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Prince William Invited Harry and Meghan to Tour Memorials; King's Triumphs, Tragedies and Controversies; Former Trump Adviser Stephen Miller Subpoenaed by DOJ; Former Trump Adviser Stephen Miller Subpoenaed by DOJ; Bill Barr: I don't Want to See Trump Indicted as a Former President; CNN's Fareed Zakaria Talks with Ukrainian President Zelenskyy on Counteroffensive; Interview with Sen. Tim Kaine (D-VA); What to Watch for at 74th Primetime Emmy Awards. Aired 5-6p ET
Aired September 10, 2022 - 17:00 ET
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JIM ACOSTA, CNN ANCHOR: You are live in the CNN NEWSROOM. I'm Jim Acosta in Washington.
An encouraging scene today after the U.K.'s new monarch was formally proclaimed. Despite a highly public rift both sons of King Charles III appeared together in public. Here's the video right here. Prince William and Prince Harry along with the Princess of Wales and the Duchess of Sussex spent about 45 minutes together meeting with crowds outside the castle.
And while the royal family is coming together to mourn their beloved matriarch, citizens of the United Kingdom mourn their queen.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Really, really sad. So you almost saw it coming through the afternoon, but then when it cut to the announcement, there were tears in our house and then you have to sort of process it.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Left some flowers for the Queen because she was such an amazing person. I felt very sad because she's the only queen or person I've ever had.
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ACOSTA: The public-will have a chance to pay their respects to the Queen as she lies in state for four days ahead of the state funeral on Monday, September 19th.
CNN's Scott McLean is live in Windsor where you witnessed just a marvelous day for the royal family. We were royally surprised back here in the states, how did it go for you?
SCOTT MCLEAN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Yes. It sure seems that way. Look, before this took place, Jim, there was a lineup that stretched for at least an entire city block with people waiting to get into this area just at the gates of Windsor castle to lay flowers and pay their respects to Queen Elizabeth II.
When they started setting up barricades earlier today, we were told that there would be a visit. Most people expected that that visit would come from the Prince and Princess of Wales, Will and Kate. What they did not expect to see though, was the two people who came out of the same vehicle with them -- the same people with them, which was Harry and Meghan, especially because of the very well-publicized rift between the two. A royal source told my colleague Max Foster that it was actually Prince William who asked his brother to join him in greeting the crowds of people as a show of unity.
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MCLEAN: As the gates of Windsor Castle opened Saturday, Prince William and Harry walked out side by side. The Queen's death reuniting the brothers publicly for the first time since June.
It was also the first time crowds got to see Kate in her new title as Princess of Wales. The couples made their way down long rows of people paying tribute to the Queen. Young people sharing cards and toys, people of all ages pushing flowers into their arms, even pets got the royal treatment.
14-year-old Amelka Zak was particularly moved to meet Meghan the Duchess of Sussex.
AMELKA ZAK, HUGGED DUCHESS OF SUSSEX: That was just quite an amazing moment. I'm still shaking now. It was quite nice to see William and Kate, and Meghan and Harry together. It was fine, but I just wanted to like show her that she's like welcome here I guess. I wanted to hug her after everything that's happened really now.
MCLEAN: Before the Queen died Thursday, it had been a turbulent two years with Harry and Meghan stepping back as working members of the royal family.
The last time the princes saw each other, they did not interact, but on Saturday they seemed to at least temporarily put their differences aside kneeling to pay their respects to a monarch who united a country in mourning.
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MCLEAN: So when this visit was over, the four of them got back inside of the same vehicle, Prince William drove, and they drove off toward the part of the Windsor Castle estate where both couples are living, at least for the next week.
Prince William's family moved here in the last couple of weeks to give his family a more private life, and of course, Harry and Meghan, this is their U.K. residence, a place called Frogmore cottages. The two homes are only about 600 yards or so from one another.
