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LYNDA KINKADE, CNN INTERNATIONAL ANCHOR: Hello, I'm Lynda Kinkade. Ahead on CNN NEWSROOM.
Ukraine assesses the damage from Monday's barrage of missile strikes across the country as Russia strikes again.
Also, gunfire used to break up crowds of protesters in Iran. A human rights group warns of violent crackdowns in the country.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE (through translator): I've never believed in French justice.
KINKADE: And 13 years after an Air France Flight crashed into the ocean killing everyone on board. Families is still waiting for justice. Some worry it will never come.
ANNOUNCER: Live from CNN Center, this is CNN NEWSROOM with Lynda Kinkade.
KINKADE: It is 9:00 a.m. in Ukraine where a new day is bringing new fears of more Russian missile strikes. The country's assessing the damage from the worst attacks since Vladimir Putin's forces invaded back in February.
Ukraine reports at least 19 people have been killed more than 100 others wounded. Many of the strikes like this one caught on video. And we're just learning that one person has been killed in a new missile strike in Zaporizhzhia. Ukrainian armed forces claim Russia launched more than 84 cruise missiles. More than half were neutralized by its defense systems. They strike just about every major city in Ukraine, including the capitol Kyiv.
Russian forces taking aim at civilian infrastructure with bridges, residential buildings, power plants, even a playground among the targets. Russian President Vladimir Putin is vowing more strikes revenge for what he called a terrorist attack on a key bridge between Russia and the occupied territory of Crimea. Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy says his people will not be intimidated.
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VOLODYMYR ZELENSKYY, UKRAINIAN PRESIDENT (through translator): The occupiers cannot oppose us on the battlefield. And that is why they resort to this tear. Well, let's make the battlefield even more painful for the enemy. And we will restore everything that was destroyed.
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KINKADE: While the Russian missile and airstrikes brought harsh condemnation from Ukraine's allies. U.S. President Joe Biden promising to provide Kyiv with advanced air defense systems. More on the attacks now from CNN's Nick Paton Walsh.
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NICK PATON WALSH, CNN INTERNATIONAL SECURITY EDITOR (voice over): This was the day the war came back to all of Ukraine. The capital Kyiv, like many cities for months, edging towards a normal hit by multiple missiles strikes. Carnage at rush hour, central streets hit. The target, unclear. The aim utter horror. Over 100 missiles and drones. The civilian death toll rising along with global fury that there was nothing the Kremlin would not hit.
Even this Kyiv walkway to save face from endless losses and the weekend blast that hit another bridge between Russia and Crimea. Russian President Vladimir Putin gloating at his precision strikes disconnected it seems from who really gets hurt in this war, yet promising more ahead, if Ukraine replied.
In terms of the further act of terrorism or territory of Russia, he said, the Russian reply will be harsh and corresponding to the level of threat to the Russian Federation. I have no doubt about it.
For a few hours this morning, almost all of Ukraine cities seemed under attack. The bus next to this crater caught by one of two missiles, critically injuring five.
WALSH (on camera): Well, you can see the utter ferocity of the explosion here by the hole, one of the two rockets made, but it's also a curious question as to why this was indeed the target. It seems like this telecoms facility was unused at the time it was struck, but also to the callous disregard for human life being shown. All these apartment blocks just within the blast radius.
WALSH (voice over): This woman said she ran her two children back into the kitchen in the minutes between the two missiles. Homes here gone and winter ahead made worse by the power cuts the missiles caused.
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However faster recovery is?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: it is terrible. It is a crime against civilians.
WALSH: Anger here some fear. But also resilience echoed by Ukraine's president.
There are maybe temporary blackouts he said, but our confidence that competence and our victory will never have a blackout. Why these particular strikes? The enemy wants us to get scared, wants us to run. We can only run forward and demonstrate that at the battlefield.
Russia's brutality was always unknown quantity. But Ukraine stubborn resistance still surprises. This day sharing a video of a soldier shooting down a missile with a shoulder launch rocket. A David who wants more advanced arms to defend itself from a weakened Goliath. A call that this rare and chilling moment of terror across the country will only amplify. Nick Paton Walsh, CNN, Dnipro, Ukraine.
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KINKADE: Well, Mr. Zelenskyy will address an emergency G7 meeting in the day ahead. U.S. President Joe Biden will also take part in that video conference. And meanwhile at the U.N., Ukraine's ambassador denounced Russia as a terrorist state guilty of war crimes. U.N. delegates applauded Ukraine's ambassador but for Russia's envoy silence. Moscow's representative accused members of ganging up on Russia.
Take a listen to the British ambassador's response.
