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Task Force Recommends Screening Kids Eight And Older For Anxiety; Source: Trump Attorney Who Swore Classified Docs Had Been Returned Speaks With Federal Prosecutors; DOJ Faces Supreme Court Deadline Over Trump's Special Master Ask; National Archives Debunks Another Trump Claim About Predecessors, Classified Documents; Uvalde Schools Superintendent Retires Amid Shooting Fallout; NASA: Test Of Planetary Defense Technology Was Successful. Aired 2:30-3p ET

Aired October 11, 2022 - 14:30   ET

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VICTOR BLACKWELL, CNN HOST: For the first time, parents are being urged to screen their kids beginning at age 8 for anxiety. The U.S. Preventive Services Task Force, which made the recommendation, also urges screens for depression in kids 12 and up.

CNN medical correspondent, Dr. Tara Narula, is here with more.

This sounds like a significant recommendation. Give us the context.

DR. TARA NARULA, CNN MEDICAL ANALYST: It is. It's really a big step forward. And when you think about it, there's a couple reasons why it's so significant.

First of all, the CDC has numbers that show from 2016 to 2019 about 5.8 million children were diagnosed with anxiety. So the sheer numbers of kids in this country with anxiety, I mean, it's massive.

In addition to that, when you think about the time it takes for a child to typically get diagnosed, it's about 11 years. Even though many of these disorders are presenting in childhood.

That's 11 years of kids potentially getting misdiagnosed, suffering, being in distress.

It also sets them up for future anxiety and depression as an adult, for substance use disorders, chronic health conditions and premature mortality.

So it is really important to really capture these kids early, hopefully, by screening and get them effective treatment, get them on a path towards better wellbeing.

So the recommendations basically said that primary care providers should be screening kids who are 8 to 18 for anxiety. These are kids who do not have symptoMs. They did not find evidence to recommend screening those kids who were

under 8, although many kids can actually present with signs or symptoms earlier, even as early as 4 or 5 years old.

They continued their recommendation from 2016, screening kids 12 to 18 for depressive disorder. They did not find enough evidence, as they did not find in 2014, to screen for suicide in those kids who did not show any symptoms and did not mention any specific screening intervals.

Really a big, big step forward in helping children who suffer with anxiety.

BLACKWELL: What does screening for anxiety look like?

NARULA: Well, I think the first thing really is this has to be on the radar of primary care doctors. Making them pay attention to things like risk factors.

Is there a family history. Sometimes this can be genetic. Was the child exposed to maltreatment? Was there interparental conflict? Other things that may set them up for anxiety?

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Are they in the older population, 12 to 17, part of the LGBTQ community? Those are also groups increased risk.

Then there are tools. There are screening tools that exist. One that is used pretty often is caused "Scared." That one is 41 questions. The parents take it. The kids take it. Takes about 10 minutes.

And through those questions -- and you can see some of those there -- then we can get an idea if a child scores over 25 they may have anxiety.

And at that point, they would be referred for real diagnostic evaluation and potentially hooked up for treatment, whether that's with medication or with therapy, usually cognitive behavioral therapy.

But you can easily see from those questions how kids could get missed because a lot of the complaints are things like stomachache, headaches, I feel nervous or worried.

BLACKWELL: They could be symptoms of other things. When you put them together, you get a clear picture.

NARULA: Right.

BLACKWELL: Dr. Tara Narula, thank you.

NARULA: Thank you.

BLACKWELL: More than a third of U.S. counties are considered "maternity care deserts." That's according to a new report. And that is creating risks for women and their babies. The new report from March of Dimes says there's less access to

maternity care today than there was two years ago. And the report says the problem is now reaching critical levels.

CNN health reporter, Jacqueline Howard, is with us now.

So, why are we seeing now more maternity care deserts across the country?

JACQUELINE HOWARD, CNN HEALTH REPORTER: Victor, there are many factors at play here, but this new report from March of Dimes points to how we have seen more hospital closures.

The maternity care dessert is a county where there are no hospitals or birth centers offering obstetric services and county without any obstetric providers.

And in total, among all U.S. counties, 36 percent have been designated maternity care deserts, as you see here on this map.