And so when Prince Harry described in an interview with Oprah that his relationship with his brother was space -- space is no longer the issue right now. Now given the fact that the Queen's funeral is still another nine days away, the brothers have time.
The people that I've met here, Jim, hope that they can use that time to reconcile their relationship.
ACOSTA: It would be great to see. All right. Scott McLean, thank you very much.
This morning King Charles III was formally declared Britain's new monarch in a historic ceremony before the Accession Council.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: God save the king.
CROWD: God save the king.
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KING CHARLES III, BRITISH MONARCH: My mother's reign was unequaled in its duration, its dedication, and its devotion. Even as we grieve, we give thanks for this most faithful life.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We call to his mercy, our late sovereign lady, Queen Elizabeth II of blessed and glorious memory by whose decease the crown of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland is solely and rightfully come to the Prince Charles Philip Arthur George.
KING CHARLES III: In carrying out the heavy task that has been laid upon me and to which I now dedicate what remains to me of my life, I pray for the guidance and help of almighty God.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Three cheers for His Majesty, the king.
Hip-hip.
CROWD: Hooray.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Hip-hip.
CROWD: Hooray.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Hip hip.
CROWD: Hooray.
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VAUSE: Just some amazing images today out of England. And as King Charles carries out his new royal duties, he and his family are also grieving. We are learning more about when members of the public can pay their respects.
Tomorrow the Queen's coffin will go to the palace of Holyroodhouse in Edinburgh, and then it will be taken in procession to St. Giles' where it will lie at rest until Tuesday. It will then go to Buckingham Palace and then on Westminster Hall where it will lie in state for four days ahead of the funeral which will take place on Monday, September 19 at Westminster abbey.
Joining me now is CNN royal historian Kate Williams and Robert Hardman, a columnist for the "Daily Mail". Wow, what a day. We should note, Robert is also the author of the book "Queen of Our Times: the life of Queen Elizabeth II", and "Our Queen". I wanted to get that in there.
Kate, what a day, I guess I'm so excited, I started too early there. What a day, what a moment to see, you know, William and Harry together again. What do you think? Is this a sign of things to come?
KATE WILLIAMS, CNN ROYAL HISTORIAN: Yes, Jim, what a day, what a moment. We were expecting to see some royals. I don't think any of us expected to see the fab four, as they were once known, reunited coming out there in a quite carefully choreographed walk.
It was as Max has told us, very last minute, William issued the invitation very last minute, but it looked as if it had been planned for ages. There was the real star power that we saw from the brothers.
And it was very moving for me, Jim, because the last time of course we saw the brothers reviewing these flowers was for the death of their mother in 1997, that tragic moment when the two little boys came out of Balmoral Castle and were looking at the huge tributes of flowers. So heartbreaking.
And today is sad but in a much more joyful way. There was a great commemoration, and people in the crowds are so excited to see them. And I do think that this really is a sign of what could be to come. I'm very hopeful because Charles, you know, he's in a honeymoon period now, huge popularity, but his popularity before was very low.
And I do think that he needs Harry and Meghan and their star power and particularly that idea that they could do tours for him, that would be very effective. But certainly with the family around him, they are supporting him, remembering the Queen.
I think they were just so touched to see all the people so keen to express their sympathy with them for having lost their beloved grandmother.
ACOSTA: And Robert, what did you think? It felt like there was a heaviness that was lifted today.
ROBERT HARDMAN, "DAILY MAIL": It did, absolutely. I mean we saw the remarkable scenes in front of every stage since the death of the Queen. I think we've been sort of by the pace of events, the way in which the new king has really stepped up to the role right away.
And then to see this today, it was completely unexpected. You had other members of the family up at Balmoral going out to look at the flowers there. Staff I understand were -- had no idea this was coming.
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HARDMAN: This was obviously the brothers talking and, you know, in their element of rapprochement that one could only say well, you know, it's a cliche after somebody dies but it's what she would have wanted. I have no doubt of that.