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BARBARA WOODSTOCK, U.K. AMBASSADOR TO THE U.N.: Putin is trying to take Ukraine's land, its resources, its identity. In doing so, he is overturning the most sacred principle in the international system, that borders cannot be drawn by force.
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KINKADE: CNN's Salma Abdelaziz is following the developments live this hour. Joining us from London. Good to have you with us, Salma. So, we've certainly heard from the U.S. and other Ukrainian allies that Russia will pay for this aggression and that Putin will be held accountable for the atrocities, the war crimes. Just take us through the rest of the global reaction.
SALMA ABDELAZIZ, CNN REPORTER: Absolutely. It's been about 24 hours now since Ukraine woke up to dozens of missiles landing across multiple cities. This wave of terror that really drew the whole of the country back into the war after parts had really seen some silence, some quiet, some semblance of normalcy for months now. And today is sort of the day of consequences. The blow back from that. We're expecting that emergency G7 meeting and yes, well, what we saw yesterday was a display of vengeance of retaliation, of strength from the Kremlin. It is in some ways also, Lynda, a demonstration of weakness. This does not change the facts on the battlefield. In fact, the U.K.'s top spy chief top intelligence officer is set to give a statement in just a few hours time where he's going to say exactly that.
He's going to say Russia is exhausted on the frontlines, its troops are running out of morale, and there are staggering defeats on the ground. But that doesn't change the reality yesterday that many families spent their morning huddled in bomb shelters. Take a listen to what the Ukrainian ambassador to the U.N. said about her experience.
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SERGIY KYSLYTSYA, UKRAINIAN AMBASSADOR TO THE U.N.: But my day has started almost 14 hours ago. It started 14 hours ago because my country was under attack. My immediate family was in a residential building under attack, unable to go to a bomb shelter because there was no electricity, because Russia has already killed some of my family members and we see no end to that cruelty.
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ABDELAZIZ: Now Russia claims, President Putin claims what he was targeting was military infrastructure, energy infrastructure, communications, towers across Ukraine. Ukrainian officials agree that one of those targets -- some of those targets were energy targets which caused blackouts across parts of the country. But by and large, what they're saying here is that civilians, indiscriminate attacks on civilians was the intention of the Kremlin.
Yesterday, you have 19 people killed in those attacks and dozens more wounded. But we go back to that question, Lynda, this does not change the reality on the battlefield. And that's why it's so concerning for Ukrainians because it is this fear that President Putin might switch tactics here.
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That the idea might be as it was early in the conflict to indiscriminately hit at civilian areas, impacting the morale of the country, creating the sense that there is no safe space in Ukraine. That's one of the issues that's going to be discussed at the G7 meeting today. You're absolutely going to hear from President Zelenskyy calling on his allies for greater air defense systems. Again, dozens of projectiles law launched yesterday, over half of them were taken out by Ukraine's air defense systems.
But you're going to hear President Zelenskyy saying, we can save more lives, if my Western allies give me more advanced weapons systems to try to take out these projectiles in the sky before they harm anyone. The last thing I'm going to bring up here, Lynda, this is an important issue as well that's going to play out today is the head of the International Atomic Energy Agency, he will be visiting Moscow today, he is working to try to resolve the issue of the Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Power Plant.
That's a nuclear power plant right on the frontlines controlled by Russia, one where the possibility of nuclear disaster has come up time and time again because missiles have been landing so close to it. So there's going to be an attempt here by the U.N. nuclear watchdog to try to create a security barrier around that nuclear power plant. We'll see if he's able to push Moscow on that. He was in Kyiv last week.
And then again, that G7 meeting with President Zelenskyy pleading for more help from his allies. Lynda.
KINKADE: So obviously, you mentioned that the International Atomic Energy chief is meeting with Vladimir Putin. What does he hope will come from that meeting? Given his cause for a safe zone around that Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Plant?
ABDELAZIZ: So this really started these efforts -- really started -- well, first of all months ago, of course. There's IAEA officials on the ground in Zaporizhzhya providing information. And what you need to know about this nuclear power plant is all the reactors have been shut down now since about September. I think it's been a few weeks now. But there are indications that one of those reactors could be brought back up.
And again, Zaporizhzhia, a city right along the front lines where we often see missiles, rockets landing right near that nuclear power plant. So last week, the IAEA chief was in Kyiv, he had discussions with President Zelenskyy with Ukrainian officials to push on that matter. But again, that nuclear power plant is occupied by Russia. It has been occupied by Russia since the beginning of the conflict.
