almost like a refuge in many ways from the limelight of the city. This is truly where locals I've been speaking to actually say that she was part of the community. Many obviously coming here, as you can see, with flowers to lay outside the castle here. And many are saying she was part of us. We would see her walking in the highlands. We would bump into her. She was part of the local congregation. She was one of us. And I think that sentiment is really being felt today. Obviously, a deep sense of grief, but also reflection here.
SCIUTTO: Yes. You know, as we see those many bouquets of flowers begin to show up there, doesn't it remind you of the wake of Princess Diana's passing.
HARLOW: Of course, 25 years ago.
SCIUTTO: You saw them around. People needed a place to go, right, and I think many in the U.K. as well now need a place to go to show their respect and their love for her.
HARLOW: That's right.
And, Max, I think to Jim's point, yes, she was 96 years old, but it's still -- it was rather quick, obviously, in many respects. And I was so struck by hearing people say over the last 24 hours, Max, you know, no longer will we say, like, long live the queen, right? This is about the king now. First time in seven decades.
SCIUTTO: Yes.
FOSTER: Well, you know, we really got a sense of that last night when we heard people singing the national anthem and talking about the king rather than the queen.
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And everything will change. We were talking about how passports are going to have to change. The bank notes are going to have to change to the - the king's face instead of the queen's face. All -- you know, lawyers in this country are called QCs. They're going to be called KCs now, king's counsel. There's so many things that are going to change so much and it's so engrained in our society. She's been here, obviously -- she was here for 70 years and her name is everywhere, her face is everywhere. And gradually there's going to have to be a transition to King Charles. I will tell you, I've just had it confirmed, that the king will
address the nation and the commonwealth in a message which will be broadcast at 6:00 local, that's 1:00 p.m. your time. It was - it was prerecorded. So, there won't be any disruption to that. It will definitely go out at 1:00 p.m. Eastern. So that's going to be the first sense we really get of the new king and his philosophy moving forward.
You know, he was always very careful not to tread on the monarch's toes when she was alive. He's now in charge. What will he change? You know, there's speculation he may not want to live in Buckingham Palace, for example. There's speculation that he may change the role of monarch slightly. That isn't unusual. The queen, the late queen, utterly transformed what it was to be a monarch. She created this idea of working with charities and being a patron to charities, which allowed her to go out and meet people and be in front of the cameras. So, that's something that she reinvented and he will reinvent the monarchy in his own way. So it's going to be fascinating to get a sense of that when he addresses the nation later on today.
We can see the royal motorcade here traveling through London. All the roads being cleared. It must be an eerie sense for him as well to be in the top job after waiting so long as the longest serving heir to the thrown in British history.
SCIUTTO: Yes. Think of all those changes he mentions, from queen's counsel to king's counsel, for the barristers, the royal sypher, as it's known, that ER you see. And I was reading, not just on the royal flags, but even post boxes in the U.K. have that. That will change over time.
HARLOW: All of it.
SCIUTTO: Currency, the queen's face on currency.
HARLOW: Yes, all -- all of it, because she was such a figure of stability for so long.
SCIUTTO: Yes.
HARLOW: Let me also join in the conversation, as you stay with us, Max, Sally Bedell Smith, a CNN contributor who has written several royal biographies, also Elizabeth Norton, an historian and archaeologist and author of "England's Queens: The Biography."
So, Sally, you wrote this lovely piece for "The London Times" talking about Queen Elizabeth's humor, humanity, how her relationship with her father shaped her reign. Could you speak to what Max brought up, and that is how she really did transform the monarchy?
SALLY BEDELL SMITH, CNN CONTRIBUTOR: Well, she did. She - she, obviously, was very traditional when she began. But I think she was wise enough to pick up the currents of the time and change incrementally. One of her former private secretaries described it to me as the Marmite theory of monarchy. If you know the Marmite label, it's green and yellow and red. And you look at it and you think, oh, that's the Marmite label that's always been there. But, in fact, it has changed in perpetuity (ph) over the years. And that's what she has done.
SCIUTTO: Sally -
HARLOW: OK, Sally -- Sally, just hold on one moment. Let's listen in here.