Many are in the Midwest and in the south. Two and three are rural counties. And more than 2.2 million women of childbearing age, ages 15 to 44, live in a maternity care desert.

Now, I spoke with the March of Dimes CEO and president about this, Stacey Stewart. Here is what she had to say.

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STACEY STEWART, CEO & PRESIDENT, MARCH OF DIMES: Today, the U.S. is considered, among all highly industrialized countries, one of the most dangerous developed nations in the world in which to give birth.

And part of the problem with that and part of the reason for that is because of these huge gaps in access to care, where women are having to travel 40, 50, 60 miles just for prenatal visit or to have their babies.

We can all imagine how dangerous that can be sometimes for those women living in those areas.

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HOWARD: So we heard her say there, Victor, as we see this increase in maternity care deserts, she says the U.S. is one of the most dangerous developed nations in the world to give birth -- Victor?

BLACKWELL: Wow. Jacqueline Howard, thank you.

The Department of Justice is up against another deadline to respond to Donald Trump's request to get the Supreme Court involved in the classified documents case.

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[14:42:40] BLACKWELL: A source tells CNN that federal prosecutors have interviewed Trump attorney, Christina Bobb, in recent days. Bobb is the lawyer who inaccurately attested that all classified material had been returned from Mar-a-Lago.

She was also there when the FBI searched that property in August and removed additional classified materials.

The DOJ says that 5:00 p.m. or they face 5:00 p.m. deadline today to respond to Donald Trump's request to get the Supreme Court involved in the classified documents case.

With me now, CNN senior legal analyst Elie Honig, former federal prosecutor.

Elie, good to see you.

What can these investigators -- federal prosecutors learn from Bobb considering the restraints of attorney/client privilege?

ELIE HONIG, CNN SENIOR LEGAL ANALYST: So, Victor, I think federal investigators are going to want to know who exactly made that statement, that all classified documents had been turned over to the government, knowing that it was false?

So as you said, Christina Bobb filled out this affirmation, a signed document, saying just that. Of course, that was false.

But she also says in the affirmation, "I base this on information I got from others." Well, first question for Christina Bobb, who were those others, and follow down the line.

You're right, there could be a complication because of attorney/client privilege because she was acting as an attorney certainly for Donald Trump.

However, it's important to know, there's an exception to attorney/client privilege for the crime fraud exception. If the conversations had to do with some sort of ongoing crime or fraud and misleading investigators certainly would qualify there.

BLACKWELL: Is that based upon the information provided to me stipulation protect her legally?

HONIG: Well, it's a little bit of a CYI language that lawyers often put in. But lawyers do that a lot of times when you're sending something into the court.

It's not because you know it firsthand. It's because you learned it from your client, you learned it from other investigation.

So I think the trick for investigators is we're going to have a little bit of a game of pointing down the line here. Each person in the chain of communications is going to say, well, so and so told me. Well, so and so told me. And the point is the object here for prosecutors and investigators is

to get to that person who made the statement that all documents had been turned over but knowing that that was not true.

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BLACKWELL: The National Archives is now debunking another one of the former president's claims about his predecessors and their handling of government documents, classified information.

Here is President Trump on President Bush.

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DONALD TRUMP, FORMER PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: George H.W. Bush took millions of documents to a former bowling alley and former Chinese restaurant where they combined them.

So they're in a bowling alley/Chinese restaurant. A Chinese restaurant and a bowling alley with no security and a broken front door.

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BLACKWELL: First of all, they should get the door fixed.

Second thing here is I don't even know, Elie, if there's a legal question here or if this is just the president going on again.

And the stuff he says outside of the courtroom, I guess it can make its way inside as we saw with the special master asking about some of his claims.

HONIG: So let me try to put a legal angle on it. First of all, any statement that Donald Trump makes out in public like this can be used against him eventually by prosecutors.

It's the warning: Anything you say can and will be used against you. Could show knowledge, could show a guilty conscience. Donald Trump seems to be trying to take the fact that every president leaves office with some personal effects and just sort of use it as an all-purpose excuse.