So really, they hold the keys here in terms of trying to create a security zone around this nuclear power plant. So that will be the push today for the IAEA chief, is how do we create a sort of no go zone here right in the middle of a battlefield, right on the frontlines. We'll see what happens with Moscow. This is of course, a time of heightened tensions, Lynda, given the attacks yesterday.
KINKADE: Yes, certainly as we will be speaking to the Ukrainian -- former Ukrainian defense minister coming up shortly. Salma Abdelaziz in London, thanks very much.
Well, South Korea's president says North Korea has nothing to gain from nuclear weapons. That warning comes up to Pyongyang claimed that recent launches and other military drills were practice for "tactical nuclear strikes in South Korea." CNN's Will Ripley reports.
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WILL RIPLEY, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT (voice over): North Korea's missile testing blitz a staggering seven tests since September 25th. CNN's tally 25 launch events this year, and unprecedented barrage of ballistic and cruise missiles. Last week, North Korea's most powerful missile test since 2017, triggering a rare national emergency alert tensions skyrocketing to five-year highs. No mention of mass missile testing on North Korean state media until now. Breaking six months of silence Monday. Calling the testing binge practice for tactical nuclear strikes on South Korea.
ANDREI LANKOV, PROFESSOR, KOOKMIN UNIVERSITY: North Korean's final goal is sort of a fear. The (INAUDIBLE) wants to have full scale tactical and strategic nuclear weapons.
RIPLEY: A growing Arsenal experts say could be used as leverage to lift crippling sanctions. State media quoting leader Kim Jong-un, nuclear combat forces are fully ready to hit and wipe out South Korean targets including airports and potentially U.S. military bases. Threatening tens of thousands of American lives.
LEE SANG-YONG, STUDENT (through translator): I'm concerned that these continuous threats might take away our happy and safe life.
RIPLEY: Experts predict the most provocative test in half a decade may be imminent. The U.S. and allies monitoring a flurry of activity at North Korea's known nuclear test site. I traveled there in 2018 for a staged demolition. North Korea made the questionable claim all nuclear tunnels were destroyed. The secret of sight now apparently restored, ready for a seventh underground nuclear test.
Potentially pushing a rattle region and weary world back to the brink of nuclear crisis. Will Ripley, CNN, Taipei, Taiwan.
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KINKADE: The human rights group in Iran says security forces used live fire to break up anti-government protests over the weekend.
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KINKADE: You can hear what sounds like loud shots in the background. This happened in the Kurdish city of Sanandaj as violent clashes erupted between police and protesters. A part of an uproar across the realm of people have been demanding justice for a young woman who died after being detained by the country's morality police. CNN's Nada Bashir joins me now from London with more.
Nada, good to have you with us. So, four weeks into these protests. And with each week we've seen another life last is Iranian authorities continue to crush the dissent.
NADA BASHIR, CNN INTERNATIONAL REPORTER: Yes, absolutely, Lynda. And despite that violent crackdown, we are of course continuing to see these demonstrations popping up, up and down the country, widespread protests now engulfing much of the country, particularly in the northwestern Kurdish parts of the country in the city of Sanandaj. These (INAUDIBLE) dramatic video we've heard warnings from Iranian human rights groups as well as Amnesty International around the use of indiscriminate live fire and tear gas against peaceful protesters.
Now, we have seen violence at the hands of Iran to morality police. In the past, we've seen a significant violence at the hands of Iran's security forces over the course of these demonstrations. We're talking about the use of tear gas, metal pellets, beatings. And of course now as we're hearing live fire ammunition. And according to Hengaw, a Iranian human rights group based in the country at least five people now have been killed just since Saturday, including a seven-year-old child who died as a result of direct fire.
Now, of course, there -- it is difficult to understand ascertain the total death toll, it's pretty much impossible to verify without being on the ground. We're hearing in different accounts from government sources and from human rights groups as well as local journalists. But it is accepted that this is certainly in the dozens right now and hundreds of others injured. And we are continuing to see that demonstration as you mentioned there.
Led by women and then of course this has swelled and grown momentum. And we are seeing this really gaining the attention of people for widespread grievances across the country. Lynda?
KINKADE: All right. Nada Bashir for us in London. Thank you. Well, still to come. China tries to sour Taiwan's National Day with a show of force and a blunt message.
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KINKADE: Welcome back to CNN NEWSROOM. I'm Lynda Kincade.
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More now on our top story. The Russian missile attacks across Ukraine. Eergency services say 19 people were killed, 105 others injured. Well, joining me now is Andriy Zagorodnyuk. The former Ukrainian defense minister, now chairman of the Center for Defense Strategies and a Distinguished Fellow at the Atlantic Council. Thanks very much for joining us.