ACOSTA: And Kate, looking at the incredible images from today and yesterday and how King Charles has been embraced by crowds of people, it seems to me that this has been a strong moment for the royal family. Do you think that can last?
WILLIAMS: Yes, that's a very fascinating question, Jim, because we have been on an emotional roller coaster here in Britain. The Queen's death was -- yes, she was old, her health had not been great recently but it really was very sudden. We weren't really sure what was going on and then we have the sad, sad news.
And then Charles really, we've been -- I was really surprised by how much the people have taken him to heart. There have been real -- there have been doubts in the past about Charles as a king, his opinions. Of course, there are many questions about him, the question about Princess Diana and those sad events.
But there was overwhelming delight in Charles's address to the nation by which he paid tribute to his mother. And his speech this morning in the Privy Council in which he talked about his desire to follow her service, desire to follow her shining example and talked about the heavy responsibility of monarchy because that's what he does have.
It's a honeymoon period, as you say, but Charles has a lot on his plate and Britain is in crisis. And I think the monarchy, there are big questions in the future in the monarchy, particularly about the other realms that have monarch as head of state, they've made it very clear that once the Queen was no longer here countries like Australia, Jamaica, Belize -- they are all going to really set in motion the process of becoming republics.
ACOSTA: Right. I mean this is not just us watching the royals from miles and miles away. There could be some very big seismic events happening in the days ahead.
And Robert, today was the first time we had ever seen images inside the ceremony proclaiming a new monarch. Queen Elizabeth had allowed television cameras into the coronation.
Why do you think that was so important to allow the public to see just about everything?
HARDMAN: Well, you're absolutely right, Jim. I mean, you know, it's indicative of the new kind of reign. There was a lot of speculation, what sort of king will Charles be. And he never told us for the simple reason he thought it would be disrespectful while his mother was alive to do that.
But he's obviously had very clear thoughts about how he's going to do it. And here, I mean the scenes here, this is an ancient ceremony going
back to medieval times which has never been seen before. And he thought well, actually you know, it's time to move forward. His decision to go first thing he did when he got back to London yesterday was to go on a walkabout, not to go and see staff and officials. And I think we're going to see more and more of this of doing things slightly differently. It's what people expect. It shows a sort of grip on the situation. But I mean, every day we're getting these startling images. Tomorrow we're going to see, of course, what will be the first glimpse of the coffins.
The Queen leaves Balmoral in a hearse to head for Holyroodhouse as you said at the top of the hour there. That's going to be an incredibly powerful moment.
The sight of the most Scottish monarch we've had since James I and VI traveling through the glen beneath her Scottish -- I mean these are more images that I think people haven't really grasped the sense of occasion, the sense of history.
And then to see the Privy Council, all these Privy Councils, by the way, allegedly the sort of wise men and women of the kingdom, I mean most of them are younger than the new king and haven't had nearly as much experience as him.
Whereas in 1952 we had a young mother of two coming to the throne, age 25, now we've got a man who will be 75 next year. It's a very different atmosphere. But it does go to the heart of the fact that this institution is part, its continuity, its stability, and so far it's been a very smooth transition.
ACOSTA: All right, a new era has begun indeed. All right. Kate Williams, Robert Hardman -- thank you very much. Nice to see both of you, appreciate it.
He spent 70 years as heir to the throne, making headlines along the way. We'll look at the triumphs, tragedies and controversies that have marked the new king's life.
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ACOSTA: Tributes continue to pour in for Queen Elizabeth II. This is from Australia, part of the British Commonwealth, the famous Sydney Opera House lit up in honor of the late queen.
And this is in New Zealand.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We'll perform a 96 gun salute to mark the passing of Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II.
Fire.
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ACOSTA: The New Zealand Army's 16th regiment firing 96 rounds, one for every year of her majesty's life.
King Charles III ascends the throne after a lifetime of preparation. Now 73, he's waited decades for the crown.