But the whole question here, is key issue, is are the documents at issue, in fact, personal property? Some of the items that were taken at Mar-a-Lago were personal property and are now being returned to Donald Trump.

But the problem for Trump is there are plenty of other documents, the classified records, which courts have already held were not his personal property. That's really the crux of the matter.

BLACKWELL: All right. Elie Honig, I appreciate you putting a legal spin on that. Thank you so much.

HONIG: Thanks. BLACKWELL: Let's go to Uvalde now. And the superintendent formally announcing his retirement. The reaction was mixed there. CNN was at that heated school board meeting. We've got details for you.

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BLACKWELL: Uvalde school district superintendent, Hal Harold, says he'll retire by the end of the academic year. Harold made the announcement yesterday after months of scrutiny over the response to the Robb Elementary School massacre that left 19 students and two teachers dead.

CNN reporter, Shimon Prokupecz, was outside that school board meeting. He has covered this for months.

An emotional night last night. What happened?

SHIMON PROKUPECZ, CNN CRIME & JUSTICE CORRESPONDENT: Yes, it certainly was, Victor.

One of the things that made this night so different was that the supporters, the community that is in support of the superintendent, Hal Harold, who has been part of this community, really for his entire life and has been with the school district for 31 years, really came out in force.

It really upset the family members. Because it sort of painted and showed us the racial divide in this community. The family members feeling that they have not been supported fully by members of the community.

You saw that last night when the people came out to support of Hal Harold outside the school board, cheering him on, clapping for him, hugging with him, as the grieving families of these kids that were killed on May 24th were sitting inside the school board, waiting, waiting for this meeting to begin.

We heard from one parent. But also we tried to question the superintendent about some of his decisions, about the hiring of that former officer who was under investigation.

Take a listen to what one of the family members and how they reacted to seeing all those community members outside. And then look at the supporters of the superintendent and how they reacted to us trying to question him.

Take a listen.

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BRETT CROSS, GUARDIAN OF UVALDE SHOOTING VICTIM UZIYAH GARCIA: If it had been 17 white kids, all of those people out there would have been in here.

All of our kids mattered. They all mattered. So, sir, I need your help reaching them, because they don't ever come in here.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It would be best if you all went somewhere else.

PROKUPECZ: What, sir?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: it would be best if you all went somewhere else.

PROKUPECZ: Why is that?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Because you're not welcome here.

PROKUPECZ: Tell that to the families killed inside that classroom.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The families can take care of themselves. They don't need outsiders.

PROKUPECZ: They don't need the help?

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PROKUPECZ: You think they can get the answers without help?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They will.

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PROKUPECZ: So, Victor, that was really the first time we have encountered that kind of hostility, certainly from anyone in the community. They were upset that we were trying to question the superintendent, as I said.

But really, it was about the families. The families were so upset over the support and the people who came out for the superintendent.

They were wondering, where have all these people been to support us since this happened? That was the theme last night -- Victor?

BLACKWELL: Yes, it really is the contrast between what happened inside that room and the back slapping and the hugs outside of the soon-to-be former superintendent. Striking.

Shimon Prokupecz, thank you.

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All right, we're just getting this into CNN. NASA says its mission to crash into an asteroid to change its direction was a success. We have details, next.

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BLACKWELL: Just moments ago, NASA gave an update on its historic dark mission. This is the one that intentionally crashed a spacecraft into an asteroid last month. The mission is supposed to help NASA determine if it can deflect space debris headed to earth.

CNN space and defense correspondent, Kristin Fisher, is with us now.

So what did NASA say?

KRISTIN FISHER, CNN SPACE & DEFENSE CORRESPONDENT: Well, Victor, we learned this was a huge success. We already knew that NASA had successfully crashed the dark spacecraft into that asteroid. We knew it hit its their target.

But, Victor, the big question has been, was that spacecraft able to successfully move the asteroid off its current orbit?

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And we just learned moments ago from NASA at a press conference that the answer is yes. For the first time ever, Victor, humanity has been able to successfully change a celestial body out there in the universe, which is so wild when you think about it.

Here's by how much. Before the impact, that asteroid orbited a larger asteroid every 11 hours and 55 minutes.