ANDRIY ZAGORODNYUK, CHAIRMAN, CENTER FOR DEFENSE STRATEGIES: Thank you.
KINKADE: So when Ukrainian forces destroyed Russia's only bridge to Crimea on Saturday, there were calls from prominent Russians for a fierce retaliation. Did anyone within Ukraine's Defense Forces see this communist barrage of missiles striking right across the country?
ZAGORODNYUK: Absolutely. We've seen this but not related to the Crimean bridge, but related to the general situation on the front line because Russia is showing this as a revelation for the British but in reality they've been -- they've been preparing for these attacks for some time ago. And it is related to substantial losses they have on the front line and substantial withdrawal of the forces from the number of regions.
So we cannot connect all what happened yesterday, just to one situation on one particular -- in one particular bridge, need to look wider on that.
KINKADE: Despite the fact that morale in the Russian military is low, despite the fact that Ukrainians have been able to push back and regain territory. These missile strikes certainly did demonstrate that Russia can still cause misery across the country. How does Ukraine tend to respond?
ZAGORODNYUK: We will respond in only possible way. We will be continuing our counter offensive and we will be liberating our villages and towns. Because that's all we need. We need -- we need to Ukraine to be free. What happened was the bridge which had a massive military meaning, because obviously it was a lifeline for the supplying of the Russian troops in the -- in Crimea which itself is used as a stage area to feed the forces on the south with the equipment, ammunition and additional manpower and so on.
So, all we do is continuing our campaign for liberating Ukraine with the -- with the military force.
KINKADE: U.S. President Biden spoke to your President Zelenskyy promising advanced air defenses. Any indication and when you expect to receive those and how much impact could they have? Because I understand the National Advanced Surface-to-Air Missile Systems already committed, could engage with his Russian cruise missiles.
ZAGORODNYUK: Yes, yes. So they can -- they can project some of the cities, particularly the ones which suffer the most from like almost daily attacks. Like everybody's talking, for example, about yesterday attack, because they've been visual on, you know, and everybody knows about them but just today, for example, Russians shoot at Zaporizhzhia again in the morning, so we need to understand that things like that happen daily.
Kharkiv been bombed dailies, Zaporizhzhia now is bombed daily. So these cities, we need to -- we need to protect as much as possible. And those systems will be very effective.
KINKADE: Yes. I mean, as you say, it's certainly Monday there were many attacks across those eight different regions. But of course, those attacks, especially on Zaporizhzhia continue.
ZAGORODNYUK: Yes.
KINKADE: Just -- this major attack we saw on Monday, there are across so many cities across Ukraine was the most expensive attack since the start of the invasion of Ukraine. And it came just days after Russia announced a new commander to the war in Ukraine, General Sergey Surovikin who, of course, has a reputation for being ruthless in the war in Syria. What do you know about him? And how do you think he'll shape what happens next?
ZAGORODNYUK: He has experience in Syria, but he has been commanding some substantial forces before. So obviously, he has some experience. But we don't think that fundamentally, the way Russia fight will change. And also the fact that they're brutal. They've been already pointing some brutal commanders before (INAUDIBLE) for example, which was a few months ago who also had some Syrian records and will also have -- was known for the bombing of the civilian quarters in Syria.
But we need to say that the general approach to bombing civilian infrastructure and energy infrastructure and civilian buildings is something which Russians has been doing for some time, just have to remind that they destroyed the whole city of Mariupol which at some point of time had 500,000 inhabitants. So, it's not something like radically new which we will see. Also Russian armies extremely hierarchical and extremely bureaucratic and centralized. So we will -- these are -- the principles on which spilled will remain because that's -- they will not be able to change it with one commander or two.
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It's something we've been built for years. So I think we will see continuation of the tactic which we see now. Perhaps some efficiency may be changed or improved but not dramatically.
KINKADE: Andriy Zagorodnyuk, we appreciate your time. We wish you all the very best.
ZAGORODNYUK: Thank you.
KINKADE: Well, could a war man to demonstrate Russia's power end up weakening its influence? Why regional allies are remaining neutral on Ukraine.
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KINKADE: A powerful and emotional moment inside a Kyiv subway station as residents seeking shelter from Russia's assault began singing the national anthem.
At least 19 people were killed and 105 injured and the attacks that rock several population centers, including the Capitol on Monday.
Russia unleashed dozens of missiles and air strikes in cities all across the country hitting civilian infrastructure and causing power outages. It came two days after damage to a bridge linking Crimea to Russia dealt a major blow to the Kremlin. Russian President Vladimir Putin has vowed more tax.