SCIUTTO: This is the prince and the - well, the king and the queen consort have left the limo to greet some of the crowds, an enormous crowd outside Buckingham Palace here. This, quite a moment. We were discussing earlier, the king making his first comments to the nation, greeting the nation as the new monarch. Here he is doing it face to face, hand to hand.
HARLOW: Let's take a moment to listen.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The car stopped.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: That's why I think they've gotten (INAUDIBLE).
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: (INAUDIBLE).
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: God save the king.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: So sorry about your mum. (INAUDIBLE).
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Long live the king!
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: God save the king!
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: God save the king!
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: King Charles III!
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: God save the king!
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (INAUDIBLE). Enjoy the moment.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: God save the king!
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (INAUDIBLE).
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We wish you success.
KING CHARLES III: Thank you very kindly. Thank you. Thank you.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (INAUDIBLE).
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Thank you, Charles.
KING CHARLES III: Marvelous (ph). Thank you for all your kindness (ph). UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: (INAUDIBLE) picture.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: God bless you, Charles. God bless you.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: God save the king!
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: (INAUDIBLE) the color flag (ph).
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (INAUDIBLE) Charlie (ph).
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Long live the king!
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: God save the king!
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: God bless you.
KING CHARLES III: Thank you.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You look (INAUDIBLE).
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: God save the king!
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: God save the king!
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: God save the king!
KING CHARLES III: (INAUDIBLE).
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Thank you.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: God save the king!
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: God save the king!
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Long live the king!
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Long live the king!
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: God save the king!
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: God save the king!
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: God save the king!
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: (INAUDIBLE). And I know you all (INAUDIBLE). You will be.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Sorry for your loss, sir. (INAUDIBLE)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Guys, put your phone down when we come past, please.
Put your phone, please.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We really appreciate it. We appreciate it. Thank you so much.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Phones down, please, ladies and gentlemen.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (INAUDIBLE).
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Long live the king!
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Long live the king!
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Put your phone down, sir.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE (singing): God save thy gracious king, (INAUDIBLE).
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We love you, Charles! (INAUDIBLE), Charles!
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We love you, King Charles! We love you a lot!
KING CHARLES III: Thank you so much for coming.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: So sorry. So sorry for your loss.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: God save the king!
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: God save the king!
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hi, Charles.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: God save the king!
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: God save the king!
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: God save the king!
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: God bless you.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (INAUDIBLE).
KING CHARLES III: Thank you so much.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes, I'm from Singapore.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: God save the king!
KING CHARLES III: Thank you so much.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: If I could just say (INAUDIBLE).
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: God bless you.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: God save the king! God save the king!
HARLOW: It's completely remarkable to see this, to hear the singing breaking out, for a moment.
SCIUTTO: Yes. I do think they were still singing God save the queen. Did I hear that correctly?
HARLOW: I don't know. You may be - you may be right. This is where -- we're going to keep these live pictures up because what a moment to see in London. Beautiful blue, sunny skies on this day where King Charles is greeting so many people there.
Let's bring in our colleagues and friends, Max Foster, Don Lemon.
You guys are there. What's it like?
DON LEMON, CNN ANCHOR, "DON LEMON TONIGHT": Yes, well, I got to tell you, I have five minutes. I got about five minutes away in the crowd after doing "NEW DAY," the morning show, and I heard the roar and got called back. And, I mean, there are just throngs of people who have showed up and just in the couple moments since we have been here for -- during this show.
And it's interesting, because you are right, Jim, you did hear God save the king. And it's just -- Max told me earlier that he may come, the new king, to look at the flowers. But he has come to greet the people. And they are excited to see their new king, at the same time mourning the loss of the former queen, his mother. So, this is quite a moment to witness, Max, don't you agree?
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FOSTER: He just got a big kiss on the lips. I think this will be very, very heartening to him to -- you don't know how you're going to be accepted into the top job until you're there and the coming out and they're saying, God save the king, they're singing the national anthem with "king" in the national anthem and they are thrilled to see him. This is really positive. He is a sensitive soul, Prince Charles. He's quite sensitive. And this will be huge for him.
But just to put this into context, this is King Charles II, meeting his subjects for the first time. So this is historic.