CNN's Bianca Nobilo takes a closer look at the years he spent in training, some marked by controversy.
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KING CHARLES III: I would hope that we might strive for an age of reverence. Reverence for what gives us life and for the fragile world in which we live.
BIANCA NOBILO, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Charles was born on November 14th, 1948 to then heir to the throne Princess Elizabeth and Prince Philip, the Duke of Edinburgh.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: To Princess Elizabeth, heiress presumptive to the throne, a son had been born. Glad news that was soon echoing around the world.
NOBILO: Charles was bestowed a host of titles at a young age but did not become Prince of Wales until 1969, a role he sought to professionalize and redefine.
Many of Charles' predecessors treated the title Prince of Wales as a ticket to a luxury lifestyle. Notably the previous Prince of Wales, the short-ranged King Edward VIII.
While Charles did indulge in partying years the British press giving him the nickname the Playboy Prince he didn't want to wait until he became king to make a difference.
Following his studies at Cambridge University, Charles went into the military. After leaving the Royal Navy in 1976 he founded the Prince's Trust.
MAX FOSTER, CNN ROYAL CORRESPONDENT: The Prince's Trust is something that he cares deeply about because he's done it for so long, It's one of his first causes, his first charities. But it also speaks to something he feels very strongly about which is youth unemployment.
NOBILO: On top of his own charities, he's patron of over 400 more. Dedicated to subjects close to his heart -- youth, environment and education. His schedule notoriously intense.
In a typical year he would carry out more than 500 royal engagements. Official duty is coordinated from his London base at Clarence House (ph).
FOSTER: So he's a perfectionist. He wants to know everything about all of his different projects and causes and roles.
NOBILO: Charles will forever be associated with his marriage to Princess Diana. He first met Lady Diana Spencer in 1977 at her family home of Althorp. She was 17 at the time. Four years later, they were married.
KING CHARLES III: I'm amazed that she's been brave enough to take me on.
NOBILO: In 1982 William was born and Harry in 1984. Their parents going against the royal tradition of home births.
Cracks in the marriage were soon apparent. Both began extramarital relationships. Charles admitted to an affair with Camilla Parker Bowles, who he went on to marry many years later in a quiet ceremony in 2005.
Charles and Diana divorced in 1996. The following year, Diana died in a fatal car crash, alongside her lover, Dodie Fayed, in Paris.
FOSTER: His priority was to look after the boys and there's been a huge amount of criticism over the years of both the Queen and Charles, for the fact that they didn't come down to London and support the nation but they very clearly made the decision to prioritize family over duties at that moment.
NOBILO: In that tumultuous time, Charles did what he had always done, put his head down and focused on his work. His campaigns sometimes sailed dangerously close to the line dividing the monarchy and politics.
The infamous Black Spider memos revealed his passionate pleas on issues he was concerned about and gave him the nickname of the Meddling Prince.
FOSTER: The head of state which is the monarch, they have a duty to remain independent. Charles always took the view that he had more leeway before he was on the throne. But he always made it very clear that when he became monarch he would no longer express opinions in that way.
NOBILO: arguably the cause he has championed the most is the environment. His home at High Grove was set up to be an organic farming power house. He talked about pollution issues long before they were mainstream becoming a leading figure in the flight against the climate crisis and plastic pollution.
KING CHARLES III: Global warming, climate change and the devastating loss of biodiversity are the greatest threats humanity has ever faced.
NOBILO: Charles is now the oldest royal to be crowned king or queen, much of his legacy already written.
Bianca Nobilo, CNN -- London.
(END VIDEOTAPE) ACOSTA: And when Harry and Meghan return home to California, their newest family member will be all wags to see them. The Duke and Duchess of Sussex adopted one of the 4,000 beagles rescued from an abusive facility in Virginia. Senator Tim Kaine who worked to save those dogs, he joins me live in the CNN NEWSROOM in just a few moments.