Well, now to signs this unpopular war is hurting Russia's standing within Central Asia. CNN's Ivan Watson joins us live from Hong Kong. Good to see you, Ivan. So Russia's reputation in the region it seems has been severely compromised at best. Tell us more.
IVAN WATSON, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Well, it certainly isn't doing anything to bolster Putin's image of strength when his military has faced so many defeats on the battlefield and has had to pull back from Ukrainian villages that has not impressed Putin's allies in the former Soviet Union. Former Soviet countries that share mutual defense treaties with Moscow who have been unenthusiastic to say the least about this destructive war of choice that Moscow has been waging against Ukraine.
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WATSON (voice over): On his 70th birthday, Russian President Vladimir Putin met with the leaders of other former Soviet republics, and he called for the resolution of conflicts that erupt in the region. Of course, Putin is directly responsible for launching the biggest war in recent history in this part of the world.
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WATSON: Russia's invasion of Ukraine was aimed at reasserting Moscow's control of part of the former Soviet Union. Instead, this increasingly disastrous war as weekend Russia's influence across the region, including here in Central Asia.
KADYR TOKTOGULOV, FORME KYRGYZSTAN AMBASSADOR TO U.S.: Unless something changes dramatically and Russia rebounds, we will see Russia's role certainly diminishing in Central Asia for sure.
WATSON (voiceover): Kadyr Toktogulov is a former ambassador to Washington from Kyrgyzstan, a small former soviet republic close economic and security ties to Moscow.
TOKTOGULOV: To see, you know, this kind of attack by Russia against Ukraine was certainly disorienting, because it sort of showed the things, terrible things that Russia is capable of.
WATSON (voiceover): Of the leaders of the former soviet republics, only Aleksandr Lukashenko of Belarus has publicly supported Russia's war on Ukraine. Russia conducts joint military exercises with each other for mutual defense treaty allies. But when it comes to the Ukraine war, they have all stayed publicly neutral, and that includes Kazakhstan.
In January, the authorities here use deadly force to crush a violent uprising that left dozens dead. Moscow answered an urgent call for help from the Kazakh government, leading a deployment of troops here on a brief peacekeeping mission.
WATSON: You can still see burn marks on some buildings after the violence last January. Russia came to the Kazakh's government help in its time of need, but the Kazakh president has made it clear he will not be getting involved in Moscow's war in Ukraine.
WATSON (voiceover): As Russia's military faces more and more setbacks in Ukraine, tensions have exploded in other areas long seen as Russia's backyard. Deadly fighting raged across the border between Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan in September.
Meanwhile, hundreds died in separate cross border clashes last month between Azerbaijan and Armenia. Moscow refused a call for military assistance from its treaty ally Armenia. And now, the Armenian government is working with the European Union to negotiate a settlement. Moscow is on the back foot due to its destructive war of choice, and that's leaving a growing power vacuum across the former Soviet Union.
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WATSON (on camera): Lynda, there are six members of the collective security treaty organization, this Russian-led group that was founded amid the ashes of the former Soviet Union. These six members were supposed to be conducting joint military exercises in Kyrgyzstan this week, but the Kyrgyz government, the eve of the exercises canceled hosting them.
Angry about the cross-border fighting, the deadly cross border fighting with Tajikistan that took place last month. Angry that a fellow member of the same treaty organization would come to blows with it, resulting in the death of dozens of civilians. And this is just one example of how there is disorder in Russia's backyard, and that its image is being hurt right now as a guarantor of peace and security in this wide chunk of territory that was once part of the former Soviet Union. Lynda?
KINKADE: Interesting story. Ivan Watson for us in Hong Kong. Thanks so much.
A not-so-subtle message from China to Taiwan, as the self-ruled island celebrated its National Day, Taiwan's defense ministry says, Beijing sent dozens of military aircraft to the surrounding region, along with several naval ships. Taiwan says it monitored the situation and mobilized some of its own forces. CNN's Selina Wang reports.
SELINA WANG, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Taiwan celebrated its National Day on Monday in a ceremony marking 111 years after the revolution that led to the collapse of China's last imperial dynasty. There was music and festivities in Taipei and a speech from Taiwan's president, calling on Mainland China to respect the island's sovereignty.
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TSAI ING-WEN, TAIWAN PRESIDENT (through translator): The broadest consensus between the Taiwanese people and our various political parties is that we must defend our national sovereignty and our free democratic way of life. On this point, we have no room for compromise.
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WANG: Beijing has already pushed back on that, reiterating that it sees Taiwan as, "An inseparable part of China's territory". Even though the Chinese communist party has never controlled Taiwan, the communist party sees Taiwan, which is a democratically ruled island of 23 million people.