LEMON: Yes. And meeting his subjects at a time when, you know, at the same time he lost his mother just a couple of days ago. And now having, you know, his entire family, to be brought back in and -- to be brought back in not for him, you know, gaining the crown or becoming king, but really for the loss of his mother.
So, there was some, I don't know if this -- I should say concern, but people were wondering, how would he be accepted? What's he -- how is he going to reign? And it appears now that people are open to him. If you look at the reception of this crowd, that certainly seems to be the case here.
FOSTER: So, Charles II, I'm now slipping centuries as well as everything else.
LEMON: Yes.
FOSTER: Charles III, of course. I think this is a phenomenal moment. I think this is really extraordinary. It just speaks to what he - what -- you know, what any person waiting this long for this position - I mean his mother was so revered. Everyone loved her. He knew that. And he would be so worried about stepping into her shoes. And this is reassurance that at least they're going to give him a chance.
LEMON: Yes. But this has to, in some way, listen, it doesn't, obviously, make up for the loss of his mother, but it has to some way help in the grief to know that, you know, people are -- people loved his mother, and they're also showing support for him, and loved, as Max said, just got a kiss on the lips. I'm not sure he was - he was expecting that.
SCIUTTO: Yes.
FOSTER: And also the way he handled that. He smiled. And he didn't feel awkward about that. So, he's approached - I mean he's not - you know, when you meet him, he's not - he's a very warm guy, but, you know, you wouldn't - he's not someone you'd kiss on the lips. But that was an outpouring of expression by someone and he accepted it without feeling awkward. I think that was a great little moment, actually.
LEMON: But you asked what it's like to be here. I mean, I would have to, honestly, liken it to a concert. And, listen, I know we're here to honor the former queen, but if you look at -- the crowd is excited to be here. And there is Camilla, queen consort now.
But the crowd is excited to be here. Yes, they are sad. They don't know what's going to happen. They have to move forward. They have a new prime minister. They've got a new king, a new queen consort and the succession changes, as Max has been educating all of us on throughout our coverage here.
But this has to, you know, really warm the hearts of the folks who are watching, the people who are royal watchers, we love the royals, and just look at the amount of flowers and just makeshift memorial that has popped up over the last day or so.
FOSTER: Yes.
LEMON: It's really heartening to watch this and to experience it, I should say.
FOSTER: Just a word on Camilla. She's someone who isn't naturally comfortable in front of the cameras. She's someone that doesn't choose to go to every event. She chooses which ones she goes to. She dips in and out. This is a massive moment for her. She doesn't -- she doesn't seek the limelight. She doesn't - I wouldn't say she would have an ambition to become queen, whatever anyone else says. She is always about supporting Charles. So this is, you know, this is why he's --
LEMON: Can we listen to this?
So, they were just doing a hip hip hooray. I don't know if you heard that.
FOSTER: Yes. And this is what we're going to - she's - she's there alongside him, which is why he's always so supportive of her as well. So now we have king and queen outside their new residence of Buckingham Palace, looking at the flowers and taking in those messages.
LEMON: Can you really put into context -- I mean, look, I - it's - it's - there's a whole lot going on here, right?
FOSTER: Yes.
LEMON: And you look at the drama that's happened with the royal family over the -- just the last couple of years. You look, the queen had Covid. She lost her beloved husband. You look at what happened with Meghan and Harry. And not just them leaving, but also the marriage, them getting married.
FOSTER: This marriage.
LEMON: Yes.
FOSTER: Yes, so it was only recently that the former queen, the late queen, accepted -- one of Charles' conditions was, when I become king, she will be my queen.
LEMON: Yes.
FOSTER: And this was a very sensitive matter.
LEMON: Well, I was talking Meghan and Harry.
FOSTER: Ah.
LEMON: But you're talking about this as well. This is another.
FOSTER: Well, you know, and he always wanted her to be queen, and that was his condition to the late queen, and she finally accepted that just in the last couple of years, which is why she's queen consort now.
LEMON: As you have been so ably educating us, people are wondering why the term "consort" behind queen?
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FOSTER: Because queen would be like the late queen, the monarch. She's not the monarch. He's the monarch. So, she's the consort to the monarch.