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ACOSTA: New today, the Justice Department has subpoenaed former Trump senior adviser Stephen Miller, a source telling CNN that the Department of Justice is seeking information about the Save America PAC, alleged fake electors and communications between Miller and other people in Trump's orbit.
With me now to talk about this is former assistant U.S. Attorney in the southern district of New York and CNN senior legal analyst Elie Honig. Elie, very interesting. Somebody very high up in Trump's orbit. What do you make?
ELIE HONIG, CNN SENIOR LEGAL ANALYST: Yes. Jim. Well, first of all, this person, Stephen Miller is a rarity because he was one of the very few people who was with Donald Trump from the first day January 20th, 2017 through the last day, January 20th, 2021. Now the focus as you said appears to be on the fake electors scheme here. He's sort of the ultimate insider.
And let's remember, this is a DOJ subpoena. This is a grand jury criminal subpoena. You cannot just brush this off. You really have only two choices, which is testify or take the Fifth.
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HONIG: And finally, Jim, I think it's worth remembering with all the focus on Mar-a-Lago and Florida and the classified documents, these January 6th investigations out of Fulton County, Georgia, out of Congress and I think most importantly out of the Justice Department remain very much ongoing and in some senses intensifying as we're seeing with this new subpoena.
ACOSTA: And, Elie, I mean, as we've been talking about, Trump is also facing an investigation by the Department of Justice about these classified documents found at Mar-a-Lago.
Let's listen to what Bill Barr, someone you're very familiar with, the former attorney general, and what he said on FOX about the possibility of Trump being indicted. It was very interesting.
Let's watch.
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BILL BARR, FORMER ATTORNEY GENERAL: Do you indict a former president? What will that do to the country? What kind of precedent will that set? Will the people really understand that this is not, you know, failing to return a library book, that this was serious?
And so you have to worry about those things. And I hope that those kinds of factors will incline the administration not to indict him because I don't want to see him indicted as a former president.
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ACOSTA: Elie, what do you make of this argument and the whole library book thing? I still don't get that one, but I'll let you take a shot at it.
HONIG: Jim, the comparison to a library book is obviously preposterous. It doesn't even really merit much knocking down.
I think what Bill Barr is doing there's sort of echoing an important debate that's happening in prosecutorial circles, which is, do you take into account all the extraneous elements that may attend the prosecution of a former president?
Do you think about it might anger people? Well, it might cause people to do rash things? It might be politically divisive.
In a vacuum, I think most prosecutors would tell you, no, that is DOJ's role not to think about those things, not to consider politics.
And if you do not charge a case that you think is well-founded because of those reasons, in a way, that in itself is a political decision that would put any president current or past out of the reach of the law.
So there's really an interesting debate playing out. I think it's impossible to conclude Merrick Garland is not at all thinking about these things.
But we'll see if he forges ahead on sort of the classic prosecutorial factors of the facts of the law and nothing else.
ACOSTA: He's hinted at that along the way, so I guess we'll see how that all plays out.
This week, Steve Bannon pleaded not guilty to state money laundering charges and conspiracy and fraud related to an online scheme to build the border wall.
Here's what he said as he was handcuffed and walked by reporters, Steve Bannon. Let's watch.
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STEVE BANNON, FORMER ADVISER TO PRESIDENT TRUMP: This is what happens the last days of a dying regime. They will never shut me up. They'll have to kill me first. I have not yet begun to fight.
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ACOSTA: Elie, as you know, former President Trump pardoned Steve Bannon on federal charges related to the same scheme. But presidential pardons do not extend to state charges.
And so how much legal trouble is Bannon potentially in here?
HONIG: He's in real trouble here, Jim. This is not just theoretical or hypothetical.
First of all, let's remember, he has been convicted in a federal case of contempt of Congress. He had his trial back in July, and he's coming up for sentencing next month.
He will be sentenced to at least a month in federal prison, potentially more. But under the law he has to do at least 30 days.