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CCP sees that as a breakaway province that must be reunified with the Mainland, even by force if necessary. Taiwan being a part of China's is core to the communist party 's DNA. Following the visit of U.S. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi to Taiwan in August, China has stepped up military pressure tactics on the island.
On Monday, the Taiwanese defense ministry said 26 Chinese military aircraft and four naval vessels have been detected in the surrounding region. This speech from Taiwan's president also comes just days before Beijing is set to begin its party Congress, where Chinese leader Xi Jinping is expected to be reanointed for an unprecedented third term.
The big question is whether Xi Jinping will give more details about Beijing's plan to reunify with Taiwan at this party Congress. Analysts say Taiwan will likely face increasing pressure from Beijing as Xi Jinping further consolidates his power. Selina Wang, CNN, Hong Kong.
KINKADE: Well, they have waited 13 years for the trial of Air France and Airbus after a deadly plane crash in 2009. Now, families and friends of the victims are finally hoping to get justice. We hear from a devastated father when we come back.
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NELSON MARINHO, VICTIM'S FATHER (through translator): 13 years have passed, there have been accidents in which trials have lasted up to 20 years because people withdraw. But my case, I will only withdraw when I die. That's what I promised my son.
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KINKADE: Anger and frustration from the father of an Air France Flight 447 victim, his son was on a plane crash in 2009, killing everyone on board. On Monday, a historic manslaughter trial began for the French airline and plane manufacture Airbus. This parent is skeptical on whether he will get justice.
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MARINHO (through translator): I've never believed in French justice, as the French government is very corporate. They preserve their property, so I do not trust them.
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KINKADE: Air France and Airbus have been charged with involuntary manslaughter, but many victims' families are upset that the maximum fine companies will face, if convicted, is only around $220,000 each. CNN's Jim Bittermann reports from Paris.
JIM BITTERMANN, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: 13 years after a crash that killed 228 people, two giants of French aviation, Airbus and Air France, are back in court, charged with involuntary manslaughter. They already were put under judicial investigation in 2011, but the charges were dismissed in 2019.
Now though, the families and friends of those who died on Air France Flight 447 traveling from Rio De Janeiro to Paris pressured prosecutors to take up the case once again.
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In order, they hope, to put the blame on the two companies, rather than the two pilots who are now dead.
After years of ocean searches and analysis of the flight recorders, the BEA, the French agency which investigates air crashes, concluded the accident occurred because an airspeed sensor failure that had occurred on the same type of aircraft before. And because the pilots incorrectly handled the situation which evolved, the plane, in the case, maintained that the sensor problem should have been corrected and that the pilots should have been trained how to handle such circumstances.
The vice president of an association which represents the families of the victims, and who lost his brother in the crash, said that this is the first time that the families will be able to confront the two companies directly.
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PHILIPPE LINGUET, VICE PRESIDENT, VICTIMS ASSOCIATION: I will say to them that they need to have some empathy with or to us. They need to understand our feeling. When we lose 228 passengers, they are stealing hearts. We need them to meet us. And we will never forget them.
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BITTERMANN: Airbus and Air France deny any responsibility for the crash, and say that charges against them should be dropped. With nearly 500 interested parties taking part in the trial, it's expected it will last until early December. Jim Bittermann, CNN, Paris.
KINKADE: Our thanks to Jim.
Well, Britain's finance minister could make Halloween even scarier for investors with a new budget planned to be released October 31st, three weeks ahead of schedule. The plan is expected to reveal how the government of Prime Minister Liz Truss will pay for almost $50 billion in unfunded tax cuts. It will come up three days before the Bank of England's next interest rate decision.
Investors hoping for clarity after the previous budget plans torpedoed the markets that prompted the Bank of England to take emergency action, purchasing tens of billions of dollars-worth of government debt to avoid a total meltdown.
The Nobel Prize in economics has been awarded to former federal reserve chairman Ben Bernanke, Douglas Diamond, and Philip Dybvig for their research on banks and financial crisis. The three U.S. economists were recognized for their work in the early 1980s which provided a greater understanding of why banks are need and how they collapse classy can fuel financial meltdowns.
Bernanke who led the U.S. Central Bank during the 2008 global financial crisis, received the award for his research on the great depression. His worked showed that bank runs were a decisive reason that crisis became so severe and entrenched. Here's more from the Nobel Prize winner.
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BEN BERNANKE, NOBEL PRIZE WINNER FOR ECONOMICS: People didn't think of the financial system as being an important part of the business cycle, an important part of what is driving the economy. But what I argued, and what the -- this paper introduced or at least highlighted, was the idea that developments in financial system can have important macroeconomic effects.