LEMON: Yes.
Jim and Poppy, so you - again, you said, what is this like?
SCIUTTO: As we watch this, Don and Max --
LEMON: It's a -- what is this like to witness? It is - I don't know if I can actually put it into words as a --
FOSTER: Entering Buckingham Palace as the new residence for first time.
LEMON: As they enter the residence.
SCIUTTO: Don and Max, as we watch that, it was, I think, notable that it was evocative of prince -- then Prince Charles visiting the flowers displayed out there after he lost his father, Prince Philip, in April of last year, when, as I remember it, he got quite emotional. And then going back some 25 years to visiting yet another collection of flowers, memorial flowers, for Princess Diana. So, this is a prince, now king, for whom loss has been -- very public loss has been a part of his life leading up to this moment.
And there he walks into the palace through the gates, with the weight of the monarchy on his shoulders.
FOSTER: I imagine - I haven't seen her go in, but I think the prime minister's due to have her first audience with the king as well. So, I don't know whether she's in there already. But that's what I would expect to be happening next.
LEMON: That's very well put, Jim, you're right, the weight of the monarchy on his shoulders. And hers to some extent.
SCIUTTO: Max, I wonder about the relationship between the late Queen Elizabeth and the now King Charles III. It was a loving relationship. It was a very public relationship. And there was a moment that struck us from the diamond jubilee, just earlier this year, in fact, when we heard then Prince Charles discuss his mother in a way that was quite official, but also emotional. We're going to play that for you now.
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PRINCE CHARLES (June 4 2022): Your Majesty, mummy, your family now spans four generations. You are our head of state, and you are also our mother.
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SCIUTTO: There's the same palace just three months ago, you're our head of state, but you're also our mother. And even that moment there when he said, your majesty, mummy, yes.
HARLOW: Mummy. Yes.
SCIUTTO: Max, tell us about that relationship through the years.
FOSTER: Well, this is the dilemma -- yes, well, this is the dilemma, isn't it, you are a family, she was his mother, but she was also the mother to the nation. So, there's always this tension there with any monarchy, I think.
The relationship was very respectful. He was always utterly respectful to her. He would never talk about transition because he think -- that would be disrespectful to the queen. And that's why we're only getting a sense now, really, of what his monarchy is going to be like. Were they close? I don't think they had a huge amount in common,
necessarily. I don't think - I think there's a lot of tension within -- with Prince Philip as well. But they all respected each other massively.
And the queen was all about -- she - I mean the fundamental role of any monarch is to leave the throne in a stronger position than you received it. So it was building the throne, making it stronger for Prince Charles. That was her fundamental role in life. And she's done that. And he will be aware of the burden of receiving that and not wasting it away.
LEMON: In a similar vein, and, listen, I've dealt - I don't know, it's - it may seem like an odd question, but it's - it's real. Is this what she would have wanted for him, to watch the crowd embrace him like that (INAUDIBLE)?
FOSTER: Absolutely. And this speaks to what she built up as well. I think that would have been massively warming. And also to Prince William, because there's all this talk about, oh, let's skip Prince Charles and go straight to Prince William because he's more popular. There was all - you know, I mean, let's be frank about the Diana relationship. There was a huge amount of jealousy there. Prince Charles really struggled with the attention that Diana got. He's not a massive egotist, but he is, you know, meant to be the senior figure professionally in those relationships, and he never - he's always having the sort of attention taken away from him. So that's what's made him sensitive. And for him to go in front of that crowd and them to be saying, God save the queen - God save the king and kissing him on the lips and cheering and singing the national anthem, I just don't think it would come any better than that for him.
LEMON: Since you brought it up, think about the dichotomy of when what was happening with Diana, the separation, the divorce and what has happened with Camilla, who is now queen consort, and you think about that, he really had to work on gaining acceptance again, or popularity, however you want to put it, from the people.
FOSTER: And the -- he wouldn't compromise on Camilla, ever. So she was going to be his consort. And that was a huge amount of tension.
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The queen didn't speak to her for years. And we were even surprised when she turned up at the wedding, at Charles and Camilla's wedding back in 2005.