Now this charge comes on top of this. And in a way, he's looking at even more serious crime here. This a fraud. This is a multi-million- dollar fundraising effort premised on a fraud.
And if you look at the state indictment, which I did, the evidence against him is his own texts. He's essentially guilty on his own texts. He's looking at real trouble here, Jim.
ACOSTA: Elie Honig, thank you very much. Appreciate it.
HONIG: Thank you.
Up next, after five months of Russian occupation, Ukrainian forces have now entered a strategic city in eastern Ukraine. Is this a turning point in the brutal war?
You're live in the CNN NEWSROOM.
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ACOSTA: Russian troops retreating and regrouping in the face of a fierce Ukrainian counteroffensive. At the heart of this new front is Kharkiv. Here you can see Ukrainian forces raising their country's flags after retaking a city in that region.
CNN's Fareed Zakaria sat down exclusively with Ukrainian President Zelenskyy in Kyiv on Friday and asked him about this Ukrainian counteroffensive.
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FAREED ZAKARIA, CNN HOST, "FAREED ZAKARIA, GPS" Mr. President, let me ask you about the battle right now. It does appear that Ukraine is moving forward in Kherson and other parts of the east.
Is this the beginning of a campaign to roll back the Russian invasion of February 24th?
VOLODYMYR ZELENSKYY, UKRAINIAN PRESIDENT (through translation): You know that our goal is to de-occupy our whole territory. The main goal is the occupation. We just cannot allow Russia to continue the same occupation that they started in 2014.
Now they invaded some more, freezing of the conflict, negotiations, then time passes. They become stronger and then they keep moving forward again or set some conditions.
Well, first of all, setting ultimate conditions and you need them or we will keep invading. So that's their strategy. The gradual -- very slow dinner, well, dining. They are eating you piecemeal bit by bit. Russian cannibalism I would call it this way.
And I don't want to play this game. I don't like this.
I cannot tell you right now all the details about certain operational plans, but you understand what I'm talking about. We will not be standing still. We will be slowly, gradually moving forward.
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ACOSTA: And Fareed's interview with Zelenskyy airs tomorrow on "FAREED ZAKARIA, GPA" at 1:00 Eastern.
I'm joined now by Senator Tim Kaine, of Virginia, a member of the Foreign Relations Committee.
Senator, thanks so much for being with us. We appreciate it.
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What do you think, do you think this is a turning point in the war? And if so, how can the U.S. and its allies make sure that it stays that way?
SEN. TIM KAINE (D-VA): Well, look, the Biden administration announced last week more aid to Ukraine. Congress has approved a sizable tranche, and the Biden administration is releasing it, you know, one chapter at a time to try to give the Ukrainian defense forces the things that they most need right on the moment.
And it's not just the United States. It's NATO allies and others. And we are seeing the Ukrainians with a tremendous patriotic resolve.
But also, after eight years of joint training with the U.S. military, going back to 2014 with the Crimea invasion, we're seeing the combined effect of collaborative training and resources that are right on time.
Right at the moment showing that Vladimir Putin's grandiose dissolutions about what he might do in Ukraine are hollow and they're failing.
ACOSTA: And, Senator, as you know, "The Washington Post" has reported that the FBI search of Mar-a-Lago turned up classified information about a foreign government's nuclear capability capabilities. I'm not going to ask you which country, obviously.
But putting aside the obvious national security concerns, what does this mean for diplomatic relations? How can an ally of the United States trust that their most sensitive secrets are going to be safe after all of this?
KAINE: Well, that's a great question. I mean, under Joe Biden, their secrets will be safe, but under Donald Trump, their secrets were for sale.
And you know, my gut tells me that the reason that Donald Trump took all this classified information -- I'm on the Armed Services and Foreign Relations Committee. I spend a lot of time in secure Senate facilities. I know what this information is like.
The reason that Trump took this with him to Florida was probably to try to either sell it or have it as a get out of jail free card.