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KINKADE: Well, Bernanke is now a senior fellow at the Brookings Institution. Diamond is a professor at the University of Chicago. And the Dybvig works at Washington University.
And thanks so much for joining us. I'm Lynda Kinkade. Good to have your company. World Sport is coming up next. But I'll be back in about 15 minutes with much more on CNN Newsroom. Stay with us.
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COATES: You're not going to say Georgia, are you?
DUNCAN: Georgia did it in 2022. In the midst of all the chaos going on in Georgia, we bipartisan unanimously passed the bill because we wanted to work together.
CAMEROTA: I have a question about that, do you think that crime is one of the top of the priorities for Georgia voters right now that will drive them to the polls in five weeks?
DUNCAN: I watched Atlanta single-handedly fall apart in a matter of nights. When we made this -- when the Democratic administration in the city of Atlanta made this notion that de-funding the police was going to be the operating standard, over 500 police officers melted away to the suburbs almost immediately. They weren't being supported. It's going to take a decade plus to bring those officers back and to take that crime back off the streets.
COATES: Well, you know, when you think about -- you're saying Democrats. And I know we all paint things in broad strokes but the Democrat, the president of the United States, Joe Biden, is not in support of de-funding the police.
BEGALA: Right.
COATES: He's been very adamant about that. My own home state of Minnesota, you know, it was a city council was talking about the issue but it wasn't as broadly felt among every voter, as you know the mission's (ph) failed. So, I wonder, is that part of a talking point in the sense of this is what Democrats want to do as a slogan as opposed to addressing crime? Because both can't necessarily be true.
DUNCAN: Crime is local. To deal with crime, you got to deal with it on the local level. I don't think you can make any sort of federal. You can talk about it --
LOVE: But the problem is --
DUNCAN: -- and pontificate about it.
LOVE: -- it's being politicized instead of actually being fixed. I'm listening to Paul with all of these different ideas of how we actually fix the problem and save lives.
When I was a mayor, we decided that police officers, we are going to start a police department and we needed our police officers to live in the community. To actually go to church, go to parks, go to the same grocery store.
Yet, when somebody, like a police officer has power over people, has a weapon, they have to. When they're policing somebody, they need to picture that person. It's a person that's -- it could be their own mother. It could be in their own brother --
COATES: Sure, and the best do.
LOVE: -- their own child.
COATES: Sure.
LOVE: But you -- I want young black men to have the opportunity to be police officers in their own communities, so they can look at somebody that lives in their community and says, you know, I want to help you. Tommy, you need to go home. I'm going to take you. I know your mama. I know your --
COATES: Well, here's -- but one thing, Mia, I don't want to cut you off. But this is one of the issues I have with the Tuberville clip we played in part, right? Which is the idea of the conflation of crime with black people and the reparations aspect of it. And I think too often part of the -- part of an argument that is failing collectively in our country, is this notion that when we are talking about being tough on crime, we automatically -- and this is not entirely what you're doing. I'm not saying that.
We're being tough on crime the conversation is about making sure black people see themselves and officers in a community. When a whole host of crimes are not committed by people of color broadly, I guess, look at this personality of it. So, why is the message always going back for Democrat strategist to the notion of crime and the inner section of race exclusively? Why isn't it more broad?
BEGALA: Well, IT needs to be more broad. The majority of criminals in this country are white.
CAMEROTA: Tell that to Tommy Tuberville.
BEGALA: Do you every hear that --
CAMEROTA: Tell that to Tommy Tuberville. I mean --
BEGALA: By the way, Tommy Tuberville helps run a state, Alabama, that has the fourth highest murder rate of all 50 States. He needs to shut the hell up with his racist off and go home and fight crime for real.
CAMEROTA: Honestly, I'm even reluctant to play what he said because it's so odious. And --
LOVE: I listened to it --
CAMEROTA: Yes.
LOVE: -- over and over again, and I kept saying, who is they? Who is he talking about. It's just -- it was just --
DUNCAN: I was confused. I listened to it three or four times today.
CAMEROTA: Yes, it's incomprehensible.
DUNCAN: I was just confused as to what point he was trying to make. And I think -- and interesting -- you know, somebody to walk up to you and rob and ask you if you're a Democrat or Republican or care about your race. If they do, it's a hate crime. And in Georgia, you get -- there's a -- there's an even stiffer penalty for it. People are -- crime is crime. And we need to work together in a bipartisan manner to solve --
LOVE: Crime is an issue.
DUNCAN: -- the issue.