Under Biden, these secrets are safe. But the DOJ effort, the FBI effort to bring back these secrets so that Donald Trump doesn't have them and then have some consequences for him for taking them with him in an unauthorized way is really important that we impose accountability for this.
ACOSTA: And I'm sure you've seen this but former Attorney General William Barr has put out this notion that, if the Attorney General Merrick Garland were to prosecute former President Trump, that it would do some harm to the country, that the country might not be able to bear it, that sort of thing.
Do you buy that?
KAINE: I don't buy it. I lived in Honduras in 1980 and '81. It was a military dictatorship. And you know, people patrolled the streets with machine guns to keep people from expressing themselves.
I do understand that if there's an attempt to impose accountability on Donald Trump for violating numerous laws that people will be unhappy, that it could lead to division.
But I will say the consequences of not imposing accountability for egregious violations of law are even worse.
When you let a dictator do things and change the laws, change the rules, do whatever they want, act with impunity, the consequences are much worse than when you act as a country with a rule of law to impose accountability.
So, look, we're not in an easy time right now. Accountability for Donald Trump will make some people mad. But refusing to impose accountability will be much more destructive to U.S. democracy than insisting nobody's above the law.
ACOSTA: And after the passing of Queen Elizabeth, you tweeted out some photos you keep in your office showing you with her during her 2007 visit to the Commonwealth of Virginia.
That's not the only connection that you have with the royal family. I guess we can say Harry and Meghan just adopted a beagle, Mamma Mi -- the name of the beagle is Mamma Mia -- rescued from a breeding facility in Virginia that you're very familiar with.
And folks who live in the Washington, D.C., area have seen some of this in the local news, this effort to save these dogs has been something that's very near and dear to you.
I have to say, as the owner of a rescue beagle myself, I've also been taking a special interest in this. Tell us about this.
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KAINE: Well, how can I connect the death of Queen Elizabeth and the rescue of beagles from a puppy mill in Virginia. I guess I'll start with Queen Elizabeth is a dog lover. I mean, her beloved corgis.
We did welcome Queen Elizabeth and Prince Philip to Virginia in 2007, when I was governor for the -- to commemorate the mixed and complicated 400-year history of English settlement, beginning at Jamestown in 1607. So this was 15 years ago.
And it was just an amazing experience in my nearly 30-year career in public life to welcome Queen Elizabeth and Prince Philip to Virginia. She had been here in 1957 as a brand-new monarch for the 350th anniversary of Jamestown.
And then she was back in 2007, 50 years later for the 400th, and we had a remarkable visit where she interacted with Virginians at an extremely difficult time.
We just had the tragic shooting at Virginia Tech two or three weeks before she came. And she insisted on meeting with Virginia Tech families, those who had been impacted by this horrible shooting.
So I just -- Virginians have a particular feeling of sadness and affection when they heard about the news about Queen Elizabeth, but Queen Elizabeth loved dogs.
And so let's switch to topic two. In March of -- earlier this year, Senator Warner and I weighed in and told the FDA, you guys are letting pass a gruesome abuse of animals in Cumberland County in Virginia at this puppy mill that raises beagles.
And we put pressure on the FDA for letting things pass. And they acted, and 4,000 beagles in this facility have been liberated and sent to families around the country and around the world.
Including Harry and Meghan, including friends of mine in Richmond. And a couple in Williamsburg adopted one of the beagles and named them after me.
So it's -- I've never had a dog named after me before, so it was -- it's been an amazing rescue. Let's be humane.
ACOSTA: Absolutely. And I have to say, Senator, I mean, I wanted to adopt one of these beagles when I saw this. But I already have my hands full with Duke, who is named after the JMU Dukes, I will note, which is my alma mater from the great commonwealth of Virginia. But there's little Duke right there.
Thanks so much for your work on that issue. Really appreciate it.
And thanks for spending some time to talk about it this evening. Appreciate it very much.
KAINE: For the audience, JMU is James Madison University in Harrisonburg, Virginia, and they are the Dukes and we're proud of them.
ACOSTA:: We are very proud of them, that's exactly right. All the Virginians knew who we were talking about, and a lot of people outside of Virginia as well.
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KAINE: It's our secret.
ACOSTA: All right, there you go.
Senator Kaine, thanks very much. We appreciate it.
And we'll be right back.
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ACOSTA: Across the United Kingdom, gun salutes for King Charles III are ringing out.
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ACOSTA: The 21-gun salutes began in the four countries that make up the island country, proclaiming the new monarch at Edinburgh Castle in Scotland, Cardiff Castle in Wales, Hillsborough Castle in Northern Ireland, and at the Tower of London in Hyde Park in England.
There have been touching tributes to the late queen, including this cartoon of her reuniting with her beloved Prince Philip. The caption, "Hello, again, Lilibet."
The Emmys are next weekend. "Succession," HBO dark comic drama about TV's most difunctional family, is looking to clean up with 25 nominations.
Here is CNN's Stephanie Elam with a preview.
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UNIDENTIFIED ACTOR: There's blood in the water. Shots are coming. STEPHANIE ELAM, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): From the ruthless --
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ELAM: -- to the hopeful --
UNIDENTIFIED ACTOR: I know this school is rough, but we make it.
ELAM: -- the Emmys are here ready to celebrate the best of the small screen.
UNIDENTIFIED ACTOR: All will be revealed.
ELAM: HBO and HBO Max lead the way with a whopping 140 nominations. Media empire drama "Succession" snagging 25 of those noms and acting nods for essentially the entire cast. HBO, like CNN, is part of Warner Media Discovery.
MICHAEL SCHNEIDER, TV EDITOR, "VARIETY": "Succession" is a show beloved in this industry partly because it parodies this industry so well.
ELAM: It may be a show to beat, don't count out newcomer "Yellow Jackets," or Netflix thrillers, "Stranger Things" and "Squid Game."
SCHNEIDER: There's a good change that squid game can sneak in and be the first non-English language show to ever win best drama. Keep an eye on some of the actors from that show as well.
ELAM: Like Korean actress, Jung Ho-yeon, who won a SAG Award for her portrayal in the survival drama.
JUNG HO-YEON, ACTOR: This is such an honor.
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ELAM: Looking to score again in the comedy category is Ted Lasso. Last year's big winner is up for 20 awards, including best lead actor who is also looking to repeat.
UNIDENTIFIED ACTOR: I need purpose.
ELAM: Hoping to stop Ted Lasso is HBO's "Barry."
And "Abbott Elementary." The surprise ABC hit has seven noms, including best comedy and lead actress for the show's creator.
UNIDENTIFIED CREATOR: It seems to have put a bit of life back into regular network tv.
SCHNEIDER: Because it is a rare broadcast hit in this day and age where everyone is talking about streaming and premium cable, "Abbott Elementary" is the perfect example of that. A breakout hit.
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UNIDENTIFIED ACTOR: What the hell is this?
ELAM: But the category to watch, some critics say, is limited series, with "Pam and Tommy," "Dope Sick," "Inventing Anna," "The Dropout" and "The White Lotus," all with multiple nominations.
MURRAY BARTLETT, ACTOR: Welcome to the White Lotus.
ELAM: Breakout star and acting nominee, Murray Bartlett, summing up the award season by --
BARTLETT: It's been pretty epic.
ELAM (on camera): The Emmys typically air on Sunday night, but since NBC already has "Sunday Night Football," the show is moving to Monday night -- Jim?
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ACOSTA: All right, I might be rooting for "White Lotus," everybody. I'm sorry.
But that's the news. Reporting from Washington, I'm Jim Acosta. I'll see you back here tomorrow at 4:00 p.m. Eastern.
Pamela Brown takes over the CNN NEWSROOM live after a quick break.
Good night.
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