LOVE: It is an issue and --
BEGALA: But Democrats have to have the courage to lean into it and not listen to Republican talking points. They all say, oh, this city is -- guess what? Kevin McCarthy is from Bakersville, California. Its murder rate is twice the murder rate of San Francisco, Nancy Pelosi's hometown.
CAMEROTA: And who should be saying that?
BEGALA: I should. Nancy Pelosi should, every democrat should. By the way, Lexington, Kentucky in Mitch McConnell's home state, twice the murder rate of New York City where we're sitting right now, per capital. Why are democrats leaning into it? They shouldn't be afraid. No one wants --
COATES: Is there a reason? I mean, answer the question. Is there a reason? I mean, it's rhetorical but why isn't that brought up? Is it because it's not a winning field like a tit-for-tat failed whataboutism? Is that why it's not being said because I don't think don't -- they don't know those statistics. They don't know that data point. BEGALA: I think that too many Democrats are too elitists and not in touch with people on the streets. Well, who Bill Clinton -- just go walking around folks, OK. In Minneapolis, the African American wards rejected de-funding the police way more than the white boards did. Why don't elites know that? Because of a bunch of white elites which are kind of -- you know, I'm sorry I love my party.
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But there's too many people in the faculty lounge, too few people in the factory floor, right. I think my elites got to get back in touch with those walking around folks. By the way, I will give him credit, Joe Biden has always been one of those guys. He has great credibility in the communities because he's actually walked the walk.
COATES: Easy for a man to walk around in five-inch heels.
CAMEROTA: And let's be honest President Biden takes the train. He doesn't actually walk. He takes the Amtrak, every day, that's what he does.
COATES: Back and forth.
CAMEROTA: Yes, exactly.
LOVE: But I mean, we're -- I mean, just --
CAMEROTA: Yes, take it away.
LOVE: -- just yesterday, I mean, Lee Zeldin, who's running for governor of New York, actually had a scare at his own home. And he says, the crime has actually hit our front porch. And his two kids ran upstairs, lock themselves in the bathroom.
CAMEROTA: Yes, I mean, it's scary.
LOVE: It's really scary.
CAMEROTA: But when you look at the stats, the issue is that burglary is up but violent crime in a place like New York is down but you don't have that feeling. So, the people -- you know, when you're riding the subway and everything, there's a feeling that crime is up. And it does take people to spell it out, the way you did publish you're always good at. Thank you so much for all that of that.
LOVE: Stop politicizing it and do something about.
CAMEROTA: Right.
BEGALA: Just look at facts. Look at data.
CAMEROTA: OK. Friends, thank you very much. We have a lot more to talk about tonight. We want to know what you think, also on everything from crime to Herschel Walker to Kanye's Twitter account being locked over an antisemitic tweet. We haven't even gotten to that story yet. And anything else on your mind tonight, you can tweet us @AlisynCamerota and @thelauracoates.
All right. Also next, it's World Mental Health Day. And we will talk to you about what you can do, it's like your mental health toolkit and its easy stuff to do. We'll talk about that when we come back.
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CAMEROTA: Tonight, we're marking World Mental Health Day aimed at raising awareness of mental health issues and providing people with information to find the help that they may need. So, mental health, of course, is on everyone's mind. That can be very challenging two years that we've just had.
COATES: I mean, it's absolutely true. A recent CNN and Kaiser Family Foundation survey found, Alisyn, one in five Americans have experienced a mental health challenge recently.
CAMEROTA: Uh-huh. I'm not surprised.
COATES: And also, 90 percent of people survey that said the country is in a mental health crisis 90 percent.
CAMEROTA: Yes, I was surprised at how high that number is.
COATES: 90 percent. I mean, what, can you do to take care of yourself or maybe to help a loved one.
CAMEROTA: There are some simple mental health tips that we'll share with you. So, exercise, get enough sleep, everybody feels better after they have enough sleep. Have a healthy diet. Practice gratitude. This is a really good one. I do think that a gratitude journal does really help your mental health. It sounds corny but it really does. And then check in with your friends. Make sure they're OK and practice random acts of kindness. That's from the National Institute of Mental Health.
COATES: It's so important to think about that. But also, we don't want anyone to think that we are downplaying or think that all things can be solved with a couple of tips. Everyone needs to know what's best for them and reach out for the help that you need. It's not enough just to simply get the number we're going to give. Make sure we're connected as a society with people as well. And you never know what someone else is going through. The Suicide and Crisis Lifeline dial 988 or chat at 988lifeline.org. It's really important.
CAMEROTA: OK. Meanwhile, it's debate night. Tim Ryan is facing off with JD Vance. And things have gotten testy, we're going to explain all of that right after this.
COATES: The testy part?
CAMEROTA: Yes.
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